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Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« on: September 06, 2016, 05:43:38 PM »
How long does it take for methadone withdraw to kick in? I was an everyday user for several months then I ended up dosing only three times a week, and going up to 4 or 5 days between a dose at times without noticing the terrible withdraws I hear about. Highest at 100mg, which up untill the past two months or so was only at 40. Still only dosing about two times a week with 4 or 5 days in between, and more uncommonly three times a week with two-three days in between.

For about 4 months I went everyday. Then I went only 3 days a week, sometimes just two days a week, for about 5 more months. I always end up going back to the clinic after about 5 or 6 days but I don't really notice any withdrawals . I'll get cold/hot sweats for the second and third day but that's about it. At 5 days I might loose some sleep. That's it. For the longest time, 5 months, of going through withdrawal so much I feel like maybe I broke through the other side and I just don't experience withdrawal like everyone else. I hardly dose anymore, twice or three times at most, with like I said about 5 days in between. You think following along with everybody else's withdrawal experience will not be accurate because of my current situation?
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2016, 05:54:10 PM »
I suspect that your 'mileage' is very low and you are an extremely slow metaboliser.

I start withdrawing even before 24 hours is up when on maintenance but others tell me they can dose every second day if they have to.

It's elimination half life is supposed to be between 8-59 hours so you may be sitting at the extreme end and then some ... that would make you a bit freakish but in a good way.

why not paint us a picture of your previous opiate usage ?

are you also taking another opiate, potentiator or some benzos ? please tell us what you take, when and for how long.

I eagerly await your reply.
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2016, 06:06:03 PM »
Yea, im curious too! Also very jealous!  :D
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2016, 06:06:24 PM »
I haven't taken anything else since I started the program, about 9 or so months ago.

Before then, for several years I was taking around 150my oxy a day. or 200mg of Norco's or percocets. or roughly 150-200mg of morphine a day. I don't take anything. Haven't since I started the MMT program. I guess...coffee is all I take .
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2016, 06:11:33 PM »
OK then ... why not stop completely, wait 3 days and then see what happens without dosing at all ?

It's just not likely that you're the one guy who is immune. Are you OK to try that ? I don't want you to get kicked off the program or anything.

What does your doctor say about this ?
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2016, 06:18:25 PM »
Ive known maybe 2or3 different guys that could use for weeks or a month or 2, then just stop and go on with their life.  Then pick up after a month and stop just like that again.  Would have some minor discomfort, but could just go to work, and whatnot with no sub or anything.

Very odd, but ive seen it by just a cpl people.  The one guy went to rehab, was in the detox area for one day, then after about a week, they sent him home saying they didnt think he had a problem that needed inpatient rehab
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2016, 06:21:32 PM »
This is me stopping completely.

My last dose was Friday, and it was only 40mg. I dosed Monday and Friday, last week. I only got 40 mg each day, instead of the 200 I've been used to, and the 300mg I was used to on Friday.

I did notice the withdrawal symptoms ( which were not mild ) upon coming down to 40mg instead of 200, and 300, which took place for about a week two months ago. Since then I have been fine being where I'm at. I'm used to going almost a week between doses at much higher doses so when I jumped down to 40 I don't notice any withdrawals until the second day where I feel a little cold/hot for a few hours off and on, then it stops. I can not tell anything today ( which is as to be expected ). I know tomorrow will be the same. Up until Wednesday I will not feel any type of withdrawal. I do not know after that because I can only miss a certain amount of days a week and I never go past Wednesday when starting at the clinic for the week.

This week I will. I just know most people go a few hours the day of missing a dose ( while dosing much higher than I) and they go into complete WD. I feel like a freak.
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2016, 06:24:08 PM »
Ive known maybe 2or3 different guys that could use for weeks or a month or 2, then just stop and go on with their life.  Then pick up after a month and stop just like that again.  Would have some minor discomfort, but could just go to work, and whatnot with no sub or anything.

Very odd, but ive seen it by just a cpl people.  The one guy went to rehab, was in the detox area for one day, then after about a week, they sent him home saying they didnt think he had a problem that needed inpatient rehab

I know some people like me. Heavy opiate abusers who get off easy as far as withdrawal goes. Oddly, two members in my family ( both male ) were at one time heavy opiate abusers. One could detox with little to no discomfort, the other would put himself in the ER almost every time. And I used with them, so I witnessed everything from them using their last stuff to the days after when they were going through withdrawals to the weeks after.
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2016, 06:27:07 PM »
Consider yourself very fortunate indeed.

I still don't think you'll always get a free pass so if you really want to avoid inevitable misery, try to stay opiate free forever. Is that the plan ?

It would be a nice and opportune time to do so and save a lifetime of said misery.
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2016, 06:34:52 PM »
IF I get away unscathed then yes. I will remain opiate free, forever.

If I DON'T, I'll remain opiate free, forever.

I'm really , really hoping I'm not fucking myself.

I start work at a brand new job next Monday. I'm worried I'll think "Oh I'm going to be just fine! No Withdrawals!" up until the point where I miss too many days at the clinic and end up in full blown mega crazy super scary withdrawals that Monday morning. Which would be about 10 or 11 days since my last dose.
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2016, 06:51:57 PM »
I really hope that you can learn from our collective mistakes as I can honestly say that my whole opiate trip wasn't worth the problems it created.

Excellent news to hear this but you are cutting it mighty fine by expecting to walk into a job straight away.

I would sincerely recommend deferring your start date until you know that you are clear, can you do that ?

10-11 days sounds fine but all my own experiences tell me that you may still suffer some sort of delayed cessation symptoms.

It's just such an odd situation ... yeah, try to have some cover story if the shit does hit the fan.

Good luck with this and your new job. You are making such a life changing decision and should be proud of yourself if you can pull this off.
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 07:04:32 PM »
My thoughts exactly...

I feel like I'm being incredibly naive about thinking at 11 days in I'll be able to just waltz in my new job, do a few cart-wheeles and start off on the good foot with the company.

I don't expect, truly I do not, expect to be able to be at 100% by the time my first day rolls around. I'm just hoping it's tolerable. I hope it's no so bad I pass out or can not do the work. I work maintenance at a plant. I don't have a clue how it's supposed to go.

Could you elaborate some on the "Delayed cessation symptoms"?
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2016, 07:17:49 PM »
upset stomach, sweating and chills, restlessness and general malaise. no sleep etc. If your sleep is deteriorating then start to worry but if it's stable or getting better then you're going to be ok.

Also monitor the size of your pupils and if you are getting only a few sneezes then you're probably at the end of it and ok.

How about keeping some spare Methadone around just in case ? -- that's a good idea even if you have to hustle for it. Just for peace of mind.
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2016, 08:19:03 PM »
No sneezes, period.

What about the pupils?

General Malaise is the main symptom I have that starts with the very second day. Along with the sweating and chills. They go away pretty swiftly, though.
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Re: Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2016, 08:41:09 PM »
But how is your sleep quality, depth and duration - is it improving or deteriorating ?

Sleep and temperature regulation have always been the longest to return to normality in me experience.

Are your pupils getting more dilated with each day or less (or stable, for good measure) ?

I assume that you are in peak physical condition and keep very fit, yes ? That's another major contributor towards faster rehabilitation.
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