Jumping off methadone without withdrawal . What's wrong with me

[Esoteric Anhydride]

You have the wrong idea here, son. <snip>

You get it now?

Check yourself junior, if you truly came here for help, you won't get far with that lippy bullshit.

Much of your posting implies significant ignorance and inexperience. If you want help from people who've been where you are; then you may want to try a little humility.

[tmitchell2818 (OP)]

Child,

Don't get upset over what I said. It's not a big deal.

I'm not looking for advice. Just making conversation.

You're welcome to keep yours to yourself if you're going to be over sensitive to things .

Take care.

[Snoop]

^Are you absolutely positive the kick isn't getting to ya man...?

Seem kinda quit to shoot...

And you're abrasive.

I dont know you... don't care to.

Good fucking luck.

You're most def gonna need it.

[Chip]

tmitchell2818, meet Chopstix, aka Chops, aka Opus, aka Esoteric Anhydride.

some friendly advice: he takes no prisoners -- he's very sensitive, long timer with a high mileage and vast drug/forum experience so my advice is to be nice and don't enter into disputes with him.

anyway, i hope you make it, it's sounding good for you.

you are one lucky mofo.

[tmitchell2818 (OP)]

He seems like any other prick to me. He's been a punk the entire time I've posted this and I don't feel I have any need or reason to treat him differently because of his disabilities.

If he has his batman-underoos in a wad, by all means help him get them untangled. I don't have the patience or the crayons to spell shit out for him, and if he wants to take things sensitively for no reason, then I wont loose any sleep over it nor will change who I am.

[Dopeless Hopefiend]

My sleep is fine. My pupils are normal. I didn't know pupils had any play with withdrawal?

??

Have you ever been in full-blown wd?

very very surprising to me to read about a dopefiend who doesn't get the pupil thing.

You've been using dope for how long? (my bad if I missed it, not fully awake yet)

I don't quite see how this is "being a punk" he asked a question and even said it was his bad if he missed it. Then you started in with all the condescending bullshit. Addressing a grown-ass man as child  & talking down to people like they are stupid is a pretty sure fire way to piss them off. And wtf is up with your last post? No one said anything about disabilities and you're still going on and on with that condescending shit. You're the one that sounds like a prick.

[Esoteric Anhydride]

lol reactionary much?

btw you suck as a troll, just thot I'd throw that out there.. I'd make a heavy bet you suck at a lot of things.

ps it's 'lose' not 'loose' -- you lose; opposed to like: your head is on too loose, so don't lose it; get it?

@Dopeless Hopefiend : it's pissed cos it's lying and it didn't fly so well. There's nfw this person knows dopesick but not about pupils in the context.

[CARNi]

@Esoteric Anhydride   I SWEAR TO GOODNESS I KNEW THE LOSE CORRECTION WAS COMING!!!  😧 lol I'm just glad you taking it easy on em. I'm sure if this keeps escalating that'll change for sure though...

Let's all just get along and back on topic friends!

[Chip]

So @tmitchell2818, how is it going for you ?

Are you OK?

[Poppy]

Probably  feeling a tad peaky and realising that Methadone is not a drug to mess with.
Maybe Im wrong and he's fine but if he really has been taking methadone in the quantities he claims then I'd be amazed if he'd got off Scott free.

[Esoteric Anhydride]

Probably  feeling a tad peaky and realising that Methadone is not a drug to mess with.
Maybe Im wrong and he's fine but if he really has been taking methadone in the quantities he claims then I'd be amazed if he'd got off Scott free.

It can take quite awhile to build up a proper jones, I first shot dope for a little over 6mos, multiple times a week to daily, before I started copping symptoms, and my first kick was a cakewalk compared to what I deal with now.

Could just be lack of exposure and OP hasn't ever been dopesick (would explain the ignorance of symptoms), could be naivete about another med covering wd, could be half-the-story and who fucking knows what the truth really is and someone just likes telling stories; could be a lot of things..

[Tainted]

Probably  feeling a tad peaky and realising that Methadone is not a drug to mess with.
Maybe Im wrong and he's fine but if he really has been taking methadone in the quantities he claims then I'd be amazed if he'd got off Scott free.

It can take quite awhile to build up a proper jones, I first shot dope for a little over 6mos, multiple times a week to daily, before I started copping symptoms, and my first kick was a cakewalk compared to what I deal with now.

Could just be lack of exposure and OP hasn't ever been dopesick (would explain the ignorance of symptoms), could be naivete about another med covering wd, could be half-the-story and who fucking knows what the truth really is and someone just likes telling stories; could be a lot of things..

length of habit really does make all the difference in the world. my habit can average way less than it ever did 10 years ago and 12 hours after my last opiate im sneezing so bad its causing me to gag/dry heave so bad i cant breath. i would trade anything to get back the withdrawals i used to get, they were atleast fuckin manangable. i didnt notice the pupil part of withdrawal for years either. my pupils have always gotten really pinned from getting high but when i detoxed they just looked normal. nowadays 24-36 hours without opiates and my pupils look like im tripping balls, theres literally no color left in my eye, all pupil, but it took years before i ever noticed that happening (and i would have noticed i was aware of that effect in other people)
back when i first started, i could get really really really high and because of the large amount i did, i wouldn't get sick at all the next day, or if i did it'd be really late like 10pm. now it doesnt matter how much i do/how high i got, i roll out of bed because im too sick to sleep any longer and if it takes too long to find a vein i start sneezing and puking and have to put my search on hold. how sick i get has changed DRASTICALLY with time and it doesn't seem to relate to the amount im using much at all

[Dopeless Hopefiend]

@Tainted I definitely found that to me true for me when I was using. Every kick was worse than all of the ones before. I can remember those early days getting high & still feeling loaded the next day. I remember my first kick too. I was in jail and at the time I felt like I was gonna die. Looking back 20 years later it's almost laughable how easy it was. If I'd only known then...Fuck, who am I kidding? If I'd known what was in store for me I probably would've done the same damn thing lol.

[Chip]

Every day even on maintenance makes it just a fraction harder.

You only learn it properly over time.

I always advise those starting out to quit while they can because tolerance always grows, not to be confused with a moral judgement.

I see plenty of much older people in the clinic and this is one classic example of it - get off while you can still handle it.

I wish my clinic allowed for 1 mg drops but the minimum is 2.5 so I'm back to putting away little bits for the final bit.

Getting under 20 mg of 'done is a bugger to handle for me.

[Dog Food]

You ever think about getting on dope for a week or two, then just kick the dope so its only bad for 4 days or so?  I did the maintenance thing with subs(just as long if not longer than done half life) and id feel like shit for weeks comimg off that long of a half life.  I could never las a week+ of wds without using.  This time i went to detox(week stay) with a half-whole gram/day habit and i felt well enough to get outta bed and ate by day 3-4. I honestly havent felt this good without any opiate for 10+ years since i started. God i needed an easy one. I still felt like shit 3weeks sober 3 or 4 years ago and relapsed the day i got out.

Imo, maintenance has its place in bringing stability to your life, but what ive heard was that only some small number like 2% ever gets off maintenance without relapsing.  Ill take 3 days of 100%wds over 2+weeks of ~70% wds.

[Chip]

Me ? I have stopped injecting and am far too scared of full on withdrawals although I do see the merit of your idea.

This will be my 4th or 5th taper and I know them well.

I also know that they get progressively harder so unfortunately I just have to wait it out and go slowly.

But the total amount of misery is a given and I choose the long way and I will do it - i don't want to be hitting the clinic in my 60's.

There are setbacks too, like attending a funeral made me feel extra crappy so I went backwards and hadon't a little extra.

Like I remind myself, life keeps getting in the way.

I just can't afford enough dope to cover me for at least 2 or 3 weeks whilst the Methadone works it's way out and I'd probably end up with a bigger habit as I know that I'd always have more than I need, I'd rather get oral Morphine but don't think I could get enough off the street or be able to afford it.

Thanks for trying to help though.