When should you shoot a cop??

[St. Theresa (OP)]

 When Should You Shoot a Cop?

This is my infamous "When Should You Shoot a Cop" article, as read by me. Let the emotional tantrums begin!
- by Larken Rose

That question, even without an answer, makes most “law-abiding taxpayers” go into knee-jerk conniptions. The indoctrinated masses all race to see who can be first, and loudest, to proclaim that it is NEVER okay to forcibly resist “law enforcement.” In doing so, they also inadvertently demonstrate why so much of human history has been plagued by tyranny and oppression.

In an ideal world, cops would do nothing except protect people from thieves and attackers, in which case shooting a cop would never be justified. In the real world, however, far more injustice, violence, torture, theft, and outright murder has been committed IN THE NAME of “law enforcement,” than has been committed in spite of it. To get a little perspective, try watching a documentary or two about some of the atrocities committed by the regimes of Stalin, or Lenin, or Chairman Mao, or Hitler, or Pol Pot, or any number of other tyrants in history. Pause the film when the jackboots are about to herd innocent people into cattle cars, or gun them down as they stand on the edge of a ditch, and THEN ask yourself the question, “When should you shoot a cop?” Keep in mind, the evils of those regimes were committed in the name of “law enforcement.” And as much as the statement may make people cringe, the history of the human race would have been a lot LESS gruesome if there had been a lot MORE “cop-killers” around to deal with the state mercenaries of those regimes.

People don’t mind when you point out the tyranny that has happened in other countries, but most have a hard time viewing their OWN “country,” their OWN
“government,” and their OWN “law enforcers,” in any sort of objective way. Having been trained to feel a blind loyalty to the ruling class of the particular piece of dirt they live on (a.k.a. “patriotism”), and having been trained to believe that obedience is a virtue, the idea of forcibly resisting “law enforcement” is simply unthinkable to many. Literally, they can’t even THINK about it. And humanity has suffered horribly because of it. It is a testament to the effectiveness of authoritarian indoctrination that literally billions of people throughout history have begged and screamed and cried in the face of authoritarian injustice and oppression, but only a tiny fraction have ever lifted a finger to actually try to STOP it.

Even when people can recognize tyranny and oppression, they still usually talk about “working within the system”–the same system that is responsible for the tyranny and oppression. People want to believe that ”the system” will, sooner or later, provide justice. The last thing they want to consider is that they should “illegally” resist–that if they want to achieve justice, they must become “criminals” and “terrorists,” which is what anyone who resists “legal” injustice is automatically
labelled. But history shows all too well that those who fight for freedom and justice almost always do so “illegally”–i.e., without the permission of the ruling class.

If politicians think that they have the right to impose any “law” they want, and cops have the attitude that, as long as it’s called “law,” they will enforce it, what is there to prevent complete tyranny? Not the consciences of the “law-makers” or their hired thugs, obviously. And not any election or petition to the politicians. When tyrants define what counts as “law,” then by definition it is up to the “law- breakers” to combat tyranny.

Pick any example of abuse of power, whether it is the fascist “war on drugs,” the police thuggery that has become so common, the random stops and searches now routinely carried out in the name of “security” (e.g., at airports, “border checkpoints” that aren’t even at the border, “sobriety checkpoints,” and so on), or anything else. Now ask yourself the uncomfortable question: If it’s wrong for cops to do these things, doesn’t that imply that the people have a right to RESIST such actions? Of course, state mercenaries don’t take kindly to being resisted, even non-violently. If you question their right to detain you, interrogate you, search you, invade your home, and so on, you are very likely to be tasered, physically assaulted, kidnapped, put in a cage, or shot. If a cop decides to treat you like livestock, whether he does it “legally” or not, you will usually have only two options: submit, or kill the cop. You can’t resist a cop ”just a little” and get away with it. He will always call in more of his fellow gang members, until you are subdued or dead.

Basic logic dictates that you either have an obligation to LET “law enforcers” have their way with you, or you have the right to STOP them from doing so, which will almost always require killing them. (Politely asking fascists to not be fascists has a very poor track record.) Consider the recent Indiana Supreme Court ruling, which declared that if a cop tries to ILLEGALLY enter your home, it’s against the law for you to do anything to stop him. Aside from the patent absurdity of it, since it amounts to giving thugs with badges PERMISSION to “break the law,” and makes it a CRIME for you to defend yourself against a CRIMINAL (if he has a badge), consider the logical ramifications of that attitude.

There were once some words written on a piece of parchment (with those words now known as the Fourth Amendment), that said that you have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures at the hands of ”government” agents. In Indiana today, what could that possibly mean?

The message from the ruling class is quite clear, and utterly insane. It amounts to this: “We don’t have the right to invade your home without probable cause ... but if we DO, you have no right to stop us, and we have the right to arrest you if you try.”

Why not apply that to the rest of the Bill of Rights, while we’re at it? ”You have the right to say what you want, but if we use violence to shut you up, you have to let us.” (I can personally attest to the fact that that is the attitude of the U.S. “Department of Justice.”) “You have the right to have guns, but if we try to forcibly and illegally disarm you, and you resist, we have the right to kill you.” (Ask Randy Weaver and the Branch Davidians about that one.) “You have the right to not testify against yourself, but when we coerce you into confessing (and call it
a ’plea agreement’), you can’t do a thing about it.” What good is a ”right”–what does the term “right” even mean–if you have an obligation to allow jackboots to violate your so-called “rights”? It makes the term absolutely meaningless.

To be blunt, if you have the right to do “A,” it means that if someone tries to STOP you from doing “A”– even if he has a badge and a politician’s scribble (“law”) on his side–you have the right to use whatever amount of force is necessary to resist that person. That’s what it means to have an unalienable right. If you have the unalienable right to speak your mind (a la the First Amendment), then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to shut you up. If you have the unalienable right to be armed, then you have the right to KILL ”government” agents who try to disarm you. If you have the right to not be subjected to unreasonable searches and seizures, then you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try to inflict those on you.

Those who are proud to be “law-abiding” don’t like to hear this, and don’t like to think about this, but what’s the alternative? If you do NOT have the right
to forcibly resist injustice–even if the injustice is called ”law”–that logically implies that you have an obligation to allow ”government” agents to do absolutely anything they want to you, your home, your family, and so on. Really, there are only two choices: you are a slave, the property of the politicians, without any rights at all, or you have the right to violently resist “government” attempts to oppress you. There can be no other option.

Of course, on a practical level, openly resisting the gang called ”government” is usually very hazardous to one’s health. But there is a big difference between obeying for the sake of self-preservation, which is often necessary and rational, and feeling a moral obligation to go along with whatever the ruling class wants to do to you, which is pathetic and insane. Most of the incomprehensible atrocities that have occurred throughout history were due in large part to the fact that most people answer “never” to the question of “When should you shoot a cop?”

The correct answer is: When evil is “legal,” become a criminal. When oppression is enacted as “law,” become a “law-breaker.” When those violently victimizing the innocent have badges, become a cop- killer.

The next time you hear of a police officer being killed “in the line of duty,” take a moment to consider the very real possibility that maybe in that case, the “law enforcer” was the bad guy and the “cop killer” was the good guy. As it happens, that has been the case more often than not throughout human history.

[St. Theresa (OP)]

And just cause it fits...

[Griffin]

This looks like something I have written especially after my brother got arrested. I hate cops, and view them as murderous thieves who can kill, rob or cage anyone they want for no reason at all and have immunity to any laws that they are enforcing. Cops have gotten way out of hand with their power trips, disregard for the law, and allowing other cops to do whatever they want which exacerbates the problem it is truly scary. More people were killed by cops in one month, here in the U.S. last year, than in all of England in almost 100 years.

They seriously abuse the shit out of the power and everyday you read a new story about them breaking the law, covering something up for another cop or themselves, killing someone, seriously hurting someone for no reason, planting evidence or lying to get a conviction, raping and sexually assaulting people, and a ton of other horrible things. Still people cheer them on and defend them as the rape, pillage, murder, and steal from everyone. The whole entire criminal justice system is so extremely corrupt and scary it's painful to thank about.

If I were a minority I don't know if i would be able to leave my house, I have enough trouble as it is because I don't want to be caged again because I am driving and being a methadone patient, or for making a text message without purpose or intent of actual conversation which is what I was arrested for the first time and was convicted of misdemeanor harassment for breaking up with my girlfriend over the phone.

Plus what I saw them do to my brother where they cuffed him and they then tazed him, pepper sprayed him, and beat the shit out of him with their batons. I have never seen someone so bruised in my life. This was all payback because they broke into a house where him and 3 other people were and he had taken a quarter of shrooms and was completely out of his mind, and when they burst through the door without warning or a warrant.

They thought a party was going on so they just came right in without knocking and didn't have a warrant but said they could see drugs and alcohol through the window and had probably cause. He started fighting them when they came through the door because he thought they were random people breaking into the house, then after the 3 of them got him on the ground, they cuffed his hands and feet, and then they proceeded to taze, pepper spray, and beat him with their batons for over 10 seconds. They also made him sit in jail with his hands cuffed to a bar above his head for over 3 hours for no reason at all except to get back at him for hitting the cop before getting arrested.

[Illadelph215]

Yeaaaa, hoe about we just don't kill cops mmmmk. You'll get a nice jail sentence if you though, so if that's what your into then by all means take the head of someone's household off the earth because he had a badge. The statistics comparing the U.S. To England are garbage when you consider the sheer size difference, let alone that we the people have guns and so do the cops, when in England, for the most part neither do. I have had bad instances and good with cops because their just like us, people. I would LOVE to see the same people who say FUCK THE COPS! THEIR PIGS! When they get their goal and there isn't any. Their going to be the ones huddled inside scared out of their minds becuz their brothers are out to get them. This is coming after a horrible arrest I had where I was treated horribly and I currently am wrapped up in a shitty court case. Get real people and focus your energy on something other then kill cops.

[St. Theresa (OP)]

Yeaaaa, hoe about we just don't kill cops mmmmk. You'll get a nice jail sentence if you though, so if that's what your into then by all means take the head of someone's household off the earth because he had a badge. The statistics comparing the U.S. To England are garbage when you consider the sheer size difference, let alone that we the people have guns and so do the cops, when in England, for the most part neither do. I have had bad instances and good with cops because their just like us, people. I would LOVE to see the same people who say FUCK THE COPS! THEIR PIGS! When they get their goal and there isn't any. Their going to be the ones huddled inside scared out of their minds becuz their brothers are out to get them. This is coming after a horrible arrest I had where I was treated horribly and I currently am wrapped up in a shitty court case. Get real people and focus your energy on something other then kill cops.

Illadelph,  your post makes very little sense to me...I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But I'm getting you think that we should all just stfu and support the men and women of American law enforcement?

Let me put it this way, there are men and women in LE  who aren't supporting or protecting the communities that employ them. Straight up, we are the enemy. No one said all cops are bad. And who said anything about the UK?

Did you read the post or watch the video?
Reread it please.

"How about we don't kill cops mmmk"   Lol.  You missed the point totally, and just became the example of the knee jerk reaction described above. 

No ones killing cops. the video/post is meant to bring about thought on where YOU will stand when YOU, your neighbors, friends, family or even strangers have their rights stripped and are faced with true oppression.

Sorry man, but your post is a mess. If you think the current state of law enforcement is doing fine and the  cops in this country are just like us, then I suggest you become one. Oh wait,  you can't. Lol

Look at what almost happened last week:
http://forum.drugs-and-users.org/index.php/topic,2311.msg24094.html#msg24094

These events are very important, our rights mean jack shit to them. But we should really care about the safety of our police... right?

[Illadelph215]

Lollll, @St. Theresa he title of this is "when is is ok to shoot a cop" and you posted a video called "body count" by COP KILLER. It's very easy to get your point. And I could have and prolly will could be a cop, very easily. And it's an easy subject to market and sell, no shit there are more stories now then ever of cops abusing power. There are more cops because there are more people and there is more technology to show when one fucks up. I'm not kissing their ass as I said they fuck up like the rest of us and there is bad just like there's bad everywhere, but I'm sick of the "COPS ARE PIGS" "LETS KILL THEM BULLSHIT". And the UK stat I mentioned was written by @Griffin. But whatever I have nothing else to say. Shame more or what, make me out to be "stupid", I very seldom get involved in drama but when I see shit like this I have to voice my opinion.

[Illadelph215]

It looks like I said I will become a cop but that was a typo. I meant to say I could, very easily. And you may be right with I should have read the whole story before posting and I may have jumped the gun but like I said, seeing the title and then the video you posted. It was clear what your dancing around here.

[Guts]

Fuck the cops. They're pigs. I'll email you my name if you want.

[Illadelph215]

Nope I'm good on that, thanks for the offer though. Your free with your opinion as am I. Now go pop in some NWA put your favorite J's on and raise your middle finger for all of Anacrchy.

[Guts]

Nope I'm good on that, thanks for the offer though. Your free with your opinion as am I. Now go pop in some NWA put your favorite J's on and raise your middle finger for all of Anacrchy.

Psss... your racism is showing.

[Illadelph215]

Lollll god the race card is easy for you to pull isn't it? Really couldn't think of anything else so you had to resort to some shit like that this early lol. If I wasn't working I'd be wearing J's. But your stupidity is showing all over this thread. First a general statement like "fuck the cops" "their pigs" then a nice "your racist". God damn Einstein over here.

[Guts]

Just as easy as it is to kill cops. Now go help your brothers in blue fuck boy.

[Illadelph215]

Nice bro, another killer statement. Wtf would this community do without the intellect of @Guts I don't even want to think about it. You are D@U @Guts and we all take you oh so seriously. God damn rats cock bag if k ever saw one.

[Guts]

I got voted president in the other thread for my plans to kill all the rich people.

I bet you see many a bag of rat cocks on the farm.

[Illadelph215]

Nice bro, I hope they give you a trophy at least. That will prolly go on your grave stone since its most likely the farthest you have and will get in life. Unless that is, you live up to than username of yours. @Guts "just as easy to kill a cop" please please do it you little shit. Go kill a copper, I'm trying to see how big and bad you are and your fuckboy self all over the news saying, SCREAMING! "I got voted president in a Pokemon site online.
I'm sure your parents would be proud.