Phenibut

[Narkotikon]

I don't recall exactly what I was taking at that point -- my posts from back then would probably give a lot more insight into what I was doing than I could here. The PM seizures weren't caused from a taper tho, it was weird because it happened when I was on a really high dose of the shit. I posted about it at the time, unfortunately it's not so easy to just search my old posts anymore

Tapering is the same story with most other things, use something long-acting and go as slow as possible, and I think it's really key to get down really low for awhile before you jump.

Thanks for answering, Chops. I really do appreciate it. I'll make sure to go slow and low with the taper.

[Reezy]

I don't recall exactly what I was taking at that point -- my posts from back then would probably give a lot more insight into what I was doing than I could here. The PM seizures weren't caused from a taper tho, it was weird because it happened when I was on a really high dose of the shit. I posted about it at the time, unfortunately it's not so easy to just search my old posts anymore

Tapering is the same story with most other things, use something long-acting and go as slow as possible, and I think it's really key to get down really low for awhile before you jump.

Right. i heard of this on opioophile. i seem to think i remember it being somthing that can happen on really high doses in general. chops/chopstix made some comments on it, i believe also if my memory recalls.

[sk8phaze (OP)]

***FOR ME*** 3.5g would just chill me out and not effect me, BUT...

7+g KNOCKED ME ON ME ASS. I don't know if I overdosed, was with drawling, or Bill Cosby stopped by. But i was groggy for a day n a half.

I like being on 1g a day. Its comfy, and i can take a baclofen if needed or a valium. Plus it doesn't get in the way with my drinking. But I feel great when i wake up. Where you just lay in bed and relax for 3 hours before getting up.

[smalls]

Speaking of baclofen, I posted a Radiolab episode in the Related Media subforum that talks about using baclofen to treat addiction, if anyone wants to listen to it.

[sk8phaze (OP)]

Speaking of baclofen, I posted a Radiolab episode in the Related Media subforum that talks about using baclofen to treat addiction, if anyone wants to listen to it.

 I'm interested where is the radio lab sections ?

[Opus]

7+g KNOCKED ME ON ME ASS. I don't know if I overdosed, was with drawling, or Bill Cosby stopped by.

That's entirely possible. One "overdose" I had on that shit I was pretty sure I'd been hanging out with Keanu Reeves near the surf on a beach in LA, it was crazy surreal and just utterly random and bizzare; like some hyper vivid dream that really fucks with your head. I don't even really like LA!

Scared the shit out of my GF. She had no idea wtf was wrong with me.. Very strange experience from my perspective..

[smalls]

 I'm interested where is the radio lab sections ?

It's here: http://forum.drugs-and-users.org/index.php/topic,1980.0.html
The most recent post in the Related Media section

[getmesome]

I did phenibut for some time. for me it's like a benzo light.
the storys i did read about people getting physicly dependent made me move to normal benzos again. same risk there

but i wouldn't underestimate phenibut, also only because it is seen as a nootropic makes it not safe imho

[sk8phaze (OP)]

I did phenibut for some time. for me it's like a benzo light.
the storys i did read about people getting physicly dependent made me move to normal benzos again. same risk there

but i wouldn't underestimate phenibut, also only because it is seen as a nootropic makes it not safe imho

Yeah since phenibut is a GABA-B agonist it has the same same risk of dependence as benzos. The manufacturers suggest 4 days on and a week of to avoid it. Everything in moderation. At least i tell myself that. Lol.

[Narkotikon]

I'm completely fucked too then.

I think these manufacturers have different warnings. PrimaForce said to take it for 2-3 days on with a 3 day "washout" / break in between.

Liftmode says never do it back to back, and to never take more than 4g per week.

I think these warnings are to help people not get dependent, but also to remove liability if the person goes against their warnings and takes too much. Take too much, for too long? Don't sue us because we warned you.

[sk8phaze (OP)]

I'm completely fucked too then.

I think these manufacturers have different warnings. PrimaForce said to take it for 2-3 days on with a 3 day "washout" / break in between.

Liftmode says never do it back to back, and to never take more than 4g per week.

I think these warnings are to help people not get dependent, but also to remove liability if the person goes against their warnings and takes too much. Take too much, for too long? Don't sue us because we warned you.

I'm surprised it hasn't been looked into for making it a DEA ClV or something of that nature. Until some high school punk takes to much and mixes it with some other drug and puts it on the hot seat for emergency scheduling, or big pharma gets an interest in profiting from it thru Rx only we're in the clear...for now. I'd be royally fucked if it was outlawed tomorrow.

[Narkotikon]

You and I both would be fucked if it was outlawed tomorrow.

I just opened a 500g container last Saturday. The one before that lasted 43 days. So I should be good with this one until late in February. Of course that's assuming I take it the same way.

Most days / night I'm just using to maintain. About every ten days or so I'll take more for a few days to get high, as much as you can call this a high.

I really, really need to start tapering. Had I known I'd be on this shit for almost a year, I never would have bought / tried it. Foolish me thought I could just take it or leave it. Can't imagine why that didn't work out. Sarcasm. Eye roll.

I've also got a bottle of 90 250mg capsules that I bought back in October. That'd work for a few days in an emergency.

Otherwise I try to have another 500g container as a backup when I begin to use the current one. At least that way I'd have enough to taper with in case something did happen.

[sk8phaze (OP)]

Damm. 500 grams. I buy 125 grams @ a time and. Take between .5-1.0g daily. I'm down to about 40 grams left so im gonna order more, just in case 😉

[sk8phaze (OP)]

  ** UPDATE **
 
   This is MY experience with Phenibut over a six month period.
I started at 1 gram a day.
Worked up to 3.5 grams daily
After 2-3 months of daily usage
Opioids legs got cut bad. Very bad
Herion lasting 1 hour at most
Suboxone lasting only 8-12 hours
GABA-B agonists control reward and pleasure
I posted an article on here of how
Phenibut mildly antagonizes' Opiod receptors
I was in a constant state of withdrawal
I weened down to 50 mg 2x a day of phenibut

I went to doctor on Friday and got valium
And gabapentin. Since then
I haven't had amy problems.

My anecdotal message is those that
Take phenibut, become chemically hooked
And take opiates daily. This will cause
The half life of opioid to reduce quickly.

It's good for certain occasions but please do not make this a daily or weekly habit.

[Jega]

It's good for certain occasions but please do not make this a daily or weekly habit.

Had to learn it the hard way hua? Then again most good things are like that.

[sk8phaze (OP)]

Had to learn it the hard way hua? Then again most good things are like that.

For real! Ive always heard people talking about GABA addiction. It's really weird and i hated having to re-dose. I read a story on Reddit
about a guy who was doing 20 GRAMS A DAY.
He went into inpatient rehab and had
terrible withdrawal for a few days
The they gave him diazepam and some other benzo
It kept him steady
So i went and got #45(10mg) valium
Gabapentin #120(300mg)
Diphenhydramine #120 (25mg)
LOTS of pure honey oil THC vape pen😁😀
I walk 4 miles every night to.
I've lost weight and i feel great.
Hope all is well @Jega !