still withdrawing AGAIN!

[Chip (OP)]

so I opted for pain relief.

WTF is 200 mg of Tramadol, right ?

fucking misery, is what it is !

I just spent 2 days of sweating and shivering as I dropped from 200 to 100 (give or take a few 5 mg. Oxy)

PLEASE think twice about your lengthy opiate habit for you will suffer as I did for your life long dance with opiates.

I have 1200 mg of Trams left to go and I desperately need to be opiate free. Legitimate pain control kicked my arse  😟

[FreedomOrBust]

Chipper, I'm right there with you, my friend.

I ran out of med's over the weekend and, with the seed market busted out, I am hurting.  The irony is that I'm using small doses of tramadol to cushion the fall.  Tramadol + loperamide +DXM covers some, but not all of the withdrawal.

Stay strong, brother.

[op8world]

Same old same old.  I'm Withdrawing for the gazillionth time.  Just last week I had a daily tolly of about 200mg ms and a shot of good homebake for 1-2 years.  I tried my hardest to taper, but had minimal success of course.  I'm not doing awful, but like others have said, dxm and lope can help a lot.  There was once a time I found daily dxm doses as high as 150mg to be useful.  Adderall helps out in the morning.  It's a miracle it's prescribed to me under the circumstances.

I don't want to be done with opioids forever, but I don't want to die soon.  I sense that death is right around the corner if I continue the shenanigans as usual; as I have the past 20 years, starting at 15.

[FreedomOrBust]

The DXM does help on its own.  I'm really kicking my own ass here for blowing through my med's - with no decent, affordable seed left, it really is a perfect storm if you run out right now.  I can't even get seed locally now, as it is cleaned out.

[Thoms]

You’ll get through it chipper. It’s what we do after all. As long as you keep your head about you and don’t let yourself slip back into the whole just one more time thing. Just remember the years of work you put into getting clean and remember how fast that shit will straight jump right up on you.

[Chip (OP)]

yep, I will but I'm so over getting sick at the slightest encounter with any opiate.

if I really understood how they worked then I'd have given them a big miss.

I used to think that coming off them would reset your system but now I know the truth.

every time I take an opiate, I will withdraw to some degree. the longer you take them, the more profound the withdrawal.

[MoeMentim]

  Same happens to me, use once & get minor withdrawl symptoms.  Sucks.

[lawyerup]

yep, I will but I'm so over getting sick at the slightest encounter with any opiate.

if I really understood how they worked then I'd have given them a big miss.

I used to think that coming off them would reset your system but now I know the truth.

every time I take an opiate, I will withdraw to some degree. the longer you take them, the more profound the withdrawal.

yup ive noticed the more often uve been hooked the quicker and easier it is to get addicted from  a small amount. there's no true reset for us lifers.

[Esoteric Anhydride]

yep, I will but I'm so over getting sick at the slightest encounter with any opiate.

if I really understood how they worked then I'd have given them a big miss.

I used to think that coming off them would reset your system but now I know the truth.

every time I take an opiate, I will withdraw to some degree. the longer you take them, the more profound the withdrawal.

yup ive noticed the more often uve been hooked the quicker and easier it is to get addicted from  a small amount. there's no true reset for us lifers.

Yup. Even after 2 years of not using anything, one $20 bag used over a day or so is enough to bring on wd.

Pretty much fucked for life over this shit. I think the years of methadone pretty much seals the deal.

[lawyerup]

yep, I will but I'm so over getting sick at the slightest encounter with any opiate.

if I really understood how they worked then I'd have given them a big miss.

I used to think that coming off them would reset your system but now I know the truth.

every time I take an opiate, I will withdraw to some degree. the longer you take them, the more profound the withdrawal.

yup ive noticed the more often uve been hooked the quicker and easier it is to get addicted from  a small amount. there's no true reset for us lifers.

Yup. Even after 2 years of not using anything, one $20 bag used over a day or so is enough to bring on wd.

Pretty much fucked for life over this shit. I think the years of methadone pretty much seals the deal.

methadone is some sticky shit i dont think the body ever really resets from that drug especially.

[FreedomOrBust]

methadone is some sticky shit i dont think the body ever really resets from that drug especially.

This is a good reminder for me to see, every time I'm tempted to try the done route.

As bad as this last w/d was, I can't step up to something that would make it worse.  I think I'm finally realizing how bad it has gotten - I just came off a miserable week, no sleep last 3 nights, even my usual hacks didn't work this time (like clonodine for sleep), the restless legs was unreal.  Tossing and turning and not able to get comfortable, hour after bloody hour.

I feel like I've been in a war. I'm past the half century mark, so my body doesn't rebound like it used to.
 

[Thoms]

Done is a big choice. I would say make sure you are okay with the idea of being on it for the rest of your life before you trY it. For me it was the right choice as I was fucking flying down a hole that was fixing to kill me with a quickness. It’s not a free lunch for sure and not a decision to be taken lightly but it’s got its place for sure.

[Chip (OP)]

i'm going the Lyrica route to see if i can CT (with Pregablin).

you know, i still love opiates but they have to get out of my life, legit pain control or not.

[Esoteric Anhydride]

i'm going the Lyrica route to see if i can CT (with Pregablin).

you know, i still love opiates but they have to get out of my life, legit pain control or not.

Have you considered jumping over to subs? IME it's not too tough once under ~20mg md or so.

Just a thought..

[Chip (OP)]

absolutely not as I am down to 50 mg and that's tiny.

I cannot be tied to a clinic again as my job and place of work couldn't accommodate that.

the Pregablin and tapered doses of Tramadol is by far the most effective if CT isn't viable.

but if I had a real habit then Subs would give me the most freedom so your suggestion would be entirely valid.

I'm feeling fine and have split the pills into 25 mg doses  if I need them. that is a really tiny amount and should be comfortable. I will take 150 mg of Pregablin daily and report back.

thank you for your concern but I've got this.