dopetalk does not endorse any advertised product nor does it accept any liability for it's use or misuse

This website has run out of funding so feel free to contribute if you can afford it (see footer)

Author Topic: Methamphetamine and the kidneys  (Read 7985 times)

Offline Chip (OP)

  • Server Admin
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Location: Australia
  • Posts: 6509
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Chip has hidden their reputation power
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:October 20, 2021, 05:43:37 AM
  • Deeply Confused Learner
  • Profession: IT Engineer
Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« on: July 12, 2016, 01:09:13 AM »
This is a new issue for me. I just joined the dots and when a long-term using friend died from kidney failure, I didn't  really know why but now that my own kidneys are hurting today, I'm starting to think that even weekly use may be the meth.

Does anybody have any experience with Methamphetamine and kidney issues ?

Is once a week likely to damage my kidneys since I have been doing it for over a few years ?
« Last Edit: July 13, 2016, 10:10:00 AM by chipper »
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
I do not condone or support any illegal activities. All information is for theoretical discussion and wonder.
All activities discussed are considered fictional and hypothetical. Information of all discussion has been derived from online research and in the spirit of personal Freedom.

Offline Esoteric Anhydride

  • I <3 Mods
  • Tech
  • Full Member
  • *
  • SA_Chat+
  • **
  • Join Date: May 2015
  • Location:
  • Posts: 486
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Esoteric Anhydride has hidden their reputation power
  • Last Login:October 14, 2019, 06:26:54 AM
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2016, 11:41:00 AM »
Tweak is very hard on kidneys. I had a neighbor who almost died from kidney failure while smoking speed.

Be careful Chipper.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Zoops

  • Filius non bonum de canis femina.
  • Deceased
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2015
  • Location: Nodsville-on-Patawomeck, Virginia, USA
  • Posts: 1729
  • Reputation Power: 58
  • Zoops has got loads of potential.Zoops has got loads of potential.Zoops has got loads of potential.Zoops has got loads of potential.Zoops has got loads of potential.
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:September 29, 2017, 04:49:02 AM
  • Keeping the wolves at bay with a sharp stick.
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2016, 06:00:36 PM »
Yeah, I can imagine the very fine network of blood vessels in the kidneys is prone to damage from chronic elevated BP caused by methamphetamine.

Is that what causes the damage - high BP? Because hypertension can cause renal disease if left untreated. I imagine it can damage your eyes too?

friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
"The future ain't what it used to be."
"When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
"You can observe a lot just by watching."
- Yogi Berra

"Drugs are so fucking good....that they'll ruin your life."
- Louis C.K.

Offline Chip (OP)

  • Server Admin
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Location: Australia
  • Posts: 6509
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Chip has hidden their reputation power
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:October 20, 2021, 05:43:37 AM
  • Deeply Confused Learner
  • Profession: IT Engineer
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 06:31:29 PM »
Thanks guys, I will try to do it only occasionally but damn, it's scary.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
I do not condone or support any illegal activities. All information is for theoretical discussion and wonder.
All activities discussed are considered fictional and hypothetical. Information of all discussion has been derived from online research and in the spirit of personal Freedom.

Offline Esoteric Anhydride

  • I <3 Mods
  • Tech
  • Full Member
  • *
  • SA_Chat+
  • **
  • Join Date: May 2015
  • Location:
  • Posts: 486
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Esoteric Anhydride has hidden their reputation power
  • Last Login:October 14, 2019, 06:26:54 AM
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2016, 10:08:49 PM »
Yeah, I can imagine the very fine network of blood vessels in the kidneys is prone to damage from chronic elevated BP caused by methamphetamine.

Is that what causes the damage - high BP? Because hypertension can cause renal disease if left untreated. I imagine it can damage your eyes too?

I've heard for a long time that the shit is hard on various organs and systems, but regarding kidneys I've never heard anything about the mechanism behind the damage, only that it apparently doesn't metabolize down much and that the molecule itself (not metabolites) is damaging to kidneys.

friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Chip (OP)

  • Server Admin
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Location: Australia
  • Posts: 6509
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Chip has hidden their reputation power
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:October 20, 2021, 05:43:37 AM
  • Deeply Confused Learner
  • Profession: IT Engineer
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 08:45:51 AM »
I found some more on this at narconon.org:

The increased heart rate and constriction of blood vessels common with stimulant abuse can also cut off the flow of blood to the kidneys, again, resulting in failure.

Hyperthermia, or increased body temperature, is a common result of stimulant abuse. Hyperthermia can reach dangerous—even fatal—levels. If a person also becomes dehydrated, the kidneys will be highly stressed, may break down completely and death can result.


... and I found this (elsewhere) too:

Meth can also damage the kidneys. The body uses the kidneys to filter waste products from the body. When the meth is filtered through the kidneys, it causes blood vessels in the kidneys to constrict. This leads to a decrease in urine production and allows toxins to be reabsorbed into the body.

friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
I do not condone or support any illegal activities. All information is for theoretical discussion and wonder.
All activities discussed are considered fictional and hypothetical. Information of all discussion has been derived from online research and in the spirit of personal Freedom.

Offline Opi-ette

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • SA_Chat+
  • **
  • Join Date: Aug 2015
  • Location: NY
  • Posts: 405
  • Reputation Power: 7
  • Opi-ette is new on the scene.
  • Gender: Female
  • Last Login:April 05, 2021, 02:27:50 PM
  • “I can resist everything except temptation.”
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2016, 10:05:41 AM »
Chipper how are you feeling today? Do they still hurt? Please be careful, we need you!
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Chip (OP)

  • Server Admin
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Location: Australia
  • Posts: 6509
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Chip has hidden their reputation power
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:October 20, 2021, 05:43:37 AM
  • Deeply Confused Learner
  • Profession: IT Engineer
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2016, 10:09:08 AM »
Opi-ette, no they don't hurt today but i recently dropped my Methadone dose a bit and all sort of niggles and pains popped up but they are now subsiding as i get used to my new dose.

thank you for your concerns.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
I do not condone or support any illegal activities. All information is for theoretical discussion and wonder.
All activities discussed are considered fictional and hypothetical. Information of all discussion has been derived from online research and in the spirit of personal Freedom.

Offline Opi-ette

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • SA_Chat+
  • **
  • Join Date: Aug 2015
  • Location: NY
  • Posts: 405
  • Reputation Power: 7
  • Opi-ette is new on the scene.
  • Gender: Female
  • Last Login:April 05, 2021, 02:27:50 PM
  • “I can resist everything except temptation.”
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2016, 10:27:24 AM »
Oh thats good to hear  :) Can I ask how you know its your kidneys? I ask because I have a bad back (lumbar area) and wonder how people differentiate kidney pain from back pain.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Chip (OP)

  • Server Admin
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Location: Australia
  • Posts: 6509
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Chip has hidden their reputation power
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:October 20, 2021, 05:43:37 AM
  • Deeply Confused Learner
  • Profession: IT Engineer
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2016, 11:02:25 AM »
sure, kidney pain is higher up than general back pain - it's just under your back's rib cage. mind you, i could be wrong and hope i am but it does make sense.

I also took this from http://www.medicinenet.com/ :
 
The kidneys are bean-shaped organs (about 11 cm x 7 cm x 3 cm) that are located against the back muscles in the upper abdominal area. They sit opposite each other on both the left and right side of the body; the right kidney, however, sits a little lower than the left to accommodate the size of the liver.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
I do not condone or support any illegal activities. All information is for theoretical discussion and wonder.
All activities discussed are considered fictional and hypothetical. Information of all discussion has been derived from online research and in the spirit of personal Freedom.

Offline Zoops

  • Filius non bonum de canis femina.
  • Deceased
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: May 2015
  • Location: Nodsville-on-Patawomeck, Virginia, USA
  • Posts: 1729
  • Reputation Power: 58
  • Zoops has got loads of potential.Zoops has got loads of potential.Zoops has got loads of potential.Zoops has got loads of potential.Zoops has got loads of potential.
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:September 29, 2017, 04:49:02 AM
  • Keeping the wolves at bay with a sharp stick.
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2016, 12:52:43 PM »
In addition to being a potent vasoconstrictor, methamphetamine, and any amphetamine, for that matter, is relatively strong in the pKa department, meaning it is a strong base, compared to other types of molecules and substances floating around in the physiological milieu.

This might also be cause for some of the damaging effects of tweak on the kidneys. The kidneys work by allowing blood to flow through a very fine network of blood vessels, where waste products and drug metabolites are filtered out, while the stuff your body needs are re-absorbed.

Methamphetamine, by virtue of its being a basic, alkaline substance, might cause some direct physical damage to these extremely fine blood vessels, which, for all intents and purposes have walls that are but one cell layer thick.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
"The future ain't what it used to be."
"When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
"You can observe a lot just by watching."
- Yogi Berra

"Drugs are so fucking good....that they'll ruin your life."
- Louis C.K.

Offline Chip (OP)

  • Server Admin
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Location: Australia
  • Posts: 6509
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Chip has hidden their reputation power
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:October 20, 2021, 05:43:37 AM
  • Deeply Confused Learner
  • Profession: IT Engineer
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2016, 10:21:17 PM »
At least the pain has gone away and I really don't take more than approx 150 mg. a week and my urine color hasn't been dark at all lately so I hope that is a good indicator of my kidney health.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
I do not condone or support any illegal activities. All information is for theoretical discussion and wonder.
All activities discussed are considered fictional and hypothetical. Information of all discussion has been derived from online research and in the spirit of personal Freedom.

Offline smalls

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Join Date: Oct 2015
  • Location:
  • Posts: 146
  • Reputation Power: 9
  • smalls is new on the scene.
  • Gender: Female
  • Last Login:October 08, 2018, 09:05:28 AM
  • East Coast Hermit
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2016, 01:08:21 PM »
Speaking of reabsorbed toxins, when I don't shit for a week does my body absorb toxins from the poo that just sits in my colon until it's a rock hard mass the size of a 16 oz can of Dr. Pepper?

Any time there's talk of kidneys I like to mention that I have only one. Was born that way. I didn't even know it until I was in my 20s. Crazy huh? I guess back in the 80s they were satisfied with counting a newborn's 10 fingers and 10 toes and called it a day. Nowadays I think they check for all the organs during pregnancy.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Chip (OP)

  • Server Admin
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Location: Australia
  • Posts: 6509
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Chip has hidden their reputation power
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:October 20, 2021, 05:43:37 AM
  • Deeply Confused Learner
  • Profession: IT Engineer
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2016, 05:04:32 PM »
That's interesting ... i only have sight in one eye - wanna swap ?

I think that only one kidney is ok and I'm not too sure why we have two anyway.
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
I do not condone or support any illegal activities. All information is for theoretical discussion and wonder.
All activities discussed are considered fictional and hypothetical. Information of all discussion has been derived from online research and in the spirit of personal Freedom.

Offline theSWPK

  • Oxymorphone Overlord
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • SA_Chat+
  • **
  • Join Date: Jun 2015
  • Location: Missississississippi
  • Posts: 827
  • Reputation Power: 36
  • theSWPK is working their way up.theSWPK is working their way up.theSWPK is working their way up.
  • Gender: Male
  • Last Login:April 19, 2021, 12:59:03 PM
  • Welcome to active addiction!
Re: Methamphetamine and the kidneys
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2016, 05:12:35 PM »
Back when I would have extended tweekend runs that would go from Friday to Tuesday or sometimes longer. I would use either lisdextroamphetamine or meth, and my  kidneys would hurt afterwards.
Could have been from zero food and dehydration but I've always done very well on staying hydrated when using stims.

Also, I have 2 healthy kidneys, and most likely would do fine with just one. But I know, the second I take up an offer to sell a kidney for $20,000 that, just to fuck with me, the remaining one would fail.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2016, 05:14:40 PM by theSWPK »
friendly
0
funny
0
informative
0
agree
0
disagree
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Now fixing in a parking lot near you!







"And you dont know my complexity." - Riddick

Tags:
 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
6 Replies
5194 Views
Last post December 26, 2019, 05:56:10 AM
by Chip
2 Replies
3386 Views
Last post July 23, 2015, 09:16:12 PM
by Chip
4 Replies
4103 Views
Last post January 16, 2018, 07:53:52 AM
by Chip
0 Replies
3266 Views
Last post August 11, 2015, 12:03:32 AM
by Chip
6 Replies
5264 Views
Last post July 03, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
by Chip
23 Replies
12714 Views
Last post March 23, 2016, 02:26:07 AM
by Wildcat
16 Replies
14253 Views
Last post July 26, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
by Chip
0 Replies
1528 Views
Last post October 20, 2018, 09:50:48 AM
by Chip
0 Replies
615 Views
Last post June 08, 2021, 05:01:46 AM
by Chip
0 Replies
99 Views
Last post October 01, 2021, 12:08:36 PM
by Chip


dopetalk does not endorse any advertised product nor does it accept any liability for it's use or misuse





TERMS AND CONDITIONS

In no event will d&u or any person involved in creating, producing, or distributing site information be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental, punitive, special or consequential damages arising out of the use of or inability to use d&u. You agree to indemnify and hold harmless d&u, its domain founders, sponsors, maintainers, server administrators, volunteers and contributors from and against all liability, claims, damages, costs and expenses, including legal fees, that arise directly or indirectly from the use of any part of the d&u site.


TO USE THIS WEBSITE YOU MUST AGREE TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ABOVE


Founded December 2014
SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal