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heroin pills ?
« on: December 17, 2015, 02:48:45 AM »

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/campbell-county/newport/heroin-disguised-as-pain-pills-like-russian-roulette


NEWPORT, Ky. –  Heroin was already a crisis in Northern Kentucky – a matter of life or death. How could it get worse?

"Now it's like Russian roulette," says Dr. Jeremy Engel, who says the user doesn't know what he or she is getting.

Drug users thinking they're buying pain pills may be getting tricked into buying heroin.


something much different.

"It was determined those pills were actually heroin," Det. Andrew Schierberg said.

David Sizemore was charged with trafficking. He  told WCPO he may use, but doesn't sell drugs.

Bobbie Yeager is also accused of trafficking.  She told WCPO she is not involved in that -- period.
 

Schierberg says the Northern Kentucky Drug Strike Force seized pills and $9,000 in cash.

"The evidence, especially in this case, really contradicts the amount of pills and plus the amount of cash found at that residence. It really contradicts that it was just for personal use," Schierberg said.
 

"It's alarming,"  said Newport Police Chief Tom Collins, whose officers wrestle with heroin on the streets every day.

"You don't have any tracks. You don't have any paraphernalia. And that spells disaster not only for law enforcement, but for families and society as a whole," Collins said.

And, there's no quality control in the drug trade.

"With Percocet and Oxycontin, you actually know what you're getting. With heroin, you don't know what you're getting. You don't know if it's pure, if it has fentanyl."

Another problem, Engel says, is the cost of heroin is cheaper and more accessible than the cost and accessibility of treatment.

A Campbell County grand jury will soon decide whether to indict Sizemore and Yeager on trafficking charges.
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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2015, 03:40:41 AM »
So if you have 9k in cash
And allot of pills
You are a dealer.

Not one uc buy
But you are a dealer

Well in his defence
My track marks
Are fuckin awful

Another thing I don't get
Now pain pills are better?

There just gonna have to decide
Who gets the money
Big pharma or the Colombians

This cat is out of the bag.

If they were talking heroin orally
Then you would need allot
And not have rigs or trackmarks
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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2015, 03:40:41 AM »
due to the low oral bioavailability issues, isn't this a waste ?

sounds like a nutty and expensive idea so I can't see it taking off unless they are super cheap, of course.

mind you, no less addictive and the risk of OD is there too.
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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2015, 04:46:02 AM »
Jesus this is really close to me. Northern KY is considered part of the greater Cincinnati metro area. They don't need another reason to hate heroin. Heroin hating is a passion for do-gooders around here.

I'm kinda shocked that doctor didn't mention that heroin simply gets converted into morphine. He got the check mark for the fent. Actually now that I think about it, it's better scare tactics to make people think heroin in a pill is just as deadly as IV dope.  And even if the pill had fentanyl in it isn't the oral BA of fent negligible?  Again with the scare tactics.

I'm sure the dealers of heroin pills pawn them off as oxyC or OxyM or something like that. Unsuspecting people would pay $1-2 per mg for those. I wonder what the imprints look like.
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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2015, 04:55:05 AM »

I believe using heroin orally is literally like taking morphine orally--your body just converts it back to morphine.


from Wiki:
Heroin is entirely converted to morphine by means of first-pass metabolism, resulting indeacetylation when ingested. Heroin's oral bioavailability is both dose-dependent (as is morphine's) and significantly higher than oral use of morphine itself, reaching up to 64.2% for high doses and 45.6% for l[/size]ow doses.


I'm sure its just a matter of circumstances, but spending all that time, money & effort to isolate and convert morphine to heroin, just to eat it and have Mr. Liver convert that heroin right back to morphine again seems a bit futile.


But, if the circumstances were such that I found heroin tablets, and could not inject them for whatever reason, I'd eat them with gusto.  Matters nothing to me whether I am opiated by morphine, heroin, 3MAM, 6MAM, etc....


Over a century ago, it used to be common for storage & dosing purposes, for doctors to purchase MEDICINES like Heroin, in dried-up little balls or tablets stored in an air-tight bottle. 


When the time came for an injection, Old Doctor Poutysphincter would count out the dose he was about to prepare for injection.  Of course back then, the heroin balls or tablets were weighed in grains (1 grain = 65mg).  These stable little heroin storage units were then mixed with water and drawn up for injection.


The only benefit dried pills or tabs had over dried powder was ease of dosing a specific amount.


Now, about this story from Kentuck-tuck, making them into a pill-shapes might make dealing easier avoiding the hassle of filling little baggies, or balloons, etc....  Maybe dealers have some customers that would NEVER try heroin, but are buying pills up left & right.  If the H Pills were good enough to pass as Pharm, the dealer might just boost his business.


I would be ONE THING if a dealer sold counterfeit Pills that did nothing.  ANOTHER THING entirely if his counterfeit Pillies actually had a kcik to them!
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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2015, 05:08:29 AM »
All very good info. I found the old timey info interesting. 

Around here there aren't stamps or balloons. They used tied off sandwich baggies. Take that with a grain of salt though, as my experiences buying dope are relatively few.
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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2015, 06:13:29 AM »
Fake oxy pills that are actually fentanyl are big in some parts of Canada.  West coast and rural areas are especially touched.  I guess using heroin would be a similar idea, but they probably are just using what they have on hand that is cheap.  I bet if they could get morphine easily and cheaply they would use that instead like morphy says.

I'm actually surprised that this isn't more widespread.  With the high cost of pills I bet it easily justifies buying a pill prezs for some of the larger distribution groups.  Selling pills is easier then selling powder too.  No need to weigh it and bag it.  No worries about pinching or cutting it down the line.

Did anyone else get some of those brown heroin pills coming out of Pakistan through the online pharmacies a while back.  Maybe 8 years or something.  They were only about 30mg each, but felt like about a point of retail smack here.  You could order 200 for 200 for a year or so, and then they fell off and were selectively scammed fakes.  The problem was the $100 shipping, but you could grab a bunch of knock off benzos and be way ahead of the game.

The ones I got were little brown double convex pills sold as diamorphine.

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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2015, 09:10:49 AM »
Around Cincy I always got my dope in folds outta whatever magazine or paper was laying around.   It is amazing to see the amount of ignorance and hate in this area.   I was on the bus and counted 4 billboards that say " call this # to turn in your heroin dealer " in just one small section of town.  People here love their cigarette and alcohol but other drugs are the devil! 

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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2015, 09:30:43 AM »
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that most users of these "Her-on Pills" were purchased by IV users.

Jim Bob: My dealer got thems Morphine pills in again. The ones that are Waaaaay better than thems MS contin. Wanna go get???

Joe Lee: Just as soon as I make this Pig squeal.

Jim Bob: Yep....

Joe Lee: Yep....

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Re: heroin pills ?
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Re: heroin pills ?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2015, 06:19:23 AM »
And even if the pill had fentanyl in it isn't the oral BA of fent negligible?  Again with the scare tactics.

The oral bioavailability of fent is 33%, but as it's 80 times stronger than morphine or H, I wouldn't minimalize the risk.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2015, 11:26:05 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2015, 06:25:19 PM »
The oral bioavailability of fent is 33%, but as it's 80 times stronger than morphine or H, I wouldn't minimalize the risk.
Fentanyl tolerance can be really tricky, especially using new ROAs.

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My bad. Thanks for the correction. I wasn't sure hence the question mark. I should have looked it up before I posted.
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