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Core Topics => Drugs => Phenethylamines => Topic started by: BamaPainGurl on November 07, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
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Literally! She stopped by today and I was angry at her, until I saw her bandages. So she tells me a bare bones version hoping I wouldn't figure out who it was. I knew right away. The guy she lives with gets very paranoid on ice or meth or whatever it is. He took her to Georgia, "got lost" in the country and grabbed her by the hair, snatched her head back and took a box cutter to her throat. Screaming he was gonna kill the snitch. I raised her old school, she would never snitch.
I cleaned and changed her bandages today. They couldn't close the wound, afraid because so many hours had passed they might close up infection in it. So she essentially has a 3/4 in deep gash across her throat. It was the grace of God the blade wasn't long enough to reach a jugular.
He denied her medical care till the next day (so he could come down)and made her make up a story. She told the er she got too close to a bar fight. She insisted on going back tonight until she can go stay with my mom. She hates living here, but also doesn't want Joss to see the wounds. He also destroyed all the phones so she couldn't call the police (or her family)! I doubt I will sleep until she is away from this psycho and he is under the jail or the ground. Either one will do.
I'm afraid if I do anything before then he will finish what he started. He obviously doesn't have any trouble hurting her. Sorry if this is jumping around. I'm going nuts sitting here wanting to kill this guy but I have to take care of the kids here and she wants me to keep Joss (her daughter) safe. I'm screaming inside my head over and over. It's one thing to worry about having to bury your drug addicted child, quite another to see evidence that there is a clear chance I will have to. :'(
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Oh my god. That is fucking insane and terrifying. I am so sorry you and your daughter are going through this and I hope she is able to get away from him and get his ass in jail where it belongs.
Is she still a minor or an adult?
There are battered women's shelters that dont give out their location for this very reason. But I get that she is very sucked into the abuse cycle. I don't know what I would do if I were you, it's horrifying to think about.
I hope you at least can take care of yourself and have people you can talk to who can support you through this. If not, maybe think about calling a crisis line or something, just to help vent and calm down--there are numbers in the Who You Gonna Call section on suicide, and you can call them for other crisis situations besides that. Its a good opportunity to unburden yourself and help calm down during this period of massive fear and uncertainty. Keep in mind if you do that you should avoid saying anything that implies you might hurt him as they are usually mandated reporters (even though the calls are anonymous).
All the hugs and good thoughts, BPG.
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Wow that's off the charts crazy as shit. Has this guy been arrested yet? Will she testify against him that he did this to her? (not snitching in my opinion if you've been damn near killed by someone - "snitching" is more like when you have knowledge of someone's criminal activity and you go and tell or tell to get a reduced sentence - like in a drugs possession case - "where did you get the drugs from?")
He abducted her and tried to kill her? That's like 20 years type of time right there. How old is your daughter.
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Wow Bama-PG,
That is horrible, but so glad she wasn't hurt worse. Yeah, if that asshole will do something like that for no reason (drug-induced paranoia), he is capable of any horrendous act, basically at any time.
Sounds like you are getting your daughter to a safe place and although we all have certain reservations about getting law enforcement involved--that pertains to NON-VIOLENT acts by consenting adults who chose to use chemicals that are less than legal to possess.
When it comes to violent crime; its okay to drop a dime.
I don't know what I would do in your situation, I would be tempted to shoot (& kill) this violent maniac, just before calling 911. With the violence that he has already committed, I'd be hard-pressed to think the district attorney (or whatever you have where you live) would press charges against you, if you stopped him from doing any more harm to your family.
Again, one couldn't go "hunt-down" this maniac for what he did; but if he showed-up at your place looking for your daughter...., it would seem more than justified.
I am no lawyer, and I give you no advice. But this situation isn't going to end well for someone; make sure it isn't you or your family.
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Wow man I am so sorry this happened to your daughter. How old is she? Is she feeling any better? When exactly did this happen?
That's fucking attempted murder he should get a nice 10-15 (to life) year bid for what he did...controlling her by destroying all phones, etc will add to the charges. If she wants to actually get rid of him a simple phone call to the police should take care of it. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the ER called the police. Nurses are pretty good at knowing when you're lying... that's just what I heard I have no personal experience trying to lie to nurses :-X ...
Please do not act on this on your own!!! I am not a parent so I can't even pretend I know what it feels like to have a child and even worse have a child where a man on drugs slit her throat. IF you go after him you will also be spending time behind bars and I know your daughter would much rather have you in her life than have you in prison. I am sure most males instant reaction is to take care of this POS right away but please please please think before you do anything!!!!
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He needs to be arrested and in jail ... sometimes the most dangerous time for women is right when they decide to leave, but it will not get better. Of course, you know that.
She must have been so terrified; I am so sorry you have to go through this. Is there ANY way she could go to a safe house/womens' shelter? Next time she will not be so "lucky". Seriously this guy needs to be arrested yesterday.
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I AM so sorry your daughter (and you!) are going through this! I agree with what was said above. I personally would reach out to a battered women's shelter NOW! Situations like this have a way of turning tragic quickly. Also, take some precautions for yourself if this piece of shit knows where you live. He might go off on you if he thinks you are helping to hide her and are keeping her from him.
Simple things can help keep you safe long enough to call and get help. Make sure your cell phone is fully charged and with you AT ALL TIMES. Keep the power cord in your purse or another bag you can grab quickly if you have to make a run for it.
LOCK ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE HOME. Creeps like this have no problem breaking into a house to look for your daughter, or to threaten you into disclosing her location.
If you have a legal firearm, keep it ready. Hopefully you will never need it, but if a situation goes bad quickly you won't have time to say "wait...let me get my gun and load it!"
When going out to your car, have your keys out and ready so you can get in quickly. Lock the door AS SOON AS YOU GET IN. This way if he tried to ambush you, he won't be able to open the door and drag you out. This way you could just pull out quickly and if you happen to run over him...all the better!
I would try to convince her to file a restraining order. That way if her comes near either you or your daughter and granddaughter you have some recourse to get his sorry ass thrown in jail.
It is true that the most dangerous time is immediately after a woman leaves, but there are ways to minimize the risk. I'm sure a social worker at a women's shelter can offer you more advice than I can. However if she chooses to stay it is inevitable that she will, at the very least; be assaulted again..he has proven he is violent. Unfortunately it is not uncommon for these situations to end in murder.
Please...call for help now!!! Be safe! We are here for you!
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Yeah, this shit is absolutely insane. You need to get her away from that dude ASAP.
Step 1.) Get your daughter (and her daughter too) somewhere safe where that psycho dude wouldn't be able to find them.
Step 2.) Call the police and tell them exactly what happened.
Step 3.) File a restraining order so dude can't get near you again if he happens to somehow not end up in jail.
I know this is a difficult and stressful experience to deal with, but you need to act NOW before something even worse happens to your daughter.
Good luck.
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Oh my god, as a parent there a few worse nightmares. Everybody had great advice--if i missed this, my apologies. Can you also set up a "go bag" to give her to hide (if she ends up returning to him) with a bit of cash, a small prepay cell etc that she can get access to FAST to call you, a friend/taxi etc?
Violence almost always escalates (not trying to worry you more) and if you can give her the tools to free herself, it may make her believe she can get out. Also, if he "goes off" again, any chance the police can hold him for a due to being a danger to himself and others? That could buy her some time. I understand her reluctance--it wasn't til looong after I got out of the abuse that I could see it clearly. It was hell on my parents too :(. Thanking god you're there for her and Joss. Y'all are in my prayers. Please keep us posted.
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Is there ANY way she could go to a safe house/womens' shelter? Next time she will not be so "lucky". Seriously this guy needs to be arrested yesterday.
That's what safe houses are for.
Sounds like you don't know where to go: Start by typing "how to find a women's safe house" (add your daughter's zip, or that of a town you're more comfortable with that tweakie wouldn't guess)
She'll get treatment, a lot of good leads, and eventually find whee she needs to be.
This is terrible news, Bamapaingurl.
You're right. He'll need to go someplace to think about it for years and years on Uncle's dime.
The resources above should be able to help advice; they deal with so many women who have been conditioned not to tell on their abusers.
She needs to get medical help, a safe place, distance, legal advice.
Then and only then, she can, from a safe distance, wish tweaklad happy motoring:
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Jesus!! You should have called the cops and refused go let your daughter go anywhere near him again.
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I'm so sorry for you bama ...
Everyone is giving sound caring advice but since you are in a similar situation that my mom is in I know how hard it is.
It's not as simple as calling the cops, especially if the victim is still living with him and won't leave also the cops can't make her or arrest him unless she files a report or makes a formal complaint. Plus she may not want to call them because she doesn't want to in incriminate herself.
My sister gets her ass beat weekly by her fat drunk slob of a bf and is constantly trying to off herself or starting fights. She won't leave him or call the cops and my mom doesn't want cops anywhere near her because they don't do jack shit but judge you and maybe even cause more bullshit by arresting my sister.
It's a nightmare and I really hope your girl gets the fuck away from that guy bastard.
Keep it together and just be there for joss...you're in my prayers.
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Nick, and everyone else,
Thanks for all the great advice! My daughter is 25 and still in the grips of active addiction herself. So, scared though she and I might be, I couldn't make her stay anywhere. She knows from past experience that I will rent her a hotel room far enough away that she won't be found and I have a hi-point 45 that I'm sure could keep her safe long enough to get in the car. But, she won't. I've been in a very nasty relationship like this one she is in and it took 3 years and 5 murder attempts for me to wise up. This guy she us with appears to be a lot more motivated to get the job done.
I think she thinks she is tough enough to live through anything. I know better but can't convince her of anything. I can't give her cash for obvious reasons and the phones I've already given her with the bills paid are in the garbage now. I feel very useless and as if I am just waiting for the inevitable. She may have a death wish. And in that situation,what do I do? I don't even know where she lives. She has succeeded in pushing me out of her life too well now.
Now my mind is flirting with worst case scenarios due to no information or way to reach out to her. Can only stay so busy, body refuses to keep up. And I agree he will do time, just don't know what for yet, attempted or pre meditated first degree?
Thanks st.T that's it in a nutshell.
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She's obviously suffering from battered spouse syndrome .Throw addiction in and she's not going to listen.
I rarely say this,but calling the cops(poor as police response often is to domestic abuse) would be the way to go. This isn't someone giving your daughter a beating,this sounds frighteningly like attempted murder.It's not just the cut throat,it's this happening in a remote place with no witnesses. This was pre-planned,attempted murder.
I'd call the cops and worry about my relationship with my daughter later.
bUT, this is you choice alone-much luck to both you and your daughter with whatever you decide.
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I've got to agree with Nick here. While it may seem harsh and unmotherly, jail is probably the safest place for her. You can repair your relationship later..but if he kills her you will never have the chance...
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I know you don't know me but I live in middle Georgia and if she needs a safe place for a few days she's welcome here. I'm just an email away...this is seriously a fucked up situation. It's tough when you care more about someone's well being than they do. Everyone has given you great advice so I'll sign off here. My thoughts are with you...kat
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God damn, this may sound harsh - but I've never understood the mentality of women who stay with or are even attracted to guys like this in the first place. They always say, "Oh, he's always so good when he's not *slicing my throat with a box cutter* (replace that with any other manner of insane act), I just couldn't leave him!".
I mean, come on, what does it take? I think most people have been in love, but when someone commits that sort of act against you, can you really even believe they love you anymore?
And I don't care that he was high as fuck on ice when he did it, that is no fucking excuse. If you can't handle your drugs, don't do 'em.
Anyway, enough of my rant, you need to get her out of that relationship and get her some help or she's going to end up dead. This guy needs to end up dead or locked up for life, he's fucking insane. Can you not talk sense into her? Get her somewhere safe, seriously.
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You almost have to get her away from him for a bit, so that she can start to see that what he is doing isn't love. You don't hurt someone that you love.
It is so sad that these guys are so good at getting these girls so utterly hooked on them. To the point of convincing them it is their fault they got hurt, and that they are the only person who will ever love someone ugly and horrible like the girl. It is so totallfy fucked up.
You have to get them away for a bit. Once they realize that they are ok without the guy, and that people love and care for them. Slowly they come around, and realize how toxic the guy is.
You just have to break the abusive conditioning somehow. I hope that your daughter is okay. My heart goes out to her.
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She's obviously suffering from battered spouse syndrome .Throw addiction in and she's not going to listen.
I rarely say this,but calling the cops(poor as police response often is to domestic abuse) would be the way to go. This isn't someone giving your daughter a beating,this sounds frighteningly like attempted murder.It's not just the cut throat,it's this happening in a remote place with no witnesses. This was pre-planned,attempted murder.
I'd call the cops and worry about my relationship with my daughter later.
bUT, this is you choice alone-much luck to both you and your daughter with whatever you decide.
This IS attempted murdr. I wouldn't think twice about calling the cops , at least on the "street ethics" that say you don't snitch. What is more important, your daughter's life or being called a snitch?
Snitching is dropping a dime on somebody whop's holding or a small time deal, not a throught -slicer.
Cops will get hard-on's to put this guy in cuffs and if he is that crazy on ice he might just offer a confession and he will be locked up in jail or a nut house fora very long time. I know most of us don't care for cops and we all know they have gotten out of control lately but things like this is why we do need cops.
Don't go after him yourself or with a "posse" that could backfire and you or one of your crew could get hurt or go to jail. Find a sympathetic lawyer and arrange to meet detectives away from the station and if your daughter won't come along bring photos of the wound. GIve them her BF's name, address, phone number and anything else that might hep them find him. If he's not on the run he will be in jail by the end of the wek and they may not grant him an affordable bail.
This may actually be what it takes to save your daughter's life and if not hers, his next girlfriend's... and you could have stopped it.
Sorry to sound judgemental or unympathetic but this is one of those things that justify telling the cops. Also for serious crimes like this the DA can prosecute even w/o the consent of the victim so she can't just "drop the charges" at best she could perjure herself at trial and say someone else did it in a bar fight but that won't hold up. She'd have to be screaming about "You got the wrong guy" and if you testify and say she is in his thrall and lying to protect him he'll go. And he should.
Wishing you strength.
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God damn, this may sound harsh - but I've never understood the mentality of women who stay with or are even attracted to guys like this in the first place. They always say, "Oh, he's always so good when he's not *slicing my throat with a box cutter* (replace that with any other manner of insane act), I just couldn't leave him!".
I mean, come on, what does it take? I think most people have been in love, but when someone commits that sort of act against you, can you really even believe they love you anymore?
And I don't care that he was high as fuck on ice when he did it, that is no fucking excuse. If you can't handle your drugs, don't do 'em.
Anyway, enough of my rant, you need to get her out of that relationship and get her some help or she's going to end up dead. This guy needs to end up dead or locked up for life, he's fucking insane. Can you not talk sense into her? Get her somewhere safe, seriously.
Man, this is really hard to write but if it helps somebody its worth it. This is what gives me hope--that there are more guys than not that don't "get it". (Big compliment, not sarcasm). This topic is still painful decades later, but the best way I know to explain the "mentality" of abused women speaking from experience is this: it doesn't happen overnight...it starts with "small" stuff like. "Oh you're over-reacting, you on the rag again?" and other demeaning comments. Then cutting down and eventually making it a choice between the woman's relationships with friends and family OR the guy she thinks she loves. After a certain point, you rely on and believe the BS because as Z said, you've been conditioned for quite a while. I found myself constantly defending my actions & opinions.
It didn't occur to me that I had the right to say "screw you if you don't like my opinion". Hand to god, when nothing else was "wrong", I got backhanded for chewing a sandwich too loudly. By then I had no friends and my family knew not to contact me much because "he'd be upset". Messed up? Oh yeah... I thank god i found a friend who refused to be driven off/disgusted by the "unseemly situation" and w/her & her hubby's help, I was able to start to "hear" reality. It took her telling me over and over and over again that I didn't deserve that life. It's hard to believe when you've been beat down for so long.
It's all about bring isolated and having no other perspective. I hate to say it about the police, but yes a call should be made (& prolly to CPS too unless you can legally keep your grandbaby away Bama). Having said that, the reality still today with domestic violence is the victim is often put on trial so to speak. Especially with CPS. Some legal attitudes have changed, but spend a day hanging around a Family Court & watch and listen. It's still something that can go either way, depending on the attitudes of the police, judge etc.
I know this is a really hard place to be--whatever you do Bama, try to make sure your grand baby is safe first. I think someone mentioned if you know the guys routine, maybe try to come up with a plan around that. Like if he's going to be gone for most of the day, call the police anonymously while he's gone to get help for the baby (& your daughter too if she'll accept it). Fwiw, I got the first protective order the day my daughter turned two weeks old--hoping hard your daughter will find the strength to get out for her child's sake if not her own. Still praying for all of you.
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So now she's back out there smokin speed and you're stuck with her daughter?
God Damn I can't imagine cutting a girl's throat then having her right back with me, all bandaged up, a few days later. Doesn't compute.
You need to tell on the guy, stat!
Just call it in. If she gets hemmed up with him on some drugs-related shit then so be it. It won't be much trouble for her. I can forsee them dropping the drugs charges in exchange for her testifying against him for ABDUCTION and ATTEMPTED MURDER big time.
But if she stays with him, smoking that damnable stuff, no telling what horrors might occur. Do it for Joss, at the very least, but also for your daughter and all the women that this freak might encounter in the rest of his miserable, short life.
Because eventually, if he hasn't found it in you, he's gonna find the wrong one, and it'll be curtains for him, or at least 20 years in a prison, watchin' TV an' playin spades, pinochle and scrabble and shit (scratch the Scrabble - he don't sound to intelligent).
Oh, and I've been at the business end of a protective order before too, except my ex was crazy as a bat and lied through her fuckin teeth on the affidavit saying she was "afraid I would shoot her," and that "I was shooting up our baby with drugs." Since they didn't have a shred of proof about the baby/drugs thing, they didn't prosecute, but they DID grant the protective order, which quashed my concealed carry permit, and this crazy bitch called the COPS on me for DUI once, ended up getting me arrested and doing 10 days in jail for that. That DUI snitch thing was before the protective order, and I had a loaded .44 mag in my backpack in the passenger seat, along with a bottle of cheap vodka. When I told the lady cop that I had a weapon in the car, she asked if it was loaded, I was like "of course it's loaded!"
That gun ended up in some cop's collection no doubt, although the official line on it was that it was "destroyed" in October 2010. RIP one Ruger Blackhawk.
Fucking cops, but they do serve a purpose.
But in cases like this, where there's a clear need for law enforcement intervention, then I say pull out all the stops.
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Sometimes, cause y'all are truly my only friends and confidantes, I forget that y'all don't know all the common details about me. I guess that's a good and bad thing.
As for Joss, my granddaughter, I've had legal custody of her since she was 9 mos. old. We pulled her out of a very dangerous situation. My daughter seems to seek those out. So she is in no danger.
My daughter is supposed to go to my mother's this afternoon sometime. I have no other information. She cut me out quite some time ago, so I have no idea where she lives or where to begin looking. When she was here she was adamant about her course of action. As I am adamant about mine. As soon as she gets to my mother's, I will call the sheriff. Until then, I have nowhere to send them, not even a phone number to trace tower pings. The guy smashed them all after deciding K was the police. This is where the snitch part comes in, I'm not in the least concerned about ratting this guy out, cause as everyone said and I agree, this is not snitching. But someone told him that K was snitching, so he decided to get rid of the rat. Makes no sense, as she was doing the deals too.. he is just crazy as a shithouse rat. And yes I do worry about the next person he decides needs dead. Especially if it is K again.
As far as I understand, these two were not in a relationship. It is a long term friendship. Since elementary school. So it's not even battered spouse. TBH I don't know what it is. That's why I said what I did about a death wish. All the things you all have said are right and true, and what would be normal under these circumstances, is beyond effed up! I'm just waiting and praying I hear from her this evening. If not I will go to the sheriff with his name. And pray he doesn't hear about it before she gets out.
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Holy fuck Such assholes in this world . I'm sorry you all must endure this hell. Hopefully dudes legs get accidentally smashed with a sledgehammer.
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I know this is horrible news and apologise on behalf of the tweakers ... there are many, many "meth-tragics" out there but not all of them.
... plus, it's an embarrassment.
people all make the same mistake of taking too much, too soon ... the drug can be used as a catalyst for evil deeds (by giving unwaranted motivation and courage -- and even perhaps getting the blame for the whole thing (weak fools)); therein lies the problem.
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No worries Chipper, I spent enough years in active addiction to know all users aren't the same. Although that drug is the harshest when it comes to creating terrible people I know they aren't all terrible.
I never heard from her tonight so tomorrow I start an all out posse, old western style serve for her and eventually her attacker. I won't be stupid about it but I need more information than "someone took a box cutter to my kids throat". And thinking about how she said it went down, if this really did take place in Ga., will my local authorities even touch it? Good grief I don't want to think anymore tonight.
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I am going to derail this thread slightly, but its for Bama-PG:
The avatar I made you is too big, and it is getting clipped, so I made two smaller versions for you to try.
MEDIUM SQUIRREL
(https://forum.drugs-and-users.org/gallery/1176_09_11_15_1_02_25.gif)
SMALL SQUIRREL
(https://forum.drugs-and-users.org/gallery/1176_09_11_15_1_03_05.gif)
Bama-PG: try the MEDIUM sized one first. If its still too large, then use the SMALL one.
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;) Gotchya! Thanks sweet Morfy!
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Wow
Just wow
I REALLY hope there is something
You can do for your daughter
I've seen my sister
Go thru similar shit
Like having a gun put to her head
And no this is in no way
Snitching
I wish you and your daughter
The very best
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God damn, this may sound harsh - but I've never understood the mentality of women who stay with or are even attracted to guys like this in the first place. They always say, "Oh, he's always so good when he's not *slicing my throat with a box cutter* (replace that with any other manner of insane act), I just couldn't leave him!".
I mean, come on, what does it take? I think most people have been in love, but when someone commits that sort of act against you, can you really even believe they love you anymore?
And I don't care that he was high as fuck on ice when he did it, that is no fucking excuse. If you can't handle your drugs, don't do 'em.
Anyway, enough of my rant, you need to get her out of that relationship and get her some help or she's going to end up dead. This guy needs to end up dead or locked up for life, he's fucking insane. Can you not talk sense into her? Get her somewhere safe, seriously.
Man, this is really hard to write but if it helps somebody its worth it. This is what gives me hope--that there are more guys than not that don't "get it". (Big compliment, not sarcasm). This topic is still painful decades later, but the best way I know to explain the "mentality" of abused women speaking from experience is this: it doesn't happen overnight...it starts with "small" stuff like. "Oh you're over-reacting, you on the rag again?" and other demeaning comments. Then cutting down and eventually making it a choice between the woman's relationships with friends and family OR the guy she thinks she loves. After a certain point, you rely on and believe the BS because as Z said, you've been conditioned for quite a while. I found myself constantly defending my actions & opinions.
It didn't occur to me that I had the right to say "screw you if you don't like my opinion". Hand to god, when nothing else was "wrong", I got backhanded for chewing a sandwich too loudly. By then I had no friends and my family knew not to contact me much because "he'd be upset". Messed up? Oh yeah... I thank god i found a friend who refused to be driven off/disgusted by the "unseemly situation" and w/her & her hubby's help, I was able to start to "hear" reality. It took her telling me over and over and over again that I didn't deserve that life. It's hard to believe when you've been beat down for so long.
It's all about bring isolated and having no other perspective. I hate to say it about the police, but yes a call should be made (& prolly to CPS too unless you can legally keep your grandbaby away Bama). Having said that, the reality still today with domestic violence is the victim is often put on trial so to speak. Especially with CPS. Some legal attitudes have changed, but spend a day hanging around a Family Court & watch and listen. It's still something that can go either way, depending on the attitudes of the police, judge etc.
I know this is a really hard place to be--whatever you do Bama, try to make sure your grand baby is safe first. I think someone mentioned if you know the guys routine, maybe try to come up with a plan around that. Like if he's going to be gone for most of the day, call the police anonymously while he's gone to get help for the baby (& your daughter too if she'll accept it). Fwiw, I got the first protective order the day my daughter turned two weeks old--hoping hard your daughter will find the strength to get out for her child's sake if not her own. Still praying for all of you.
Thanks for the response, it helps shed a little light on the situation. Not sure it fully makes sense to me, but I guess that makes sense considering I'm not a woman and have never been in that situation.
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Well, she is at my mothers right now. I am giving her time to settle in a but then I'm gonna go talk to her about having the bastard arrested. Here's hoping she has compassion for herself and the next person. I haven't seen her so I don't have any more info than I did before.
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She's obviously suffering from battered spouse syndrome .Throw addiction in and she's not going to listen.
I rarely say this,but calling the cops(poor as police response often is to domestic abuse) would be the way to go. This isn't someone giving your daughter a beating,this sounds frighteningly like attempted murder.It's not just the cut throat,it's this happening in a remote place with no witnesses. This was pre-planned,attempted murder.
I'd call the cops and worry about my relationship with my daughter later.
bUT, this is you choice alone-much luck to both you and your daughter with whatever you decide.
This IS attempted murdr. I wouldn't think twice about calling the cops , at least on the "street ethics" that say you don't snitch. What is more important, your daughter's life or being called a snitch?
Snitching is dropping a dime on somebody whop's holding or a small time deal, not a throught -slicer.
Cops will get hard-on's to put this guy in cuffs and if he is that crazy on ice he might just offer a confession and he will be locked up in jail or a nut house fora very long time. I know most of us don't care for cops and we all know they have gotten out of control lately but things like this is why we do need cops.
Don't go after him yourself or with a "posse" that could backfire and you or one of your crew could get hurt or go to jail. Find a sympathetic lawyer and arrange to meet detectives away from the station and if your daughter won't come along bring photos of the wound. GIve them her BF's name, address, phone number and anything else that might hep them find him. If he's not on the run he will be in jail by the end of the wek and they may not grant him an affordable bail.
This may actually be what it takes to save your daughter's life and if not hers, his next girlfriend's... and you could have stopped it.
Sorry to sound judgemental or unympathetic but this is one of those things that justify telling the cops. Also for serious crimes like this the DA can prosecute even w/o the consent of the victim so she can't just "drop the charges" at best she could perjure herself at trial and say someone else did it in a bar fight but that won't hold up. She'd have to be screaming about "You got the wrong guy" and if you testify and say she is in his thrall and lying to protect him he'll go. And he should.
Wishing you strength.
I've had a couple very in-depth discussions with OG's, younger dudes, relatives IN prison and people I knew from the game and EVERY single person I spoke to agreed with what I'll echo here: it's not worth committing a violent crime with your own hands and end up doing long bid yourself, just to differ some other piece of shit's (inevitable) jail sentence. It is NOT against the "code" to send one of these cocksuckers away.
Bama, you are obviously a man of IMMENSE understanding and patience...because reading that original post alone was enough to elevate my blood pressure and adrenaline to the point I could feel the shit pulsing through my forehead...fuck. I'm sorry you're dealing with this. Please keep us updated and dont be scared to vent...just do yourself a favor and don't empty the meat out of this motherfuckers taco.
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Bama, you are obviously a man of IMMENSE understanding and patience...because reading that original post alone was enough to elevate my blood pressure and adrenaline to the point I could feel the shit pulsing through my forehead...
Fuck at this point even seeing the title on the Recent Posts page elevates my blood pressure...
(PS Biggie I think Bama is a woman)
So glad the daughter is at grandma's now. I'm sure that is at least some relief, even if its not resolution.
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the drugs compels you to act prior to thinking an act out rationally.
another reason for all this outrageous behaviour.
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http://www.katu.com/news/local/98058764.html
This is what happened here because of meth. I knew and grew up with both Paul and Jim. We were brothers close... and then meth. You can find out all the details searching google.
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meth just appeals to the wrong crowd. fucking dangerous and scary drug it is, too.
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What a horror story, meth truly is almost PCP-like in how it can make people behave like total psycho's.
On the subject of getting cops involved, if that happened to my daughter I definitely would. If this happened once it could happen again, this is definitely at least attempted manslaughter imo.
I'm kinda glad crystal meth is so unavailable in Belgium. I have tried a couple grams and it really blows the speed from here (regular amph) out of the water. Much more addictive especially smoking it and much more psychosis-inducing.
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What type of amphetamine are you accustomed to in Belgium? Straight amp-tablets (like Adderall) or Dexedrine? (which is my personal fave).
Slamming some Ritalin is second-to-none though. Prolly shouldn't have told you that.
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I'm relieved to hear that your daughter is at your mother's house, Bama. At least she's temporarily safe there.
I echo everyone else when I say that involving the police in this matter is NOT snitching. It seems to me that whenever the police are mentioned to addicts the automatic reaction is negative. "Oh no, you can't involve the cops, that's snitching!" I say bullshit on that. The police, as corrupt and ineffectual as they are at times, DO serve a purpose. One of which is to ass-rape pieces of shit like this guy.
If you form a posse and serve him some street justice, please at least try to take a box cutter to his junk. Make it so that he isn't sexually feasible for anyone anymore, female or male. Slice up his face too to permanently mark him. Maybe carve the word ASSHOLE or ABUSER or MURDERER into his forehead so the scars will forever mark him. That's what I'd try to do. Yes, I'm sadistic when it comes to thundercunts like him.
I'd definitely call the cops. Tell them whatever you can to help them apprehend this douche. Make him suffer. He deserves it.
As for your daughter, you're gonna have to de-program her unfortunately. Ditto on the programming and conditioning. It's just the same as if she were inducted into a cult IMO. If she won't help herself, you've got every right to do so for her.
Much luck, and stay strong. Hopefully this will all end soon, and end in a way that's beneficial and equitable to you, your daughter, and your granddaughter. Fuck him hard and with no lube. Make his ass bleed.
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the drugs compels you to act prior to thinking an act out rationally.
another reason for all this outrageous behaviour.
I tend to believe that the "act" was already somewhat there (in the person's head) and the drug kind of just pushed it to the forefront. I don't care how much meth I did, I don't think I'd ever slice someone's throat because of it.
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Just dropping in quickly to thank everyone for their support and to let yall know she is still sleeping and doing the come down. I will wait patiently for her to decide to do the best thing for the person that did this (make sure he goes under the jailhouse). But if she chooses to go back to this lifestyle I will have them both arrested (she has warrants) cause there's only one reason she would go back now. To get high. And he is deadly to get high around. But still waiting to see if she will do it on her own. Then I am looking into a long term (one year) intensive program for women to help her get her life straight.
Another thing I've been thinking hard about. I've put in here somewhere that this was a long term friend, not a bf necessarily. I'm beginning to think after conversations I've had with both of them that he may have been obsessing over her. And he has seen her in multiple relationships. I think maybe when he finally got her close enough, he gave her a place to hang her hat, that maybe she said she was gonna leave and he freaked. Not sure, just a thought.
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you have to be understanding about the cravings at this juncture.
i'd be wanting to get on too - ANYTHING to head off crushing depression and overwhelming fatigue that come into play at day 3 or 4 after last using.
this is what you're up against ... just so you know ... keep your expectations realistic; maybe she can score elsewhere ?
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you have to be understanding about the cravings at this juncture.
i'd be wanting to get on too - ANYTHING to head off crushing depression and overwhelming fatigue that come into play at day 3 or 4 after last using.
this is what you're up against ... just so you know ... keep your expectations realistic; maybe she can score elsewhere ?
God almighty--as a parent that's really hard to hear. But, I think you're right Chipper. Realistic & reasonable expectations and boundaries makes sense in this sort of chaos. Thanks for pointing it out; as a parent it wouldn't be my first thought, but it makes perfect sense.
@Bama--check your email-hope it gives you a smile :). Hope you're doing ok with the pain from all the "extra" & hanging in there best you can. Joss is a lucky baby!
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https://www.ted.com/talks/leslie_morgan_steiner_why_domestic_violence_victims_don_t_leave?language=en
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I'm glad she is in a safe place.
I feel like I need to say that rehab has a low success rate when the person is forced into it. Try to be understanding of the many complex issues that are tangled together here. I can't say what is right for you, but please consider all of the options.
Sending your daughter off to jail could have long term repercussions for your relationship. Even if it is justified and understandable you need to think about it from all sides.
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All the best wisher to you sweetheart! Pray to jesus and things should be ok! Wait...
You've been warned to stop trolling riddick. Be sympathetic or don't post in this thread.
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Best of luck with your situation, one I'm all too familiar with since the Meth holocaust swept the south.
I can't add to the good advice you been given, all I got to say is good choice on the .45 and I would have the cops at least familiar with the situation prior to you having to use it. It's always easier to explain stuff like that when your ears ain't still ringing.
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What type of amphetamine are you accustomed to in Belgium? Straight amp-tablets (like Adderall) or Dexedrine? (which is my personal fave).
Slamming some Ritalin is second-to-none though. Prolly shouldn't have told you that.
We used to have Dexedrine a couple years ago, but sadly it is no longer prescribed. It has been taken off the official med list too. So it's speed pasta (dextro and levo, in different mixes) as a hard drug or Ritalin if you want to go the Rx way.
I almost lost my legs by IV'ing Ritalin and dope concoctions into my femoral before I got clean... I find dextroamph to be the superior drug both recreational and medicinal though. Sad thing Adderall doesn't exist over here...
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I'd just like to add
That I'm glad your daughter
Is safe.
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All the best wisher to you sweetheart! Pray to jesus and things should be ok! Wait...
You've been warned to stop trolling riddick. Be sympathetic or don't post in this thread.
Your attempts to ridicule me for what I believe are woefully inadequate and a pretty pathetic place to interject them if you ask me. My 17 year old daughter, who happens to be a self-ascribed atheist, could (and has) come up with better than that. But she wouldn't use this situation as a foil for an ambush like you attempted. Because she's human and has a heart.
As for the situation with my daughter, she is up and moving around but has vocalized that she doesn't wish to see me. Perhaps she feels I will pressure her to make a decision about contacting the police. And she may be right, but for now I will just let her heal. Joss is accustomed to long absences so I'm not having to explain anything right now. K is looking into some facilities so I am hoping she is ready. Perhaps where ever she goes they will encourage her to make part of her recovery getting justice for this violent act.
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All the best wisher to you sweetheart! Pray to jesus and things should be ok! Wait...
You've been warned to stop trolling riddick. Be sympathetic or don't post in this thread.
Your attempts to ridicule me for what I believe are woefully inadequate and a pretty pathetic place to interject them if you ask me. My 17 year old daughter, who happens to be a self-ascribed atheist, could (and has) come up with better than that. But she wouldn't use this situation as a foil for an ambush like you attempted. Because she's human and has a heart.
As for the situation with my daughter, she is up and moving around but has vocalized that she doesn't wish to see me. Perhaps she feels I will pressure her to make a decision about contacting the police. And she may be right, but for now I will just let her heal. Joss is accustomed to long absences so I'm not having to explain anything right now. K is looking into some facilities so I am hoping she is ready. Perhaps where ever she goes they will encourage her to make part of her recovery getting justice for this violent act.
I wasnt ridiculing you at all. I was just saying how hoping and praying and getting best wishes wont do much. I can see how you took it like that if you really think a prayer will fix this for you. If you do then ok. I was just trying to say that taking aggressive action would probably be better. But its just an opinion. If you dont like it cool. And I seem to be more human than that guy she refuses to leave is.
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All the best wisher to you sweetheart! Pray to jesus and things should be ok! Wait...
You've been warned to stop trolling riddick. Be sympathetic or don't post in this thread.
Your attempts to ridicule me for what I believe are woefully inadequate and a pretty pathetic place to interject them if you ask me. My 17 year old daughter, who happens to be a self-ascribed atheist, could (and has) come up with better than that. But she wouldn't use this situation as a foil for an ambush like you attempted. Because she's human and has a heart.
As for the situation with my daughter, she is up and moving around but has vocalized that she doesn't wish to see me. Perhaps she feels I will pressure her to make a decision about contacting the police. And she may be right, but for now I will just let her heal. Joss is accustomed to long absences so I'm not having to explain anything right now. K is looking into some facilities so I am hoping she is ready. Perhaps where ever she goes they will encourage her to make part of her recovery getting justice for this violent act.
I wasnt ridiculing you at all. I was just saying how hoping and praying and getting best wishes wont do much. I can see how you took it like that if you really think a prayer will fix this for you. If you do then ok. I was just trying to say that taking aggressive action would probably be better. But its just an opinion. If you dont like it cool. And I seem to be more human than that guy she refuses to leave is.
This is the kind of thing where the phrase, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.", really applies.
Regardless of your beliefs, you don't need to tear down Bama for hers. Pointing out how little prayer or hoping will do is just a dick move and there is really no need for it here - it just causes hurt.
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Any one with any sense
Would offer their best
To you Bama
Cuz that's all we CAN do
So fucktards whose mother
Didn't raise with
An ounce of politeness
Can gtfo
Fuck that noise
I'm so fucking sick of this ass
You do and say to women
Are the type of things
Someone who would do exactly
What that guy did to her daughter
And tell them it's their fault
#shouldn'thavewornthatdress
#chipperitsabouttime
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Wow. I am so sorry for your daughter and you.
This guy sounds like he needs buckshot to both kneecaps while tied up and left to bleed out.
As always though, this has a high chance of the person delivering justice receiving a long time inside if not life... Unfortunately.
Send this motherfucker to jail or spike his meth with cyanide of a shitload of fent.
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Just wanted to post an update, K has been doing fair at mom and dads. Her neck has healed very well with a pretty gnarly scar and scab still left. When the grand baby saw it she didn't freak out but it unnerved her a bit. I just found out today that K went to a celebrate meeting fri and hasn't been back yet. But according to mom she has been in contact, not that that means anything, she has talked to me in the middle of shooting before. But all we can do is hope, she hasn't been around the guy since a couple weeks ago. Here's hoping that's a thing of the past. She swears it wasn't him and without her to attest to it nothing can be done legally. Thank you all for your kindness, especially S&W, 10kites, Kat and ALL of yall that boosted me up over the last month or so. It's been a bumpy ride and I'm hoping for some very calm holidays. I know, that's ridiculous, but a girl can dream ;) . Okay take care, I'm off to check email and such. G'nite ~ Lissa
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Hey Bama--thanks for the new update. Fingers crossed for K. I hope you're feeling better physically & fwiw, it's so ok to "dream" for holidays - doing same ;) & hope *everybody* has a good Turkey Day; we all deserve it :) will shoot you an email tomorrow cuz just wiped out, but ENJOY the ever living heck out of Thanksgiving & treasure the good stuff as much as you can, ok? Big hugs & as always, give that baby a smooch for me lol. Talk soon!