Has Anybody Used the Darkweb to Any Extent ?

[Chip (OP)]

... and is it quasi-legal or what ?

I have heard much about it but am totally ignorant.

[Güey]

Quasi-legal??? Well, that depends what yer buying :-)

I have not used it, but I did quite a bit of research on it recently. I wanted to try ECP, as I've never even seen it.

So, keep in mind I'm not at all computer savvy. I downloaded TOR, looked into buying bitcoins, got a wallet, got PGP.... and I think I woulda been okay, but ya know that saying about a little bit of knowledge. being a dangerous thing? Well, I wasn't really absolutely 100% sure I was doing it all safely, so I decided against it... Plus, its so easy to score where I live, I just didn't see the point, myself.

Id also add that I would've only ordered domestically. Packages that go across borders receive a whole helluva lot more scrutiny than domestic parcels.

But as I said, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Id love to hear from some other people, though...

[Chip (OP)]

thanks Guey, as the webmaster who uses the internet to run the site, i cannot attempt it myself as it may jeopardise my credibility re. solicitation, for one.

... but yeah, i'll still do the IRL method 

... and would love to hear more user experiences, too.

[neighbor]

It's legal as long as what you're buying is legal. Everything is sold, from books to guns.

If I could score easily locally I would, but honestly, its now way too easy to get very high quality drugs at a more than reasonable price delivered to my mailbox overnight.

Nevermind the fact that I have the opportunity to 'research' all the drugs I've heard of and wanted to try but have never even seen, things like opium, oxymorphone, moroccan hash, etc etc.

[Chip (OP)]

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It's legal as long as what you're buying is legal. Everything is sold, from books to guns ... <snip>

aha - there's my problem, right there 

[Narkotikon]

I seriously looked into Darkweb vendors about two years ago.  I was reading all those stories on that other board.  I downloaded TOR, created an account on SR (prior to it being taken down) and loved looking at all the ads and yummy pics.  I was drooling.  I would have ordered, but I found Bitcoins to be too intimidating for my very limited computer skills.

The easiest way used to be BitInstant IMO.  Unfortunately, that was shut down a few weeks before I contemplated ordering.  There are IRC rooms where you can buy Bitcoins, but I would have a hard time trusting some of those people.  You can also buy Bitcoins locally using a website.  It basically lets you search for people in your area that have Bitcoins they want to sell, then you agree on a price and arrange a place to meet, and you do it that way.  If you live in Canada or Europe, or maybe even some other places, there are even ATM-like machines where you can buy Bitcoins easily.  That's not available in the US to my knowledge. 

If anyone's considering doing this, I wouldn't use SR 3.0 or whatever it's called.  At least not since I last heard (six months ago).  They've been infiltrated / taken down by the gov.  Their admins stole account members Bitcoins.  They've just had a lot of problems.  I wouldn't trust buying there, even if it's still up and running.  There are other Darkweb markets one could use. 

Other than more esoteric drugs, the only thing I'd want to order would be high-quality fishscale, some Opana / Oxymorphone pills, and maybe some Ecstasy.  I've not rolled in 13 years, so that might be fun to relive.

If you just want benzos, Special K, certain opiates, or some other pharms, I'd suggest using an IOP (International Online Pharmacy).  There are some good ones out there.  There's also a forum called ioplist.com where people rank and discuss different vendors and IOPs.  If you join, be prepared b/c they can be odd, and they have some quirky rules (new members can't post more than 5 posts per day, etc.).

I last ordered from an IOP at the end of 2013.  I got vials of Special K, Valium, Xanax, Clonotril (Indian banana-flavored Klonopin), and Phenobarbital.  They all were legit and worked.  The Special K was great, as were the benzos.  The only thing I wouldn't order again was the Phenobarb.  They worked, but just weren't my cup of tea.  If I were to order again, I'd get more Special K, and some rarer benzos like Dormicum (midazolam), Halcion (triazolam), and some Restoril (temazepam).

   

[Güey]

Banana flavored K-pins??? Yummy! ha-ha

About the bitcoin atms- when I was researching recently, I saw that there were a few in my city. About half a dozen, if I remember correctly...

[Narkotikon]

Bitcoin ATMs -- Awesome!

Banana-flavored K-pins -- Yeah, they tasted delish.  They came in either .5mg or 2mg.  I got the 2mg.  They were also dispersible / dissolving.  Under the tongue worked great ;-)

[_Enduser]

Nah, the prices of the darkweb just don't make sense to me......

Why do hard drugs if you aren't gonna risk getting locked up?  It seems like an easy statement, but just think about it........

The reason I got into hard drugs was for the WHOLE experience, cold copping on the corner, getting served by D Boys, surveying America's forgotten neighborhoods and indexing it's industrial past, the abandonment of proletariat communities etc.

[makita]

_Enduser after what happened last week you're like a poster child for the advantages of the dark net (btw its deep web, or dark net, not dark web, n00bs )  You should do an op-ed.

Anyone who is looking into this and has questions, the best resource I can recommend is the reddit subforum Dark Net Markets Noobs:

http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarketsNoobs

There is a huge amount of collective knowledge and things have changed somewhat over the last year or so after the fall of the original SR.  That sub is the best place I know of to find the most relevant info, where you will be treated with patience even when you ask dumb questions.  Lots of simple stickies and tutorials there as well.

One specific thing to keep in mind: the avoidance of prosecution from buying illegal drugs this way is basically down to a numbers game, kind of like buying on the street in the Tenderloin: too many people and too little reward to bother going after users for the most part, although it DOES happen, the percentages compared to the total number of users is miniscule.  And just like how you never go cop in the TL on Tuesday afternoons (or whatever), and you try to only buy from familiar faces there, and you keep an eye out for the jump out boys' white SUV....there are little ways you can lower your chances of trouble from the dark net even further. 

[Cee]

Apart from downloading the TOR software, "no not really".

However did do some very interesting reading on it in TIME magazine. That's where I first heard about it.

He's a link to the article which may shed some light on what it's all about.

http://time.com/630/the-secret-web-where-drugs-porn-and-murder-live-online/

[Chip (OP)]

Thank You HEAPS for that Time article - it answered many of the questions i had about the concepts involved.here

But as a lifelong IT guy, i do not believe in anonymity and even the tightest systems are only as good as their weakest, usually a human, link.

bitcoins are illegal if there isn't an acessable paper-trail.

all those new "hidden" sites may flourish --- until one idiot throws a spanner in the works.

[Chip (OP)]

i suggest that we discuss as little as possible the trade on Darkweb.

can't be too careful.

there is no true anonymity if you keep online.

[OpiXPO]

TOR isn't anonymous, most government s have control over both entry and exit nodes. Explaining it simply, they can use this along with other information to find out your location. Australia is particularly good at this, they've had arrests just by looking at who in their country is using TOR and then watching your mail. Your ISP can also see if your using TOR as well even if your using a proxy, as the traffic source will still be from TOR's protocols.

If you use it for dark market shopping, be really fucking careful and vigilant with your opsec.

[Chip (OP)]

so no web crawlers or indexing systems access the Darkweb ?

Surely it's only a matter of time that transactions will be exposed.

I personally don't want to deal with using the postal system and score via. that medium.

I'd rather do the deal in person, the old fashioned analog drug acquisition method is for me.

less paper trail.