Good Old LSD

[Zoops (OP)]

LSD is a psychedelic par excellence.

That is all.

I have been sort of reminiscing about trips I took in college, with some friends, and totally bonded with those people. For a while at least.

Nothing like DMT, the atom bomb of psychedelics. Shrooms (psilocybin) and mescaline can be more intense in higher doses.

LSD's effects on the visual senses can be intense.  The hardest I've ever tripped on acid was seeing geometric patterns all over everything, paisleys, and especially "Aztec" type imagery. Like those faces and animals and shit. It's pretty while how your mind can create a picture that stays the same and it's literally like you're looking at a physical object. A painting at least, but it's weird becaue  it sort of hangs there above the surfaces, in a glowing,neon-colored, but almost misty appearance. Usually yellow, red and green colors too.

But its effects on the thought patterns of humans is more interesting. Ideas flow like water, it speeds up the thoughts and can send a user from euphoria to intense anxiety or fear in an instant.  Maintaining a nice set and setting is critical with LSD, as it lasts much longer than other psychedlics, at least 10 hours for the most intense part.  I think one should not have to do anything important for 24 hours post dose, at least 12 hours, or else is misusing the substance.

Also because on average it's a  12 hour investment in time, dosing people unbeknownst to them is NOT COOL.

So, anyone have any observations and recommendations about LSD and its use and things you've figured out while tripping?

This raises a question, how many of you all have access to real honest to God LSD? Anymore, it's usually some RC like one of those "NBome" compounds which are based on mescaline's structure - they are extremely potent phenethylamine psychedelics. LSD is unique because it is a combination of a tryptamine and a phenethylamine. Look at its structure.

This guy in town I buy weed from at $20 a gram, just bought 2g of weed for $40. I remember I could get quarters for $40 all the way until the late 90's. Nowadays, with all the boom in marijuana culture, prices have gone up. Average weed is not as potent anymore, I mean the stuff you can get for $40 a quarter is shittier than it used to be, I think . Only the "exotic" stuff is worth smoking. Loud.

Enough about marijuana.

anyways this guy said he has LSD tabs. Showed them to me. Yup it's blotter with little designs on it, lightning bolts and shit. I am very suspicious that it's some RC and not LSD, so I passed. I don't want to end up in an ambulance strapped down getting shot up with thorazine "for my own good." No thanks.

He wanted $15 a piece for these tabs. If it was genuine, and I knew it was for a fact, I might have bought some, for a special occasion that might never come. Like 4 of them.

I don't want to trip out by myself it's too scary. You need someone else around to keep things light anyway. Especially your girl. That can be almost transcendant. I got brainwased on LSD and sex with this girl named Suzie in college. Man that breakup was ROUGH lemme tell you.

I remember tripping at a couple raves in DC. Dancing into a real-live, official trance. All night long till the sun comes up in the morning. At about dawn once in the back patio of a rave at the infamous NATION club in DC, at about 5am, me and my buddy Chris were sitting next to one of the weirdos that was out at that hour, some fat Hispanic guy I have no idea how he ended up there, or maybe he wasn't even real, but we both saw him and heard him say something so I think he was real.

We were sitting there on this bench staring off into space, and this guy is sitting near up and says, "hey are you guys tired?" We, wide-eyed, looked at each other, then him, and were like "no."

To which he answered, "you guys must be on some major acid man." We laughed our asses off. Major acid man.

so anyways, should I believe that this guy has real acid. It might actually be worth it if it was real LSD. You just can't get good acid anymore. Sad face.

[Chip]

I remember the good acid days.

My favourite times were spent tripping in wooded forests and bushland.

I no longer yearn for it and agree that it's too overwhelming for any practical use.

I really doubt if there is any real acid left in this world but a little goes a long way.

You did the right thing saving your money and might as well save it for the right RCs.

[thetalkingasshole]

Plenty of real L down in Florida
Plenty of "real-live, official trance" events/shows/parties too

Ask him if it's from the fam
People who know about fam, good chance it's real
I'd be VERY skeptical of someone selling bud $20/G
I was getting "loud" 10/G and that's the average price
Any more than 15/G is kind of a fuck you price IMO


LSD was too much for me
Way too intense and felt alien to me
Mescaline and especially shrooms feels so... natural
Like I'm supposed to take it haha

[Dopeless Hopefiend]

Man, I did LSD more times than I can remember when I was young, like high school/college age. I (almost) always had a great time on it, but I agree with you TTA, shrooms always felt so much better to me. I definitely preferred to be outside if I was going to eat mushrooms though. I always wanted to be "one with nature" on them lol.
I can remember some crazy acid trips though. For some reason it always seemed like a fantastic idea to take little road trips on it. Never too far away or anything, maybe 2 hours or so away. One night we decided to drive to the beach right when we were peaking, and we kept having to pull off the highway because the visual hallucinations were so intense. I mean shit like seeing Dionne Warwick's face hovering in front of the windshield. It was a long drive to say the least. What would normally take maybe 90 minutes took us something like 5 hours. Good times lol. Once I started doing heroin I didn't really have time for other drugs. Well, except coke but they kind of went hand in hand for me. Never did mescaline or DMT or any other psychedelics really.

[MoeMentim]

Nice write-up Zoops.  In ways I like how acid effects the thinking - i dig the rapid stream of consciousness, the heavy "connections," and all good acid has this one: "i've got it!  it answers EVERYTHING!  i'm going to write all about it tommorow..."
I don't as much care for the way it more or less "takes over" your (my?) thinking.  i feel that i become irrational & not capable of using logic to process the experience.  I still function very well & can navigate the real world just fine, knowing that I'm on serious drugs & that these "special effects" (that's what i call hallucinogens sometimes.  ie: "sure could i go for some special effects right about now...") are separate from myself in the real world.  the next day there is no access to it, the connections are all gone because the drug mixes up the thinking as much as it does the senses.  people who write out, while tripping, all that "this will make the history of human thought obsolete" stuff inevitably find it gibberish the next day.  not saying that it is jibberish.  could be the truth but we (i) cannot evaluate either experience (daily life/acid) while in the other. 

  The experience is fun (usually), or rather, usually most of the experience is fun.  I'd definitely do it again if i knew it real & clean.  maybe i should move a little south to boulder, haha.  i prefer to do acid either by myself or with one other experienced person.  More so than other special effects, set and setting are key, nature is always good but i've done everything from work (uh, dumb idea) to drive (seriously fucking stupid idea, even for a 17 year old) on it.

  I don't think it has a lot of theraputic or medicinal value compared to other psychedelics, at least not in the full experience.  I suspect it could be legitimately useful in a micro-dosing scenario.  if you've not looked into micro-dosing hallucinogens, do so, it's interesting.  funny thing - i did that with a quarter of mushrooms in the mid ninties - just on a hunch, hadn't heard of anyone else doing it. i just knew i always felt better for a while after any trip.  i think i took something like .1 gram every third day, just eyeballed. i remember it really helping my depression & more so restoring creativity/productivity.  might look into it again in the future if my depression meds stop working or i want to change things up. 

 

[Zoops (OP)]

I experimented with micro-dosing of 2C-E (4-ethyl-2,5-dimethoxy)-phenyl-ethylamine, using like 2.5-3.0mg every morning, with prodigious amounts of coffee and sometimes also about 15 or 20 morning glory seeds, found in a large patche of them right outside my house at the time. I had seeds to munch on in the morning going to work, with my coffee, using micro dosing of just morning glory seeds also, for mood lift and energy burst.

2C-E was like being all energized in a still-tired way. Stuff was like it was underwater sometimes, like things started moving slowly, in only very subtle ways it's hard to describe. But it made me more energetic too. I was still getting plenty of sleep or I would have been tired, I think I should add. I couldn't use this stuff in place of sleep. It just makes you feel like you're more energetic but you're not really I guess.

Yeah, micro dosing of LSD? not so much. I don't know about that, especially if I might actually be using bromo-dragonfly or some other weird shit, and I have a completely uncontrollable, unannounced, mental psycho freakout, with or without tonic clonic myoclonus, status epilepticus and/ or rabdomyolysis  and toxic uremia due to renal injury, or possible agranulocytosis bone marrow injury.

I bought some bk-MMDMA, which supposedly ought to be a sweet ass drug, sort of like a trippier version of ecstasy, since it's just an extra methoxy group on methylones structure, that should be almost just like methylone. But that stuff made me all stiff, like my muscles were tensing all by themselves, for like 9 hours during the peak of it, my mental thoughts were racing like a weird fast movie. It was like all confusing and scary like I was in a heigtened state of extreme mental duress and am tripping at the same time. My whole body was sore the next day, for like 2 or 3 days afterwards. So I know it worked my muscles out. That's what can cause the breakdown of muscle tissue, called rhabdomyolysis. Muscle tissue breakdown from being constantly in a flexed state for extended periods of time, under nerve stimulus cause by hallucinogenic phenethylamines, due to their similarity to epinephrine, the fight or flight hormone. The nitrogen builldup in the blood causes the kidneys to be overwhelmed so they are injured as well, which causes more problems metabolism-wise.

I don't think that RC was what it was advertised to be. it was probably some watered down chlorinated adrenalin or something crazy like that.

People just don't appreciate how certain drugs that might seem harmless. You think oh "it's just a psychedelic"
but that nice trip can turn into death easily, in so many ways, other than their being extremely potent hallucinogens.

So, no thanks.

[40mgtofreedom]

i picked up 50 hits earlier this summer for $75 and just bought 50 more for $80, trust-in-us jor #5 100ug but i think it might be 120ug or higher

plenty of cheap L on alphabay no need to pay 15 a hit

[Chip]

Wow ! That's a bargain and I love the artwork too.

No LSD in Australia that I know of but then, I'm hardly well connected to that scene so I may be wrong.

I saw a guy on TV that took 80 hits at once in an effort to OD and he reckons that it took a while to come right and was institutionalised for a while.

[Zoops (OP)]

What's alphabay?

Love the Albert Hoffmann $100 bill tabs.

[Tainted]

i took acid my first time 10 years ago and have since taken it quite a bit. the talking assholes right about the fam, but if you wanna find real L, all you need to do is look up furthur, phil lesh and friends, dead and company, find a show date near you and hit up the parking lot scene. ive never been sold bunk blotter at a dead show. im sure its out there and im wary of who i buy it from, but ive only gotten fake blotter one time (at a Dark Side of the Moon cover band show, first time i tried buying L) and it was just blank paper nothing on it no substances. every time ive gotten L , as far as i can tell, its been L. I know the effects well enough and its always been L, never an RC, but I don't really seek it out much outside the grateful dead scene because the price is always minimum $10 a hit, $700 a sheet, quality is medicore, and the risk of getting blank paper is higher.


personally, I don't seem to get the same visuals EVERYONE else does. Don't get me wrong, I get visuals on a decent dose (3 hits of decent to strong L) but i only get some geometric patterning, colors seem vivid, but thats it. some of the trip reports ive read online, shit, what friends have told me after we tripped together (Same batch same dose) they see shit like they take a shower and the water coming out is rainbow colored. I get slight distortions in my perception of everything, colors seem more vivid, i get those very distinct geometric patterning, but the higher i raise my dose, the visuals dont get more intense like they do for other people, i just get more mindfucked.

thats another thing, i get more debitiltated than most people from L. it makes everyones thoughts race, but i get much less able to interact with people at all,e ven on a real low dose of good blotter, i cant carry a conversation , but all my friends seem able to. i get more mind fucked, stuck in my head. in a way im like that with all drugs, but its WAY more pronounced on L. Every trip is different, some trips it isn't quite like that, I'm not sure why.

also, its very rare i trip alone, or if i do, its because me and a few friends bought a sheet at a dead show nice and cheap and all got 25-35 hits each, all of us having done L minimum of several dozen times, so thats how im sure its always L and why im ranking my experiences as different than the norm. i cant chalk it up to dosage because most of the time im taking it with friends who have roughly the same experience w/ psychedelics as me, same dose, same batch, etc. but they're able to like call their parents and have a conversation without them having a clue hteir under the influence of anything, whereas i can't even respond with more than a couple words if someone talks to me.

Plenty of real L down in Florida
Plenty of "real-live, official trance" events/shows/parties too

Ask him if it's from the fam
People who know about fam, good chance it's real
I'd be VERY skeptical of someone selling bud $20/G
I was getting "loud" 10/G and that's the average price
Any more than 15/G is kind of a fuck you price IMO


LSD was too much for me
Way too intense and felt alien to me
Mescaline and especially shrooms feels so... natural
Like I'm supposed to take it haha

ive actually had trouble finding L in fl, but thats because ive always tended towards dead shows, and they play the north east a HELL of a lot more than FL. but i still get up north for festivals and shows and got friends who can mail me shit or come down and visit for shows.

pricewise, normal everyday street price i see (i say street but it can be HARD to find) is $10/hit, $90 a ten strip, maybe 600-750 a sheet. but after getting into the dead and the scene, i dont normally pay more than 300-400 for a sheet and its normally very very high quality. can get a book or a bible (whatever you wanna call it, ten sheets, a thousand hits) for 2k, sometimes even 1700, although even throwing down with a few friends ive never personally been able to get down on that much.

[mjb]

Ive gotten bunk L when i was 13 other than that it was either from the fam which was good but pricey or id get liquid viles and do eye drops. HOLY SHIT!!! Liquid or micro is the way to go especially if u understand ots just a drug and u learn to control ur trip just remember it will end eventually so make the best of it while u can. If ur not sure of it either just do one hit and see how u feel or head out to burning man festival or bonaroo and i gaurantee ull love it just control ur atmosphere and company. Then u can work ur way up to dmt and payote )

[LoneRanger7]

I used to do a lot of lsd back in the 90s. Hung out with a lot of phish heads.  Best I ever had was a sugar cube that had been in a friends freezer for a long time,  he wasn't even sure it was still good.  (It was)  second best psychedelic experience was shrooms. 20 oz Pepsi bottle of the darkest tea i ever seen. Friend said "only drink half" so naturally i immediately drank all.  Good times. I went to school in Gainesville FL before the days of orange fed cattle - lots and lots of shrooms.

[Esoteric Anhydride]

I saw a guy on TV that took 80 hits at once in an effort to OD and he reckons that it took a while to come right and was institutionalised for a while.

My first stint in rehab there was this cat there who'd gotten the wrong bottle of beer at a party -- apparently they thought it was a good idea to randomly spike one bottle with 10 hits of L and not tell anyone, and this guy was the poor fucker who drank that beer.

He really wasn't ok. I'm not sure how long it had been since that party, but he was still pretty far gone after 2mos in treatment. He'd say some really random shit and had a weird sense of humor -- I didn't know him before that trip, so hard to say how much it changed him, but I kinda gathered he may not have been wrapped that tight to begin with. Fucking 10 hits and not knowing it's coming, I can't even imagine what that would have been like.

These days I'd have to be seriously convinced it actually was L and not one of the super-potent phenethylamine analogs out there, some of them actually sound like a lot of fun but NFW would I jump in without knowing *exactly* what I had and what the dosage was, basically if I don't know the chemist, I'm not gonna touch the shit. I'd rather just extract some mescaline or DMT. Good L is fantastic shit and I would do it again (NYE 93 Key West, FL was my last time tripping L); but it just seems like too much of a gamble considering there are many things out there that are active in the sub 200mcg level, which is about what an average blotter will hold.

[40mgtofreedom]

i took acid my first time 10 years ago and have since taken it quite a bit. the talking assholes right about the fam, but if you wanna find real L, all you need to do is look up furthur, phil lesh and friends, dead and company, find a show date near you and hit up the parking lot scene. ive never been sold bunk blotter at a dead show. im sure its out there and im wary of who i buy it from, but ive only gotten fake blotter one time (at a Dark Side of the Moon cover band show, first time i tried buying L) and it was just blank paper nothing on it no substances. every time ive gotten L , as far as i can tell, its been L. I know the effects well enough and its always been L, never an RC, but I don't really seek it out much outside the grateful dead scene because the price is always minimum $10 a hit, $700 a sheet, quality is medicore, and the risk of getting blank paper is higher.


personally, I don't seem to get the same visuals EVERYONE else does. Don't get me wrong, I get visuals on a decent dose (3 hits of decent to strong L) but i only get some geometric patterning, colors seem vivid, but thats it. some of the trip reports ive read online, shit, what friends have told me after we tripped together (Same batch same dose) they see shit like they take a shower and the water coming out is rainbow colored. I get slight distortions in my perception of everything, colors seem more vivid, i get those very distinct geometric patterning, but the higher i raise my dose, the visuals dont get more intense like they do for other people, i just get more mindfucked.

thats another thing, i get more debitiltated than most people from L. it makes everyones thoughts race, but i get much less able to interact with people at all,e ven on a real low dose of good blotter, i cant carry a conversation , but all my friends seem able to. i get more mind fucked, stuck in my head. in a way im like that with all drugs, but its WAY more pronounced on L. Every trip is different, some trips it isn't quite like that, I'm not sure why.

also, its very rare i trip alone, or if i do, its because me and a few friends bought a sheet at a dead show nice and cheap and all got 25-35 hits each, all of us having done L minimum of several dozen times, so thats how im sure its always L and why im ranking my experiences as different than the norm. i cant chalk it up to dosage because most of the time im taking it with friends who have roughly the same experience w/ psychedelics as me, same dose, same batch, etc. but they're able to like call their parents and have a conversation without them having a clue hteir under the influence of anything, whereas i can't even respond with more than a couple words if someone talks to me.

ive actually had trouble finding L in fl, but thats because ive always tended towards dead shows, and they play the north east a HELL of a lot more than FL. but i still get up north for festivals and shows and got friends who can mail me shit or come down and visit for shows.

pricewise, normal everyday street price i see (i say street but it can be HARD to find) is $10/hit, $90 a ten strip, maybe 600-750 a sheet. but after getting into the dead and the scene, i dont normally pay more than 300-400 for a sheet and its normally very very high quality. can get a book or a bible (whatever you wanna call it, ten sheets, a thousand hits) for 2k, sometimes even 1700, although even throwing down with a few friends ive never personally been able to get down on that much.

sounds like you're getting shitty acid, it really does. like underdosed tabs so you think you're taking 3 but really they may together be around 150ug.  anything over 250 approaching 400ug is when things really get weird, plus some people need more.

But one thing is for sure, you are grossly overpaying. a page (900hits) should never be over 1000, a gram of crystal is $8600.

Alphabay, dream and DHL

[Zoops (OP)]

My first stint in rehab there was this cat there who'd gotten the wrong bottle of beer at a party -- apparently they thought it was a good idea to randomly spike one bottle with 10 hits of L and not tell anyone, and this guy was the poor fucker who drank that beer.

He really wasn't ok. I'm not sure how long it had been since that party, but he was still pretty far gone after 2mos in treatment. He'd say some really random shit and had a weird sense of humor -- I didn't know him before that trip, so hard to say how much it changed him, but I kinda gathered he may not have been wrapped that tight to begin with. Fucking 10 hits and not knowing it's coming, I can't even imagine what that would have been like.

These days I'd have to be seriously convinced it actually was L and not one of the super-potent phenethylamine analogs out there, some of them actually sound like a lot of fun but NFW would I jump in without knowing *exactly* what I had and what the dosage was, basically if I don't know the chemist, I'm not gonna touch the shit. I'd rather just extract some mescaline or DMT. Good L is fantastic shit and I would do it again (NYE 93 Key West, FL was my last time tripping L); but it just seems like too much of a gamble considering there are many things out there that are active in the sub 200mcg level, which is about what an average blotter will hold.

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QFT 100%


It's crazy from an SAR perspective how those N-Bome compounds are SO potent... who would have thought that sticking a 2-methoxy benzyl group on the amine function would increase potency like 1000X?