doctor and clinic held liable in methadone patient auto accident

[dizzle]

They never said exactly how they know this woman was injecting her dose?

I mean, she's at a methadone clinic, A FUCKING METHADONE CLINIC, wouldn't it be somewhat assumed she'd have track marks?


Injecting methadone is pointless and wouldn't cause the extreme high that this article and our moderator imply. There is a MINOR rush but nothing I'd call impaired, this isnt' about the accident she caused, it's about money and fearmongering bullshit agaianst methadone patients.

the media in our country is just another workhorse for the war on drugs/terror/political machine and DEA/FBI/CIA/white house. The funniest part to me is 95% of the people that read the news allow their opinions to be formed for them by the very agencies that are doing the bad shit..... it's a sweet deal for those in power though.

[Sand and Water]

Thanks all for the info on injecting done--^^^ lol at the "sweet deal". Is sad but too true unfortunately.

[Griffin]

Hah nark i know what you mean about roomies I have 3 right now and only one of them is clean. Luckily the landlord works across the street and swings by everyday and cleans up after his son and does dishes and stuff. He has some people come by to clean the house atleast once or twice a month which is cool. I also hate the fact that he comes here every day it makes me nervous i don't know why I just don't like it, I feel like its an invasion of my privacy my last landlord used to unlock our door and come in our apartment atleast once a month until we stopped her.

[Guts]

I like clean, I just really hate cleaning. Like it never fucking ends it feels like. The more shit I clean the more different shit looks dirty.

[DeadCat]

They never said exactly how they know this woman was injecting her dose?

I mean, she's at a methadone clinic, A FUCKING METHADONE CLINIC, wouldn't it be somewhat assumed she'd have track marks?


Injecting methadone is pointless and wouldn't cause the extreme high that this article and our moderator imply. There is a MINOR rush but nothing I'd call impaired, this isnt' about the accident she caused, it's about money and fearmongering bullshit agaianst methadone patients.

the media in our country is just another workhorse for the war on drugs/terror/political machine and DEA/FBI/CIA/white house. The funniest part to me is 95% of the people that read the news allow their opinions to be formed for them by the very agencies that are doing the bad shit..... it's a sweet deal for those in power though.

I agree. It is another lazily writtten article parroting the same old fear and misinformation. Almost every sentence in it could be challenged.

The woman got sentenced to 6 years in prison in 2014. But the article (if not the prosecution) didn't make mention of the quantity of methdone in her system. That's how it is, you get in an accident, the hospital draws blood and they check for "the usual suspects" of intoxicants and if there's any presence of an opiate you are going to be found guilty unless you fight like hell and that means money, more than mostaccused people have.

I suspect that she did not inject enough methodone to be that messed up. It said she lived 100 miles from her clinic so it would make sense for her to be getting a wek's take-homes rather than make a daily 200 mile round trip drives to dose. IF she really was tha high my bet would be that she drank 2 or more days worth as soon as she got in her car and it hit her on the long drive home. Stupid behavior, yes but I think it is more likely than her injecting oral methadone in large quantity.

The story as written is vague and doesn't address the root cause of the problem: the clinic gave someone enough methodone to possibly impair her driving knowing she was going to have to drive 100 miles as soon as she left the clinic.

Methodone for pain is prescribed in 10mg tablets and it can be filled at ny pharmacy. Is he had a prescription in her home town none of this would happen, but becasue she was receiving it for opiod dependency she had to get it at a clinic 100 miles from home.

FWIW, I am getting very, very tired of reading about the "epidemic" of drug use and the vilivifaction of users. The US has more people on drugs of all kinds than any other nation on Earth. I don't think this is an epidemic in itself I think it is a SYMPTOM of a sick society.

[Chip]

@Narkotikon

re. breast milk vs. formula ... breast milk contains stem cells and on the strength of that, I assume that formula could also be missing as yet unknown benefits.

as a regular guy and if I had a child then I would insist on the mother's breast milk for baby ... it may even raise the IQ of the child ... who knows ?

[Dhedmo]

This is really two threads, isn't it?

Re the OP, I have to say that even a minor car accident while using can be very scary.
There were times when I absolutely would not drive, afraid I might fall asleep.
That said,  I was not impaired when at a level plateau. If you're in WDs and have to drive a long way to get well, chances are you might overdo it. If that's a possibility, making arrangements to stay with a friend (or in your stationary vehicle) until you know where your head is at is really good advice. It's a better plan than waking up in the ER handcuffed to the gurney.

Re breastfeeding, it's astonishing to me how many people felt no qualms addressing the nursing mother, and even more appalling that they all used the same adjective: "disgusting." Really? Certainly wasn't my first reaction, and in any case, I'm not going to step to someone about it. What's wrong with people.

[Narkotikon]

@Narkotikon
as a regular guy and if I had a child then I would insist on the mother's breast milk for baby ... it may even raise the IQ of the child ... who knows ?

But what if the baby's mother didn't want to do it, for whatever reason?

I appreciate your opinion that breast milk is better for the baby, but you can't make her do it. Some women have difficulties breastfeeding, or other qualms about it in general.

[Chip]

maybe insist was too strong a word ...

[Sand and Water]

About the breast feeding thang-- i can see where it was prolly "staged" to elicit a reaction, but like Rod Sterlings (prolly paraphrased quote) from "The Twilight Zone"--- show was before my time lol--- "I submit this for your consideration"... what about all those who blow their nose and such at dinner (home AND public?). Eeeew.

In my case, my daughter was allergic to regular, soy, etc formulas. There was ONE she could tolerate called Alimentum--$8 bucks a can a looong time ago.

Her father was disgusted by me nursing her; "sure it's natural, but so's taking a crap & you wouldn't do that in the living room". It was very stressful to begin with and his attitude made it harder (but i went ahead lol).

Imo, unless its outrageous--shirt undone, breasts out there for all to see & I'm not living in a nudist colony? It's fine. It's hard enough keeping it together w/a newborn or baby.

[DeadCat]

One time I was riding a bus back from copping and I sat across from a lovely young mother discreetly breastfeeding her infant. We made eye contact and I had the most profound experience:  I was watching the most natural thing in the world and the very essence of a mother's love. I couldn't help but give her a gentle smile and I think she understood what I understood and we spent the remainder of our ride locked in each others eyes in a strange semi-romantic/protective/erotic bond. This was no kind of kink thing about nursing women, in fact I don't really lust over breasts as much as most guys, but it was like we had stepped inot sume sort of beautiful rapturous moment together.

When my stop came I got up and we both spontaneouly said gentle [goodbyes] but I think we both regreetted breaking that moment. Some things are just too profound for words.

In the bigger picture I think the arguments about breastfeeding in public are rooted in the dual nature of breasts. They ARE essentially for feeding our offspring but they are also eroticsized and healthy breasts do signal fertility to men's deeper unconcious and that triggers the mating drive which we perceive as erotic (but it is just nature) and this confilcts with our Calvanistic American traditions shaming sex. Thus, the strong reactions to public breastfeeding.

[bignasty]

I know this is an old thread but I have to comment on both subjects.

1) MD clinic and driving: It's bullshit that folks can get dui's for RX drugs at all in my opinion unless you're truly too fucked up to drive and they can prove it with multiple witnesses and get it on camera. Somebody that took their MD dose and took like 10 bars shouldn't be able to drive if they're impaired. However, if they're taking their usual doses of RX meds and aren't impaired, I don't see why they charge folks with DUIs.

I got pulled over one night and had a warrant for my arrest so I was going to jail anyway. But they found a rig, bloody paper towels, my benzo and pain med and ADHD scripts while searching my car. The officer that pulled me over AND the officer that took me to jail didn't mention me being under the influence or slurring my words or anything. I got to jail and was cussing and being a smartass to the jailers and admin folks that worked in the jail so they decided to give me a field sobriety test NOT ON CAMERA AND 2 HRS AFTER I HAD BEEN IN MY CELL. I did everything perfect but was still charged with DUI drugs even though they didn't give me a blood test, urine test, hair test, NOTHING besides a cop that lied his ass off on the field sobriety paperwork.

2) Breastfeeding in US: My wife was taking bupe with 1st kid and 'done with 2nd kid so she only breastfed for about 3-6 wks with our first child and only a few days with our second child since they were already having to taper him down with morphine. First child had ZERO WD symptoms from her taking 2-4mg's a day of bupe. Second child stayed in the hospital 2-3 wks while they tapered him down and off morphine.

Very strange how that happened and they need to research bupe in pregnant women more because I was shocked that he didn't have any WD symptoms. However, they said it was too late for a epidural even though she had asked about it 8 hours before they told her that. She was getting 50mcg shots of fent every 30-60 mins but she was still in pain since the bupe was blocking so I gave her 40mg's of my 'done take home after they said no epidural. That long half life MIGHT have been why my first child didn't have any WDs but either way, it was amazing to me that he didn't even have the shits or cranky or anything.

I wish my wife would've been able to breastfeed more 'cause it's the most natural thing a human can do and helps with bonding and nutrition and leads to a higher IQ and better health, etc.. The benefits over formula seem endless. I think Americans try to/want to forget that we're still animals and that's why so many people object to breastfeeding in public. It's crazy to me that we've gotten to this point when 50-60 yrs ago it was the norm and formula was considered strange.

We've gotten so pussified and PC and far from nature in this country that we've all forgot where our food comes from (not burger king, an actual animal had to die to make that burger or chicken sandwich) and how babies are supposed to be fed when born, etc.... I wish I had been born in an earlier time (maybe the early 1900's when u could order H and a rig out of a Sears catalogue) when folks were more tied to nature and had to hunt or grow crops for their food and mothers had to breastfeed or their babies starved to death.

Truly a simpler time. They say times were harder but it seems like they were happier without all this unnecessary technology that we have now. Folks had to work back then 'cause there were no food stamps and SS disability and welfare and if you refused to work, you usually didn't eat. They also had access to more jobs 'cause all the machines hadn't replaced human labor yet.
Rant over, sorry for the length. 

[Chip]

There was a recent case in Oz where a habitual driving offender crash and killed someone when driving home from the clinic. The media went nuts and i got mad - i am not on Methadone any more but I remember that driving in an air-conditioned car an a stinking hot day was mandatory otherwise it was unpleasant, protracted and miserable.

the rules are changing BUT all i kept thinking is that i always felt totally normal after being dosed and "do you guys know what it's like to drive when in withdrawals ?" because that's the dangerous part due to the severe agitation, panic and malaise.

Uberdone home deliveries, anybody ?