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ListAttBBC  |  v6.25  |  2026-10-23  |  Andrew.human & Claude.ai  |  live 22:24:19
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How to minimise AI's mistakes and a proposed learning methodolgy based on realtional timelines of chained Quasi-Code Elements (checkpoints of Psuedocode of Psuedocode or partial or whole representaions of "ideas/thoughts/objecticves" that either address a problem or iimprovements or introduce new functionality and/or features) to buld coherence and an understanfing for both machines and humans of not only what something IS or DOES but WHY and HOW it became what IT IS.

You may well ask: "Why this ? and why now ? and why do i think I have the answer ? and what is this "so called BIG PROBLEM with all AI ?"

Well, it is very simple and this is my simple story:

So I use Claude (not Claude Code) for all my Python/PHP coding requirements and it works exceptionally well when you give it a comprehensive set of specifications and as much context as possible, such as WHY the code is needed and HOW to go about it (modular is best; write,test etc. one module at a time) and based on the psuedocode and/or framework as defined by the Systems Analysis of ChatGPT's, because he is actually very good at it as he can't code complex stuff for shit but is great at this but you have to ask him to stay on point and be TIGHT (write terse specifications so you don't drown in waffle and padding (unnecessary complexity)) but TBH Claude does a pretty good job of Systems Analysis but this model of mine, with a clear delineation of duties, is the best because it have been done before and is proven !

But once before, Claude made such a mess with a new spec that after pouring hours of my blood, sweat and tears into fixing it, and recruiting Gemini and Meta and Claude again, the programs got worse and it was unpredictable and if you fixed something then another unrelated thing would break, so I called it DEMON POSSESED and it was, without doubt, the worst piece of code that I had even encounted in my entire life and it really made me deflated and sad !

So, to cheer myself up, I made a "Lemon Library" and copied the code, and all previous versions, and everything related (a simple Text Viewer with Search it was, BTW) into it and chmod'ed it to 000 it (for those unfamiliar with this, it means NO READ/NO WRITE/NO EXECUTE) and I instantly felt much better, lol 😋😆!

The thing is that I told Claude to model it on an existing viewer he wrote earlier, and in actual fact, I should've just told him to write a "wrapper" around it, which we did later, and it worked like a charm ...

Anyway, I have this tool (our "Flagship Product" (used in every Post's Header)) that lists all the attachments and depending on the filetype, calls a particular program (like all File Managers do but this is for all files attached to a particular post) -- and I asked for the simplest of modifications to it: add an option to use the default/native Adobe Chrome Extension Viewer to the existing method that calls our PDFBBC/Mozilla's pdfjs, and i even state that it should be 3 or 4 lines of code.

Well, it took Claude a while and I have also set up a lots of standards but in this simple case, I only asked for a "DIFF" report so i can see what other code he might've "touched" because he had been getting worse by actually *introducing* more bugs that he fixed ! Well, what came back was am abomination; 4 features broke (and I should not have to test every feature in a case like this !) and the display had an ugly big banner and checkbox, plus it tried to download the file instad of viewing it so it did NOT EVEN WORK at all -- the DIFF report hit on a lot of code and I was pissed off and told him and said that he was sacked !

So I thought about it and how I would do it (I keep all previous versions and all i had to do was find an earlier version that did the native thing before  i asked it to use ours) and it took about an hour to find it but when I did, i said to Claude: "Here is the 5.1 version that has the logic and here is the previous (flawless) 6.9 version so take the logic from 5.1 and merge it with 6.9 and make it easy for me to choose either of the two options ! and it worked like a charm and in only 4 lines of code as I had guessed. Mind you, he had already written a "fixed" v7.1 version of his botched v7.0 and i knew that it was just bad code on top of bad code so i told him to drop it !

Then the penny dropped - AI has no historical timeline like we humans have (!) so this project is all about building one, but for code first, and by giving it one is to solve almost ALL of its inadequacies, limitations and mistakes ! -- that's my Eureka moment and work is underway  ...
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