not that sick, wtf?

[Esoteric Anhydride (OP)]

I got the second dose down this morning ok. Most of the morning I've felt a bit unsettled though, not sure exactly why -- it could be the slow transition, could be the shitty dope I'm doing, could be stress from current living situation which is chaotic; could be all of, or even none of the above. When I took the dose, I can't say I noticed anything that felt like a wd initiation, but it was indeed a very small amount of bup, like maybe half-a-.177-bb sized.

I've considered digging around like maybe the wayback machine (internet archives) for that old thread, I'd be interested in reading it if it's at all available.

But anyway ya, so far so good it seems. Again this idea makes a lot of sense to me, hopefully it works as well in practice as it seems it should.. Gonna find out!

[Z]

Sorry I can't help more.  I don't have any actual experience.  I glanced through the way back machine because you mentioned it, but it mostly seemed to jut grab the front page.  Not very useful stuff, needless to say.

I don't know what to say.  I'm sure your instincts are spit on after so many years with this game.  I know mine usually are when it comes to my habit.

[holladimsum]

Update?

[Esoteric Anhydride (OP)]

Took 2mg bup this am and it didn't throw me into anything worse than the state I was in, which wasn't great. After the 2mg, I did the last of what I had and drank maybe 50mg methadone -- the first methadone I've had in maybe 2-3 weeks, but shit needed done.

Tomorrow, more bup, at least 4mg.

This is definitely working, but I'm right in the middle of it so it's kinda early to write much more. Hopefully I'll be able to get through tomorrow on bup alone, only other option is methadone and I'm fucking sick of methadone.

[Dog Food]

I wouldnt keep taking the done cause of its long half life...   But, i guess if you take bupe tomorrow morning and it doesnt make you sick at all then you should have enough sub in you to just keep taking only sub. You just gotta get used to how only sub feels then.

When youre taking, say 8mg bupe daily for weeks/months, you can do other opiates then sub right after almost.  The other opiates may not work well or do nothing at all, but you can do em then sub right after cause theres so much sub on all ur receptors.  Its when we run out of sub that makes it so hard to get back on just sub

[holladimsum]

I really wanted to get the show on the road and I never have a smooth transition from D -> Bupe, so the micro sub dose/full agonist immediately following approach looked attractive.  I ended up deciding to use the D I had left to get me through the work week and use the weekend for a direct transition to sub. 

It has been really tough to pull the trigger on induction due to fear of being sick at work.  I am hoping that this works or I'll be at the clinic again next week (trying to avoid, got off MMT about a year ago).

[Esoteric Anhydride (OP)]

Ok so as of this morning I think I pulled it off. Rough going for a few hours, but possibly because I was just really wary of taking more than a mg or two at a time; which is pretty much what always happens when I do this.

I was really rough this morning, but the crumbs were helping so I kept taking them, now about 5 hours since I woke up the first time (went to bed in rough shape last night, but I did sleep), and I feel about ~70% after maybe 6mg bup. Help from a very small amt of xanax as well.

So, all in all 5-6hrs of shittiness from a md->sub switch in like 30 days is pretty good. I still have a little ways to go, but I think  the worst of it is over, and I think the microdosing is a brilliant fucking idea.

[Chip]

This is a good example of people helping each other by way of the forum.

We may not have much traffic but what we do have makes it all worthwhile.

I'm pleased for you, Chops !

[Esoteric Anhydride (OP)]

So it's officially official, I'm fully switched over to subs, it's taking me 6-8mg in the am to feel normal, and then maybe another 2mg in the evening. From experience I know these numbers will drop soon.

I can honestly say that was the easiest sub jump I've ever done, and that's going back like 10 years. I had a little rls this am, but that was remedied by more sub, xanax and some decent bud.

I feel good. AND NO MORE FUCKING METHADONE!!!1!111!11

[holladimsum]

So I took probably ~.4mg of Bupe this morning and then did two bags after.  Do you think I should do another dose of sub tonight (roughly) 8 hours later, or wait until the morning.  What I am wondering is since I took Bupe this morning, does that mean I can take it as I please now, or is ~.4 too small of a dose to grant me immunity?  Also, chops, were you doing D at night during the course of the induction, or just the morning?

[Esoteric Anhydride (OP)]

I'd wait until morning, and until you're pretty well sick before taking that next dose. Let that D wear off..

[Dog Food]

I always wait till the next morning (orafter a full night's sleep). Sleeping almost resets my brain. If i do a fast shot, fall asleep for acouple hours or more, ill wake up and start feeling shitty soon after waking, same with showers, ill take a shower then feel stone cold sober after.

But anyway, no .4 of bupe sublingual isnt near enough to be able to take right away after dope.  Maybe if I took like 8 - 16 but id still wait till u wake up.  You would havehad to take a blocking dose of sub to take it that soon.  Think about it,. That .4mg isnt goimg to be anywhere close to coverimg most of your receptors in your brain, therefore the dope would have attached to almost as much as if u took no sub, then if u take sub right away it will rip the dope off of those receptors causing horrible pain.

[holladimsum]

Dog Food that makes sense.  I am glad that I played it cautious but I am bummed that it is so tough to switch over.

[Opi-ette]

Chops that is great news!!! So happy for you and that you didn't suffer as much as
the other attempts.

Maybe there should be a sticky about micro-dosing for those that are switching over to subs? Just a thought.

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