My Mate is "Losing It" ... what to do or say ?

[Chip (OP)]

when I last visited, she was fine - taking her meds. the meds really work well here.

her brother, and I tell her that she's much better on them but she doesn't like their suppresion.

it's hopefully on the mend but broken windows etc. bear the scars.

[Cee]

I picked this up at Drug Court last week. Only just remembered I had it (must be the drugs).

It's a brochure by "The Australian Drug Foundation" called "Your guide to Mental Health and Alcohol and other Drug Problems".

[smfadmin]

meds taken. takes a bit to work but she's fine now. a happy ending. it's a delayed stress response, of sorts.

[Narkotikon]

Some schizophrenia types (there are more than one type.  Catatonic schizophrenia, paranoid schizophrenia, etc.  If I remember correctly, there are 5 subtypes of schizophrenia) are harder to treat than others.

Suffers basically relapse from choosing to stop taking their meds.  Same thing with Bipolar patients.

I can understand that, although it is bad for them.  The meds used to treat those conditions are like chemical restraints.  Anti-psychotics have bad side-effects and tend to make people into zombies, where they're just blunted / suppressed.  And certain neuroleptics used in Bipolar disorder also cause a lot of bad side-effects.

People report feeling emotionally blunted, suppressed or weighed down, slowed, basically chemically restrained in a prison. 

Even though it causes those symptoms, it's still really important for those patients to continue taking their meds.  When they go off them, chaos tends to ensue. 

Your friend really chose a horrible drug for her condition.  I can't see methamphetamine, or any stimulant, helping her in the long run, at least not mental-health wise. 

Why is methamphetamine so popular there?  It seems like the biggest drug of abuse there is meth.  Is it b/c Australia has very lax laws regarding the precursor chemicals, and therefore they're imported from China or other countries near by? 

And if so, why's it so expensive?  I remember Michael saying a point (100mg) costing about $100 there.  You could get a gram or so of crystal for that here, at least last time I heard.   

[smfadmin]

i suppose that it's popular because there is no apparent physical addiction.

we pay around $40-50 a point but it can fetch up to $100 at the right place, at the right time.

yeah, lots of people use it and as to really why ? you'd have to ask them. personally, it gives me enthusiasm and energy to tackle various tasks etc.

[thetalkingasshole]

I'm coming to this a bit late but I would say that ALL drugs would be contraindicated
EXCEPT for something like risperidone/olanzepine/ziprasidone

the nice thing about these drugs is that they are widely over-prescribed in the US
especially to women with mood disorders


obviously it is always best to get someone to an actual doctor and/or hospital
but short of the involuntary 72hr hold, there are often few if any choices
once someone has started to lose control of their psychological functions
you are putting them and everyone else at risk by not doing anything

I know it can be especially difficult to make that decision
as many of us may have been in similar situations, but made it through ok without any major problems
and were damn grateful not to have been involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital!

Just remember that this person is not you, and this is not that time you made it through ok

[Zoops]

I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to quis question before, but why do you always refer to methamphetamine as d-meth? As far as I understerdood, clandestine synthesis almost 100% leads to the racemate 50/50 d/l meth. How is it that Australian dope is almost twice as potent as that we have in the Americas?

Do they use straight ephedrine as the precursor instead of pseudoephedrine over here?

[Anti-hero]

Man this is a hard one
I would not get her put
On a 72 hour hold
I have been on the receiving end
Of that
I cut people out of my life
For that
I know  there were just trying
To do what they thought was best for me

I get where she it's coming from
Not wanting to take her meds
That Shit can make you feel like
Someone is stealing your soul

Just let her know  you
Care just be there.hold her hand
Thick and thin
You know sometimes Shit gets way to thick
You could offer up the suggestion
That there is always tomorrow

I don't know
I wish you the best

[Opus]

From what I understand, the price of tweak has gone down to about $40-50/G in most places around here, down from the ~100/g it was a few years ago. That it fetches $100 a point in Oz just blows my mind.

Out here Ephedra grows wild, it's most commonly just a bush (I think there are actually a lot of plants that have Ephedrine). If I was a tweaker, believe that I'd be living out in the desert!

I think by using either ephedrine and/or certain, not very common synthetic routes one can get to pure d-meth, but I'm not very well versed in tweak chemistry. I'm pretty sure I've seen a paper that claims d-meth from pseudo using electrolysis tho, but I'm not %100 sure and don't feel like looking for the paper. It might have actually been a "Fester" paper if I remember right, it used a palladium (or platinum) electrode, it did seem legit but wtf do I know..

[Chip (OP)]

I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to quis question before, but why do you always refer to methamphetamine as d-meth? As far as I understerdood, clandestine synthesis almost 100% leads to the racemate 50/50 d/l meth. How is it that Australian dope is almost twice as potent as that we have in the Americas?

Do they use straight ephedrine as the precursor instead of pseudoephedrine over here?

because our purity is nudging over the 80% mark so I assumed it was d-meth.

[makita]

Some schizophrenia types (there are more than one type.  Catatonic schizophrenia, paranoid schizophrenia, etc.  If I remember correctly, there are 5 subtypes of schizophrenia) are harder to treat than others.

Suffers basically relapse from choosing to stop taking their meds.  Same thing with Bipolar patients.

I can understand that, although it is bad for them.  The meds used to treat those conditions are like chemical restraints.  Anti-psychotics have bad side-effects and tend to make people into zombies, where they're just blunted / suppressed.  And certain neuroleptics used in Bipolar disorder also cause a lot of bad side-effects.

People report feeling emotionally blunted, suppressed or weighed down, slowed, basically chemically restrained in a prison. 

The subtypes thing went out in 2013 with the DSM V; they were confusing the issue as many sufferers had multiple symptoms. 

If risperdone is not working for her she should talk to her psychiatrist about trying another med.  Granted all of them have blunting effects to some extent, but maybe another med will work better, its really different for each person.

Here's more info about schizophrenia for anyone interested: 

Has she actually been diagnosed as schizophrenic, or does she just have drug induced psychosis? (the difference being when shes not on meth, she doesn't have psychotic symptoms.)  And how old is she? 

[Anti-hero]

From what I understand, the price of tweak has gone down to about $40-50/G in most places around here, down from the ~100/g it was a few years ago. That it fetches $100 a point in Oz just blows my mind.

Out here Ephedra grows wild, it's most commonly just a bush (I think there are actually a lot of plants that have Ephedrine). If I was a tweaker, believe that I'd be living out in the desert!

I think by using either ephedrine and/or certain, not very common synthetic routes one can get to pure d-meth, but I'm not very well versed in tweak chemistry. I'm pretty sure I've seen a paper that claims d-meth from pseudo using electrolysis tho, but I'm not %100 sure and don't feel like looking for the paper. It might have actually been a "Fester" paper if I remember right, it used a palladium (or platinum) electrode, it did seem legit but wtf do I know..

Yea that one is easy it's just a matter of off a double bonded oxygen and replacing it with a hydrogen
Learns that one real fat
Eperda is the same molecule structure  dmeth the o sits where a h should be.