still withdrawing AGAIN!

[Chip (OP)]

absolutely not as I am down to 50 mg and that's tiny.

I cannot be tied to a clinic again as my job and place of work couldn't accommodate that.

the Pregablin and tapered doses of Tramadol is by far the most effective if CT isn't viable.

but if I had a real habit then Subs would give me the most freedom so your suggestion would be entirely valid.

I'm feeling fine and have split the pills into 25 mg doses  if I need them. that is a really tiny amount and should be comfortable. I will take 150 mg of Pregablin daily and report back.

thank you for your concern but I've got this.

[Esoteric Anhydride]

50mg tramadol?

What was your starting dose in comparison to your methadone dose?

I have access to tramadol, never really figured it was worth a shit, and honestly it makes me a little nervous.

[Chip (OP)]

100 mg Tramadol for about 5 weeks then 200 mg Tramadol SR + a few 5 mg Oxycodone IR daily for about 2 weeks.

then one 600 mg Tramadol "fun" dose then dropped to 100 mg in 3 days (WD kicked in) then to 50 daily and today, NOTHING but on 25 mg Meth so that defers any issues.

equivalent to 5 mg Methadone.

I hear ya, Trams are an SSRI but my 600 mg + 5 mg Oxycodone dose had me nodding so it's not all bad.

[Esoteric Anhydride]

You know about Serotonin Syndrome, right?

Not %100 sure, but I suspect tram and tweak might be a risky combo for this reason -- and I am for sure %100 that you don't want to deal with that mess, so be careful my friend.

[Chip (OP)]

You know about Serotonin Syndrome, right?

Not %100 sure, but I suspect tram and tweak might be a risky combo for this reason -- and I am for sure %100 that you don't want to deal with that mess, so be careful my friend.

yep. I stopped my 5-HTP and am down to 25 mg and will be off by the end of the week. no brain zaps, no misery. Lyrica is holding me well.

I appreciate the concern and am being quite careful despite not being on it for too long. they know my history and weren't prepared to prescribe oxys (except for one script) but the neuropathic properties of the drug made it a good choice for burns patients.

[Chip (OP)]

FINALLY (it took longer than i anticipated, as usual)  -- *burp* + *ahCHoo* ... stomach almost settled down and now i'm up for for weeks of sneezing though 

still, they are GREAT for pain and my pain is now gone too.

another tiny opioid detox completed and I am now at the thin end of an Olanzapine detox since i'm in the rhythm.

 

 

[op8world]

weeks of sneezing & yawning I'd guess.  Somehow these symptoms irritate me tremendously.  I got used to never sneezing or yawning.  3 weeks off the morph and homebake, I can't go an hour without sneezing & yawning.  Sometimes the yawning hits every minute for a 15 min stretch.  It's like I have to become human all over again.

I notice the WD brought on by tiny bits as well.  I found a few barely viable cottons after 10 days clean (probably ~ 5- 10mg).  I'm not even positive I felt it.  I had to try to convince myself that I was feeling some relief, but I'm unsure I noticed any relief at all.  Sadly, that small dose was enough to bring on a fresh wave of WD symptoms 8 hours later that lasted through the next day.  The new symptoms offered misery far outweighing the tiny dose that barely moved the needle.  At this point, I'm back to the normal symptoms. Length of habit definitely impacts how easily we re-enter wd.  It's almost like the body is primed for it.  It's been in WD so many times, that it knows exactly what to do as opiates leave the body.  We are tuned in to the symptoms we know are coming.

[Chip (OP)]

length AND size of habit - as stated wisely, decades of (shooting) Methadone has taken a massive toll on me.

it's like being punched in the same spot for years. YEARS.

you only have to bump it or touch and it hurts.

our bodies get SO used to dealing with the opiate threat that it pounces on that issue, adjusts rapidly which results in our ensuing withdrawal.

in fairness to our bodies, they are only trying to offset the impact of perceived high levels of endorphins that could even kill us by means of respiratory depression.

I only have to think about an opiate and I break out into a cold sweat.

I once spent a bit of time in a particular room where I was in withdrawals and I remember walking into it (when well) and starting to feel uncomfortable.

of course, I must add that I am in my mid 50's and not at all opiate naive.

I see my friends on the nod and I think, why didn't that last for me ? I haven't had many nods but I certainly over-medicated in the name of unabashed hedonism.

[hanna]

I hope the Lyrica is helping.

I swear by the stuff. I don't ever face real WD anymore. Even if I binge out and consume 400-600mg of Oxy for a couple of weeks, and when I'm out, I high dose Lyrica, 2nd gen antihistamine, plenty of fluids and feel perfectly functional.

I sleep, eat, don't sweat, no RLS, most importantly to me, no PAWS. Not a hint. I used to get so suicidal and drepressed.

[Chip (OP)]

sure. it's a godsend (said the athiest).

such a versatile drug - great for putting the stoppers on after Meth also.

... and take enough and it's a bit trippy too !

fellow users - if you haven't tried it then i urge you to do so. it's the best general purpose drug I have ever known. highly addictive but we all know that one.