Charlie Sheen in Big Trouble [disclaimer: this source was not totally reliable]

[hanna]

You can ask the service for girls who ARE positive, or so i've been told. Someone out there has a list of these girls and they still have to make a living.

No harm, no foul if this is what Charlie did to have sex with large numbers of women.

As for his strange acbehavior since 2011, I suspected something major was up when he sued Lorre in early 2011. Care to wager that's when he found out he was positive?  I'm sure CHarlie was in need of cleaning up, perhaps learning about HIV freaked him out, but he saw a nice easy way to grab millions, tax-free, to pay the piper for whoever came after him if he infected them.

That's about all I care to post about Carlos Estevan.

Oh, one more thing. Even it there are numerous women he might have infected without their consent I don't think Charlie will see the inside of a prison cell. He's just too well connected and so many people have the shitty, "if you slut around you deserve what you get" attitude. We'll see.

[Chip (OP)]

I judged him too quickly.

that's the problem. I withdraw my comments and wish him good health. today's meds. really seem to work.

[skramamme]

RE his partners sleeping with him sans protection;
There's a med you can take to reduce your risk of exposure to HIV if engaging in unprotected sex, so his partners may have had access to that before sleeping with him, which would have made their choice to do so much safer (just like many people with recurrent herpes can use medication to suppress the virus, thus significantly lowering the chances of passing on the virus).

As for his behaviour when he went crazy I'm pretty sure it's called "drug induced psychosis". It's not funny, it's sad and dangerous. And yep, he may well have developed that issue after finding out about his HIV status and going on a self destructive drug binge, because of the stigma of HIV (none of which has been minimised here,it would seem) and his access to easy money and drugs.
Would I have behaved any better if i were in his shoes? Probably not. The guy has major issues alongside his addiction/s and with that I can relate.

Good for him for coming out and being open about his status, thankfully in the States and other first world countries it's not that difficult to have a pretty decent quality of life with an HIV diagnosis these days.
But it certainly doesn't appear as if he intentionally tried to infect anyone at this stage and, since society loves to think the worst of addicts, perhaps we should reserve judgement for now.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to minimise the devastation of having a disease like that, especially if you're in a 3rd world country (as you're basically fucked), but if you have access to it the medicine these days is very effective at managing HIV from what I understand.
My friends cousin was one of the first full blown AIDS cases here in Victoria and he went from being an amazing young man to having dementia and going blind in his late 20's before dying. So no, it's no picnic (but again, full blown AIDS is not HIV).

[corlene]

^the med approved here state aide is called truvada.and unlike most Gilead products, are not ~30k for 28 pills, just 1500 for 30.

Still too high for most to afford.. sucks really 😢

[Wildcat]

^the med approved here state aide is called truvada.and unlike most Gilead products, are not ~30k for 28 pills, just 1500 for 30.

Still too high for most to afford.. sucks really 😢

you would think that they would be FREE-to keep the spread down!!!

[corlene]

@wildcat,

If you have HIV/AIDS and can't get meds to help you, you've gotta be living on the moon. Even in Africa people who want help get help

[Wildcat]

@wildcat,

If you have HIV/AIDS and can't get meds to help you, you've gotta be living on the moon. Even in Africa people who want help get help

(?!) I do realize this Corlene.  And I'm pretty sure those living on the moon realize this too.

I was not talking about HIV/AIDS patients. (For whom the anti-viral's  have been available no matter your financial circumstance for some time now)

 I only meant that those drugs(that may suppress the virus) that are meant for those who will still have unprotected sex with an hiv + partner, should be more accessible rather than1500$ for 30-s

[makita]

This story is not about Charlie Sheen callously barebacking with thousands of women while being infectious with HIV.

This story is about HIV stigma, and lack of accurate info, and the hysterical reaction of some corners of the press (and some individuals here) is a great example of exactly that. 

For example, someone who has an undetectable viral load from being on suppressive meds is basically near-impossible to get HIV from, even without using any other safer sex methods...and if you add Truvada to the mix you are totally solid; it is marketed specifically for people who are in sero-discordant relationships (where one person is pos and the other is neg), to make sure the neg party stays that way even if they stop using condoms. 

Jesus.  Judging from the way this thread alone started, how much would YOU want to come out if you were HIV+?  If anything it's bullshit moral panic reactions that keep HIV spreading, because they keep people from getting tested out of fear...and people who don't get tested and don't know their status, or assume they are neg, are the ones who are infecting their partners.  Not some imaginary population of sociopaths who know they are positive and decide to keep fucking their way through the neighborhood without condoms anyway. 

And corlene it is absolutely NOT true that people all over the world have affordable access to HIV drugs, esp in low and middle income countries.  2/3 of adults and 3/4 of children living with AIDS are not on treatment for financial or other access related reasons.  Millions of people a year die because of this, partly because of the expense charged by big pharma for the drugs and partly because of donation money drying up, esp post-recession and with everyone thinking that HIV is basically nbd anymore.  http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/01/millions-hiv-die-lack-access-aids-drugs

With all due respect corlene, I like you and you have of a lot of interesting things to say.  But this is not the first time you've made sweepingly inaccurate statements in which you generalize your personal view/experience of the medical system, which seems (despite the personal pain of illness and disability) to come from a place of significant access and social privilege.  You seem to assume your experience is similar to to that of everyone else in the country/world, but it's just not so.  I'm sure we all wish it was.     

[corlene]

This is a serious issue for me, just because I simply hate this virus and hepc.

I don't really trust the article all that much as its been proven many many times over that if you get tested (costs less than a dollar for the test)and get meds (generally free to the poor) you can live a productive life.

That's true the world over. I know it's happening in Africa as I have a friend over there in ebola land at a NGO  HIV clinic, and there are thousands of patients who actively are getting help, for free.

There are dozens of these clinics all over africa. All of these companies who are developing these new state of the art drugs, give a shit ton away for tax credits. If people seek out treatment you can get it for free, or an affordable price based upon your earnings.

If you live in the US the Ryan White program will take care of every health related problem including dental and eyes etc, if your HIV+ for free. Things in Africa are different but if you want help, you can certainly get it for free.

And in india, they don't believe in US patent laws on druga, so they produce generics of the new great wonder drugs for pennies, and nearly all Indians have access to treatment from the government for chronic stuff such as hiv/hep/TB etc.

[Reezy]

You know. I now see how the HIV stigma is really a big deal.

I'm about 10,000% sure i am negative. i generally fuck good girls and sometimes use condoms and don't have sex like every week.


This thread made me think. I saw QuitingTomorows post on new orleans places that pay to have you tested and i wanted money. I thought about it and realized even I was nervous and unsure about getting tested.

[makita]

You know. I now see how the HIV stigma is really a big deal.

I'm about 10,000% sure i am negative. i generally fuck good girls and sometimes use condoms and don't have sex like every week.


This thread made me think. I saw QuitingTomorows post on new orleans places that pay to have you tested and i wanted money. I thought about it and realized even I was nervous and unsure about getting tested.

What's a 'good girl'?  And why would a good girl be unable to be HIV+ or pass it to you?  Why would having less frequent sex protect you, when you don't know your partners' status? 

Not being sarcastic here.  Just pointing out that's part of the stigma, and it leads to a lot of false assumptions that lead to risky behavior.  Good girls can have and enjoy lots of sex, good girls get exposed to HIV.  So do good boys. 

A person you fucked once could be pos, and a person you fucked every week could be neg.  The only thing that matters in terms of getting HIV is whether you were exposed to HIV.   You could have sex once every 10 years with someone who also had sex once every 10 years, and you could still be exposed.   

I have no problem if someone makes informed choices to take some sexual risks.  I just think it's really important to separate facts from "facts" (stigma and assumptions, usually rooted in sexism and/or homophobia). 

For example I'm 100% single for the first time in my adult life and I'm contemplating whether I want to drop some of my previous safer sex habits now that I'm only responsible for myself, like using gloves and maybe also dental dams with casual partners.  The HIV risk of those activities is extremely low, and the risk/reward ratio of other STIs (depending on things like age, the chances of us both being HSV1+ and/or one of us having had the Gardasil vax) is low enough that it might be worth it. 

That is very different however than how I behaved 15-20 years ago, when there were almost no studies about anything other than PIV or PIAss sex, and I operated on the assumption that finger fucking and oral sex between women was totally safe...an assumption that was justified by the lack of data which ITSELF was motivated by the cultural idea that digital or oral sex (esp involving 2 vaginas...and btw trans people just didn't exist in those studies) wasn't "really sex" and therefore didn't need any studies done. 

[Reezy]

Yea, i kno what your saying and I understand that all it takes is once. What I ment by that is either A:I kinda know there background or B:they are catholic school girls lol those are pretty um whats the word though.. lol so yea i can never know.

For example, I wouldnt fuck an escort without a condom even though i fucking hate condoms. I gotta try some of those LambSkin ones, i hear those feel like the real deal.

[Opus]

Gloves?!?

Holy shit when it comes to that,I will either be celibate, or monagamous & thoroughly tested.

I'm drawing the line at condoms, which are bad enough..

[puppy]

Yea, i kno what your saying and I understand that all it takes is once. What I ment by that is either A:I kinda know there background or B:they are catholic school girls lol those are pretty um whats the word though.. lol so yea i can never know.

For example, I wouldnt fuck an escort without a condom even though i fucking hate condoms. I gotta try some of those LambSkin ones, i hear those feel like the real deal.

No No No!!! Lambskin protect against pregnancy only....NOT AGAINTS STD's or AIDS!!!

[Narkotikon]

I'm gonna second that lambskin condoms don't protect against STD's like HIV. I think it's because the virus is able to pass between lambskin whereas it can't with latex.

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I'm not making fun of you at all Makita. I think it's great you're so responsible when it comes to safe sex. But I was surprised to hear about the dental dams and gloves. I've never known someone to use those. I've seen gloves used in fisting videos, but never in person (I've never fisted or been fisted).

Coming from an OCD standpoint though, I say more power to you. I'm usually freaked out after sex with fears of contamination. That's part of the reason why I've not had sex in a little over five years. There are other reasons though, including I have absolutely no sex drive currently. Years of opiate use have taken its toll. Subs greatly reduced my libido. And whatever was left has been killed by Paxil. 

[smalls]

I would like to add that the few Catholic school girls I knew were actually very promiscuous. And ALL of the sex workers I've known have practiced the safest sex of anyone I've ever met.