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Title: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: clinton on November 12, 2015, 08:39:27 PM
I've been reading and finding that many people here  on MMT don't follow proper protocol and abuse the meds that are supposed to be helping them. How many of you actually lock them away and use them according to schedule ? If you do abuse them how many do you take in one sitting ? How do you handle the week without your daily do ?  Do you use h or other opiates on top of it ? What was your reason for entering maintenance?  To legitimatly get better and attempt to fix your life or was it a means to guarantee that you'll have a steady supply of narcotics and hopefully help keep you out of w/ds....
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Griffin on November 12, 2015, 09:00:33 PM
I take mine as prescribed. When I first started I would sometimes dip into my future doses after the honeymoon phases. It never did anything for me. I usually ended up feeling a little down 2-3 days after doing it anyway but that could of been in my head. I haven't used any extra in the last year. The last time I did was to help me get some sleep at night. I couldn't sleep so I took maybe 20 mgs extra and it helped but I haven't done that in over a year.

The 7th of this month was my 2 years clean from all opiates except done I have been trying to stay away from benzos because they were becoming a problem. I have only taken them a few days a month for the last year and have been able to stay away sense September. They just cause more problems then its worth even though I can get a script for them monthly.

I was on 2 weeks at a time when I got arrested for my methadone dui. After 4 months of staying clean without methadone I started back on MMT July 1st. I am now working my way back to that. I just got my phase 3 which means I go mon, tues, thurs, and fri. At the beginning of January I will get phase 4 which means I will go 3 days a week. Then I have to wait 3 months after that for weeklies and 3 months after that for 2 weeks at a time.

Basically it takes 9 months to get weeklies and a year to get 2 weeks at a time. You also can't miss any appointments, UAs, or doses and can't fail any UAs. They changed it after I had already gotten to 2 weeks at a time you used to be able to do it 3 months faster but now they make you have 3 months of not messing up to get your first phase.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Lolleedee on November 12, 2015, 10:57:33 PM
@Griffin...Sooooo jealous of your take home schedule.  My clinic is 18 months (all clean ua's etc.) for a week and EIGHTEEN months for two weeks..which is the maximum amount we can ever get!

Anyway, I pick up for the week on friday.  I usually take my full dose(i am on split dosing) and the next days full dose on friday morning.  It allows me to feel  content with a burst of energy that I don't get from dosing single doses, even if they are not split.

The rest of the week I take a prescribed.  This, of course leaves me short a dose for Thursday, which is the day before my pickup.  I am sometimes a bit uncomfortable the day I miss, but nothing to write home about.  It makes the next mornings double dose a bit nicer.

I have stopped shooting dope, but I am still scripted Duragesic patches (by my pcp who does not drug test thank the good lord above..or whoever!).  i get ten a month (100mcg-brand name patchs) that I use bucally and go through in about three days. 

The three days I have the patches are great because I am able to be virtually pain-free, which, due to my Rheumatoid Arthritis and my failed spinal fusion, is a blessing.

I wish I could go to pain management again, but I know how that would turn out!!!  I am unable to control my drug use and would eventually get kicked out.  I doubt any doctor would prescribe me anything for pain management if they knew my history.  Hence, why things are currently the way they are!

In an ideal, pain management world, I would be back on Actiq or Fentora or other immediate release fentanyl product for pain and remain on the methadone to treat my addiction!  The one thing I have noticed is that it is no longer a travesty when I am out of fent patches.  The done covers the withdrawl from them and helps me not to crave them so much.  Very helpful because not only is fentanyl my absolute favorite, but I find it to be a very fiendy drug in general.

I went on MMT (this time) because my life was in the crapper.  I was always sick, I had started to steal meds and I'm sure if I had kept going I would have been in jail.  My home life sucked as I went to the extremes...extreme sickness or extremely loaded and non functioning.  MMT has given me the stability I need.

Even thouygh I am not doing it perfectly, for me it is a huge improvement that has allowed me to get my life and relationships back...and for now, that is good enough for me!!!
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: clinton on November 12, 2015, 11:00:34 PM
Exactly what I was looking for Lolleedee and Griffin , thank you..hopefully we get more responses ...
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Chip on November 13, 2015, 12:20:10 AM
I'm all over the place as I tend to have mine earlier and earlier and occasionally add a bit more.

then I struggle at the end on occasion.

my good friend also throws me s little M. and that's a great comfort.

this week, I am on track.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: clinton on November 13, 2015, 12:23:39 AM
Proud of you ..keep it up ..you'll thank yourself trust me .
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: corlene on November 13, 2015, 12:34:29 AM
@Griffin...Sooooo jealous of your take home schedule.  My clinic is 18 months (all clean ua's etc.) for a week and EIGHTEEN months for two weeks..which is the maximum amount we can ever get!

Anyway, I pick up for the week on friday.  I usually take my full dose(i am on split dosing) and the next days full dose on friday morning.  It allows me to feel  content with a burst of energy that I don't get from dosing single doses, even if they are not split.

The rest of the week I take a prescribed.  This, of course leaves me short a dose for Thursday, which is the day before my pickup.  I am sometimes a bit uncomfortable the day I miss, but nothing to write home about.  It makes the next mornings double dose a bit nicer.

I have stopped shooting dope, but I am still scripted Duragesic patches (by my pcp who does not drug test thank the good lord above..or whoever!).  i get ten a month (100mcg-brand name patchs) that I use bucally and go through in about three days. 

The three days I have the patches are great because I am able to be virtually pain-free, which, due to my Rheumatoid Arthritis and my failed spinal fusion, is a blessing.

I wish I could go to pain management again, but I know how that would turn out!!!  I am unable to control my drug use and would eventually get kicked out.  I doubt any doctor would prescribe me anything for pain management if they knew my history.  Hence, why things are currently the way they are!

In an ideal, pain management world, I would be back on Actiq or Fentora or other immediate release fentanyl product for pain and remain on the methadone to treat my addiction!  The one thing I have noticed is that it is no longer a travesty when I am out of fent patches.  The done covers the withdrawl from them and helps me not to crave them so much.  Very helpful because not only is fentanyl my absolute favorite, but I find it to be a very fiendy drug in general.

I went on MMT (this time) because my life was in the crapper.  I was always sick, I had started to steal meds and I'm sure if I had kept going I would have been in jail.  My home life sucked as I went to the extremes...extreme sickness or extremely loaded and non functioning.  MMT has given me the stability I need.

Even thouygh I am not doing it perfectly, for me it is a huge improvement that has allowed me to get my life and relationships back...and for now, that is good enough for me!!!

I have the option for fentora, actiq, onsolis too. Over all of the bt fent meds I'd rather have the fentora tho. But in the end a portable pCA is really where it at, which is what I have now.

There is a doctor here who starts u out on a month of oxycontin or opana er with break thru meds, and the following month ur on patches and ur choice of fent bt meds.

A month after that patches, fent bt med, and oral bt meds.

This guy is a neurologist who deals strictly with people who have failed back surgeries and crps/rsd. Im really suprised he hasn't been busted yet. He's been doing it since 99. I saw em for a couple years even.

Crooked as all hell, but he does take insurance and will fill out all the paperwork u need to get a very low copay on the meds, or even free from their patient assistance programs.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Lolleedee on November 13, 2015, 01:21:25 AM
@Griffin...Sooooo jealous of your take home schedule.  My clinic is 18 months (all clean ua's etc.) for a week and EIGHTEEN months for two weeks..which is the maximum amount we can ever get!

Anyway, I pick up for the week on friday.  I usually take my full dose(i am on split dosing) and the next days full dose on friday morning.  It allows me to feel  content with a burst of energy that I don't get from dosing single doses, even if they are not split.

The rest of the week I take a prescribed.  This, of course leaves me short a dose for Thursday, which is the day before my pickup.  I am sometimes a bit uncomfortable the day I miss, but nothing to write home about.  It makes the next mornings double dose a bit nicer.

I have stopped shooting dope, but I am still scripted Duragesic patches (by my pcp who does not drug test thank the good lord above..or whoever!).  i get ten a month (100mcg-brand name patchs) that I use bucally and go through in about three days. 

The three days I have the patches are great because I am able to be virtually pain-free, which, due to my Rheumatoid Arthritis and my failed spinal fusion, is a blessing.

I wish I could go to pain management again, but I know how that would turn out!!!  I am unable to control my drug use and would eventually get kicked out.  I doubt any doctor would prescribe me anything for pain management if they knew my history.  Hence, why things are currently the way they are!

In an ideal, pain management world, I would be back on Actiq or Fentora or other immediate release fentanyl product for pain and remain on the methadone to treat my addiction!  The one thing I have noticed is that it is no longer a travesty when I am out of fent patches.  The done covers the withdrawl from them and helps me not to crave them so much.  Very helpful because not only is fentanyl my absolute favorite, but I find it to be a very fiendy drug in general.

I went on MMT (this time) because my life was in the crapper.  I was always sick, I had started to steal meds and I'm sure if I had kept going I would have been in jail.  My home life sucked as I went to the extremes...extreme sickness or extremely loaded and non functioning.  MMT has given me the stability I need.

Even thouygh I am not doing it perfectly, for me it is a huge improvement that has allowed me to get my life and relationships back...and for now, that is good enough for me!!!

I have the option for fentora, actiq, onsolis too. Over all of the bt fent meds I'd rather have the fentora tho. But in the end a portable pCA is really where it at, which is what I have now.

There is a doctor here who starts u out on a month of oxycontin or opana er with break thru meds, and the following month ur on patches and ur choice of fent bt meds.

A month after that patches, fent bt med, and oral bt meds.

This guy is a neurologist who deals strictly with people who have failed back surgeries and crps/rsd. Im really suprised he hasn't been busted yet. He's been doing it since 99. I saw em for a couple years even.

Crooked as all hell, but he does take insurance and will fill out all the paperwork u need to get a very low copay on the meds, or even free from their patient assistance programs.

Actiq was awesome for pain.  I was on it years back when I was on pain management.  At that time I also had two spinal cord stimulator trials, but they were unable to get the leads around the hardware in my back so it didn't work.  I was really disappointed that it wasn't an option for me.

I wish I was close enough to see the guy you are talking about!  fent is the only thing that touches my pain..i'm sure the done has everything to do with that!

I would be much happier if my RA pain was in better contol.  I was on Embrel, which worked great.  When my insurance changed they would not approve the dosage I required. (they would only pay for 4 injections vs. the 8 I needed per month.).  I then did two, twelve infusion Remicade cycles.  That didn't work at all!  So, I've been riding the prednisone train for a year, but it has taken a toll on my body.  I just broke my knee and hand last week..that's my fifth bone break this year..yay prednisone and brittle bones!!!

I wish I had access to the fent, because when I have it I do
n't need to use the prednisone at all!  But, like I mentioned, my chances for pain management are like zilch!

Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Pullmyhair. on November 13, 2015, 01:26:28 AM
I technically abuse my takehomes, but I've used them on the same schedule for 7 or 8 years, and I've not used illicit drugs in over 5 years. I basically shoot massive doses two days a week (tue and fri), and then take a smaller dose on Saturdays. The two days I go without twice a week aren't a problem, I can still go to work/do whatever. It's a schedule that allows me to get loaded twice a week without any real withdrawals the rest of the time. I prefer doing it this way than to dosing everyday and feeling nothing from my dose. Plus, I feel like there are far less side effects. If you're a fast metabolizer, this kind of schedule obviously wouldn't work, but if you aren't, it's kind of the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: 40mgtofreedom on November 13, 2015, 02:08:32 AM
I technically abuse my takehomes, but I've used them on the same schedule for 7 or 8 years, and I've not used illicit drugs in over 5 years. I basically shoot massive doses two days a week (tue and fri), and then take a smaller dose on Saturdays. The two days I go without twice a week aren't a problem, I can still go to work/do whatever. It's a schedule that allows me to get loaded twice a week without any real withdrawals the rest of the time. I prefer doing it this way than to dosing everyday and feeling nothing from my dose. Plus, I feel like there are far less side effects. If you're a fast metabolizer, this kind of schedule obviously wouldn't work, but if you aren't, it's kind of the best of both worlds.
ive quoted you before and said this before but ill say it again

i do the same exact thing taking lope by thur fri sat,  done this way for 3 years, really enjoy it because i get to get high 2 days a week as well as still feel really really good the third day, feel maybe a litle sub par thur when i start taking lope which leaves me feeling just fine....

i can get high as hell for these says for very little money, steadily
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: quzyke on November 14, 2015, 05:39:18 AM
I used to abuse all of my takehomes, and bought extra methadone on top. Sometimes by the pickle jars full of delicious done. I would drink like 400mg or more at a time and redosed. I came close to dying multiple times as I was on high dose benzodiazepines as well and really pushed my luck by drinking on top of it all.

I'm glad to be able to say I now use my 'done as Rxed and can control my craving to take double-quadruple doses.

After years of daily clinic visits and losing takehomes I can finally go 3x a week. Sure I don't get high anymore (although my Ritalin and benzodiazepines give me a little euphoria on top of the done), but I get the ability to fix my life instead. I finally find that important and doable.

In short, don't abuse your methadone and stay as low dose as you can. I'm on 112mg because I kept chasing a non-existent buzz that I felt in the honeymoon period.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Zoops on November 14, 2015, 06:32:03 AM
Jealous of all you motherfuckers who get scripted all those tasty narcotics.

Me, I'm mixin up poppy seeds drinkin a few beers, and smokin weed a little bit when I get the chance.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: quzyke on November 14, 2015, 07:09:31 AM
Jealous of all you motherfuckers who get scripted all those tasty narcotics.

Me, I'm mixin up poppy seeds drinkin a few beers, and smokin weed a little bit when I get the chance.

I wish I could trade for that honestly, I am dreading the tapering so much. I do love me some PST as well but sadly I can't drink any due to urine tests I can't afford to fail.

Less is more my friend.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Z on November 14, 2015, 11:09:06 AM
I abuse mine too.  I am scripted split doses, and take two days worth at once then skip the next day.  I get pretty loaded quad dosing essentially and never feel sick.  Maybe a bit anxious for an hour before I dose. My baseline dose is half of my script, so sometimes I just set the extra aside.

Now I'm dreaming of pickle jars of done.  Methadone is actually one if my favorite drugs. I love the speedy noddy rush. Even the come up from an oral dose is nice, an reminiscent of an Iv rush.


What about you Clinton?  Back on the straight and narrow?
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: clinton on November 15, 2015, 07:24:05 PM
I still abuse mine as well.. I try to make them last but sadly no...and I get so pissed when I'm at work sweating and anxious , asking myself why my present self loves to fuck the future version of me.

I get 6 carries a week of 120 mgs and shoot a half bottle at a time in a vain attempt to keep my supply longer ..
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Chip on November 17, 2015, 11:25:33 AM
i'm slowly managing to try to shoot it less and to get back to my taper ... this week has been good.

my tapering schedule keeps blowing out but thankfully my veins are trashed ... i can stop when i have no choice  ::)

it's a form of madness because i always end up feeling crappy and suffering.

you will never taper off methadone whilst attempting to shoot it  -so - the oral route is best; it trains you to not look for the tiniest of buzzes.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Smacky-Doodle 2.0 on November 17, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Yeah I abuse my take homes....  8)

My life HAS gotten much better, and although I don't lock them away and use them as intended, I still manage to stay pretty stable and I only suffer mild w/d's 2x a week.

As others have said, I've adhered to the same schedule for years....I've kind of formulated my own dosing guidelines....it just doesn't jive with what Doc would have me do.

I'll dive into some dope every once in a while, but I'm normally VERY disappointed with myself and end up regretting it for the most part.

Like I said, just because I DO abuse them....I don't go to the extreme, and MMT has greatly improved my life....just ask my SO, my  boss, and my daughters.

Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Z on November 17, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
Same situation here SD.  I abuse them on a regular schedule, and have actually negotiated my sleeping standing up days with the wife.  It gives me a compromise between straight sobriety, and straight junky.  I am at my most productive when I have a good dose of methadone in me.  Not too much, but definitely a fair bit more then I strictly speaking need.  A good methadone buzz gets me bizzing around doing everything quickly and efficiently.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Chip on November 17, 2015, 02:54:21 PM
i never knew there were so many of us playing with this long-acting, side-effect ridden, "heavy" synthetic/opioid

i am quite surprised ... are we Methadone addicts ?
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Smacky-Doodle 2.0 on November 17, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
i am quite surprised ... are we Methadone addicts ?

yes, I certainly AM.  Maybe if I had a better supply for decent, reasonably-priced smackage from a 'reliable' source.....I wouldn't fuck with it.
In my present location, $220 for a heavily pinched bag of some 50/50 shit is the going rate, UNLESS you know someone moving weight.

But for now yes, "that kind of thing definitely IS my bag, baby."
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Opus on November 17, 2015, 04:31:12 PM
Heh, up until today I could say it's been months, but yesterday I fractionated off some ether and used that for a base pull, evaporated it (~15mg) on some Al foil and, erm, Boro was right, it really doesn't take much freebase methadone to get high. It tastes NASTY as fuck, but it works well.

I fucked up when I did the ether distillation and I'm sure there were some hexanes in it (it was starting fluid); and once I added the solvent after basing with literally like 5 grains of lye, there was a significant emulsion layer - pretty nasty really. So a whole bunch of nacl knocked the emulsion down quite a bit, but it was never completely gone and after 12 hrs it had a pretty thick consistency. After evaporation there were a couple red spots from the emulsion layer and they were NASTY when I vaped it, so you've been warned, get that crap out of the solvent before you evap if you do this.

I suspect the trick might be a hexane wash before basing. The ether worked like a charm for the base MD tho, although it took awhile for the mother liquor to clear up after the naoh addition, not sure if that was cos of the nacl or just time; but it certainly worked.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Z on November 17, 2015, 05:05:25 PM
Did you have to do the long and slow heating and cooling cycles to grow the grains, or they appeared relatively quickly?  That was biggest, well only really, problem that I had with boro's tek.  I could never figure out if he had acually done it himself since his directions were so horrible.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Chip on November 17, 2015, 06:01:45 PM
we are all doomed; abusing our last line of treatment ;)
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Opus on November 17, 2015, 06:18:15 PM
Did you have to do the long and slow heating and cooling cycles to grow the grains, or they appeared relatively quickly?  That was biggest, well only really, problem that I had with boro's tek.  I could never figure out if he had acually done it himself since his directions were so horrible.

No, instead of trying to filter the xtals out of the linctus, I extracted the base into ether and then evaporated it on foil.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: clinton on November 18, 2015, 08:52:03 PM
Yes I'm a methadone addict ..a good shot is quite euphoric
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Opus on November 18, 2015, 09:35:00 PM
K so I did it again. This time I washed the juice with an ~equal amount of hexanes, then separated the layers before proceeding like before. It made a mess! The hexane fraction is full of NASTY ASS GOO! I have no idea wtf it is.

So I was a little worried that I effed up that dose with the hexane -- I'm still not sure that I didn't, but I hit it with a little bit of lye again and it instantly went opaque like it usually does, so I added some (much cleaner this time!) ether and now I'm waiting for the aqueous layer to clear up so I can find out for sure.

I wonder WTF the goo is? It looks like straight up snot, just a nasty weird whitish-grey goopy polymer of some sort.

If it turns out there's no dope in the ether layer, I guess I know where to look..
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Opus on November 19, 2015, 02:25:47 PM
Sep'd off the ether fraction this am and evaporated it very quickly over a little heat (no flames!) - this method works VERY well, I'm surprised at how high I get off such relatively small amts of MD base.

I'd call the initial hexane wash optional, I'm not sure it made a huge difference but it sure did pull a lot of crud out of the initial liquor. I noticed on the foil at the time of vaping a small yellowish trail, I suspect that was the freebase 'done. You can tell for sure you're getting a hit with this stuff cos it will numb your tongue & mouth, and shortly after that it comes on like an IV hit.

So ya, ether FTW. If people care I could write this up a little better. I don't think that using your maintenance meds like this on the regular is a fantastic idea, but I do believe in cognitive liberty and freedom of information.

One more over the bow in the war on drugs.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Chip on November 19, 2015, 09:44:46 PM
Opus, you might want to copy/rewrite your technique and place it into the Chemistry board ... your call.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: 40mgtofreedom on November 20, 2015, 01:42:28 AM
K so I did it again. This time I washed the juice with an ~equal amount of hexanes, then separated the layers before proceeding like before. It made a mess! The hexane fraction is full of NASTY ASS GOO! I have no idea wtf it is.

So I was a little worried that I effed up that dose with the hexane -- I'm still not sure that I didn't, but I hit it with a little bit of lye again and it instantly went opaque like it usually does, so I added some (much cleaner this time!) ether and now I'm waiting for the aqueous layer to clear up so I can find out for sure.

I wonder WTF the goo is? It looks like straight up snot, just a nasty weird whitish-grey goopy polymer of some sort.

If it turns out there's no dope in the ether layer, I guess I know where to look..

the goo and nastiness and bad taste is from the sugar that is so far impossible for me to seperate, dont believe me, put some sugar on foil and "vape" it same taste

boro was full of shit
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: quzyke on November 20, 2015, 04:38:33 AM
Well I lost my takehomes again after taking 3 days worth and not finding a way out of w/ds. So I called my doctor and was allowed to go pick up my missed doses but I'm back on Sundays takehome only. Ugh...

The buzz was kinda worth it though lol.  ::) :P

And yeah boro was indeed full of shit, it tasted horrible and made it almost impossible to smoke the shit. The good thing is you can turn the goo back into regular drinkable methadone by adding white vinegar until the solution is clear. Tasted like crap very chemical but it did come on much stronger. I used ammonia to make the freebase methadone in solution.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Chip on November 20, 2015, 04:44:48 AM
Quote
The buzz was kinda worth it though lol.  ::) :P

back of the queue for you, it's a pity that you couldn't resist temptation ... nonetheless, i urge you to consider taking it for stability, not a DOC.

sad to hear this. personally, i am stable atm.

have another go, you might as well ...
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: quzyke on November 20, 2015, 06:22:53 AM
Yeah, I do see it as a major setback honestly... I find myself craving a double dosage again today. After being stable for that long (for me anyway) that tripled dosage hit me like a brick wall mixed with my usual beer. Haven't had such strong cravings for an opi high in ages honestly...

Truly feels like back of the queue again, I put your quote in my signature if you don't mind, I recall people doing that back on Opio and it really hit home for me, maybe it'll remind me what (not) to do in the future when I read my own posts.

I'm going to try to get stable and my takehomes back asap, hopefully this craving will pass... Oh well, gotta pay the piper I guess.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Opus on November 20, 2015, 01:12:45 PM
@40 & Quzyke

Boro was FOS about many things, but this one he was right about (outside of the xtal filtering thing). You guys might not have your tek down, but if you ever get it, you'll see what I'm talking about.

When you get a proper hit that numbs the fuck out of your tongue and lips: you'll see...

Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Snoop on November 20, 2015, 02:45:13 PM
Im on two weeks of carries...

I used to set myself back for up to an entire week.

I don't do that anymore, not since the baby. Its not fair to him. Me being all fucked off, edgy and impatient.

Plus, (and I gotta give credit to Opus for this one) THIS STUFF ISN'T DOPE... Its maintenance medication.

Plus im still riding the Benzo Snake, and Doc recently added Gabapentin to the mix.

And even at my 90mg dose and 1mg Xanax the Gaba gets me fucking twisted.

Had to start taking the shit at night. No joke.

PS- I can't seem to get that tek down either. I think I halfway got it down, but nothing went numb, except my grey matter trying to get it right.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Opus on November 20, 2015, 03:51:48 PM
So I evaporated the results of the hexane wash and sure enough it's just sugar and red dye. It didn't get all the dye, but it did get almost all of the sugar. So the answer to your question 40 (how to remove the sugar), is a hexane wash.

Hexanes are very easily found OTC, even here in CA (at least they were 6mos ago).

The little bit of red goo that I tasted has left a just barely numb spot on my tongue, so there are definitely losses involved with this, but that's true for almost all chemistry and that some came over in the hexanes might be mitigated by some PH adjustment, but I'm not sure which way, maybe a little towards acid, then wash, then base, then pull with ether -- that's a guess. Also I suspect with very pure ether no sugar would come over at all, so the hexane wash may not even be needed unless you're not doing a solvent extraction. I bet the reason for the emulsion on my first try was because the ether was contaminated with hexanes.

So I think the losses are probably mostly gained back by good lab procedure and by the massively efficient gains had by bypassing your entire GI system and getting something so lipid soluble up in the noggin so quickly; but again I agree with people who warn against abusing maintenance meds, freebasing your methadone probably isn't the best idea if you have nowhere else to turn.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: 40mgtofreedom on November 20, 2015, 10:08:10 PM
boros post were all about using lye or ammonia for basing and no mention of cleaning with ether whatsoever, thats why i say hes full of shit in this aspect because he went on and on about doing it and if he actually had he would have found that his method left you with sugar and methadone

i dont think boro actually DID anything he said he did

Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Opus on November 20, 2015, 10:39:52 PM
boros post were all about using lye or ammonia for basing and no mention of cleaning with ether whatsoever, thats why i say hes full of shit in this aspect because he went on and on about doing it and if he actually had he would have found that his method left you with sugar and methadone

i dont think boro actually DID anything he said he did

Ya I tend to agree. I did once manage to filter SOME xtals from the goop (using a tp plug and some vacuum) but it never worked well for me either.

So I evaporated the "mother liquor" - the original solution I pulled the 'done from, and it left a goopy mess. Seemed like more sugar (maybe a different kind? or maybe the hexanes didn't get it all) and NO numbness at all on tasting, only sweet; nor did it seem to be alkaline at all. So that all leads me to believe that the ether pull worked like fucking AWESOMELY well. FKNA.

For the record here, distilling ether is VERY easy, it boils at 35.5C, like 100F, that means you only need something ether proof, but not heat proof, to distill it. Not that I'm suggesting you should freebase your methadone, cos you most definitely SHOULD NOT freebase your methadone, that is of course unless you want to, in which case, this tek works pretty well.. Skip the hexane wash and just go straight to the ether part tho, no need for the hexanes if you only want the base.

MAD PROPS TO RJ FOR THE SOLVENT ADVICE!!!11!11!1 I've missed having a real chemist in this place!
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: quzyke on November 21, 2015, 09:42:03 AM
I get my takehomes in capsule form and inside is pure methadone hcl mixed with guargum. The guargum is a thickening agent, does anyone have any idea on how to seperate that fucking guargum from the powder? It would leave me with pure methadone hcl powder which I can then use ammonia in a spoon on to make it smokeable.

I tried basifying and smoking it with the guargum but the smoke was extremely harsh (snorting worked well but the burn is insane and ruins the rush). If anyone has any idea I will love you forever! PURE METHADONE POWDER! I also get 4mg/ml solution in distilled water on other days but don't get to take that home sadly due to my IV past.

Oral methadone without sugar is way stronger for some reason, in both capsule and water solution forms. My apothecary says it might have something to do with the viscosity. All I know is I got ultra high the first 3 days they switched to the sugarless solution. I also get w/ds from sugar-form solution methadone even though it's still 112mg.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: Chip on June 18, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
Proud of you ..keep it up ..you'll thank yourself trust me .

It's now 18 months since i used Methadone and the needle ... now i'm stims, GABA and drink heaps ... at least i can forget about cellulitis !  :D
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: bignasty on July 26, 2018, 09:27:14 PM
I only get take homes on Sundays right now and usually double dose on Sat mornings but lately I've been waiting until at least 7-10 PM on Sat night before taking my Sunday take home. The last 2 wks, I've managed to take it on Sunday morning at 3-5 AM. Even when I double dose on Sat mornings, I have virtually no WD symptoms and I'm a fast metabolizer.

I'm hoping when I phase up to 2 take homes a week that they won't give me 2 take homes on Fri morning 'cause I'd definitely get some WD symptoms if I triple dosed on Fri morning and had to go 72 hrs without anything. I think I'll be able to control myself and maybe just double dose on Sat morning with a little kpin mixed in since I don't have to go to work. Triple dosing on Fridays might get me in trouble at work 'cause I'd probably be nodding at my desk all day.
Title: Re: MMT : How Many Of You Abuse Your Takehomes ?
Post by: bobbytarantino on December 01, 2018, 02:37:16 AM
         when i first started on methadone way back when, i got up to a hundred, which was the limit before you have a consult with the doctor a second time and plead your case on why would would need more than 100 mg.

      granted, i was pretty strung out at the time; a little over a gram of high potency tar a day, and i felt it was what i needed to stop burning money on tar while i was on 100 mg a day of methadone.

     so i got into buying 3/5ml syringes with luer lock needles and shooting my take homes as soon as i got them. i just had needle fever still and just wanted to jab anything into my arm. the strength of the methadone was 10mg/ml and would have to do multiple shots with worn out needles because of situation and state that i live in.

   the most terrible part about shooting the takehomes, is that i literally lost every single vein in my arms. i was at the hospital the other day and i had 4 different people try to take my blood until i miraculously got them to let me try. i found a tiny vein on the side of my knuckle that managed, slowly but surely to satisfy the sample.

    many relapses later i was already worn out vein wise so i just stuck to the quit using needle drugs for the most part and life got better and i didnt fuck around the second time. i worked my was down from a lot. sometimes perspective is helpful the second time around with something as strong as methadone
     
    At this point in my junkie career, i pretty much forgot about IV anything...IM tar if i were to even dabble. and i blame it on shooting my take homes.. and or tar/pills with little to no access to clean needles or truly "sterile" technique.