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Title: D&U election 2016.
Post by: nick on October 15, 2016, 04:41:20 AM
I'm sorry,I appreciate you're all probably sick to death of elections,but it's time to vote for the site's mods and admins(2 admin,4 mods) for another year.
If you're interested,nominate yourself in this thread-we'll close nominations in a week(October 21st)

Like to also thank all of you who spent the last year thanklessly modding and administering the site.You've all been great and I hope you ALL decide to nominate yourselves  for another year of thankless labour.

One thing's for sure,whoever gets elected will do a better job than whoever wins the presidency.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Z on October 15, 2016, 09:31:00 PM
Good luck to the next crop.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: AllNightLong on October 16, 2016, 12:10:41 PM
I would like a chance to be a mod again. I tried last time but didn't get enough votes. Been here for over a year and on Opiophile for several years before that.

For those that don't know me I have 15 years in the game and while I am prescribed Suboxone I still use dope and coke on the regular. Somehow I have been with the same doc since 2009 without being shown the door for multiple dirty UA's. Anyway vote for me cause I won't be like the others that got elected last time and never showed up to moderate.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 17, 2016, 08:42:54 AM
I'd like to announce I'm not going to run again thus year
While I do appreciate being made a mod when Jega took a break
It's not something I'm rrally interested in doing

I'm probably not gonna be posting as much or visiting as much now that I'm sober

If you're gonna run, please be someone who checks the site 2x/day and knows the members
don't be afraid to tell someone to stfu (but you know, only when they deserve it, and do it nicely)
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: George on October 18, 2016, 05:32:02 PM
I'd like to announce I'm not going to run again thus year
While I do appreciate being made a mod when Jega took a break
It's not something I'm rrally interested in doing

I'm probably not gonna be posting as much or visiting as much now that I'm sober

If you're gonna run, please be someone who checks the site 2x/day and knows the members
don't be afraid to tell someone to stfu (but you know, only when they deserve it, and do it nicely)

Congratz on the sobriety, don't even be reading this. Sometimes they speak truth, you must avoid those triggers.

I nominate nick, chipper, the sicko puppet, the nurse girl, the guy who's always high as shit on dilaudid, Z (whover there fuck he is), and AllNightLong
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Tainted on October 19, 2016, 07:21:05 AM
I'd like to announce I'm not going to run again thus year
While I do appreciate being made a mod when Jega took a break
It's not something I'm rrally interested in doing

I'm probably not gonna be posting as much or visiting as much now that I'm sober

If you're gonna run, please be someone who checks the site 2x/day and knows the members
don't be afraid to tell someone to stfu (but you know, only when they deserve it, and do it nicely)

Congratz on the sobriety, don't even be reading this. Sometimes they speak truth, you must avoid those triggers.

I nominate nick, chipper, the sicko puppet, the nurse girl, the guy who's always high as shit on dilaudid, Z (whover there fuck he is), and AllNightLong

i dunno who the sicko puppet or the guy whos always high on diluadid are but i nominate or vote for nick/chipper/candy/dizzle for admins (unless nick/chipper/candy cant be voted for? it said nominate 2 admins, but isn't there currently 4 admins? or do u mean nominate dizzle + someone else?)and Z + allnightlong for mods (i dunno who else the current mods are, other than talkingasshole)

my vote is for shit to basically stay the same. i havent personally had any issues with anyone here so im happy with shit stayin the same + allnightlong
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 19, 2016, 07:35:33 AM
nick, the primary founder, won't run as he controls the board from the highest level and wants to see others having a go.

the other founders, chipper and candy are permanent admins so don't need to be considered.

i want to stay close to the technical stuff, to Treasury BUT most of all, to get away from any moderating and audits.

anybody else, please state your interest within.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Wildcat on October 19, 2016, 08:47:20 AM
Dizzle= Admin
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on October 19, 2016, 01:41:26 PM
Dizzle= Admin

Yep. I vote dizzle as an admin too.
And I agree with tainted that I haven't had any problems whatsoever with any of the staff here. Keep Z as a mod (if he wants to stay on) and give allnightlong a go as well.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on October 19, 2016, 01:43:33 PM
Also isn't jega a mod too? If not, I nominate him.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Z on October 19, 2016, 08:10:07 PM
I appreciate the support guys, but I wasnt planning on nominating myself again.  I know that Im opinionated, and say things without totally thinking it through.  That attracted a lot of anger from some people.  I dont have the energy to deal with getting attacked every step of the way anymore.

Maybe my stepping down will be better for the forum.  Maybe some people will come around more.

Being a mod isnt easy.  Drug addicts can be emotional, and asking someone to check some behaviour or pointing out something that someone did wrong is going to make conflict no matter what.  I meant well, but I dont think that I have the temperament for it.

Good luck to the next crop. 

I would throw my support behind dizzle as well, but I know that he has had some frustrations of his own.  He is a straight up and honest guy who does what he says and means the best for this place.

An election now seems like a mistake honestly.  Well we will see what happens.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 19, 2016, 08:28:38 PM
it's not a mistake, it just gives give new people a go if that's what they want.

Z, I also urge you to put yourself forward again as you did a great job and most importantly, you care.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on October 19, 2016, 11:02:31 PM
I totally get what you're saying Z, I had a feeling you might not want to stay on as a mod. For what it's worth, I think you did a lovely job.  :)
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 19, 2016, 11:24:30 PM
I have always thought that moderating is about making tough decisions that usually makes you unpopular.

we rely on admins and mods to support the site's rules and policies whilst deciding what is and isn't acceptable conversation.

moderating the discussion often gets personal and that's the big problem.

I made it worse by trying to do too much and making too many changes without consulting the staff and it didn't go down well ... but I have learnt from that.

I'd like to see all current admins and mods to nominate themselves but I can't force anybody to do anything.

the site has been quiet lately so it's not going to use up too much of your free time but we want people who have the time to drop in often.

now that the site has matured, expect more harmony.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Tainted on October 20, 2016, 01:19:26 AM
I totally get what you're saying Z, I had a feeling you might not want to stay on as a mod. For what it's worth, I think you did a lovely job.  :)

i didnt have any problem with you Z, which is why i also nominated you.

i thought about tryin to nominate myself for mod but i dont think that i read enough sub-forums to do that properly.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: dizzle on October 20, 2016, 01:52:06 AM
I wasn't gonna do this again but after giving it some thought and seeing the posts here I'll stand again for admin.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Z on October 20, 2016, 06:55:29 PM
I gave it a bit more thought too.  If there are unfilled spaces then Ill offer to chipper that he can put my name where he thinks its appropriate.  If other people want to give it a shot, then I will happily stand aside for them.


Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Tainted on October 21, 2016, 09:45:09 AM
I gave it a bit more thought too.  If there are unfilled spaces then Ill offer to chipper that he can put my name where he thinks its appropriate.  If other people want to give it a shot, then I will happily stand aside for them.

If still, there are unfilled spaces, I'd like to nominate myself, but I don't want Z to step back. I only nominate myself if there are still unfilled spaces after Z. I'd vote for him before I'd vote for myself.
Dizzle man, this site needs you. You are easily one of the most respected people on this forum and were also on opiophile.


I'll give everyone my background. Been doing drugs since I was 13 (albeit just pot back then) got into other shit at 16. Been a daily opiate addict since I was 18 (10 years ago) I've had periods of being clean, taking suboxone or methadone. I've been off all opiates 3 times (when I first moved to Florida and had no connects or friends(within 1500 miles) and a strict dad whos couch I was sleeping on--was 19 at the time) the other two times, once i weaned off suboxone for a girlfriend. the third time was county jail for a few months.

I've been a member of Opiophile since 2008. I joined this forum after Opiophile's demise (had not heard of it until Opiophile vanished) and I regularly check the forum daily. As a regular member, I check only a couple sub-forums and don't respond all that often, my post count being I believe around 200. As a moderator, I would do what the job requires, and that means reading every sub-forum and every thread, regardless of any personal interest.

In real life, I'm a dead-head and I like to think I get along with just about everyone. There may be people on this forum who don't particularly like me, but if that's the case, it's not because I've started shit with them, they must not like who i am, which is fair enough, not everyone likes everyone. I'm not sure if  this quality will help me as a moderator or make it harder for me to moderate.

However, I do consider this tight-nit community very very important to me. I would do my best to serve this forum as moderator and would be open to all criticism.

I'll be moving to another state in less than 3 weeks, but I'll be packing my computer in my suitcase (I'm not bringing all my belongings, just some clothes and my computer, few months later I'll fly back down, and either load a car or a u-haul and drive it all back up) BUT with that said, I have a smartphone, there are local libraries, but most importantly, I'm bringing my PC and monitor. There was a time period that I wasn't very active on this forum and on opiophile. The reason being my PC fried and I was either using a 14 year old laptop (which wouldn't even run windows, too slow, had to run Linux which barely worked) or I just flat out had no computer. But I have a PC now, which I take GREAT care of as it was close to $1k. And if elected moderator, if I lost my PC, I'd be sure to use my smartphone and local libraries to access the forum, as I'd have an obligation to the members here and to the site owners/founders.


Last comment (which I mentioned in the beginning)- I do not wish my nomination to come before Z. Z has been a good mod, I think, and I do not wish for him to decide to step back, because I'm stepping up.
also, again DIZZLE. you've been a great admin, your well respected, now is not the time to step down.

Also, in a case like Z, perhaps if he doesn't really want to mod, but will if nobody is going to step up, maybe we can start setting up sub-forum specific mods? Like, on opiophile, Candy was the moderator for all the health related forums. What I'm suggesting is maybe having global moderators we vote for, but maybe global moderators can be given the choice to semi-retire into a sub-forum specific moderator position?
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Fat Pie on October 21, 2016, 02:44:26 PM
Hi guys. I haven't been around nearly enough for this place, and while I'd love another chance to actually contribute to the forum now that my life has slowly started turning back from the brink and things are beginning to come together, I can totally get behind giving someone else a chance to do the job justice if that is what folks would prefer. I certainly feel very inferior compared to Diz, who's been an excellent admin, and despite several issues which have popped up here over the past year has always maintained his integrity and professionalism. This board certainly owes him a debt of gratitude.

I've mentioned that I've been swamped with study and work numerous times (I've just earned my BA, I'm studying a full-time MA, and I have two part-time jobs, one of which is doing admin for a cycle training organisation which services schools and teaches kids how to ride both off and on-road, the other of which is working for the university helping to host events, like open days, careers fairs etc), but that seems like a hollow excuse when I think about it. I have no idea why D&U hasn't occupied my mind in the same way that Opiophile did. I guess in many ways I'm still getting over what an awful mess that whole thing was. I'm getting better at juggling responsibilities in general, but I just haven't been giving D&U the respect it deserves.

It doesn't help that I'm surrounded by the remains of what I managed to salvage from the place, including every image and every avatar that was ever posted to the board (those of departed members who are no longer with us hit home especially hard, given that these may be some of the last photos of them alive). I'm happy to share the whole archive with everyone, though I imagine most people want nothing to do with the old site.

I'm happy to have another go at the job if there are no other takers, but if you want to find someone new, I don't blame you.

I also wanna give a big thanks to Nick, Chipper and Candy. Without you guys the fallout from our mess would've been much worse, since everyone would've had no obvious place to retreat to. You stepped in when people needed it most, and provided a space which has been vital for all those who use it, all without once seeking any profit or advantage. You should be very proud of what you've achieved, and I for one will always be grateful for D&U's existence.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Z on October 21, 2016, 09:35:30 PM
I gave it a bit more thought too.  If there are unfilled spaces then Ill offer to chipper that he can put my name where he thinks its appropriate.  If other people want to give it a shot, then I will happily stand aside for them.

If still, there are unfilled spaces, I'd like to nominate myself, but I don't want Z to step back. I only nominate myself if there are still unfilled spaces after Z. I'd vote for him before I'd vote for myself.
Dizzle man, this site needs you. You are easily one of the most respected people on this forum and were also on opiophile.


Also, in a case like Z, perhaps if he doesn't really want to mod, but will if nobody is going to step up, maybe we can start setting up sub-forum specific mods? Like, on opiophile, Candy was the moderator for all the health related forums. What I'm suggesting is maybe having global moderators we vote for, but maybe global moderators can be given the choice to semi-retire into a sub-forum specific moderator position?

Thanks man.  That's so much nice stuff to say, and you're actually making me blush like a little schoolg while reading it.  I don't want you to think about it as taking my place or anything like that.  I'm only offering because I don't want to see any unfilled places.  It's a lot of work, and people need to be available.  Having less people to start with is an unnecessary handicap.

Step up and take your place.  There is no need for anything to be conditional on my account.  I think that you would do a great job, and for what it's worth I would vote for you!  I would love to see you be able to help shape the forum a bit more and add some of your opinions to this place.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: AllNightLong on October 22, 2016, 12:32:08 AM
So is there going to be an election like last time or what is the procedure for deciding the mods and admins?
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 22, 2016, 03:56:25 AM
Once all the nominations are in, Nick will create a poll that will remain open for a set period.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 22, 2016, 05:28:49 AM
Any more nominations for moderators ?

We will keep this open for a few more days.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: candy on October 22, 2016, 05:39:34 AM
@dizzle, you have done a great job this past year and I want to thank you for nominating yourself again.

@Tainted, I would suggest you nominate yourself. I don't think Z would mind and it's nice to see good members stepping up and wanting to help.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Wildcat on October 22, 2016, 07:02:55 PM
Z for MOD- He does a good job too.  ; )
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Anti-hero on October 22, 2016, 07:49:22 PM
I personally think that if you held the position last year you shouldn't be run again.
and I think it looks bad that you might be able to control the election results.
I'm not saying anyone did a bad job.
I just think that would for the people that left.
I nominate. Narkoitkon.
illafelph for mod and poppycop for admin. Also Sand in Water because she stepped down for what I feel were ligit reasons
I will email him and he van chime.
I know I had my but but he did a good job
its just to change things.
if we have to leave Z he did more than a bang and he can train the mods
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Griffin on October 22, 2016, 11:43:56 PM
I will nominate myself for a moderator position, I am on here everyday anyway. I think everyone did a great job this past year, I hope you decide to run either way Z. I'm glad that dizzle is running for admin again too, you guys are awesome, definitely one of the reasons I like this place so much you both always have good posts and don't let you status affect your contributions.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: jonnyr3b on October 23, 2016, 12:18:35 AM
I'll take a shot at being a mod.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Tainted on October 23, 2016, 02:47:25 AM
@dizzle, you have done a great job this past year and I want to thank you for nominating yourself again.

@Tainted, I would suggest you nominate yourself. I don't think Z would mind and it's nice to see good members stepping up and wanting to help.

Z sent me a message encouraging me not to hold back on his account, so yeah, I'd like to run as well.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: nick on October 23, 2016, 02:49:59 AM
So is there going to be an election like last time or what is the procedure for deciding the mods and admins?

That kinda depends on how many nominations we get.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: dizzle on October 23, 2016, 07:28:44 AM
Hero the majority of the ppl you nominated are no longer active here. Why the fuck would you do that? Then also in the same breath as saying ppl shouldn't be able to run consecutively you nominated sand and water, who, didn't "step down for legit reasons" she just fuckkng disappeared after causing a shitshow behind the scenes if ANY ONE shouldn't be able to run it would be someone that walked out on her post without explaining or even answering any messages/emails.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 23, 2016, 08:02:48 AM
Z, Tainted, and of course Fat Pie would be good choices
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Anti-hero on October 23, 2016, 10:31:14 AM
Well Dizzle I talk to sand and water off site and all I got was her story witch is time stamped
The other people I elected I also talk to off site
They would be more than happy to come back
I honestly don't think she would come back.

What happened to Nark was not fair on the last election.

I am on the email thread and slot of people want to come back should management change

I was Xanax out last night and mentioned to say you were the only one I trusted communing back.

I was told to be left alone and you can look at time stamps and kept getting fuckrd with because I have helped members pay rent,  pay off bad checks, pay fines. Give money to rat but only if they buy drugs with half the money and straight out got called a sucker because I do my best to reduce harm. So fuck me raw.

As for FatPie really hasnt been around till the elections.
Sounds like some George Bush vs John McCain shit.like he is appointed to that spot. Or just coronated into it. No work but gets the job.

No I didn't screen shot the program that was from D and U of what was trying to be down loaded on my phone. I didn't think I had to. I wasn't doing nothing but earning the site.

I am not the only one who got hacked from the site 4 others who had there doctors called, credit cards being used at the same store in India, had family members contacted, and found viruses on there phones.

 I will not be a member of a site where a mod or admin brags about working for anon.  One more quinky dink.. all if the 4 had problems with that staff member.
So call me paranoid. But 5 of the same thing happened to all 4 people. Who are so scared they won't day anything because of the damage that happened to them.

 I don't care about credit scores.
I was invested in AOL b when people thought that was the internet. I got a ass load of options to. Made a shit load of money off of the time Warner buy and tonight well you read about it in the paper. Plus I got plenty of life insurance money that was left to me. So call my doctor he gets paid way to much to believe in a troll.

@dizzle you know im not talking about you. I have been with this group for Ten years and because of my money situation I don't make friends easy. I have name more real people in the two site then I have made in real life .

 I just got left 1980000 dollars. Know what I'm going to do up the reward on Citrus and Paid and Than.

So let the site be destroyed I made sure I can get in touch with the people I care about.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS NO ONE TRUST THE CURRENT STAFF AT LEAST NOT THE IKD SCHOOL.
BUT I STAND BY IT YOU HAD A YEAR THE WHOLE VIBE CHANGED. GIVE OTHERS A CHANCE. I DONT LIKE THE FACT THAT MY OLD zP.Ms were being read. I don't sell drugs. I buy them. And it was just to see who was for who.

Sand and waters father died she left post that said that she did not disappear. My uncle died and I was on a plane before HeAd knew I left the state. So why don't you let her speak her piece.

I will get all the UN active members to come and state why they don't post anymore.

I have a feeling after the elections I'm not gonna be around much either. It's the only reason I stated to add content again.

Peace.
The mother fuckin bastard
Anti Hero

Everyone needs to burn a joint and chill
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Z on October 23, 2016, 05:34:54 PM
Let's be respectful of the people who started this site, and not turn this into a thread full of arguments.  I'm glad there are enough people offering to be moderators that I don't feel like I need to offer myself up again.  Good luck to all of you.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: AllNightLong on October 23, 2016, 08:08:29 PM
I guess you can take this as a campaign comerical of sorts but I wanted to state why I want to be a mod here.

I am the type of member that reads more than posts, which I find to be important from a moderator. I hold back from saying things just to say them because the majority of the time if you wait a little bit you will not post something that would be mean or hurt someone's feelings.

I have been in the opiate world for far longer than I care to but its a choice I made long ago and still deal with. With that comes a ton of experience both in the streets and even on the net.

Another thing is I actually care about people and what's right. I hate seeing people get the short end of the stick and being treated unfairly.

Lastly, I am definitely around and read the forum from what I think is more than enough to be an efdective mod. So when you guys vote please don't just look at my modest post count or rep or even my join date. Know that I care about this place and would like to give back the way it has for me.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Anti-hero on October 23, 2016, 11:07:37 PM
I'll vote for anyone who has not been a mod except for dead cat chops or EA that name is just to long
I talked to Nark and he said as long as he didn't have to deal with the gay bashing he got and let's face it he was treated different because he's gay.
 Well treat me different because even though I've been with the same girl for 15 years I identify as Bi
So there is that

So all night long you got my vote I just hope no Al Gore shit happens and it comes down to hanging Chad's
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 24, 2016, 03:16:34 PM
this thread will close by Oct 27 and a poll will then be created for voting.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: dizzle on October 24, 2016, 06:56:09 PM
I'm sorry that you don't like the fact that YOUR pms had been read, but at the same time you mentioned people should all be treated the same, staff included, you say you should be exempt from shit. Sorry bro you can't have it both ways. Either theirs favoritism or there's not. And currently there is not.

I'm not trying to get into it with you. I've always made my decisions and acted by doing what is best for this place. Period. Not what does dizzle want, or who doesn't dizzle like, but what is best for this place. That, for me, is the only driving factor.

Also I am glad u feel people shouldn't be reelected but in the same breath you said sand and water should be. Someone that quite literally abandoned her post without so much as a pm to anyone On the staff
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 25, 2016, 04:05:17 AM
FYI, ex-staff members will be given additional trusted privileges after their tenure and will be added to the membergroup SA_Chat+ ... such as being able to edit any time, use immediate chat and a few other things.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Tainted on October 25, 2016, 04:09:57 AM
FYI, ex-staff members will be given additional trusted privileges after their tenure and will be added to the membergroup SA_Chat+ ... such as being able to edit any time, use immediate chat and a few other things.

I had an idea. How about after the mods year, they're allowed to choose a single sub forum to permanent moderate? Assuming administration deemed the mod to be good(no vote but admins can decide if they're worthy of it)

They could run again to be a global mod, gaining another sub forum to be mod of. You could set some sort of criteria they have to meet to become permanent mod
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 25, 2016, 04:16:46 AM
I don't think that they'd want to, though.

After a year of it, they're probably over it but if they want to then I'll discuss with nick, candy, dizzle etc.

Thanks.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Jega on October 25, 2016, 05:24:04 AM
Has the list been settled on?
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 25, 2016, 05:34:16 AM
No but we close on the 27th. Please put yourself forward.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Jega on October 25, 2016, 07:12:55 AM
Yes I put myself forward. I do come around a lot even if I am not posting all the time.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: candy on October 25, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
Thank you FP. That means a lot. Nice to see you post!

I also wanna give a big thanks to Nick, Chipper and Candy. Without you guys the fallout from our mess would've been much worse, since everyone would've had no obvious place to retreat to. You stepped in when people needed it most, and provided a space which has been vital for all those who use it, all without once seeking any profit or advantage. You should be very proud of what you've achieved, and I for one will always be grateful for D&U's existence.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Anti-hero on October 25, 2016, 06:30:20 PM
re: nominations (self or otherwise) -- this thread will close by Oct 27 and a poll will then be created for voting.

Well I don't want to fight either. Yet Fat Pie is a nom
He also disappeared.
The non actives are willing to come back
I been contacted by all of the people I put up
None want to be a mod or admin so I spoke out of turn
No I have no problem with people reading my p.ms
If you think I'm soliciting.
But them being read ones that go back before people
Were elected yrs I have a problem with that.
I wouldn't be stupid enough to put anything about my life
That would put me in danger.
This site is watched any one who thinks it not
Just remember pokergooch who was essential
In taking down silk road.
 This will be the last thing about the election that I post
I will cast my vote and try my best to just keep
What seemed to be unchecked power in check.
I don't know if you missed the part where I said youare probably the only one I would reelect.
Well chops for security. And Jega but he disappears now and then too.
I know the fact that you don't like sand and water and she didn't like you.
But you can't pick and choose
You and Z are the only two who didn't disappeare
Well there are others mods or whatever like dead cat chops but they are not as vocal.
I will just see how it goes and if I don't like it I can move on. It's chippers site and his show.
I'm just a act in this palooza.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Anti-hero on October 25, 2016, 06:34:25 PM
I'm sorry that you don't like the fact that YOUR pms had been read, but at the same time you mentioned people should all be treated the same, staff included, you say you should be exempt from shit. Sorry bro you can't have it both ways. Either theirs favoritism or there's not. And currently there is not.

I'm not trying to get into it with you. I've always made my decisions and acted by doing what is best for this place. Period. Not what does dizzle want, or who doesn't dizzle like, but what is best for this place. That, for me, is the only driving factovr.


Ment to quote this.
I know you have been fair
Please don't take this as a personal attack on anyone
I just want what's best for the site
I don't think unless you think I'm trying to sell drugs
No one's PM's should be read.

I've reported anyone who has asked me for drugs
Like I would do that noobs eh
Also I am glad u feel people shouldn't be reelected but in the same breath you said sand and water should be. Someone that quite literally abandoned her post without so much as a pm to anyone On the staff
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Z on October 25, 2016, 07:29:20 PM
I don't want to fight man.  Please don't get aggressive with this, but I feel like I need to try to explain it.


I just have to say that the only way to really tell if someone is soliciting is to monitor it.  The decision to monitor messages also came right from the top.  Getting mad at Dizzle for reading your messages is like getting mad at airport security for screening your baggage.  It sucks for you, absolutely.  He didn't just decide to do it.  Getting mad at him for doing it won't change anything.  There was a directive to 'not forget to check the vm's guys' that was given to the admins a few times that I saw personally.  Dizzle was alone in the admin job 99% of the time.  I think he did a pretty good job considering the workload.  I know that he's a busy guy who works full time, has busy hobbies, and an active life outside of that.  It was extremely nice of him to sacrifice his free time to try to make an effort for this place.  He didn't sit there reading everyone's messages for fun, or to see what they had to say about what.


You joined opio, and they read VMs.  I don't see the issue with a spiritual successor doing the same.  Well, I understand how it could be frustrating thinking it was private when it wasn't.  It's just how many drug forums are run.  It won't change by voting for a different person, so I don't see the issue for this thread.  The founders let us have private messages, but they are monitored so that Chipper doesn't have legal trouble.  You talked about poker gooch.  Remember that the mods from Silk Road are in jail right now too.  Different situation, but still there is an amount of risk and liability involved here nonetheless.


On top of it all we have tried to be very transparent about what is and isn't checked, and how to go about doing whatever the hell you want without any of us knowing or caring.  I'm willing to bet that Dizzle would rather not sit there in his free time and skim through people's messages, but that is what electing an admin is.  Choosing who you trust and think will do a good job. 


Chops was not a mod.  Dead cat did disappear, but it's a pretty normal thing.  I took a break for almost a month at one point too.  I'm fairly sure Dizzle took a break as well, but you can't always tell with the stuff he does here.  That's life man.  We're drug addicts.  Life is hard as fuck sometimes.  The desire to give something a shot, and having tried and fucked up a little are two different things.  I know that Jega had health problems, but you can't hold that against him.  That's just life.


Over the last year there has been a lot of blame thrown around.  Often it went into places it didn't deserve to go.  If we all sat down and tried to give each other the benefit of the doubt that good things were intended, then it might be for the best.  The constant criticism and pursuing a vendetta is a big turn off for some people too.  This whole place became this political vipers nest of walking on eggshells at a certain point.  For everyone.  Lets all just get over it, and go back to having fun here.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Guts on October 25, 2016, 09:35:05 PM
I nominate @makadone7dayz3 for mod! We need a strong leader to whip you boys into shape!
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Tainted on October 25, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
Opiophile didn't even have PM, it was all public. I would much rather have messages that only the admins/mods can read then have messages literally anyone including law enforcement can read. You just said that this site is watched, but what you're complaining about won't result in totally private messages, they'll just say fuck it and make all messages public like opiophile
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Jega on October 26, 2016, 04:53:53 AM
For what its worth everyone, this place really doesn't need much daily moderation. There can be an occasional new person who posts something that might be considered soliciting or some other random post that occurs every weekly to bi-weekly, but everyone usually is very well behaved when speaking to the rules of the site. I don't know which one of us flags the most posts, nor would I be surprised to find out that it's me, but not a lot of posts are out of bounds so to speak. That's just the simple truth. When I talk to chipper it's usually about stuff not related to the site or nuts and bolts of how this place runs, improvements he's considering, mods to the code. It's almost never about some post not being right or something that needs "mod work". 

The reason we have so many mods is because yes I had health issues over the past year that I made a lengthy post about and put out there, and other people have things that happen in their life. It is impractical to assume all of our mods are around all of the time. With the amount we have we always have someone around.

Now when the daily traffic increases and the statistics generally increase my previous statement may need revisiting but if we go off of the 2015-2016 numbers we're at a good point and we can always add additional mods if it's necessary or delegate powers. We can look at what is required at the time if the situation changes, but for right now we're at a good balance.

I think people have this idea that mods are more powerful then they actually are. Really. I can't kick you off the site or anything. In the whole year or how long it's been I've never personally read a single persons PM's other then my own. The real extent to my power I suppose is editing posts but that can be absolutely necessary. When someone says buy drugs at such and such url I need to be able to take that out even before the post is flagged. And yes that's happened and yes I've had to do that. But get real; I can't kick you off the site, I can't mess with your account. We just make sure everyone is abiding by the rules. That's really all. And If you read the rules we're pretty easy going. I just do it because I like to help and I genuinely feel I can help.

I'll close in saying I think the idea of entirely turning over the staff is insane. If someone has a legitimate grievance then please air it, I won't shut anyone down for doing that, but in my opinion we have a good group right now. There is a learning curve that comes to being a mod, all the in's and out's of how to be a good mod. What to do and more important what not to do. If someone what's to add a mod or two to the group that's fine. I have no problems with that. But a total turnover would be a real massive headache on the founders. Really.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: 6-mam on October 26, 2016, 06:48:05 AM
fuck it, ill throw my name in the mod nomination, for shits and giggles. People will be like, who the fuck is 6-mam and why is he nominated.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Jega on October 26, 2016, 06:59:35 AM
fuck it, ill throw my name in the mod nomination, for shits and giggles. People will be like, who the fuck is 6-mam and why is he nominated.
Because the tea was AMAZING!
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: 6-mam on October 26, 2016, 09:07:04 AM
fuck it, ill throw my name in the mod nomination, for shits and giggles. People will be like, who the fuck is 6-mam and why is he nominated.
Because the tea was AMAZING!

Yes sir, it was/is pretty amazing. If were talkin bout the same thing. I'm not sure if we are haha.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Guts on October 26, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
I vote for 6 mam!
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 26, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
Guts, save that thought for the poll.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 26, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
Please consider that the next term for staff is now 6 months.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: theSWPK on October 27, 2016, 09:24:13 PM
fuck it, ill throw my name in the mod nomination, for shits and giggles. People will be like, who the fuck is 6-mam and why is he nominated.
Because the tea was AMAZING!

Yes sir, it was/is pretty amazing. If were talkin bout the same thing. I'm not sure if we are haha.

I nominate 6-mam
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Z on October 27, 2016, 10:16:51 PM
I wasnt going to do this again, but the board deserves to have two active admins.  Dizzle had a large workload for the last year, and I dont want to see that happen again this year.  Admins dont have a lot of power, but there is agreat deal of responsibility in the form of manual checking that just takes time and commitment.

With that in mind, Ill put my name in as an admin.  I apologize for the back and forth on it all.

Good luck to everyone.  All of the candidates seem to be good people, and I think that all of you would make a great giant super moderator team. 
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Fat Pie on October 28, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
I apolgise for the diatribe, but I felt it needed saying. I don't mind being criticised, that's fair game and I acknowledge my own shortcomings, but it is another thing entirely to cast false aspersions on people's actions or motives with no proof whatsoever just because you disagree with them over something. I've seen this tactic before, and frankly, I'm sick of it. Insult me all you want, but the sweeping generalisations and conspiracy theories need to stop.

Well I don't want to fight either. Yet Fat Pie is a nom
He also disappeared.

I'm right here Hero. Sorry, but like everyone here, I do have a life outside of this, and sometimes that gets in the way of things, you know?

I personally think that if you held the position last year you shouldn't be run again.

I will say that I do think fresh blood is pretty much always a good thing for positions like this. Everyone should get a shot, and everyone does. I can't think of a fairer way to appoint people, and this is miles ahead of any decisions that Jonny ever made.

and I think it looks bad that you might be able to control the election results.

Wait, what? I don't think that's doable, and even if it were, who the hell would stoop that low? Plus, any manipulation of a public poll would be obvious. People would leave in droves.

Do you really think that little of people? Do you think there anyone here who has any interest in being part of some rigged staffing system? After all the shit we went through with Jonny, who didn't just rig things, but outright exploited people?

If folks didn't acquiesce to his crap, why on Earth would they do so for anyone else?

I wish you wouldn't just throw out these wild theories and accusations without thinking about what you're doing.

I'm not saying anyone did a bad job.

OK, fair enough...

As for FatPie really hasnt been around till the elections.
Sounds like some George Bush vs John McCain shit.like he is appointed to that spot. Or just coronated into it. No work but gets the job.

Woah man, what happened to "I'm not saying anyone did a bad job."? And all this crap about George Bush, John McCain, appointed, coronated, no work? What have I done to deserve that from you?

I know we've not always been best buds, but c'mon. I've defended you in the past over stuff like this, but there's absolutely no need to turn the vitriol on me.

And what in the hell are you even talking about? These are nominations, not appointments. The entire reason this thread exists is because the positions here are elected!

You don't honestly think I'm going to get voted in again, do you? I had my shot, and according to your judgement (and mine, I might add, which you'd know if you read my post), I blew it. So what's the problem? Has anyone mentioned a word about circumventing the votes of the membership, much less just to cater to my silly ass? Do you really always have to think the worst of people, especially when they've given you no cause to do so?

At this point, I don't care about what position I hold. I want the self-esteem to be able to chat casually on the boards again, but it's difficult for me, and you'd know that if you bothered to read what I've been saying. I want the job to go to the best person, and I'm not convinced that's me (I've never been convinced of it, to be honest; I don't think Jonny picked me for my amazing skills, he just saw someone he could exploit). Do I need to repeat myself? Did you even read my last post? Was I not clear enough?:

"I haven't been around nearly enough for this place, and while I'd love another chance to actually contribute to the forum now that my life has slowly started turning back from the brink and things are beginning to come together, I can totally get behind giving someone else a chance to do the job justice if that is what folks would prefer."

"I just haven't been giving D&U the respect it deserves."

"I'm happy to have another go at the job if there are no other takers, but if you want to find someone new, I don't blame you."

The reason I posted here wasn't to be some johnny-come-lately and swagger my way back into a position to which I am neither entitled nor appointed (regardless of your opinion to the contrary), but rather to avoid just abandoning this place (and especially an event this significant) without at least explaining to people what's been going on with me. I always hated the way that Brony just up and disappeared from Opiophile one day, but I'm sure he had his reasons, and as I've found out for myself, the longer you stay away, the harder it is to come back. And while I knew how this might look to some people, I thought it better than just acting like this place doesn't exist. I half thought it was a mistake to even show my face here again; I was expecting something like this. But my pride comes second to the board. I owed an explanation, and that's what I've given.

What you may not realise is that being here at all is difficult for me. I still dwell on how I failed this community, and guess what? It doesn't make for great motivation. So why be here at all then? Because I felt I owed it to all of you, and I still feel that way even now. I never wanted to burden this place with the 'woe is me' crap.

It's absolutely true that I haven't been here nearly as much as I should've been, but as I explained in the first post I've made here for a long time, I've been trying to deal with my life first and foremost. That's not an excuse, I'm just explaining that what happened at Opiophile left me in a very dark place. Every time I come here reminds me of it, and I've had to work very hard to prevent things getting even worse in my personal life. In fact, I'm amazed things are positive at all right now.

And even though I've been away, it's not true that I've done 'no work'. It's absolutely true that I haven't contributed nearly enough, but there are more than a few Helpdesk topics with my contributions on them concerning the numerous issues which have arisen and been dealt with over the past year (not that you'd know any of that). This might not count for you or others as 'work', but it was the best I was able to do, and I'm sorry if that wasn't good enough. Unlike Opiophile, I never got comfortable with the technical aspects of maintaining this forum, and again, that's on me; in fact, my experience seems to be the only thing I've been able to offer to this place, and that being as the admin of a site which will forever go down in history as an infamous calamity. That is my legacy, and unlike Jonny, I feel guilt about it every day.

Do you wonder why folks like Fear stopped coming here after that mess? I do, because I've had those same feelings of shame and guilt (though thankfully I was spared the odious rumours for the most part, something which also greatly contributed to the absence of one of the most loyal friends I've ever had on a forum; I have yet to see retractions of those claims, which were never substantiated). But that's my problem, not yours, and it shouldn't have any bearing on the dedication I have to this place. But despite my best efforts, and the wonderful support from many of you here, those thoughts have often got the better of me.

I can't boast of doing as much as my fellow admins, or all the other mods who've worked tirelessly and sometimes thanklessly to try and please everyone, regardless of personal issues, popularity or any other selfish concerns. At times I have felt like a fifth wheel, and it's my fault that I didn't flag that up sooner. I thought I made it clear enough in my original post here that I think the position could go to someone far more dedicated and better placed to serve this board. My only claim is that of being willing to step in if no one else is able, and this time to actually do something worth a damn. I have to give major props to Chipper, Dizzle and the others, who all worked excellently according to what I saw. Was there always complete agreement? No. That's inevitable when it comes to managing a forum. But even when there were issues or conflicts, there was never anything less than absolute professionalism and dedication from the whole staff. And unlike you, not once was I denigrated or shamed based on my attendance (or lack thereof). When I could contribute, I did, all the while making effusive apologies for my absences. To his credit, Chip was always supportive, and I will always be grateful for that.

I'm disappointed Hero. I really thought you were past this kind of thing. You say quite rightly that "Everyone needs to burn a joint and chill". That should include you.

Anyway, I'm sure this storm in a teacup won't matter a damn by next week. I'm sorry for going on and on, I really shouldn't even bother responding, but I can't change my nature.

To whoever the elected team of staff are, I wish you the best of luck, and I'm sure you'll do a fantastic job. This place has lasted for over a year, and it deserves many more anniversaries to come. With those who are elected helming the forum, I have no doubt it will succeed.

I wasnt going to do this again, but the board deserves to have two active admins.  Dizzle had a large workload for the last year, and I dont want to see that happen again this year.  Admins dont have a lot of power, but there is agreat deal of responsibility in the form of manual checking that just takes time and commitment.

With that in mind, Ill put my name in as an admin.  I apologize for the back and forth on it all.

Good luck to everyone.  All of the candidates seem to be good people, and I think that all of you would make a great giant super moderator team.

Amen to that. I think you'd make a great admin.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 28, 2016, 12:08:47 PM
Less than an hour to go so I'm closing  this now.
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: dizzle on October 28, 2016, 05:01:01 PM
Z u would make a great admin and have my vote
Title: Re: D&U election 2016.
Post by: Chip on October 31, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
i will NOT be including people that haven't nominated themselves !
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