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Title: U-47700
Post by: Tainted on October 29, 2016, 12:24:27 AM
Has anyone heard of this compound? U-47700 is supposedly some research chemical that is 8x more potent than morphine. That doesn't really make it sound like anything special, but my local news just ran a story on how it's causing people in central florida to get psychosis. I tried researching it quickly last night, found a lot of people on the internet talking about it/trying it, with absolutely no mention of psychosis. Is this just fearmongering on the part of the news?

http://www.wesh.com/article/synthetic-drug-new-to-florida-has-high-potential-for-abuse/7483399
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: adamn1t on October 29, 2016, 01:26:28 AM
Fearmongering ...........On the news..................no way cant be true  ::)


On a serious note, while i havent heard of any psychosis, i have heard this stuff is caustic as fuck. To the point of burning peoples nasal cavity away, and leaving people with nasty abscesses/infections with a missed shot. Heard one person describe krokadill type infections. So careful. 
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on October 29, 2016, 02:08:18 AM
curious as to why all these reports of tissue damage - if I wasn't feeling so lazy, I'd look up the pka, but I'm way too lazy..

There could be a few ways to mitigate damage from this stuff. Gotta know the mechanism first tho..
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Chip on October 29, 2016, 05:15:29 AM
There are some posts already on this drug including the severe and persistent effects from one guy that took 500 grams of this and suffered from copious and varied symptoms. Do a search if you are interested.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: wanderingmind on November 01, 2016, 12:04:42 AM
Am I reading this correctly in assuming this substance is now schedule 1?

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2016/fr0907.htm
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Tainted on November 01, 2016, 03:10:47 AM
Am I reading this correctly in assuming this substance is now schedule 1?

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2016/fr0907.htm

I didn't click the link as I'm not on my PC at the moment, but I heard that the DEA filled a request in January of this year 2016CE seeking Schedule 1 status for the substance, but I have not heard whether or not it was approved.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: wanderingmind on November 01, 2016, 05:17:45 AM
Am I reading this correctly in assuming this substance is now schedule 1?

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2016/fr0907.htm

I didn't click the link as I'm not on my PC at the moment, but I heard that the DEA filled a request in January of this year 2016CE seeking Schedule 1 status for the substance, but I have not heard whether or not it was approved.

"SUMMARY: The Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration is issuing this notice of intent to temporarily schedule the synthetic opioid, 3,4-dichloro-N-[2-(dimethylamino)cyclohexyl]-N-methylbenzamide (also known as U-47700), into schedule I pursuant to the temporary scheduling provisions of the Controlled Substances Act. This action is based on a finding by the Administrator that the placement of this synthetic opioid into schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety. Any final order will impose the administrative, civil, and criminal sanctions and regulatory controls applicable to schedule I controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act on the manufacture, distribution, possession, importation, exportation, research, and conduct of, instructional activities of this synthetic opioid.

DATES: September 7, 2016."

What made me look up the legality was a story I had read where someone had some shipped to their work.  Somehow the employer opened the package and contacted the police.  The poster of the story said that they had ordered the substance "after the ban."

If it is illegal, it is odd how I haven't yet found a website stating clearly, U-47700 is illegal as of X-X-2016.  Though, I have to admit I haven't looked very hard.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: adamn1t on November 01, 2016, 06:52:02 AM
From what i heard the notice of intent doesnt make it  officially sch 1. Its just a notice that they intend to make it that way. Also the earliest they could have done it was last week i think, but last i heard they havent yet. Unless it flew by me. Definitely coming though.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: wanderingmind on November 01, 2016, 07:03:56 AM
Maybe the story I read about the guy getting caught with the package lived in Ohio.  I know it is definitely scheduled there.

After looking more into it, I think you guys are right in that it has not been scheduled, yet.  Soon though.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Bodytec on November 01, 2016, 08:01:15 AM
This is a stupid post but:
 I wonder if it is actually similar to krokodil since I is a synthetic opioids and all. Why the hell would anyone take it if they knew all that(krokodil that is)?
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: wanderingmind on November 01, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
This is a stupid post but:
 I wonder if it is actually similar to krokodil since I is a synthetic opioids and all. Why the hell would anyone take it if they knew all that(krokodil that is)?

Totally different.

From my understanding, what causes Krokodil to be so devastating is one of the things they use to make street krokodil.  I think it is this type of eye drop.  It's the eye drops that cause the terrible side effects.  If you were to get pure desomorphine, which is what krokodil is, you would not have the skin issues associated with street-made krokodil.  In fact, in Switzerland, desomorphine is or was perscription one could obtain called Permonid.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Jega on November 01, 2016, 06:22:54 PM
Since this compound always had my interest I thought I would look into this a bit. Yes it is absolutely scheduled in Ohio. No it isn't scheduled nationally but yes it's coming.

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/cfr/1308/1308_11.htm

That's everything listed as C-1 and everything subject to emergency scheduling. A temporary listing isn't put into effect from only a Notice of intent but it usually follows one.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on December 26, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
This is a stupid post but:
 I wonder if it is actually similar to krokodil since I is a synthetic opioids and all. Why the hell would anyone take it if they knew all that(krokodil that is)?

Totally different.

From my understanding, what causes Krokodil to be so devastating is one of the things they use to make street krokodil.  I think it is this type of eye drop.  It's the eye drops that cause the terrible side effects.  If you were to get pure desomorphine, which is what krokodil is, you would not have the skin issues associated with street-made krokodil.  In fact, in Switzerland, desomorphine is or was perscription one could obtain called Permonid.

My guess is it's the apparent failure to clean up the rxn mix, probably full of phosphorous and by-products from using petrol as a solvent, horrible..

Notice how some users are fairly healthy, yet some others are very sick. It seems a tremendous amount comes down to the quality of a cook. Interesting, really, why some users are so sick and some users don't seem phased by it.. I doubt it's the eyedrops tho, those probably come out pretty clean from the bottle.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: dizzle on December 26, 2016, 09:35:47 PM
I seem to remember boro rambling on about that and he said it was both, the cook and some weird thing that they use to cut it, I forgot what the f it was tho. Now that I'm thinking about it why would the cook add the cut? If the cook is a user why would you bother? Idk, like everything with that guy grain of salt...
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Der Alte Krieger on December 27, 2016, 03:52:09 AM
This stuff is really deadly, I was talking to an old opiophile a while back on FB and she went to rehab to kick her DOC and got out, still pretty sick. Her last FB post was asking about this stuff and then she was dead, Its not anything to fuck with
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on December 28, 2016, 02:33:45 AM
This stuff is really deadly, I was talking to an old opiophile a while back on FB and she went to rehab to kick her DOC and got out, still pretty sick. Her last FB post was asking about this stuff and then she was dead, Its not anything to fuck with

Does anyone have confirmation that it was a u47 od? I've talked to AO a tiny bit, but don't really feel right asking him directly, I never knew either of them that well.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Specter on December 28, 2016, 10:23:21 AM
I messed around with the stuff a little bit months ago when I could get it shipped to my mailbox and it was cheap.  I never really thought it was that strong but I also never mainlined it.

It came on QUICK but it didn't last that long and tolerance seemed to build very fast.

The other issue which probably came into play here is how do you really know the dose you're getting?  I'm sure depending on the source it varied greatly in potently.
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Der Alte Krieger on December 29, 2016, 01:02:16 AM
I'm sure that's what she died from. I was talking to her on FB right up to the point she signed off for good.

 I know Eon and CZ were doing " fent analogues" in combination with good PST.

I can see that, I get really bored with PST and if something interesting was available to me I would be tempted.

I been doing a pound of seeds a day since August and know I got a hell of an oral morphine habit to deal with at some point, prolly have to get some Subs and taper off them before my GF finds out, the one day I missed half a day got me pretty ill.


EDIT: I don't know how I fucked up the reply, but to answer EA's question Yes, she posted query's on FB about it and asked me about it. I really only know her and talked to her a lot before she went to rehab. She was in rough mental shape and not totally withdrawn from opiates. I think that combined with low tolerance and high potency did this poor gal in. I'm really torn up for her family
Title: Re: U-47700
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on December 29, 2016, 10:31:51 AM
Damn, I didn't know that about CZ.

Fuck. Really pisses me off, cos ppl wouldn't be fucking with fent if they could just get what they, or at least most of us, want: good, cheap smack.

Look at what happened with the Spice analogs -- fuck you up way worse than weed.

Unfortunately, they won't ever learn. Not here..

No matter what ppl gonna get high tho, can't stop that..

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