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Core Topics => Drugs => Hallucinogens/Psychedelics => Topic started by: Tainted on May 12, 2016, 07:03:42 PM
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Thread title says it all. I've done it a few times over the years, but always in low doses. Recently, I went to Tipper & Friends Full Moon Gathering, came prepared with L and molly, but no weed. Couldn't find weed to save my life at that festival (it being in florida had something to do with it i think, up north the festie community is much more open and helpful) but I was able to find K multiple times.
now i got a buddy with a solid K connect, he can get large amounts of it whenever. It got me thinking, where does all the K come from? Like, I know some of it is being diverted from vets, but if your in the right scene, there really is a shit load of K out there, it can't all be coming from vets.
I've never heard of cartels like running K with their coke and heroin shipments. A buddy of mine told me that as far as he can tell, most of the chemicals needed to make K are not on the precursor watch lists and can be ordered from chemical companies (not to residential addresses obviously) So, is K something that is made by semi-skilled/skilled clandestine american chemists?
I realize that nobodys going to have a solid answer to this, but it's something I've been thinkin a bit about and want to get opinoins or info
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From what I've read special k is big in places like hong kong and taiwan, so mainland china would be my guess.
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I'd imagine the vast majority of ketamine is sourced from China,Mexico,India or your local vet's.
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yeah, my bet would be coming into the country via EMS in international mail shipments from China. Just like RCs come. But labelled as some other chemical, like acetaminophen, a cleaning agent or something else innocuous.
I was an actual licensed pharmacist for a few years 1997-2000. One time, before K was scheduled, I faked a telephone Rx from a vet's office, for an animal, to be used as a sedative for travel. Got a whole box of Ketalar (Parke-Davis) 100mg/ml 5ml vials X 10. Shit was off the chain. The box cost me about $200 and some change, but it was worth it. 5 grams of the best pharmaceutical K I've ever had. That shit would put you in a hole to beat all. 100mg was like enough to reach a surgical plane of anesthesia.
IV is the ONLY way to do ketamine. Fuck all that IM nonsense.
I wish I could get back into the profession.
Maybe someday...
I'd need to find somewhere where they'd let me do a 160 hour internship, working under the supervision of a licensed pharmacist, then convince the Board of Pharmacy that this convicted felon (prescription fraud) wouldn't pose a risk to the public's health and safety, then re-take the licensure examination.
Sure would be a nice pay raise from where I'm working now.
A man can dream can't he?
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I think that a lot of it was diverted from legitimate producers in India. They also have quite a few custom synth labs there just like in China, but they fly under the radar a bit better now.
Just a friendly reminder that regular ketamine abuse can lead to serious bladder problems including incontinence. Sometimes it is so bad that users have their bladders removed, and end IP with colostomy bags and catheters. If you take a lot of K and start to notice problems then you need to get into a doctor for it asap. It is so common that it is called ketamine bladder syndrome, and it is widely recognised.
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Lots coming from Mexico. Swim used to bring lots of it in to the states via water bottles
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I ALSO GOT MY K FROM TIPPER AND FRIENDS!
that was some amazing crystally goodness
from what i understand a lot of street K comes from labs in India/Pakistan
there is still a substantial amount that is diverted within the U.S. from legitimate sources
but I'm of the opinion that, like with all the good LSD and MDMA, it is controlled by "The Fam"
controlled as in who gets access to very large amounts
and hey @Tainted, fuck you buddy, were nice as shit down here in the FL scene
Wanee Music Park just tends to attract a lot of the worst of the scene
nothing, NOTHING beats Ketamine as best all around drug in my mind
finally had the pleasure to do some over the last few weeks
now that its gone(along with the 2-oxo-PCE), I am very sad
HERE KIKIKIKIKIKI, PSHPSHPSHPSHPSH, COME ON KITTY!
(me trying to coax ketamine into my existence)
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I ALSO GOT MY K FROM TIPPER AND FRIENDS!
that was some amazing crystally goodness
from what i understand a lot of street K comes from labs in India/Pakistan
there is still a substantial amount that is diverted within the U.S. from legitimate sources
but I'm of the opinion that, like with all the good LSD and MDMA, it is controlled by "The Fam"
controlled as in who gets access to very large amounts
and hey @Tainted, fuck you buddy, were nice as shit down here in the FL scene
Wanee Music Park just tends to attract a lot of the worst of the scene
nothing, NOTHING beats Ketamine as best all around drug in my mind
finally had the pleasure to do some over the last few weeks
now that its gone(along with the 2-oxo-PCE), I am very sad
HERE KIKIKIKIKIKI, PSHPSHPSHPSHPSH, COME ON KITTY!
(me trying to coax ketamine into my existence)
does the family really exist though? ive been real into the festival scene and the dead scene for the last 10 yrs and always hear people throwin that word around "yo this is family shit" but do they REALLY exist? i know back in the 60s-70s-80s they most certainly did, but still? ive also heard alot of myths about them, to get involved you gotta do a thumbprint of L, no federal agents ever inflitrated them, etc.
edit: i really wish i had more K as well. i got a friend out of state who said he'll mail me some whenever i want, and i do trust him, but cant bring myself to bother with that hassle. hes mailed me shit a few times in the past , always sent from an actual business, hidden real well, but its just too much of a hassle i think
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Thumbrint of L haha... sounds like a fun couple of days... or very very scary.
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does the family really exist though? ive been real into the festival scene and the dead scene for the last 10 yrs and always hear people throwin that word around "yo this is family shit" but do they REALLY exist? i know back in the 60s-70s-80s they most certainly did, but still? ive also heard alot of myths about them, to get involved you gotta do a thumbprint of L, no federal agents ever inflitrated them, etc.
edit: i really wish i had more K as well. i got a friend out of state who said he'll mail me some whenever i want, and i do trust him, but cant bring myself to bother with that hassle. hes mailed me shit a few times in the past , always sent from an actual business, hidden real well, but its just too much of a hassle i think
luckily my friend met someone last week at a show and got a solid connect
except like every damn wook in the state he is at OBJ this weekend
I think that the question "is the family REAL" can't be answered because there are most definitely A LOT of people who would consider themselves "fam"
fam seems to be thrown around a lot, and these people are most definitely not the people who claim to have been "thumb-printed" or puddled as iniation
those people definitely come from the 70s/80s/90s dead scene, and I have very little reason to doubt them on their claims
if someone is getting actual LSD, i genuinely believe, at least in the U.S., it comes from the people i just mentioned
there really is more than enough L for the demand, and one chemist or lab could EASILY supply the demand for north america
i hear talk that the real good, white-on-white, needlepoint LSD comes from canada, from the "GDF", but people like to talk
at this point, if someone i meet starts talking that family shit right away, thats a red flag
its almost like a secret society, that exists only when two people are talking about it, usually in reference to the quality of LSD, MDMA, or even K
like the pink coke my homie got last week which was allegedly from peru, i think that it is part of making the sale
"oh, you know about GDF? and you love the grateful dead? you must have legit shit"-me, at almost any rave or festival (usually while rolling)
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when living in london it seemed like k central.. easiest to find besides weed/white/molly. northern europe in general seems to make a lot of it or atleast have a lot of it going around.
when my girl a number of years back visited china she said they were passing around plates of what they called coke at all the clubs for free, but really it was k.
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I think that a lot of it was diverted from legitimate producers in India. They also have quite a few custom synth labs there just like in China, but they fly under the radar a bit better now.
Just a friendly reminder that regular ketamine abuse can lead to serious bladder problems including incontinence. Sometimes it is so bad that users have their bladders removed, and end IP with colostomy bags and catheters. If you take a lot of K and start to notice problems then you need to get into a doctor for it asap. It is so common that it is called ketamine bladder syndrome, and it is widely recognised.
yea after about 8 months of chronic use... like 1-2 g's a day minimum and regular MKAT use i started all the time getting the drunk needing to piss but couldn't, or it would be drippy drops like an old man sometimes dripping walking around... guess it was good timing i got out of london, berlin and amsterdam.
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Personally I think some K being sold may really just be one of the closely related legal R/C's.
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Here in Bulgaria you need just to know any Veterinar and here we go.But here coming methamphetamines and amphetamines with full power-it is unstopable :(
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Australian update:
Ketamine is scarce now in the club scene and GBL, BDO etc. are seldom abused in the same environment - people are smarter and better informed.
at least that's my perception and take on it but i don't go out much hardly at all - got too fat, old and lazy :-[
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Personally I think some K being sold may really just be one of the closely related legal R/C's.
thats DEF true. a lot of the K out there is RCs. and from what I've read K is one of the harder substances to test. I've never been sold fake K myself (that I'm aware of anyways, normally feels like k) but a friend of mine got sold some at a festival, he reagant tested it which came back positive for K, so he did it. guess it wasn't K cause he ended up in a hellish intense bad trip that wasn't remotely like K. no idea what it could be, cause MXE is the only thing I'm aware of being commonly sold as K. google said Tiletamine tests the same as K on mandellin reagant, but ive never even heard of it before.
i guess a lot of the K in my area comes from the triads in chinatown NYC (the large amounts anyways) which makes me wonder if it's K at all. I have like 4 diff types of reagant test kits and all say it's K so who knows. i might send some in to ecstasydata at some point and get a real lab analysis.
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i guess a lot of the K in my area comes from the triads in chinatown NYC (the large amounts anyways) which makes me wonder if it's K at all.
This makes me think it probably is K. My very limited understanding is that K isn't very easy to make, so it's probably coming from a proper lab, not someone's basement, so China would make a lot of sense. I know a lot is diverted through Mexican Veterinarians, so probably CA/SA Vets too..
I've never tried that shit, but I definitely would..
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@Esoteric Anhydride how have you never done K?!?!
Knowing your personality based on your posts I'd say it very well may be your all-time favorite
Think of the consciousness - expanding aspects of traditional psychedelics
Combined with the warmth and self-righteous love of mdma/opiates
If I had to choose only one drug to ever be able to use it would be K
Matter of fact it's the only one I miss now that I'm clean for over a year now
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^^ I know right it seems like it would be a fun drug. I've wanted to try it for awhile. Kinda weird I've never been interested in PCP, but I guess K is a bit different despite the chemical similarities? IDK. I'd def. try it tho..
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I've never had a chance to try PCP, but from everything I've learned, it's quite different from Ketamine.
Read some of John Lilley's stuff that he wrote while he was IV/IMing tons of K and communicating with dolphins etc. - it's pretty wild...
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I went through months of shooting K at 120 mg per dose.
life changing.
on a bed, shoot, no jacking, cap it, whack a tissue on wound and lie down stat.
enjoy. don't move head for 20 minutes.
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I've never done pcp, but all my friends have (there is a LOT of dust in the area im living in now. connecticut. just recently I was in one of those bus shelters waitying for a bus and the two homeless guys sitting next to me were foggin the shelter out smokin a wooly blunt or w/e its called. it was funny they passed it back and forth for like 10 minutes until they both just slumped over and passed out. a few hours later I went by again and they were still there lol. to my point, all my friends said it isn't really overly similar to K. I've never had any real interest in trying it, heard a lot of bad stuff.
K is really a ton of fun. I tried IMing it a few times, but there doesn't seem to be much reason to. It's easy enough to snort and IM doesn't drop the dosage too much. I stopped doing opiates in november anyways, so I'm not using needles anymore. Snorting it is hella fun though. I have only K-holed successfully once (every time I tried I under shot the dosage, so I'd try higher dose next time, but I was doing it WAY too much so my tolerance kept oging up, so I'd increase my dosage and still undershoot the k-hole) but I didn't really enjoy the hole too much anyways. It isn't that it was unpleasant, or that I did not enjoy it. Lower dose is just more fun and slightly more social (K dancing is funny)