Post by: Jega on September 24, 2015, 12:41:19 PM
8-bromo-6-(2-fluorophenyl)-1-methyl-4H-[1,2,4]triazolo[4,3-a][1,4]benzodiazepine
Flubromazolam1.jpg (10.63 kB . 252x240 - viewed 1020 times)Just reading that makes me hard in my brain. There isn’t anything else quite like it. One could say it’s Bromazepam with a triazole ring and a 2-fluorophenyl but then it’s really not Bromazepam anymore. Not even close.
It has every single ingredient to the strongest benzo imaginable except maybe Fluorine at the 7 position but we’re really splitting hairs at that point. This right now as I see the RC market this is the strongest thing out there. Clonazolam is up there but this beats even that. Especially in the retrograde amnesia department.
Flubromazolam needs to be C1 now though the emergency scheduling act. If we (governments) thought Rophenol (Flunitrazepam) was bad, although it can be used correctly, the amnesic effects of Flubromazolam blow it out of the club. And I never have once before said a drug should be ILLEGAL but this is just too dangerous. At its effective dose range you’d never see it sprinkled in your drink.
I have never ever, in all of my experience with Benzos (I’m not listing them let's just say even though I’m in the states, I’ve gotten shipments from all over the world) I have never ever found one that has an effective dose at such a low amount.
For some perspective Triazolam is 0.50mg to 10mg Diazepam with an effective dose of 0.25mg (you’ll feel it.) This has an effective dose somewhere between 0.10mg-0.25mg and frankly I’d put that on the low end.
And the Amnesic effects. Holy crap. I have no memory of last Saturday and Sunday. I know I went to church at the hospital (don’t ask), but I have nothing more than a couple flashes. I’ve had Rophenol (Flunitrazepam), Midazolam, I’ve had extensive experience with Triazolam, and the amnesic effects don’t come close to Flubromazolam. This is in its own category.
Your memory just shuts down. And when that happens you tend to dose more. But even if you didn’t, the amount necessary to sprinkle in someone’s drink could be held between someone’s fingertips.
This shit is Dangerous.
Dangerous people. Now the shit works. Don’t get me wrong. And if you asked Jega to design his dream benzo it’s going to look at lot like this. That doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.
Honestly stick with things that dose in the 1mg+ range. Etizolam is safe. I had a positive experience with Diclazapam. Clonazapam is another one that doses in the 0.25mg range. And really people. Do you have a scale that can handle that? I know you don’t.
I’ve never told someone (I don’t believe) to avoid a benzo but I am today. This is not for the beginners or those who have experience. This is the shit that should be banned. Its primary effects are retrograde amnesia. First and foremost. And if you don’t remember the buzz then what was the fucking point.
10 bucks says I fuck my own advice and order it again at some point.
But don’t!
Post by: NZniceguy on September 24, 2015, 05:31:38 PM
Post by: Taytoechip on September 24, 2015, 05:56:32 PM
Jega your intelligence of this subject is absolutely astounding.
Personally, I have very little experience/knowledge when it comes to this sorta thing, But god damn do i find your posts interesting/entertaining as shit.
Post by: Jega on September 24, 2015, 07:59:42 PM
Tiny correction: Clonazolam is another one that doses in the 0.25mg range. Not Clonazapam. I'm blaming spell check for that since I haven't got all the RC's in the dictionary yet.
Post by: Jega on October 05, 2015, 01:43:18 AM
I only ordered a small amount of Etizolam so I was beginning withdrawal and I wasn’t about to throw this Godsend away. So I decided to test this. Really test this.
My bullshit eyeballing put 200ug will get your out of absolutely withdrawal, make the shaking stop, relax your muscles, clear your thoughts, and generally relax you.
Around 100ug will get your out of withdrawal and the shaking will stop, but there is an absence of muscle relaxation.
We’re talking about tiny amounts. An amount that frankly unless you have 10 grand to drop of a scale, you couldn’t measure it.
Onset for doses within reason is 20-30 minutes. The only thing that comes close to that is Triazolam. I was actually surprised at the time of onset but considering the structure, I shouldn’t be shocked.
I’ve seen this mentioned having duration of 12-24 hours. Now I don’t want anyone to redoes to early here, but there is no way its half-life is 24 hours. My bullshit eyeballing put it at 2-6 hours.
Within 2 hours you start to notice yourself coming down. Now remember this is doses within “reason”.
It’s darn effective. Within 30 minutes all my benzo withdrawals went away and I had a solid 2 hour break.
As long as it’s taken within reason and most importantly given the respect it deserves it can be dosed effectively. But it’s still incredibly dangerous. And I still think it can be banned since the effective dose for retrograde amnesia is so small. But in a pinch it works.
I still maintain this is a date rape drug and should be banned. It’s just too easy to overdose or cause someone else to overdose. And while I’m not noticing the retrograde amnesia at very low doses, at higher doses you can easy loose a nice a day possibly two. Like I said before, the amount that can cause an OD and Retrograde amnesia could be held in someone’s fingertips and no one could see it coming.
Post by: Sand and Water on October 05, 2015, 06:09:30 AM
i've been meaning to make this comment for the past year every time i see your posts similar to this.
Jega your intelligence of this subject is absolutely astounding.
Personally, I have very little experience/knowledge when it comes to this sorta thing, But god damn do i find your posts interesting/entertaining as shit.
^^what he said! Also, im a bit biased b/c of some dirtbag slipping something (we still don't know what it was). into my daughter soda at college, but big thanks for speaking to the unscrupulous potential use.
Post by: Jega on October 05, 2015, 04:56:30 PM
I’m sorry sand and water about someone putting something into my daughter drink at college.i've been meaning to make this comment for the past year every time i see your posts similar to this.
Jega your intelligence of this subject is absolutely astounding.
Personally, I have very little experience/knowledge when it comes to this sorta thing, But god damn do i find your posts interesting/entertaining as shit.
^^what he said! Also, im a bit biased b/c of some dirtbag slipping something (we still don't know what it was). into my daughter soda at college, but big thanks for speaking to the unscrupulous potential use.
You truly have my heartfelt apology for you and your daughter.
And there is no good test for this since a marquis test makes your drink taste awful.
We need more decent people in this world, and we also need depressants that dose a in an eight of a grain. Something that you can see!
Post by: Jega on October 23, 2015, 02:59:25 AM
And I still maintain this is extremely dangerous and should be avoided but this is what It looks like.
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Post by: Zoops on October 23, 2015, 04:08:09 AM
But damn do you think they could increase the potency even more? Perhaps by replacing that bromine atom with another fluorine? The more electron-withdrawing at the 7-position, the more potent, right? Not a whole lot of room for changing that structure.
I have always thought it would be cool as shit to do synthesis and characterization of novel pharmaceutical compounds.
Like these 7-membered ring compounds that are fentanyl analogs I've been reading about. Where the piperidine ring is replaced by azepane - with certain structural modifications, they can approach fentanyl per se in their potency, but the analogous compound to fentanyl, where you just replace piperidine with azepane is only like 1/10 the potency of fentanyl. Still nothing to sneeze at, what 1mg instead of 1/10mg to get a nice hit? And I think any decent lawyer could successfully argue around any prosecution based on controlled substance analogs because it's a completely different heterocyclic ring at the center of the molecule.
Post by: Jega on October 23, 2015, 04:33:26 AM
I don't know what could make this stronger other than replacing that bromine atom with another fluorine Or, Or, replacing the R8 with a nitro group, NO2. That could make a very interesting compound!!! a hydroxy compound at the 3 position like Lorazepam could be interesting too. Also look up Adinazolam on wiki one of these days. it's Xanax with a Nitro group added to the Triazlo ring
The way the market is right now this is the strongest benzo on the market. Frankly if there was, i'd have posted about it already lol.
Post by: quercus on October 23, 2015, 04:35:30 AM
Coming from someone who enjoyed phenazepam and other benzos most consider dangerous I have to say AVOID flubromazolam, it's dangerous and like someone else said the primary effects are dominated by memory loss and inability to form coherent memories.
Post by: Jega on October 23, 2015, 05:08:09 AM
Always nice to have good feedback. I do appreciate it.
I don't know what could make this stronger other than replacing that bromine atom with another fluorine Or, Or, replacing the R8 with a nitro group, NO2. That could make a very interesting compound!!! a hydroxy compound at the 3 position like Lorazepam could be interesting too. Also look up Adinazolam on wiki one of these days. it's Xanax with a Nitro group added to the Triazlo ring
The way the market is right now this is the strongest benzo on the market. Frankly if there was, i'd have posted about it already lol.
We need to test Nifoxipam with a Triazlo ring! On second thought, do we? lol
Post by: Jega on October 29, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
I have this giant abscess in the crook of my left arm so around midnight to 1 I took all the Flubromazolam I had left in the house. Let me tell you that was not the best idea. I’ve told you this shit is dangerous, but it fuck it, I needed something that worked...
Around 1 am I was completely out of my mind, “Benzosed out” I suppose you would say.
I soon (which was kind of original idea) took a nap and woke around 11am.
First thing I notice when I go for my morning cigarette. I’m still fucked up. Real fucked up. I have no balance, my speech was impaired, I was messed up. Too messed up to go out, but did have my basic mental functions going on.
I could tell what was happening around me.
This continued to improve until about 2pm when I needed to go to Walgreens. I was not driving. Let me say again, I was not driving. I ran some errands and came back to write this.
So this is a much longer acting benzo then I originally gave it credit for. We’re tailing 16 plus hours since I dosed.
Sedation is mostly gone away
I am noticing a relief in anxiety
My balance is returning
My mental thinking has mostly returned
My Anterograde amnesia is still sever so I have strong inability to create to memories but my
Retro Amnesia has mostly returned
So that’s my little trip report.
I just got 268mg of Conazolam today so I’m not without benzos.
Post by: neighbor on October 29, 2015, 06:15:07 PM
I swear it seems like when I take a moderate-strong dose, ill get this problem: ill have trouble with extreme short-term memory. like things I was just thinking about 3 seconds ago seem to dissolve as I try and think about them. Ill know I was just thinking about something, but it fades the more I try and think about it.
I dont recall ever experiencing anything like that with etiz or the proper benzos.
Post by: Jega on October 29, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
jega, have you noticed any sort of unusual memory loss with the clonazolam? im not talking normal anterograde amnesia
I swear it seems like when I take a moderate-strong dose, ill get this problem: ill have trouble with extreme short-term memory. like things I was just thinking about 3 seconds ago seem to dissolve as I try and think about them. Ill know I was just thinking about something, but it fades the more I try and think about it.
I dont recall ever experiencing anything like that with etiz or the proper benzos.
I'm not sure but put this in my clonazolam thread. I just got more this morning and that will help me track it.
Post by: Zoops on October 29, 2015, 09:46:39 PM
jega, have you noticed any sort of unusual memory loss with the clonazolam? im not talking normal anterograde amnesia
I swear it seems like when I take a moderate-strong dose, ill get this problem: ill have trouble with extreme short-term memory. like things I was just thinking about 3 seconds ago seem to dissolve as I try and think about them. Ill know I was just thinking about something, but it fades the more I try and think about it.
I dont recall ever experiencing anything like that with etiz or the proper benzos.
I got this problem with the synthetic cannabinoids I was using heavily last year and earlier this year. Like I'd be thinking of something, then a few seconds later totally forget what train of thought I was having. But several months out, and it's very infrequent these days, and if I try hard I can remember what it was. I know the fake weed was what was responsible for it.
Post by: BlueRollin on February 16, 2016, 01:41:12 PM
The only site Infound was in the U.K. And they would send them literally everywhere but the United States.
Post by: Snout on February 16, 2016, 02:13:17 PM
Post by: Jega on February 16, 2016, 02:17:06 PM
This is dangerous people. Now this shit works. Don’t get me wrong. And if you asked Jega to design his dream benzo it’s going to look at lot like this. That doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.
I’ve never told someone (I don’t believe) to avoid a benzo but I am today. This is not for the beginners or those who have experience. This is the shit that should be banned. Its primary effects are retrograde amnesia. First and foremost. And if you don’t remember the buzz then what was the fucking point.
Then again, i'm considering getting more if I could...
Please don't do what I do.
Post by: Fat Pie on February 16, 2016, 09:36:50 PM
And if you don’t remember the buzz then what was the fucking point.
That is a question I have asked myself on numerous occasions. And I don't even use benzos!
I know I'm in hardly in a position to comment on safety, but be safe man.
Post by: Old Man on April 21, 2016, 02:53:45 AM
I had no idea whatsover this stuff would work. Got hold of 100 0.5mg tabs for approx £30. Tried one after a few beers and slept for approx 18 hours. My insomnia problem solved.
Thing is, had a bit of a booze thing going on for last 40 odd years and mostly had it under control. Certainly would never drive drunk again after 4 DUIs, car was my life, my independence. Just got myself a nice old 250 bhp estate car and even the odd occasion I would drink I was so careful I would work out alc units and how long my liver would take to burn the alcohol off - and then still add an hour or more before driving. Being ultra careful as I say.
At the same time I ordered the flubromazolam I'd also got some 1p-lsd, as fancied seeing what that was about, having had some experiences 25 to 30 years earlier with the real stuff. Kind of thought my life needed some astral or cosmic input, for some reason. Daft really, as things were fine.
Anyway, the flubromazolam came as an afterthought really and as they seemed so cheap it seemed foolish to not purchase some.
The 1p-lsd was ok, but not what I was looking for and not what I remembered acid to be. OK, some nice moving floor tiles and some other interesting effects but the mind expansiveness was lacking - thought maybe that was me and my age, but dunno really, I suspect not.
Had tried a 1p with a flubo one night and wished for sleep to come, like I said, i wasn't really in the mood. Had already decided I wasn't 21.
Then one night a few weeks later, I'd had some strong beers - about 2.5 litres of 8.5%abv, then as going to bed at 3am, with last swig of beer took 3 flubo .5mgs. As far as I was concerned I was out of beer and bed was where I was going for a long time.
I awoke not knowing if it was day or night, having had some awful nightmares too so staggered through here to front room and saw it was 10pm ish. Seemed about right considering the beer and the tabs etc - still under the illusion that at 25p each and bought online they were just like toys really - despite my previous 18 hour snooze with one of them.
The nightmare thing was still concerning me though, had some weird yet both blurred and vivid images in my head - then I noticed my coat on the settee and a piece of paper near it.
On examination it had a printed name of a police station in the area, and a time, about 12 hours previously, 'signed' by me.
I went outside - no car. Fucking nightmare.
A few frantic phone calls later I discovered car was in a field not far away. No persons nor animals injured, just cars pristine paintwork, bodywork, etc, was no longer that way.
That was the least of my worries of course. Had no memories whatsover of police station. Had no idea if I'd been blood or urine tested, where the keys were, if I was seen driving the car, no idea. I may not have been in the car for all i knew! Scary stuff.
So, turned out there were no witnesses, no blood or urine tests and my alc reading was so low it was barely illegal, in fact if not for the recent change in the law it would not have been. Thing is, i knew I was out of my face. To have that level of no ideaness despite being virtually stone cold sober was enough to make me realise I had to come clean and plead guilty to driving with excess alcohol. Clean-ish anyway.
With previous DUI's prison was likely, but fortunately some good letters of support and early guilty plea helped. Had I mentioned the flubos I would have been charged with drug driving and that is a different ball game. I am surprised I didn't tell the officers at the station tbh. Turns out they had a Dr out to check on me as they were so concerned at my state. Again, no recollection at all of this. Amazed he didn't insist on urine test at least. So, even though I am without car again for years and life is shorter, I know I was lucky.
Those little green pills -look just like small vitamin tabs or slug pellet type things - Jeezus.
As Jega pointed out a few times - this shit is dangerous. Having said that, it will probably only attract more to try it.
I truly wish I had never found the shit in the first place. No car, no job, no girlfriend, no holidays with her, my ill Mum worried sick as I can no longer get there when needed. All 'cos I fancied a trip down memory lane. Dickhead.
I wouldn't mind so much if I could remember doing any of it, as if I was off to buy more beer, or was racing an Audi Quattro, or had some kind of reason for going out in the car, even taking someone to hospital - but to have zero recollection is something else. No fun.
Now, wish I had a nice lump of Leb to chill with!
Take care. And Jega, do not buy any more flubo. You're worth more than that shit.