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Core Topics => Health Issues and Medical => Topic started by: Chip on August 01, 2015, 02:58:38 PM
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If you don't know me from Opiophile then let me introduce myself as a user.
I started injecting at the age of 16 and have had many breaks and many runs in my 53 years of age.
Now, i chose to make a combination of Methadone and Dexamphetamine or whatever stimulants i could find, my drug of choice for close to two decades -- that meant large barrels, fatter sharps and butterflies; a bad prospect for any upstanding vein.
Now i refuse to use my groin, my neck or my feet. I'm saving those spots for blood draws or possible hospitalisation because you never know.
Today, I spent an hour scanning for a vein and yes, i got it but i have to give injecting up because, apart from having little to no options, it's become all about getting the shot in and less about the drug- it defies logic but that's where i find myself at now.
I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has succesfully ystopped IV'ing, for whatever reason, because i need to change my inner dialog.
It must be madness but yet here i am.
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Hey Chipper,
I was able to successfully stop injecting with the help of Methadone 10 years ago.
I had no veins to work with and before stopping had been using my feet, legs, neck, but never the groin.
I would spend an hour or more just trying to find a vein. It was awful and I felt so ashamed sitting in my bathroom bloody and bruised while my kids waited patiently for me to come out of the bathroom. You can only poop for so long.
This comes at an interesting time for me as I just went through a hellish experience going in for an MRI with contrast, which means being poked.
Those techs that inject the contract could only use my arms and even then were limited on where they could inject.
I am no looking at 3 large bruised areas and while they got the contrast in, it just wasn't in a vein.
My point to all this, I wish I would have known the future before I started injecting. I didn't think about getting older and now having to deal with medical issues, I only cared about one thing and that was injecting my dope.
I recently started to see veins come back in my legs and what is my first thought, " I could hit that!"
You are not the only one to feel the way you do. I felt the same way, just getting the shot in.
What changed for me was my kids and I knew I could not continue to put myself through the daily hell of trying to find a vein so I could get high. I spent more time in the bathroom than I did all day with my kids and that was a sad fucking place to be in.
It must of been dumb luck, but they had just opened up a Methadone clinic not far from where I had lived and I just decided to go back on methadone again.
Like you, I had been through the cycle of being on and off dope and on and off Methadone.
I don't know what it will take for you to stop, but maybe changing the route of administration (ROA) would help. That would be my first suggestion to you.
Eventually, you are going to run out of options. That is just the sad fact my friend of injecting drugs.
What is your bottom line? It would be nice to hear from others that have given up the needle.
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it's like losing a very close friend, i'm in some form of grief despite my body cheering.
thanks for keeping it real.
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Man alive, chipper... You've obviously been a champion at harm reduction to of had such a long run at the needle. I think you just admitting it's over to yourself and to us here is going to put some accountability on you stopping. You know what damage has been done, and you know that any further damage could end up really bad, and I believe you're smart enought to not put yourself thru the "really bad".
Great post and advice as usual, candy...
Chipper, I have less time using than you but I can relate to you, for the last few years I try to limit my use to "special" occasions. That's what worked for me and how I was using. I break out the points maybe 3-4 times a year and use them for no more than 3 days at a time, rotating and such. Even then I feel the same shame and hopelessness at times and feel like I've gone too far. I've gone years without using the needle but I romanticized it as well and still do.
It's not easy. And you've been at this so long it's part of you. Do you think you're methadone and dex will keep you well? How will you use now and do you think you'll be stable with out injecting? What are your plans on how you'll stop iv use?
Sorry I just asked you all those questions lol, just curious, cause this is kind of a big deal :) I hope the best for you and wish you all the luck in the world :)
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For those of you embarrassed about injecting. DON'T BE!!!
Here is my little story of the day:
About 30 some odd years ago when I was severely anorexic(5'10" and 90lbs) I used to "go down" a lot. Meaning I would pass out and end up in the hospital.
Every time I went in, they would ask me if I was an IV drug user. I would tell them "no" but they never believed me. They could not find veins because all of mine would collapse into themselves. I used to have to point out the big vein in my groin.
Anyway, just goes to show you, they always think people are IV drug users and label them as such. Like it is a bad thing?
Nothing like having several nurses raming 4 inch needles all over your body, trying to find a damn vein. And then there were the blood gasses....
Just remembering and rambling now.
Sorry.
~QoD
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Qod...thank you for that...I have to say I have no clue what "blood gasses" are and now I'm gonna google it, but im a little terrified to..;)
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I had a friend whose stomach exploded - yes, all over the inside of an ambulance.
I wonder if that's what blood gases are (?)
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Candy please correct me if I read this wrong, but drawing for a blood gas is done to determine CO2 & other levels such as oxygen. The info can be needed for many reasons (just a couple examples: patients w/diabetes or whose pulmonary function is compromised or when acidosis or other Ph imbalances are a concern.
Based on the levels from this, the Dr can then determine an appropriate treatment plan. It's an arterial draw vs venous (vein), so is it not an 'easy stick', and Ive been told it hurts far more than regular blood draws.
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I had a friend whose stomach exploded - yes, all over the inside of an ambulance.
I wonder if that's what blood gases are (?)
What??? Ok that story needs to be told.
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you should see his stomach - all his muscles ruptured as he had two infections that met eachother and his stomach burst.
it's 100% true. he is now has a huge belly and disengages with his old life.
it's a very rare thing and it happened right inside the ambulance.
if you have any questions then I can pass them on.
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Two infections as in, two abscesses? (is he an IVDU?) Jesus. Im just wondering what actually happened medically since usually infections dont result in that kind of violent thing I'm picturing, that would rupture muscles.
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he was an injector, yes.
i will ask him exactly how it went down ... and will get back to this thread. may take a while, though.
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being more than 200 days since my last injection i occasionally will look down at my arms and have like mental flashbacks of the hours spent poking over and over the same areas towards the end of my most recent habit.
amazingly ive healed up quite well though. i still have a major scar on each arm right in the middle crook, like the classic iv spot each a little less than a cm long. so its not super noticeable. but i'm sure it will be there for many many years to come
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I wish you the best with stopping the injections chipper. It can definitely be it's own beast. My best advice is to get rid of ALL the needles, dirty and clean, and just don't allow yourself to buy more. It can be hard at first, but you quickly develop a resolve to keep with it.
I have stopped a few times. As the scars fade, the shorts and t-shirts come out of hiding, and your self confidence increases you will feel so much better about it. Especially with methadone. It will increase your stability. You will just feel better overall.
I will add that having needles around made relapses a lot easier. Without it seems like one more obstacle to keep you going on the right track. Putting down the needles was key to my current good position in the addiction spectrum.
I know you can do this man. Drop me a line if you need any help, or for whatever reason at all.
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I have a friend who's been a heavy injector since the early seventies and he still uses the same vein,in the same spot he started with-fucking sickening,huh.
From someone else who's raging against the dying of his circulatory system.
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good point, Z - I have been reusing old sharps as I have about 500 in my room.
those fuckers have got to go - that IS a huge part of the problem.
I shall get rid of them. good call.
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Chippie I've been on some metaphysical spiritual awakening trip, and I read that post title as "my final days of injecting" as in, foreshadowing your death.......
Please stop injecting, if it's getting nearly impossible take that as a sign? I'm not trying to be grim my mind is just all scrambled up lately and I got alarmed because of how I just, read that post title. Be careful plz.
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I often look at the one vein that visibly came back and think "I could hit that". I never could have quit shooting without quitting opis and stims tho- too tempting.
If there's interest I can post pics of how wicked my tracks still look after two years away. Shit is silly.
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Chippie I've been on some metaphysical spiritual awakening trip, and I read that post title as "my final days of injecting" as in, foreshadowing your death.......
Please stop injecting, if it's getting nearly impossible take that as a sign? I'm not trying to be grim my mind is just all scrambled up lately and I got alarmed because of how I just, read that post title. Be careful plz.
i am careful and my tolerance is now my friend. i only shoot methadone if i see a decent prospect - and that's not often.
i don't use Heroin these days, preferring the quiet life of a lone tweaker. I do have my mates to smoke with and TBH, i like it this way.
if anything's going to get me it will be the bloody cigarettes !
your concern is misdirected but i am flattered, regardless.
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I often look at the one vein that visibly came back and think "I could hit that". I never could have quit shooting without quitting opis and stims tho- too tempting.
If there's interest I can post pics of how wicked my tracks still look after two years away. Shit is silly.
Have your tracks changed if not improved?
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They aren't open any more. Just pitted and scarred. I can have blood drawn now, but exit only. Any IV going in needs to be in my neck BC my shit leaks, which leads to abcesses
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Some of ya'll know I have huge (like 8"x3") feather-shaped scars on both forearms from an infection I got while shooting speedballs about 12 years ago. When they first healed enough to stop bandaging them I was super embarrassed about them and tried to wear long sleeves everywhere; I especially thought they had to be covered up in professional settings. As the years went by and they faded somewhat I stopped feeling that way and now I don't let them bother me. Hardly anyone ever asks what they are anymore--in the beginning everyone used to, including cashiers at grocery stores, etc.
Then I have various smaller ones along the veins in my inner arms, not inside the elbow but everywhere else practically. Maybe its a blessing my veins never lasted very long because I dont have tracks, just isolated single scars from healed abscesses. They probably look more like self harming scars (cigarette burns) than anything else.
Granted its a bit different since my scars don't scream "IVDU!" but they do look like I was in a fire or something...and TO ME they felt like they were advertising my drug use at first since I knew that's where they came from. That was a lot of why I felt the need to hide them; I felt like they betrayed some kind of untrustworthiness or vulnerability that would make me less respectable or hire-able.
I think part of our insecurity about our scars is knowing where they came from, its like you feel like you're wearing a big needle sign on your face. But that isn't always something that other people who don't know you, who aren't doctors or other junkies, will be able to see.
LOL I also used to use my scars as "proof" of true junkie status when trying to get on with a new dealer in a new city.
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I have a few scars the sizes range from a nickel or almost a Kennedy half dolla. They are located right above veinw. I've never been asked how I got em.
Plus side is since I'm so white, the scars are lighter and you have to be blind to not see the veins bow
Thank god I don't have to search em out anymore. Ports and piccs for the win!!
Anyhow, just waiting on infectious disease, GI surgeon, and my pm doc to see me this morning.
They need to take out my feeding tube and physically move it to a new spot. They've been going title for tat as to when and where it gets done. Bleh
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Great thread. I stopped IVing dope only when I ran out of veins. I can't hit my neck , just can't do it, but I've fucked my feet and groin good and proper. Every shot in the foot, even if injected perfectly with no miss and hitting on the first Attempt would make my feet swell up like when you hit your hands, the dreaded "gorilla paw" as its called in Seattle. I had to resort to IM and skin popping tar, which is stupid, but it works and I'm a junky. My close friend has been skin popping tar for years and has never got an infection. I've had MRSA, countless absecces (sp?), and like mAkita said, my arms and legs look like those of a burn victim. Ugh.
I had to get a blood draw like 2 years ago and they had 4 nurses going over me with a light, can't find a vein to hit. The one nurse says "call Jose", and this phillipino phlebotomist shows up, and he's like a water witch. He stuck a needle in a spot in my arm where I couldn't see or feel any vein, and hit a gusher! I was like " I love you, come home with me!"
I'm happy to say I haven't shot any dope since August !!!!!
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Hi Chipper. Ya I sure do remember you from Opiophile. Good to see you here.
I have no idea if we ever interacted on a post or not before. But I am 35, and as far as the mental aspect of injecting, I think I'm about where you are.
I have used my feet extensively. It's a painful place to use. Don't ever use between your toes, unless you have no fear of mortality and digits falling off. Using in the legs sucks. I won't do the groin either, or ever the neck. I was, not long ago, thee worst person at shooting up. My arms are gross. But now, there are these two spots, south of the bend of the elbow on the right, and south of the bend of the elbow on the left. The backs of my hands are also just not a good place for me and if I hit the wrong place on the forearm I get some nasty cramping. Fuck wrists too. I won't hit my wrists; just a personal preference (of many people.)
I'm a guy with a bigger build. So my arms are thick enough. I was able to quit heroin in September 2015. The first time I quit, more of a various opiate addiction in the mid 2000's, I needed methadone. I got up to 280mg's (liquid Minnesota (I know how it's distributed varies state to state. Minnesota clinics all use the varying colors of Purdue Pharma brand methadone)) This time I did something else. I guess if you can't get Ibogaine then grab a bunch of coke till your brain forgets what heroin is... No joke: did a ton of coke and no heroin in September, and after about 3 weeks, my body just stopped craving H. My point: when I do buy coke, which isn't often enough since I'm quite poor, I am not kind to my arms in the areas where those veins are dependable. If I miss by an inch because I forgot which mark was the one that had the awesome gusher under it, I show no patience in finding the spot a millimeter away. Then when the drugs are gone, I have these routines where all the empty bags and all the cottons are stored, just to cause me more pain. Because we all know boiling and shooting cottons sucks, and that hazy look of a used dope or coke bag that is not drugs. So there's days I shoot up and I don't even have any drugs. And no, it's not just so thrilling either. So, I'm, in essence self-mutilating. There's nothing like taking a hit that you scraped off a bag of coke from 5 years ago only to find it's dust and mannitol. I've shot a lot of lint up in my day.
I just want you to know I am the same in regards to shooting up. I dream of a world with a steady supply of coke, heroin, methamphetamine, mdma etc. Man it's been since 2005 since I had Dilaudid. It's been since 2005 since I've had a clean pharmacutical opiate high. And that's just sad. You know what I think your problem is? I think your problem is that we all pay too much for drugs. And a lot of people who come to a place like Opiophile's successor all wish there was just a way we could do our stuff in peace, and that the economy in the USA was setup for people to make money without having to get extremely lucky.
When it comes to quitting heroin: I've always tried to make certain when I'm really going to go CT - (which for me means drinking tons after the initial stages of withdrawl, smoking tons of weed, hopefully doing coke, because coke takes my mind off H, doing my benzos and whatever else doctors give me) - that I've just gotten some truly primo dope. I'll tell you why I think I can get off dope, coke, any drug (dope is the hardest though other than benzos for me,) especially after I get the best grade. My mind is satiated. I found some amazing heroin during one of my travels. When that heroin became unavailable, I stopped doing heroin till it came back months later. I keep a couple Suboxone around for dopesickness. My dad used to work for a hospital and I used to have Narcan, but my ex-girlfriend panicked when I seriously OD'ed in September of 2014, and she shot it onto the floor instead of into my veins. It's too bad, because I really liked to think of myself as a guy who planned for contingency. But the young lady couldn't handle reviving me with the Narcan.
But I really quit the heroin this time, from weening off VERY slowly. I mean just fuck it I bought shit and said I was quitting. But I kept cutting down. I could buy serious weight in California, whereas in Minnesota I could buy bags that didn't even weigh .4 or whatever they're supposed to weigh. So the utter humiliation of buying these skimped out Minnesota bags is what really finished off the detox (from heroin.) But you know man... I just wish I was free of all of it. Maybe if people took care of each other we'd do less drugs. Everybody is trying to get something from everyone. I went out on a blind date with my cousin's friend in Cali, and the bitch is asking me where I work in text before we even got something to eat, and even started telling me I should work full-time when I told her I had a part-time IT job...
I hope this was a good read, and not a bad read. And I hope I'm not giving you this crazy long response in vain, and that maybe I said something helpful. I'm responding to your post, because I'll shoot up lint off my floor if I think it has coke in it. I am lucky I have good genes. I do not deserve to be alive after all the drugs I've done. And my main problem isn't my drug problem. My problem is that I wake up feeling like shit, go to bed feeling like shit, have no hopes or dreams... My only fantasies involve waking up to find large amounts of drugs on my nightstand. I have a lot of hobbies, video games and hiking to name a couple. But whatever, they don't help much in the long run for my outlook on life.
Hopefully I didn't just depress the hell out of everyone including Chipper. But there's some deep seated reasons why I will shoot anything. And especially with coke: you look for "the right vein" for a fucking 1/2 hour, maybe longer. All your rigs are dull. The needle exchange and the ghetto pharmacy are closed so you've got noodles instead of needles that can break inside your arm at any time. With H, I can't say "bags a day" because I had grams of China White in California, which the people started to cut after a rash of OD's including mine. One time my dude was supposed to give me 7 grams of coke and 3.5 of H, and he reversed it by accident. Then I think he payed me back another 3.5 of H, which I told him flat out he didn't owe me. But let's just say with "good" dope I was using 3 bags a day. But you're right: when you have your coke rush wear off while you're trying to find a vein, it really makes you question your life. I think I will hunt down an IV for the next time I buy some coke.
Sorry about ranting, because my thoughts are racing and I'm having trouble keeping it together these days, and I hope there was some helpful content in my post. It's just good to have this board back. I hope I never end up back on heroin, especially in a terrible drug market like Minnesota. And I sincerely hope that topics like this are more common. I almost fainted the first time my friend shot me up. It was 8 mg Abbot Laboratories Dilaudid that I first shot up. Never has their been a finer pill.
Cheers
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(I'm so sorry to bother you.) <---- I was trying to reply to Shelley regarding vein woes. I just am pointing this out because it just posted me again at the end of the thread. Yes. I am in a writing mood today.
The bursting arms are scary and band-aid brand "flexible fabric" is your friend in those cases. After my abcesses became skin again and sealed back up, I realized that the doctors always seem to draw blood out of some vein that's in the middle of my arm. I never use that one for drugs. One area that can heal up for some people is right of your lower elbow on the right arm, and left of the lower elbow on the left arm. I went years of just simply missing often and all it does it make your arms explode.
There are a lot of caustic materials in, for example, Suboxone. So if I really "know my veins" and get all that garbage right in one, my kidneys are going to dispose of it. It's the same with street drugs. You want to get it all in the vein, because then it has a chance of getting processed.
Be sure to buy clean needles or use needle exchange regularly. I recently did a huge project in my room where I ensured all needles were capped properly, and that all unusable needles were disposed of. I won't tell you where I go but there's only 1 store pharmacy in Minnesota that'll sell you your 10 pack without a script.
Track marks and big bruises are a result of it being too hard to get new needles. And missing veins too, happens because you need a clean sharp rig to hit yourself right.
Best of luck with your vascular health. I am a believer that anything can heal with time.
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I'm in the same boat, mate. My IV days are numbered if not over. A few years of IV crystal methamphetamine and IV methadone syrup (in 10ml or larger barrels...so lots of liquidl) have killed every vein I once had . The ones I called terrible during heroin use became amazing towards the end bit I will say one thing..... methadone and methamphetamine aren't easy on your veins. Boo.
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I shot ecp in jersey/philly/nyc for years with little to no problem. Never even had to move from the crook of the elbow and the first/favorite spot.
Then I moved to the west coast, started with the tar, and it was a fast downhill spiral from there on out.
Bth fucked my veins up BAD and fast. I went from being extremely vascular, with road map like veins the diameter of pencils running throughout my forearms/hands, to not being able to see a single vein anywhere, and it happened quickly.
Moved onto my neck veins, which always stuck out, and were the diameter of a sharpie. Those didn't last long either. Hands, feet, legs, shoulders/chest, I shot them all away in about a year of HEAVY bth usage.
Then my boy showed me my femoral, and that's where I've been going ever since. With never a problem either.
I can hit that thing in the dark, from across the room, with a dart if I wanted to.
And the best part is if/when it becomes scar tissue, only people that will ever see it are people you fuck basically.
And even though I shot all those awesome veins away, I can tell you that remarkably I don't really have any track marks/scaring, except where I muscled or missed and abscesses developed.
The secret was the very liberal needle exchanges in frisco. They will literally give you bags full, everyday, all day, multiple times a day.
Pretty much all the junkies I knew there used 2 needles for every shot, that's how easily available rigs are.
Once I was shown, I was like "fuck I wish I would've known about this method sooner".
It comes down to using 2 rigs, one to draw up with, and one to shoot up with.
Draw up with one, and then squirt it into the back of the one you shoot up with.
This way the one you stick into your vein never touches a cotton or a cooker, and thus is never dulled by that.
And while everyone in frisco used 2 new ones each shot, now I have to buy my rigs, so I just reuse my "draw rig" until it's falling apart, and I use my "shooting rig" a couple times before I toss it, or it becomes my new draw rig actually.
You would be very surprised how much simply touching a cotton can dull your needle.
And it's those dull needles that really give you bad tracks.
If you used a new rig for each shot, and you changed locations every so often, you could go YEARS with no tracks, and without loosing veins.
I'm sure a lot of you already use the 2 rig method, but for those that don't, please, for the sake of your veins, and in the name of HR, give it a try. Even if you reuse rigs a hundred times, use a different one to draw up, then the one you use to inject. You will notice a huge difference in how long your rigs last, and now long your veins last.
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I'm in the same boat, mate. My IV days are numbered if not over. A few years of IV crystal methamphetamine and IV methadone syrup (in 10ml or larger barrels...so lots of liquidl) have killed every vein I once had . The ones I called terrible during heroin use became amazing towards the end bit I will say one thing..... methadone and methamphetamine aren't easy on your veins. Boo.
yep, I have used the Tina and 'Done cocktail shot for years and it's the 'Done with it's larger barrel and fatter sharps that have been the problem.
today I managed to get one away (my hand) but the searching and preparing take up a lot of time, too.
guys, stay away from Methadone and BTH (from what I hear).
with regular dope and finer guage sharps you should be able to IV well into your twilight years.
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My DOC is the beloved H. When I moved to a new city and fell in w a tweaker crowd, I started shooting crystal meth for the first time in 10yrs. Within days my track marks were ridiculous, because with crystal I'd start shaking and missing and have to stick myself eighty times to get one shot. When I start to glorify that shot of H I remind myself of the two hours spent tweaking on a shot of crystal. I was in a locked bathroom in a friends hotel room, but I was sure that I was at a nice restaurant, meeting boy friends family for the first time, and outside the door his grandma and aunts were fussing and pleading with me to open the door... I was talking back to them trying desperately to hit through all this new scar tissue, at the end the whole bathroom was bloody an I had to bleach it down . And that's how I convince !myself I don't want to inject...
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I've been shooting my methadone regularly for six months...before that I shot pills and heroin but never got them on a regular basis ..I can't get to the exchange because my work hours clash with it and I've been using the same ten needles for the last two. Months ..they are the snap on kind and I only have two 10 cc barrels that I rotate ...Anyways it's taking forever to register ,sometimes up to an hour and I really need to give my forearms a chance to heal ..I really only have success shooting in the veins alongside the wrist and the veins that connect with this on the upper forearms ..any vein that's big and green and can be seen near my elbow or under my forearm explodes when I stick the needle in ...I think its time to give it a rest and go back to drinking my sugar free methadone ..there's no high and it only keeps,me well but isn't that the point ? I guess I could learn to use a tourniquet, that might make a difference in getting the shot in quicker and being able to rotate but as of now I need to stop ..my injection sites aren't infected but they are visible and it now getting to the point where these veins /nerves something in that General area hurt even if I go a few days without blasting....
Good luck chipper
Are you now. Only orally dosing your done and smoking your amps ?
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no, just now i am shooting my own doses a bit again, lately. i resurrected some old sites that i rotated between and they're accepting my dose daily. NOT every day, though ... i skip a day here and there, at least weekly.
veins can't take it.
smoking the other.
it can only last a wee bit longer ... my days are truly numbered LOW.
thanks for checking, @clinton
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I am 100% no longer interested in injecting as I'm now all about swapping the rush for a cruisy onset.
although the pipe is fast, you're still in control of how many times and how much you want to puff.
Phenibut has pushed it to the extreme with a 3-7 hour onset ... instant gratification just ain't happening !
I think I'd take the award for the most number of dirty shots but that's what you get when you buy oral preps off randoms, year in and year out.
even though I knew I would get the fever, it still didn't stop me.
after a good shot, one wants to keep on going.
I stopped for medical reasons, my immune system is not as robust as it was and the trips to hospital started to become damn annoying, not to mention embarrassing.
I will never forget the fun though and I certainly won't be lying on my death bed wishing that I had more or partied harder.
pace yourselves is my best advice and don't shoot crap that wasn't supposed to be shot.
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I also started shooting at 16; I should never have started.
I don't think veins like the femoral can really die though, they're just too big, like as thick as my thumb (never say never though). I've been doing it for two years now and haven't had anywhere near the trouble I used to (I was born with shitty veins to boot, they don't even stick out; inherited that from my mum, dad was a rower in his youth and has bloody thick cables for veins). I just stick to one side, so that the hospital can use the other in an emergency. They had to use my fem last time I went for transfusions, and unfortunately they gave me the idea.
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I never entertained using the femeral vein and after and after so many hospitalizations from injecting, i am over it.
I still see people struggle with regular surface vein IV - especially Meth where it thickens the blood and the whole IV trip becomes a nightmare. Now that's a drug that does not happily want to be injected.
I have no desire to inject any more, whatsoever. The whole production would tie me up for many hours so it has been kind of liberating and less "heavy".
But of course, when i did, i LOVED it. If you are not super wealthy and using low b/a drugs like Heroin then IV is a cost effective and understandable ROA.
But with Meth, i far prefer the rapid yet mellow onset by way of vaporization (smoking).
@Fat Pie, you sound like you have it all under control anyway.
Good health to you !
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Yeah, it's kind of ironic, until the hospital essentially showed me how to use my femoral, I was running out of spots, often wasting shots, and wondering how I was going to keep on shooting. It solved a lot of my problems, but created whole new ones, unfortunately. I took away all the wrong lessons from that experience, but if you're going to shoot, you want to get your money's worth. The amount of blood I used to expend trying to find veins was horrendous, never mind the clotting blocking up the needles, and my veins were terrible before I even started shooting; they're flat, thin veins which I inherited from my mum. My dad was a rower in his youth, and has bloody cables for veins, even though he's in his 70s.
Since I started out injecting, I've never known any other way. I only ever tried smoking once, and it was so acrid I couldn't stand it. I've never really been able to smoke tobacco, or anything else; I can't stand the taste or the smell. As for snorting, of course I used to use coke that way before I found heroin, but once I injected my first speedball, there was no looking back. I did run out of needles one time and tried snorting some dope & coke, but it was like shovelling talcum powder up my nose. I love the rush, the taste and the smell of injecting. It's what I'm addicted to now. I don't even really care about the nod, the heroin's just to help me come down from the coke, and to boost the dopamine surge.
If I had known I could just smoke or snort heroin when I first got my hands or some, I might never have IV'd. But I did, and if I'm going to use, it will be via injecting. When it comes to the main cables of the body, the risk is obviously increased, but if I was concerned about the dangers, I wouldn't be doing the stuff in the first place.
An OD is an OD, whether you inject it into your arm or your dick. The best you can do is to take the proper precautions and try to stay as safe as possible, but when it comes to using, there will always be some risk. That's just part of being a junkie.