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Title: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on October 11, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
so I opted for pain relief.

WTF is 200 mg of Tramadol, right ?

fucking misery, is what it is !

I just spent 2 days of sweating and shivering as I dropped from 200 to 100 (give or take a few 5 mg. Oxy)

PLEASE think twice about your lengthy opiate habit for you will suffer as I did for your life long dance with opiates.

I have 1200 mg of Trams left to go and I desperately need to be opiate free. Legitimate pain control kicked my arse  😟
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: FreedomOrBust on October 11, 2017, 06:45:28 PM
Chipper, I'm right there with you, my friend.

I ran out of med's over the weekend and, with the seed market busted out, I am hurting.  The irony is that I'm using small doses of tramadol to cushion the fall.  Tramadol + loperamide +DXM covers some, but not all of the withdrawal.

Stay strong, brother.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: op8world on October 12, 2017, 10:21:46 AM
Same old same old.  I'm Withdrawing for the gazillionth time.  Just last week I had a daily tolly of about 200mg ms and a shot of good homebake for 1-2 years.  I tried my hardest to taper, but had minimal success of course.  I'm not doing awful, but like others have said, dxm and lope can help a lot.  There was once a time I found daily dxm doses as high as 150mg to be useful.  Adderall helps out in the morning.  It's a miracle it's prescribed to me under the circumstances.

I don't want to be done with opioids forever, but I don't want to die soon.  I sense that death is right around the corner if I continue the shenanigans as usual; as I have the past 20 years, starting at 15.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: FreedomOrBust on October 12, 2017, 08:43:38 PM
The DXM does help on its own.  I'm really kicking my own ass here for blowing through my med's - with no decent, affordable seed left, it really is a perfect storm if you run out right now.  I can't even get seed locally now, as it is cleaned out.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Thoms on October 13, 2017, 07:18:10 AM
You’ll get through it chipper. It’s what we do after all. As long as you keep your head about you and don’t let yourself slip back into the whole just one more time thing. Just remember the years of work you put into getting clean and remember how fast that shit will straight jump right up on you.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on October 13, 2017, 03:25:59 PM
yep, I will but I'm so over getting sick at the slightest encounter with any opiate.

if I really understood how they worked then I'd have given them a big miss.

I used to think that coming off them would reset your system but now I know the truth.

every time I take an opiate, I will withdraw to some degree. the longer you take them, the more profound the withdrawal.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: MoeMentim on October 13, 2017, 11:06:49 PM
  Same happens to me, use once & get minor withdrawl symptoms.  Sucks.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: lawyerup on October 13, 2017, 11:25:45 PM
yep, I will but I'm so over getting sick at the slightest encounter with any opiate.

if I really understood how they worked then I'd have given them a big miss.

I used to think that coming off them would reset your system but now I know the truth.

every time I take an opiate, I will withdraw to some degree. the longer you take them, the more profound the withdrawal.

yup ive noticed the more often uve been hooked the quicker and easier it is to get addicted from  a small amount. there's no true reset for us lifers.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on October 14, 2017, 02:56:26 AM
yep, I will but I'm so over getting sick at the slightest encounter with any opiate.

if I really understood how they worked then I'd have given them a big miss.

I used to think that coming off them would reset your system but now I know the truth.

every time I take an opiate, I will withdraw to some degree. the longer you take them, the more profound the withdrawal.

yup ive noticed the more often uve been hooked the quicker and easier it is to get addicted from  a small amount. there's no true reset for us lifers.

Yup. Even after 2 years of not using anything, one $20 bag used over a day or so is enough to bring on wd.

Pretty much fucked for life over this shit. I think the years of methadone pretty much seals the deal.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: lawyerup on October 14, 2017, 04:50:10 AM
yep, I will but I'm so over getting sick at the slightest encounter with any opiate.

if I really understood how they worked then I'd have given them a big miss.

I used to think that coming off them would reset your system but now I know the truth.

every time I take an opiate, I will withdraw to some degree. the longer you take them, the more profound the withdrawal.

yup ive noticed the more often uve been hooked the quicker and easier it is to get addicted from  a small amount. there's no true reset for us lifers.

Yup. Even after 2 years of not using anything, one $20 bag used over a day or so is enough to bring on wd.

Pretty much fucked for life over this shit. I think the years of methadone pretty much seals the deal.

methadone is some sticky shit i dont think the body ever really resets from that drug especially.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: FreedomOrBust on October 14, 2017, 10:11:08 PM

Quote
methadone is some sticky shit i dont think the body ever really resets from that drug especially.

This is a good reminder for me to see, every time I'm tempted to try the done route.

As bad as this last w/d was, I can't step up to something that would make it worse.  I think I'm finally realizing how bad it has gotten - I just came off a miserable week, no sleep last 3 nights, even my usual hacks didn't work this time (like clonodine for sleep), the restless legs was unreal.  Tossing and turning and not able to get comfortable, hour after bloody hour.

I feel like I've been in a war. I'm past the half century mark, so my body doesn't rebound like it used to.
 
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Thoms on October 15, 2017, 03:03:42 AM
Done is a big choice. I would say make sure you are okay with the idea of being on it for the rest of your life before you trY it. For me it was the right choice as I was fucking flying down a hole that was fixing to kill me with a quickness. It’s not a free lunch for sure and not a decision to be taken lightly but it’s got its place for sure.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on October 15, 2017, 03:20:14 PM
i'm going the Lyrica route to see if i can CT (with Pregablin).

you know, i still love opiates but they have to get out of my life, legit pain control or not.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on October 15, 2017, 11:38:16 PM
i'm going the Lyrica route to see if i can CT (with Pregablin).

you know, i still love opiates but they have to get out of my life, legit pain control or not.

Have you considered jumping over to subs? IME it's not too tough once under ~20mg md or so.

Just a thought..
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on October 16, 2017, 01:04:38 AM
absolutely not as I am down to 50 mg and that's tiny.

I cannot be tied to a clinic again as my job and place of work couldn't accommodate that.

the Pregablin and tapered doses of Tramadol is by far the most effective if CT isn't viable.

but if I had a real habit then Subs would give me the most freedom so your suggestion would be entirely valid.

I'm feeling fine and have split the pills into 25 mg doses  if I need them. that is a really tiny amount and should be comfortable. I will take 150 mg of Pregablin daily and report back.

thank you for your concern but I've got this.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on October 16, 2017, 11:01:17 AM
50mg tramadol?

What was your starting dose in comparison to your methadone dose?

I have access to tramadol, never really figured it was worth a shit, and honestly it makes me a little nervous.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on October 16, 2017, 12:32:05 PM
100 mg Tramadol for about 5 weeks then 200 mg Tramadol SR + a few 5 mg Oxycodone IR daily for about 2 weeks.

then one 600 mg Tramadol "fun" dose then dropped to 100 mg in 3 days (WD kicked in) then to 50 daily and today, NOTHING but on 25 mg Meth so that defers any issues.

equivalent to 5 mg Methadone.

I hear ya, Trams are an SSRI but my 600 mg + 5 mg Oxycodone dose had me nodding so it's not all bad.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on October 17, 2017, 07:56:43 AM
You know about Serotonin Syndrome, right?

Not %100 sure, but I suspect tram and tweak might be a risky combo for this reason -- and I am for sure %100 that you don't want to deal with that mess, so be careful my friend.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on October 17, 2017, 08:31:31 AM
You know about Serotonin Syndrome, right?

Not %100 sure, but I suspect tram and tweak might be a risky combo for this reason -- and I am for sure %100 that you don't want to deal with that mess, so be careful my friend.

yep. I stopped my 5-HTP and am down to 25 mg and will be off by the end of the week. no brain zaps, no misery. Lyrica is holding me well.

I appreciate the concern and am being quite careful despite not being on it for too long. they know my history and weren't prepared to prescribe oxys (except for one script) but the neuropathic properties of the drug made it a good choice for burns patients.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on November 02, 2017, 02:22:21 AM
FINALLY (it took longer than i anticipated, as usual)  -- *burp* + *ahCHoo* ... stomach almost settled down and now i'm up for for weeks of sneezing though  :(

still, they are GREAT for pain and my pain is now gone too.

another tiny opioid detox completed and I am now at the thin end of an Olanzapine detox since i'm in the rhythm.

 

 
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: op8world on November 02, 2017, 02:04:08 PM
weeks of sneezing & yawning I'd guess.  Somehow these symptoms irritate me tremendously.  I got used to never sneezing or yawning.  3 weeks off the morph and homebake, I can't go an hour without sneezing & yawning.  Sometimes the yawning hits every minute for a 15 min stretch.  It's like I have to become human all over again.

I notice the WD brought on by tiny bits as well.  I found a few barely viable cottons after 10 days clean (probably ~ 5- 10mg).  I'm not even positive I felt it.  I had to try to convince myself that I was feeling some relief, but I'm unsure I noticed any relief at all.  Sadly, that small dose was enough to bring on a fresh wave of WD symptoms 8 hours later that lasted through the next day.  The new symptoms offered misery far outweighing the tiny dose that barely moved the needle.  At this point, I'm back to the normal symptoms. Length of habit definitely impacts how easily we re-enter wd.  It's almost like the body is primed for it.  It's been in WD so many times, that it knows exactly what to do as opiates leave the body.  We are tuned in to the symptoms we know are coming.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on November 02, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
length AND size of habit - as stated wisely, decades of (shooting) Methadone has taken a massive toll on me.

it's like being punched in the same spot for years. YEARS.

you only have to bump it or touch and it hurts.

our bodies get SO used to dealing with the opiate threat that it pounces on that issue, adjusts rapidly which results in our ensuing withdrawal.

in fairness to our bodies, they are only trying to offset the impact of perceived high levels of endorphins that could even kill us by means of respiratory depression.

I only have to think about an opiate and I break out into a cold sweat.

I once spent a bit of time in a particular room where I was in withdrawals and I remember walking into it (when well) and starting to feel uncomfortable.

of course, I must add that I am in my mid 50's and not at all opiate naive.

I see my friends on the nod and I think, why didn't that last for me ? I haven't had many nods but I certainly over-medicated in the name of unabashed hedonism.
Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: hanna on November 07, 2017, 11:32:37 AM
I hope the Lyrica is helping.

I swear by the stuff. I don't ever face real WD anymore. Even if I binge out and consume 400-600mg of Oxy for a couple of weeks, and when I'm out, I high dose Lyrica, 2nd gen antihistamine, plenty of fluids and feel perfectly functional.

I sleep, eat, don't sweat, no RLS, most importantly to me, no PAWS. Not a hint. I used to get so suicidal and drepressed.

Title: Re: still withdrawing AGAIN!
Post by: Chip on November 07, 2017, 01:07:57 PM
sure. it's a godsend (said the athiest).

such a versatile drug - great for putting the stoppers on after Meth also.

... and take enough and it's a bit trippy too !

fellow users - if you haven't tried it then i urge you to do so. it's the best general purpose drug I have ever known. highly addictive but we all know that one. :P
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