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Title: Flakka
Post by: Griffin on December 20, 2015, 02:58:20 PM
Has anyone seen or tried this? I don't like stimulants so it's not my cup of tea, but was wondering what it's like and if anyone has seen it? I just read a news article about it and that was the first time I've heard of it.

The pictures in this news article are depressing. They are pictures of 1000's of kilos of coke and heroin being burned. There is like 10 pictures from heavy seizures that are about to be burned by the government. The comments are almost as sad because it shows how stupid, brainwashed, and closed minded people are.

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/12/19/devils-drug-flakka-is-driving-florida-insane/21285928/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing7%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D1405461446
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: corlene on December 20, 2015, 03:14:43 PM
Last night on NBC Nightly News they had a story on this and how it's really causing alot of trouble in my county. They featured my city in particular. I've never done the shit.

The reason it all came about is because some local entrepreneur in the drug trade saw the effects and wholesale price coming out of china.

It's sold here for 5 bucks a hit and alot of the crack smokers on the street have taken it up because the price and the effects of the shit.

It's real bad, check out the youtube videos, almost all are filmed in my city or surrounding areas, there's signs up on billboards and Bus stops about the dangers of this shit.

It bakes your brain and causes massive organ failure in tons of users down here.

You ever seen someone high running naked down the street and then trying to break into the police station. Or maybe someone Impaling  themselves on the fence leading into the booking area of the SAME jail?

The shits real bad real real bad. Don't mess with it, the real trade name is a-PVP

It maybe one of the worst drugs on the planet

I can't find the story that was on nightly news last nigjt, but I'm sure if you dig a little more than I did you'll find it

Also check out the stories on sunsentinel.com  aswell as miamiherald.com 
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Griffin on December 20, 2015, 03:25:33 PM
Those specials and these news articles always read as an advertisement to me.

They always say it gives the user a wonderful euphoric feeling, and it is super cheap and that you can feel better then you have ever felt for only $5 and that is what makes it dangerous. It's cheap enough for anyone to use and you can get it anywhere.

Then the newscaster goes on and says "They usually set up shop to sell this cheap euphoria producing drug on the corner or this and that st... cough**ask for ricky**cough You all need to make sure your kids are not doing this horrible awful drug that makes you feel like a super star and is SUPER cheap and can be bought anywhere because it is real bad."

I don't know why but thats how all the drug news articles read to me. They did say that it is mainly in Florida and they haven't seen it much anywhere else and that they just made it illegal. They are comparing it to bath salts saying it is close to that as a drug.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: corlene on December 20, 2015, 03:36:48 PM
Those specials and these news articles always read as an advertisement to me.

They always say it gives the user a wonderful euphoric feeling, and it is super cheap and that you can feel better then you have ever felt for only $5 and that is what makes it dangerous. It's cheap enough for anyone to use and you can get it anywhere.

Then the newscaster goes on and says "They usually set up shop to sell this cheap euphoria producing drug on the corner or this and that st... cough**ask for ricky**cough You all need to make sure your kids are not doing this horrible awful drug that makes you feel like a super star and is SUPER cheap and can be bought anywhere because it is real bad."

I don't know why but thats how all the drug news articles read to me. They did say that it is mainly in Florida and they haven't seen it much anywhere else and that they just made it illegal. They are comparing it to bath salts saying it is close to that as a drug.

They refer to most any RC down here as bath salts. A coalition of local law enforcement, community leaders and reps from the dea and such traveled to China maybe a month back to see what exactly is going on over there.

The guys pushing this shit do sell it on corners mostly where the homeless congregate downtown. That little area of town by no means represents the majority of the city though.

It's just a horrible drug overall. Just from the videos on YouTube should warn you to stay as far away from this stuff as possible.

They just sentenced two guys for importing over 500k (wholesale) worth of this shit, imagine how many others are doing it too.

Stick to drugs with proven track records. The crystal form of this shit looks exactly like meth shards, sometimes these street guys pass it off as that.

I don't know any drug that routinely makes your body temp go over 104 and makes you paranoid enough to break into a damn jail. That should be enough to stop anyone from doing it. It's not though, but I guess for 5 dollars and feeling like you just blasted off from a good rock could be appealing to some.

Even on the sheriff's website there is a huge expose on this shit.

Watch the videos on YouTube you'll have some great laughs
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Opus on December 20, 2015, 03:49:19 PM
It's another substituted cathinone, similar to mephedrone and some other shit they were selling legally as bath salts awhile ago. I remember reading not long ago that it's actually pretty easy to make, easier than speed.

Fuck whacky stims. I'd rather nod or trip properly.

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/a-pvp/a-pvp.shtml
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Anti-hero on December 20, 2015, 04:32:03 PM
@ Opus that is so true.
These drugs are a big advertisements
For the standards that they are replacing
I wanna nod off of the real shit
Fuck all them R.Cs shit
It's scary
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: DeadCat on December 20, 2015, 04:33:51 PM
As bad as "Flakka" may be I had to laugh a little when I watched that clip. I'm old enough to remeber when they said the same things, practically word-for-word about LSD, then PCP then Crack, Poppers,  Bath Salts and some I am sure I have forgotten.

Instead of explaining what the drug does and WHY it is so dangrous they just repeat alarmist  hype telling us to be aftaid, very afrraid of "The Devil's Drug" while at the same time telling us how SUPER it makes you feel.

Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Guts on December 20, 2015, 05:18:40 PM
A bit off topic but it seems like spice weed causes real addiction with withdrawal and all. I saw a video where a lot of these homeless guys in the UK were getting hooked on it. Dude was seriously wigging out when he didn't have any. THC is a partial agonist while a lot of these super cannaboids are full agonists. Kinda like the difference between subs and real opis...

It's funny and ironic yet fucked up all the same that these drugs have shown up simply because the stupid fucking government thinks it's smart. The drug war is backfiring in many many ways...
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: puppy on December 20, 2015, 06:43:07 PM
A bit off topic but it seems like spice weed causes real addiction with withdrawal and all. I saw a video where a lot of these homeless guys in the UK were getting hooked on it. Dude was seriously wigging out when he didn't have any. THC is a partial agonist while a lot of these super cannaboids are full agonists. Kinda like the difference between subs and real opis...

It's funny and ironic yet fucked up all the same that these drugs have shown up simply because the stupid fucking government thinks it's smart. The drug war is backfiring in many many ways...


Most definitely...ask Zoops about K2 I believe it's called...not addictive my ass...
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Mr.pooper on December 21, 2015, 07:32:47 PM
A bit off topic but it seems like spice weed causes real addiction with withdrawal and all. I saw a video where a lot of these homeless guys in the UK were getting hooked on it. Dude was seriously wigging out when he didn't have any. THC is a partial agonist while a lot of these super cannaboids are full agonists. Kinda like the difference between subs and real opis...

It's funny and ironic yet fucked up all the same that these drugs have shown up simply because the stupid fucking government thinks it's smart. The drug war is backfiring in many many ways...

Id put it on par with kicking dope. I smoked spice everyday for a few years. Shit is no joke.

I remember when one of the first DEA ban/raids happened and the local smoke shops had a Month where they didn't carry any. I got very sick. I  had as much dope as I could use and it barley took the edge off the kick.  I feel mentally I craved spice more than heroin. It made me nod out just like with opiates. Euphoric in its own way.

Heroin and spice combined was my DOC...along with crack. But spice is dirty stuff. I'm not even sure what chemicals I was really consuming in those blends.

Most people didn't share the same positive high experience with spice. Most of the time when new people  tried smoking it, they got very awkward n weird. Usually said the high didn't feel good to them either.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Chip on December 21, 2015, 08:38:46 PM
I wonder who comes up with these odd names ?

flakka ? weird name.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: corlene on December 21, 2015, 09:14:53 PM
I wonder who comes up with these odd names ?

flakka ? weird name.

Flakka in certain areas of the Spanish speaking world is slang for skinny, chipper.

It will turn a 240 pound dude to a 140 pound guy in very very short order much like meth, but flakka makes people do stuff that you wouldnt believe ever hsppened.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Griffin on December 21, 2015, 09:21:40 PM
I wonder who comes up with these odd names ?

flakka ? weird name.

I always thought that about crack... Is it because they could crack a rock off the puck and smoke it? I always thought it was a weird name, not quite as eccentric as flakka but odd enough to make me curious.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: DeadCat on December 21, 2015, 09:56:46 PM
I always thought that about crack... Is it because they could crack a rock off the puck and smoke it? I always thought it was a weird name, not quite as eccentric as flakka but odd enough to make me curious.

I think it is called "Crack" becasue when you smoke it it "Crackles."
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Griffin on December 21, 2015, 10:00:03 PM
I think it is called "Crack" becasue when you smoke it it "Crackles."

Now that makes sense! Mystery solved call off scooby doo. I have actually never smoked crack I try to stay away from most all uppers as they don't jive well with me. It is on my bucket list though to steal all the copper out of a building and smoke crack all day. And I don't mean that to offend anyone it is actually written in my mental bucket list just like that.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Guts on December 21, 2015, 11:05:42 PM
In that video I saw, they said heroin addicts were able to quit by smoking spice. I used to smoke it every now and then. When it first came out, I don't think anyone thought it was truly addictive simple because weed isnt. I think you have to be a real heavy weed smoker (which I used to be) to be able to handle some spice. A couple of times I made the mistake of smoking wayyy too much. It didn't really hit me until after I was done smoking... felt kinda like PCP at those doses.

I've heard crack makes the noise it does because a small amount of water gets trapped in the rock after its cooked. When you smoke it, it boils.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Chip on December 21, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
Flakka in certain areas of the Spanish speaking world is slang for skinny, chipper.

It will turn a 240 pound dude to a 140 pound guy in very very short order much like meth, but flakka makes people do stuff that you wouldnt believe ever hsppened.

i see, that makes more sense. it sounds like no fun whatsoever, though. i'm surprised that people take it in the first place ...
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Narkotikon on December 22, 2015, 04:21:52 AM
I've always heard what Deadcat is saying. That crack is called crack because it make a crackling sound when you smoke it.

If you run into jail or impale yourself from that shit, I'll be staying far far away from flakka.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Anti-hero on December 22, 2015, 04:38:40 AM
I wish the powers that be
Would realize that fear doesn't work
And does more harm when people see there isn't anything to be afraid of

Baffles me why someone who has never done drugs
Gets to run a drug program

Also I guess because I live in
A 420 state I never tried it
Know a lot of people who were on
Probation/parole that smoked it
One guy I know
Had a full blown addiction
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: corlene on December 22, 2015, 04:47:37 AM
I've always heard what Deadcat is saying. That crack is called crack because it make a crackling sound when you smoke it.

If you run into jail or impale yourself from that shit, I'll be staying far far away from flakka.

Search em out on youtube both of those incidents happened in Fort lauderdale, can't be too hard to find. There is also another video where the woman looks to be in hollywood or maybe even lauderdale again.

The woman is sitting in her car and apparently she thought her stuffed animal started talking shit to her. She starts having a shouting match with the animal. It's get better, she ends up in a brawl with the stuffed animal wrestling it around on the dirt after the fight and argument ended she puts the stuffed animal back in the car

Just watching the videos gives me enough deterrent to avoid it like the plague.

There's a load of similar videos, very sad really
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Jega on December 22, 2015, 06:36:24 AM
This is just another reason I skip over substituted cathinones.

I've yet to find a good one (trip reports) and with the multitude of ones out there that says something!
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Griffin on December 26, 2015, 11:39:46 AM
Watched some youtube vids, and this is definitely not my cup of tea. I don't like not being in control I have only taken shrooms once because of it is unpleasant to me, I couldn't imagine the panic attach that comes with something like flakka.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Jega on December 26, 2015, 12:50:46 PM
What's scary is it seems the more we mess with cathinones the worse the side effect seems to be. Today it's A-PVP. I doubt tomorrow it will get any better.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Reezy on February 09, 2016, 09:23:29 PM
Its somthing about the VP's MDPV A-PVP 4f-A-pvp. Other cathinones I've tried where good. BK-MDMA aka Methylone was SOOOO close to real MDMA. But it was one of the first banned.

the PVPs man. Also, take into account, most of these people are used to crack. Now they are smoking somthing with a crack like rush(possible stronger) with a longer duration. The people flipping out probably have been up for up to a week vaping away at A-PVP.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/522311-good-god-MDPV-withdrawal-after-1000mg-binge-seriously

read this. extremely well written and detail depiction of what occured on this guys MDPV binges. CRAZY
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Chip on February 09, 2016, 09:38:44 PM
It's VERY important to remember that at certain dosages these new compounds *may* be neurotoxic enough to cause some permanent damage over a protracted period.

I wonder when/if the Blooliter recovered.

I wish I had come across that methylone
.. it sounds like a potential dancing aid.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: theSWPK on February 09, 2016, 10:45:02 PM
It's VERY important to remember that at certain dosages these new compounds *may* be neurotoxic enough to cause some permanent damage over a protracted period.

I wonder when/if the Blooliter recovered.

I wish I had come across that methylone
.. it sounds like a potential dancing aid.

My research has led me to the conclusion that injecting hot alpha-pvp into my main dick vein removes all toxicity.

Since I have began my research, my life has improved markedly. I have even been recently hired for an excellent paying position with the government. I work 40 hours a week cutting crystal meth with nanobots. Life is good.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Chip on February 09, 2016, 10:56:16 PM
now, I have avoided RCs ... I want the tried and true, deep down. some RCs just have to be dangerous in ways we don't know yet.

I don't trust the whole mail ordering issue and would worry about appearing on someone's radar.

I can't bring myself to do it ... so I miss out, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: theSWPK on February 10, 2016, 06:49:13 PM
now, I have avoided RCs ... I want the tried and true, deep down. some RCs just have to be dangerous in ways we don't know yet.

I don't trust the whole mail ordering issue and would worry about appearing on someone's radar.

I can't bring myself to do it ... so I miss out, unfortunately.

The mail order issue is nearly non existent if you order domestic and have it shipped folded in 2 sheets of paper in a standard business envelope. They don't scrutinize those standard envelopes like they do packages or bubble packs because of the sheer volume of them.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Chip on February 10, 2016, 07:58:08 PM
I doubt that there are any domestic RC suppliers here in Australia.

we have some toughest analog laws on the planet.

it's simply not an option whilst ordering from China is just asking for trouble. I think they sold Spice once but I don't even know where I could've got it from anyway.

maybe it's a good thing as I do worry about their safety.

but I would definitely try some of them given the chance - just once so I know what they feel like.

yep, just once only ... hey, I've heard myself saying that before.

Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Guts on February 10, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
Isn't it really hard to get shit through the mail in Australia? That's why drugs are really expensive and you guys have developed the crazy weird but cool H scene you have, right?

Do you guys have the same mail protection laws we do in the states?

I know a lot of online pharmacies won't ship to Australia or have disclaimers about it. I think I remember one saying they only have a 50% success rate with Australia... I could be totally making that up but it seems to be in my head somewhere.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Chip on February 10, 2016, 09:37:08 PM
we have tough border control so I assume that every piece of overseas mail is inspected.

domestic mail is much less of a concern but there are no RC vendors here, as far as i know.

the H scene varies in strengths as we are part of wider Asia.

meth is plentiful but the quality also varies a lot ... I haven't found any good MDMA.

it's all round quite tight unfortunately.
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Narkotikon on February 11, 2016, 09:00:43 AM
Do you all have much coke there down under, Chipper?

I'm guessing no.

If by some odd chance you do, what're the prices for a gram? A ball?

The prices I've heard / read quoted for crystal are insane. Ridiculously insane. 
Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Chip on September 29, 2016, 02:38:49 PM
I know Nark is gone but i thought someone may find this interesting.

lots of coke but it's not that great and costs $300 a gram !

crystal is getting cheaper and i pay $100 for 3 (and a bit) pts. but wholesale prices are about $300 per 1.75 grams but i only use about 4 pts per fortnight so such greater quantities are not for me.

.
. I think people end up so smashed on this drug is because you only need a few milligrams and therefore end up overdosing.
.

... now back to Flakka, here is a disturbing clip on it:

Title: Re: Flakka
Post by: Chip on October 17, 2016, 11:14:04 AM
Flakka just surfaced in the news here in Oz - predictable mayhem, just as it was reported in the US.

sold as Ecstacy, how unfortunate and careless ... about 16 people ended up OD'ing in various degrees and priced between $15-40 a "dose".

one drug we could do without !

sooner or later, if it happens in the US, it tends to happen here too.
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