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Title: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: Chip on April 09, 2017, 05:29:55 PM
https://rehabreviews.com/fda-just-approved-ketamine-curb-depression/
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on April 16, 2017, 10:55:19 PM
i've looked into ketamine infusions for myself, there's a place in denver that does it.  that's an hour away & I'd need to show up multiple times a week at the beginning which i can't do.  This could be the ticket, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on November 01, 2018, 08:53:06 AM
i mentioned ketamine infusions elsewhere on here.  i recently learned my psych is doing it so i asked him about it today.  he thinks i'm the perfect candidate, bipolar,etc.  cool thing is he does it the less popular way, an im all at once instead of a slow drip.  says it's shown to work better but people can be more shaken by the experience.  day before thanksgiving is my first, will take an hour and a half & need a ride home.  he says former/current addicts are the least likely to find the experience enjoyable.  he's done it over 300 times & said the guy who liked i best was a devout morman who'd never had one intoxicant.  "i loved it", go figure.

i also brought up the fact that i ordered shroom spores to try microdosing.  he was all for it but wants me to wait until after the ket infusions so i can evaluate each separately.  he said it's very effective for ocd (not me, you should see my apartment) less so for depression/anxiety/bipolar but still many report good results.  says .10-.15 gram 4 or 5 times a week is the norm.

i'll definitely keep you guys informed with what i find, i'm super optimistic.
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on November 16, 2018, 11:10:49 PM
interesting ted talk on one of the studies that helped bring this about.  it's likened to a "vaccine" against the stressors that bring about or exacerbate depression & ptsd.




5 days until i find out what it's all about!
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on November 21, 2018, 07:55:42 AM
crickets around this place lately... 

 tomorrow 7:30 am which seems a bit early for an out of body experience.  expect a full report.  i'm off work until monday, 5 days, maybe they'll be great for a change.  usually my days off suck worse than work since i'm left alone with myself & negative thoughts.

Post Merged: November 22, 2018, 04:32:48 AM
Well, shit.  My laptop just went black, only have a phone now.  I'll get back to this when i can, was interesting to say the least.

Post Merged: November 22, 2018, 11:38:34 PM
Doc took my weight to calculate dosage, said something like  .8, thinking thats maybe .8mg/kg.  Said that was a large dose since i'm experienced with these things & wasn't apprehensive about it at all.  Afterward he said next time he'll give me the largest possible dose & i'll for sure experience full ego dissolution/death.  Felt somewhat close this time, was definitely out of my body for a while. 

He had me lie on the couch with a blanket & eyeshades, said not to take them off, if i did the room would be spinning & such.  He played some soft tranc-ey music that went well with the experience.  It lasted about 45 minutes or an hour, was a bit dizzy & unsteady for an hour afterward.  There wasn't any real 'halucinations" like with a real psychadelic, maybe if i'd have opened my eyes.  It felt like a lower dose of shrooms where the "halucinations" are all in the realm of thought, mixed up signals & strange trains of thought.  There wasn't any edginess like with lsd, ket has an overall calming effect.  I enjoyed the experience & am looking forward to the next one. 

I feel good today, nothing earthshattering but he said don't expect to feel amazing, many people are dissapointed that they dont get a big shot of joy like they were expecting.  Shrink said instead pay attention to what you start DOING that you couldn't before - exercise, socializing, working toward goals.  Stuff that should be enjoyable becomes enjoyable again. 

I do feel something of a "lightness" today, like weight off my shoulders and i do really feel like "doing stuff", working on a project or getting out of the apartment.   Glad i did this
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: Chip on November 23, 2018, 09:05:51 PM
I was shooting about 120 mg @70 kg body weight so that's a good dose.

IV/IM/oral ?

Dam😏, i always felt good about feeling good about 'dat !!! (DJ Pete MacNamara - God of the dance floor, MLB, AUS ... timeframe UNK)
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on November 24, 2018, 04:06:05 AM
it was an im shot.i weigh 65kg, he must have been talking about 80 mg.  now i recall him saying 100 for next dose so that's probably it.  doc instructed me not to take off my eye shades because the room would spin & i could get motion sickness.  did you not get that effect?  i know there was now way i could dance an hour after when i was coming out of it.
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Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: Chip on November 24, 2018, 10:04:02 AM
Always. The trick is to not move your head for 20 minutes (IV, so maybe 30 IM) and that way = no motion sickness.
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on November 25, 2018, 06:55:53 AM
today is saturday, took the ket wednesday.  these last 3 days have been pretty incredible for me.  i looked forward to feeling really awesome great, on top of the world, able to conquer any difficulties.  i only know about feeling good in some state of mania so that's what i was expecting.  what i woke up to the next day was very different.  a quiet state of calmness i've not felt in years.   i went to thanksgiving dinner at my folks, always a big to -do with tons of family, friends, neighbors.  usually i hate this shit, i'm a welder who's lost 3 jobs in 3 years, everyone is talking about investments & retirement plans.  this time i was back to my old self like 20 years ago, had much to add to the convo & was playfully antagonistic to the materialism of it all without actually offending anyone.  my dad called me the next day to say he's not seen me been so engaged with others in __ years. 

i'm almost in tears typing this, i've felt the same for the last 3 days.  i wake up with a feeling that the world is good and that i have something worthwhile to offer.  i can concentrate.  this morning i spent 2 hours reading kierkegaard, it's been 10-15 years since i could concentrate/focus on stuff like that
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: Fluffhead on November 26, 2018, 12:14:07 AM
There’s a place in Virginia they are using it. My buddy tried it. This particular place wasn’t a good vibe. Surprisingly easy to get into and insurance will not help. Cost him close to 2grand for one session. He said he was a little too high and they tried to come in and talk to him about sad shit etc. Sounds interesting, this was over FB though so he said he would tell me the details in person. But essentially he said, he’d preffer to buy it off the Deep Web for a fraction of the cost
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on November 27, 2018, 08:50:30 AM
today was my first day back to work.  i had much to do that usually stresses me out.  today i had super self confidence, no worries at all.  i feel like the old moe 20 years ago is back again!
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: Chip on November 27, 2018, 11:14:21 AM
Bloody Ket. Junkies .... good on ya, Moe.

Ya coulda saved a bundle and popped into some groovy nightclub and scored there ...

I jest but that's what i used to do about 6 years ago, anyway as it's either not around or i'm just not "hooked up" these days :)

I'd be dancing around the club like an idiot, find some Ket., go home and shoot it then back to the club to for the last few 'bumps' (snort it off the end of a key) !


Post Merged: November 27, 2018, 07:00:55 PM

Hey @MoeMentim (see if this is what you hoped):

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https://soundcloud.com/cosmic-0-seeker/sweet-euphoria-psychedelic-ambient-downtempo-deep-trance-idm-music-mix
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: bignasty on November 28, 2018, 12:14:33 AM
That's great man! I'm glad to hear it's working for you so far. Sounds awesome and hope it helps more people and the word gets out more so folks know about this treatment option. Very promising to hear. Can't wait to try it but hope I can find it online instead of paying out the ass at a clinic.
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on November 29, 2018, 01:54:40 AM
had my second round today, was more intense but again very pleasant.  definitely lost the sense of self for a while.  Still feeling the same, really good & calm at the same time which as i said before is not normal for me at all.  i had a little downturn on sunday but was very mild & i always go downhill on sundays.  my next normal appointment is in a month.  i hope these treatments work for a good while, it can vary a lot between individuals.  i really can't afford to do this once a month like some do, but if i keep feeling like this i will find a way if i have to.  worth it, regardless.

Post Merged: November 29, 2018, 02:56:03 AM
terrance mckenna (psychonaught extrordinaire & my favorite authority on the subject) talk about the ket experience.  i find it mostly accurate except for one thing - he speaks of insights had during the experience that cannot be brought back upon re-awakening.  that sounds like an acid experience to me.  i can recall all of the experiences i had on ket but none offered any real "information" or insight beyond a general connection with the universe & sense of well being, being cared for.

Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: Chip on November 29, 2018, 07:47:43 AM
got a cat/dog ? take him/her to the vet and see what gives ... I jest (hang on, or do I ?)
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on December 04, 2018, 10:41:41 AM
still feeling really good, has been just 10 days, but it's be since before heroin that i've had ten good days in a row.  i did also feel good some when i was at the year round rehab farm, but that was because i had a lot of socialization & made friends.  psych says that's what i need most, maybe it'll get easier to be social now.  he says ket it a tool to help you do the real life stuff that helps your depression the most.  exercise, not eating junk food as an escape, etc...  he says don't expect it to be a happy pill & i get that, i just feel a lot more normal i guess.

i did get some unusual side effects the next morning but they passed quick.  i had smoken some pot so maybe an interaction. 

Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: bignasty on December 04, 2018, 10:02:30 PM
I'm happy for you @MoeMentim. I'm gonna have to try it out soon to see if it'll help me at least cut down on my 'done and/or kpin and/or cigarette usage.

What unusual side effects did you get?

Also, what's it feel like after the effects have worn off? A natural good feeling or just thinking clearer or an instant anti-depressant or what exactly if you can try to describe it? Have you been drinking since the shots of K?
Title: Re: Ketamine now approved by the FDA for depression
Post by: MoeMentim on December 08, 2018, 02:13:28 AM
the 2 main side effects i experienced was a very pronounced feeling of disconnection, like things weren't real, felt like living in a movie and involuntarily making sounds out loud.  like TOTALLY involuntary, it was startling, i was speaking with no intention whatsoever & it was mostly all noises & meaningless mumbo jumbo with a few words thrown in here and there.  it was a bit scary until i got ahold of my shrink & he reassured me.  it very well may have been more to do with not taking lamictal 2 days prior to ket injection (keeps ket from working).  i was supposed to take it immediately upon returning home & I'm pretty sure i did but maybe i forgot.  that'd probably make more sense.  i'm pretty bad/careless with my psych meds.

the way it felt after the dose wore off wasn't striking in any way, i guess i'd say i didn't feel good or bad, maybe some of the dissacociative effects linger on for a while, i kinda didn't have thoughts one way or another about life.  the next day when i woke up though...  VERY different, yes, a naturally good feeling is exactly how i'd describe it, not like taking an antidepressant.  it doesn't hit the depression with a hammer, it just sort of slides it off to the side & you feel like yourself again.  no shit.  i admire so much who i was before heroin & the 6 years of depression afterward that destroyed my life.  i literally feel like i'm getting the old erik back.  i AM going to build the life i want. i'm totally capable, my motivation and confidence are coming back & my obstacles appear surmountable.  really, it's like that.  fucking amazing.  every day gets better as i start doing stuff like cleaning the apartment again, walking the dog, going grocery shopping & cooking dinner.  going to sisters or parents for dinner when invited instead of making some excuse.  my performance at work is way up, i'm shocked at how i was just getting by doing not much more than what was required of me.  i've always been a workaholic and always excelled.  i'm updating my resume & even though i love my job i'm going to look for more money & a place more career oriented with benefits & such.

all that stuff was beyond impossible for me.  for real, walking the dog was the one thing i absolutely forced myself to do for his sake, but i did skip it a lot too.  this stuff is for real.

i again decided not to refill the antibuse due to price, so i have been drinking but get this, it's only been weekend evenings & not that much, a sixer of strong beer & that's it, no whiskey, no walking to the liquor store in a blackout, no going to the liquor store at 9am saturday & sunday morning.  has been a non-issue to not drink weeknights & really the only reason i do really is because i've been hanging out with my hard partying 23 year old neighbors, they're fun. I'm 46 & they think i'm super cool having grown up in the real punk scene back then.  they may get me some coke tonight, i'm just not sure if i want to right now or not, i should wait a ahile, not really jonseing for a rush or anything, it's just 'cause it's available
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