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Title: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 05, 2015, 02:28:35 AM
Hopefully some people will get some use from this

I crushed half a 100mg mallinckrodt mscontin
used harmonik's spoon crisp
 and heated it until it turned off-white/yellow

I then shocked it with 2mL nearly saturated solution of baking soda
following this I agitated it with a straight razor until the solids were totally dissolved
agitated again for another few minutes with the razor
then began to slowly heat the spoon containing the solution

After roughly less than a minute of direct heat
it produced a film that floats on top
It all solidifed into a gooey, white, bitter substance

Spreading it out on foil or wax paper helps dry it a bit
but it is ready to be vaporized as it comes out the spoon


Those of you who have cooked your own rock might say
no shit ya doodoo head this is how free base is born
but I could not find ONE single source for this on any other drug forum
so, have at it
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: NZniceguy on October 05, 2015, 07:42:30 AM
That's very similar to how we do them over here.....but we dont crisp them first. We only get two brands of Morph here though. M-eslon (which we use the "pegging" method.......and Activas LA-Morph, which we use the baking soda method.
Get yourself some Acetic Anhydride man and give it a 15 minute cook in the oven on 150 degrees Celsius and try some homemade heroin mate!

If you need any more info, just hit me up. I know i'm going to have to describe both processes soon anyway seen as the old thread is gone.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Opus on October 06, 2015, 06:14:10 AM
Just my $.02, but pulling the M away from the rest of the crap before you vap that stuff would be... wise. Morphine is soluble in lots of stuff, I had great success with isopropyl and the HCL on I think it was the ABGs; but iso didn't work on another brand I tried. I had thought at the time maybe acetone might do it, but I never tried it.

Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 06, 2015, 08:10:23 AM
Just my $.02, but pulling the M away from the rest of the crap before you vap that stuff would be... wise. Morphine is soluble in lots of stuff, I had great success with isopropyl and the HCL on I think it was the ABGs; but iso didn't work on another brand I tried. I had thought at the time maybe acetone might do it, but I never tried it.

Since I was only doing 50mg
and even was a bit... clumsy (careless) so a bit was lost
even still this is the next step (isopropyl)

I can also get those monstrous fucking E 658 pills
 but I can imagine those would be better than mallinckrodts

Also there isnt shit online about an iso extract of MSContin
WASSUP WITH THAT?!?
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Opus on October 06, 2015, 08:50:52 AM
There was until opi went down.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: theSWPK on October 06, 2015, 09:55:40 AM
Ive been wanting to try my hand at homeback for many years now. I have access to a ton of 15MG Watson (abg) morphine, as well as an easy to access source of AA.
Which route would be the easiest for a novice to isolate (well, isolated enough for homebake) and freebase?

With the ABG's, could I remove the coatings and crush finely, then do a 91% isopropanol extraction to isolate morphine hcl then use baking soda to base it out? As for the isopropyl alcohol at 91% I could use Epsom salt to get it as close as anhydrous as possible, or just go get 99% isopropyl alcohol in the next town over.

I just want to get rid of as much of the gel in the ABG'S as possible because it would be really difficult to source chalky white morphine IR's in an oxym centric userbase.

In short - what's the best way to clean up Watson ABG morphines for freebase to H conversion?

Advice?
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: theSWPK on October 07, 2015, 04:17:46 AM
? ;D
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Opus on October 08, 2015, 12:48:57 AM
With way I was doing the purple 30s (I think those were ABG?) for awhile, you actually wanted water in the iso, without any water the M wouldn't come out.

The trick was to add a little HCl to the pill mass in 10-20ml %70 isopropyl and let it soak, then draw off the liquid and evap down to just a couple ml, and at that point I was adding sodium carbonate to base the M, and then continue evaporating to dryness (carefully!) under heat. At that point, you should have clean & dry morphine base. That worked really well on the purple 30s, then I started getting these weird green pills and they'd gel in the iso. Again I considered trying acetone, but never got around to it.

The basic premise was that the gel mechanism didn't work in the iso, so it was a lot like just doing a hot water pull and then evaporating the liquid off with a little carbonate at the end.

added: the HCl salt isn't very soluble in iso, so if you do this make sure there's enough water in there for the amount of M you're working with, should be ~1ml per 60mg.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 08, 2015, 06:44:22 AM
With way I was doing the purple 30s (I think those were ABG?) for awhile, you actually wanted water in the iso, without any water the M wouldn't come out.

The trick was to add a little HCl to the pill mass in 10-20ml %70 isopropyl and let it soak, then draw off the liquid and evap down to just a couple ml, and at that point I was adding sodium carbonate to base the M, and then continue evaporating to dryness (carefully!) under heat. At that point, you should have clean & dry morphine base. That worked really well on the purple 30s, then I started getting these weird green pills and they'd gel in the iso. Again I considered trying acetone, but never got around to it.

The basic premise was that the gel mechanism didn't work in the iso, so it was a lot like just doing a hot water pull and then evaporating the liquid off with a little carbonate at the end.

added: the HCl salt isn't very soluble in iso, so if you do this make sure there's enough water in there for the amount of M you're working with, should be ~1ml per 60mg.

I have read that ISO is only effective for ABGs (Watsons)
And that its not recommended for Mallinckrodts or Endos

I haven't tried it with either, although I have access to both
somebody should fund this experiment
in the name of science
and getting really really really faded
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Thoms on October 08, 2015, 02:20:58 PM
I dk if i missed the point but those purple ones are abg 30s and i forget what the green are but to get it into a shot you just have to boil the water and quickly throw in the powder and draw. Heating after the pill is in the water makes it worse. I havent seen the filtered liquid gel again but it hasnt sat around for more that 5 er ten minutes. Good luck. Whats the ba of smoked morphine and wth would you want to do that. Not to be condescending.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: theSWPK on October 08, 2015, 08:55:20 PM
I dk if i missed the point but those purple ones are abg 30s and i forget what the green are but to get it into a shot you just have to boil the water and quickly throw in the powder and draw. Heating after the pill is in the water makes it worse. I havent seen the filtered liquid gel again but it hasnt sat around for more that 5 er ten minutes. Good luck. Whats the ba of smoked morphine and wth would you want to do that. Not to be condescending.

You need freebase morphine, not morphine sulfate, to use to make heroin with acetyl anhydride.
Nobody's smoking morphine.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 08, 2015, 11:42:12 PM
I dk if i missed the point but those purple ones are abg 30s and i forget what the green are but to get it into a shot you just have to boil the water and quickly throw in the powder and draw. Heating after the pill is in the water makes it worse. I havent seen the filtered liquid gel again but it hasnt sat around for more that 5 er ten minutes. Good luck. Whats the ba of smoked morphine and wth would you want to do that. Not to be condescending.

cause im bored
and it would be VERY convenient to have something to put in a vaporizer pen
i have a nice coil system one on the way so i will let you know

you guys are a buncha fuckin squares
WHERE'S YOUR PIONEER SPIRIT!?

Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Opus on October 08, 2015, 11:57:25 PM
The point is separating the M from the rest of the crap in those pills, of which there is a shit ton, especially in the smaller doses. Trying to homebake 30s works, but the shots are nasty and jet black and leave a ton of crap in the spoon. If you clean the pills first, it's an entirely different hit.

I forgot (it's been awhile) about the wax part, which may or may not matter depending on what you're doing. If you want REALLY clean shit, you can do the first extraction with %100 iso and no hcl, and all you'll bring over is straight up wax, I swear you could make a very pretty little red candle with the shit. You can easily find %100 iso in auto parts stores as a fuel additive for drying gasoline, it's like Heat brand in the US, but in the red bottle NOT the yellow bottle, that's methanol. It's really easy to just do 1 pull with the %100, and then do the extraction like I described above and you'll get crunchy brown yummy Morphine in your drying vessel.

You actually can acetylate Morphine HCl, but most pills are M. Sulphate, for whatever that's worth..
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Thoms on October 09, 2015, 01:57:41 AM
I figured i was missing a bit. Fair enough:)
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: theSWPK on October 09, 2015, 02:00:05 AM
You can only get up to 99% iso.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Opus on October 09, 2015, 02:11:06 AM
How do you know the purity of my iso? ;)

Use the purest you have, ya it's probably gonna be %99.xx, which should work fine. If you're concerned, dry it. The stuff I buy for drying petrol works well for pulling the wax out of those pills.

There are always losses in chemistry, the trick is to minimize them as best you can (if it matters).
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: NZniceguy on October 17, 2015, 09:38:10 AM
I have some Actavis purple 30's that I need to prepare for iv (after a.a.)......our baking soda method works but you end up with a dark, gluggy horible shot (like you mentioned Opus).

I'm thinking that an extract with some approx 70% iso might be the trick. I've got about 240mgs of M. How much iso do you recommend Opus? I can only get 50 or 100 ml bottles as its closely watched over here.

So I crush the pill matter then add the iso with a couple drops of HCL and extract through a filter of some sort............then reduce the iso to make sure the M is concentrated enough to base out.....say about 20mls of iso left at this stage. Then base it out......would it be quicker to just filter the result through a coffee filter at this stage or you think I should just evaporate down?     I would expect a white powder at this point if filtered....why do you say brown Opus? Is that just because you evapped down or ?

Will be trying this in a few hours so will let you know how I get on. Please Opus and anyone else who can offer suggestions, let me know your thoughts.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: radioactive_man on October 17, 2015, 04:24:24 PM
Asshole, UTMFSE!

This topic has been covered a million times on here.

Oh wait...

Carry on.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Opus on October 17, 2015, 08:46:16 PM
With %70 iso, you should be able to hold 30mg per ML, so 240/30 = 8ML of ISO should hold 240mg M. If that math is bad, blame it on ridiculous lack of sleep.

It turns brown when I flame dry it under a broiler in a big ol' spoon. I've heard raw M is also brown, IDK what color it would be if you re-crystallized it, I haven't tried.

Once you get the iso away from the pill mass, no need to filter it, there's dope in there! Evap it down to dryness..

There will be some wax that comes over, but it's not water soluble so if you're gonna boot the M, no worries. You can still acetylate the M in there and it will be a little messy, but nowhere near as bad as trying to double the raw (30mg) pill mass.

If you can separate the ISO from the water, it's worth doing the first pull with very dry (>99%) alcohol to get that wax out, but I'm not gonna go into how to do that here..

'luck!

edit: It's 5:45 and I've only slept a couple hours, I can't tell if that math is ok, I'll look at it again later. 1ml of water will hold 60mg M, that much I know.

thinking a little more, I think about 13ml %70 iso for 240mg M. I'll write it out later..
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Opus on October 18, 2015, 12:14:35 AM
1ml of %70 ISO (.3ml of h2o) will hold about 18mg M, so
240/18 = 13.33ml alcohol for 240mg Morphine.

It's a bit to evaporate, the BP of the azeotrope is about 80C tho, with a little practice under a broiler it can be done fairly quickly, just be careful to not burn it.

It just occurred to me that if you can't get dry iso to get the wax out on the first pull, that water (distilled) would work to separate the M from the wax after you dry the alcohol off. It'd probably add another hour to the process..

Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Chip on October 20, 2015, 02:25:09 PM
FYI, i saw the magic number - 240 ... which reminds me:

did you know that at 240 mg with Morphine, all your Mu receptors are fully occupied (?) and you can not feel any more stoned and you may well die trying.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Riddick on October 20, 2015, 02:42:16 PM
FYI, i saw the magic number - 240 ... which reminds me:

did you know that at 240 mg with Morphine, all your Mu receptors are fully occupied (?) and you can not feel any more stoned and you may well die trying.
No jokes thats a pretty awesome fact I now got locked. Thanks.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: 40mgtofreedom on October 20, 2015, 05:58:36 PM
you can get the water out of iso by using epson salts in a pan on the stove which is inCREDIBLeY fucking dangerous and easy as hell to catch the iso on fire
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Chip on October 20, 2015, 06:02:14 PM
I bought a gallon of ISO and it caught alight.

I freaked out and burnt my hand whilst taking it outside.

I was extracting THC from plants ... I shouldn't have used a gas oven to evap.

good advice, 40. I still have the scar.
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 20, 2015, 08:05:09 PM
FYI, i saw the magic number - 240 ... which reminds me:

did you know that at 240 mg with Morphine, all your Mu receptors are fully occupied (?) and you can not feel any more stoned and you may well die trying.

Sources, please!
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Opus on October 20, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
you can get the water out of iso by using epson salts in a pan on the stove which is inCREDIBLeY fucking dangerous and easy as hell to catch the iso on fire

Heat isn't required for this at all, and it works with lots of metallic salts like table salt & lye. I'm pretty sure it only works for isopropyl and not other alcohols.

I think there might be a residual effect on the alcohol tho, I'm not %100 sure, might depend on the salt used. I believe mixing like say lye and methanol creates (sodium) methoxide, so I'm not sure why mixing lye and iso wouldn't also create by-products, but wtf do I know..
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: Chip on October 20, 2015, 08:38:28 PM
deep in this site there is a study on tolerance in the Tolerance board.

got it from there. heavy reading but all things tolly are an important thing to know .
Title: Re: Morphine Freebase from MSContin
Post by: theSWPK on October 23, 2015, 01:27:08 AM
you can get the water out of iso by using epson salts in a pan on the stove which is inCREDIBLeY fucking dangerous and easy as hell to catch the iso on fire

Heat isn't required for this at all, and it works with lots of metallic salts like table salt & lye. I'm pretty sure it only works for isopropyl and not other alcohols.

I think there might be a residual effect on the alcohol tho, I'm not %100 sure, might depend on the salt used. I believe mixing like say lye and methanol creates (sodium) methoxide, so I'm not sure why mixing lye and iso wouldn't also create by-products, but wtf do I know..


You can salt out ethanol as well. I read of some students salting Everclear (commercial available 95% by volume grain alcohol) just for kicks. After a certain point of removing the water it becomes useless due to the water from the atmosphere going right back in shortly thereafter.
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