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Core Topics => Substance Usage, Management, User Experiences etc. => Topic started by: Chip on July 06, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
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... and is it quasi-legal or what ?
I have heard much about it but am totally ignorant.
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Quasi-legal??? Well, that depends what yer buying :-)
I have not used it, but I did quite a bit of research on it recently. I wanted to try ECP, as I've never even seen it.
So, keep in mind I'm not at all computer savvy. I downloaded TOR, looked into buying bitcoins, got a wallet, got PGP.... and I think I woulda been okay, but ya know that saying about a little bit of knowledge. being a dangerous thing? Well, I wasn't really absolutely 100% sure I was doing it all safely, so I decided against it... Plus, its so easy to score where I live, I just didn't see the point, myself.
Id also add that I would've only ordered domestically. Packages that go across borders receive a whole helluva lot more scrutiny than domestic parcels.
But as I said, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Id love to hear from some other people, though...
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thanks Guey, as the webmaster who uses the internet to run the site, i cannot attempt it myself as it may jeopardise my credibility re. solicitation, for one.
... but yeah, i'll still do the IRL method ::) 8)
... and would love to hear more user experiences, too.
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It's legal as long as what you're buying is legal. Everything is sold, from books to guns.
If I could score easily locally I would, but honestly, its now way too easy to get very high quality drugs at a more than reasonable price delivered to my mailbox overnight.
Nevermind the fact that I have the opportunity to 'research' all the drugs I've heard of and wanted to try but have never even seen, things like opium, oxymorphone, moroccan hash, etc etc.
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It's legal as long as what you're buying is legal. Everything is sold, from books to guns ... <snip>
aha - there's my problem, right there :( :-\
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I seriously looked into Darkweb vendors about two years ago. I was reading all those stories on that other board. I downloaded TOR, created an account on SR (prior to it being taken down) and loved looking at all the ads and yummy pics. I was drooling. I would have ordered, but I found Bitcoins to be too intimidating for my very limited computer skills.
The easiest way used to be BitInstant IMO. Unfortunately, that was shut down a few weeks before I contemplated ordering. There are IRC rooms where you can buy Bitcoins, but I would have a hard time trusting some of those people. You can also buy Bitcoins locally using a website. It basically lets you search for people in your area that have Bitcoins they want to sell, then you agree on a price and arrange a place to meet, and you do it that way. If you live in Canada or Europe, or maybe even some other places, there are even ATM-like machines where you can buy Bitcoins easily. That's not available in the US to my knowledge.
If anyone's considering doing this, I wouldn't use SR 3.0 or whatever it's called. At least not since I last heard (six months ago). They've been infiltrated / taken down by the gov. Their admins stole account members Bitcoins. They've just had a lot of problems. I wouldn't trust buying there, even if it's still up and running. There are other Darkweb markets one could use.
Other than more esoteric drugs, the only thing I'd want to order would be high-quality fishscale, some Opana / Oxymorphone pills, and maybe some Ecstasy. I've not rolled in 13 years, so that might be fun to relive.
If you just want benzos, Special K, certain opiates, or some other pharms, I'd suggest using an IOP (International Online Pharmacy). There are some good ones out there. There's also a forum called ioplist.com where people rank and discuss different vendors and IOPs. If you join, be prepared b/c they can be odd, and they have some quirky rules (new members can't post more than 5 posts per day, etc.).
I last ordered from an IOP at the end of 2013. I got vials of Special K, Valium, Xanax, Clonotril (Indian banana-flavored Klonopin), and Phenobarbital. They all were legit and worked. The Special K was great, as were the benzos. The only thing I wouldn't order again was the Phenobarb. They worked, but just weren't my cup of tea. If I were to order again, I'd get more Special K, and some rarer benzos like Dormicum (midazolam), Halcion (triazolam), and some Restoril (temazepam).
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Banana flavored K-pins??? Yummy! ha-ha
About the bitcoin atms- when I was researching recently, I saw that there were a few in my city. About half a dozen, if I remember correctly...
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Bitcoin ATMs -- Awesome!
Banana-flavored K-pins -- Yeah, they tasted delish. They came in either .5mg or 2mg. I got the 2mg. They were also dispersible / dissolving. Under the tongue worked great ;-)
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Nah, the prices of the darkweb just don't make sense to me......
Why do hard drugs if you aren't gonna risk getting locked up? It seems like an easy statement, but just think about it........
The reason I got into hard drugs was for the WHOLE experience, cold copping on the corner, getting served by D Boys, surveying America's forgotten neighborhoods and indexing it's industrial past, the abandonment of proletariat communities etc.
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_Enduser after what happened last week you're like a poster child for the advantages of the dark net (btw its deep web, or dark net, not dark web, n00bs ;) ) You should do an op-ed.
Anyone who is looking into this and has questions, the best resource I can recommend is the reddit subforum Dark Net Markets Noobs:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarketsNoobs
There is a huge amount of collective knowledge and things have changed somewhat over the last year or so after the fall of the original SR. That sub is the best place I know of to find the most relevant info, where you will be treated with patience even when you ask dumb questions. Lots of simple stickies and tutorials there as well.
One specific thing to keep in mind: the avoidance of prosecution from buying illegal drugs this way is basically down to a numbers game, kind of like buying on the street in the Tenderloin: too many people and too little reward to bother going after users for the most part, although it DOES happen, the percentages compared to the total number of users is miniscule. And just like how you never go cop in the TL on Tuesday afternoons (or whatever), and you try to only buy from familiar faces there, and you keep an eye out for the jump out boys' white SUV....there are little ways you can lower your chances of trouble from the dark net even further.
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Apart from downloading the TOR software, "no not really".
However did do some very interesting reading on it in TIME magazine. That's where I first heard about it.
He's a link to the article which may shed some light on what it's all about.
http://time.com/630/the-secret-web-where-drugs-porn-and-murder-live-online/
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Thank You HEAPS for that Time article - it answered many of the questions i had about the concepts involved.here
But as a lifelong IT guy, i do not believe in anonymity and even the tightest systems are only as good as their weakest, usually a human, link.
bitcoins are illegal if there isn't an acessable paper-trail.
all those new "hidden" sites may flourish --- until one idiot throws a spanner in the works.
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i suggest that we discuss as little as possible the trade on Darkweb.
can't be too careful.
there is no true anonymity if you keep online.
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TOR isn't anonymous, most government s have control over both entry and exit nodes. Explaining it simply, they can use this along with other information to find out your location. Australia is particularly good at this, they've had arrests just by looking at who in their country is using TOR and then watching your mail. Your ISP can also see if your using TOR as well even if your using a proxy, as the traffic source will still be from TOR's protocols.
If you use it for dark market shopping, be really fucking careful and vigilant with your opsec.
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so no web crawlers or indexing systems access the Darkweb ?
Surely it's only a matter of time that transactions will be exposed.
I personally don't want to deal with using the postal system and score via. that medium.
I'd rather do the deal in person, the old fashioned analog drug acquisition method is for me.
less paper trail.
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I ordered a few times way back when. What interested me most was getting drugs from different countries. My first order was from a Thai vendor, and it was good, but compared pretty evenly to the heroin I got from my guy and cost more money.
In fact, that was my general experience there with heroin. Cocaine was something else, but there was a lot of scamming. Bait and switch, where you would order a tester and it was fire. Order a larger amount and it was crap.
I guess if you lived in a place with no drugs it makes sense, or if you want to order more difficult to source items like fentanyl powder.
Bitcoins are pseudonymous. The blockchain is an eternal record of them, but who did what with which ones? No way to know.
The tor version of Google is the hidden wiki. Apparently there is also a search engine now called grams I think. Deepdotweb is a great news site to find out more info at,as well as Reddit.
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Grams works pretty well but is slow as hell.
The hidden wiki keeps getting phishing sites put on to it, and is one of the ways people keep getting their bitcoin's stolen. Deepdotweb, I second Z on that. It's a great place to find links.
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I used to use DNMs pretty extensively but haven't ordered anything in quite a while. I mostly used them to order really good pure mdma and some other stuff I had a hard time sourcing around my area. I did try dope off it once and it was damn good but the price just wasn't worth it and dope isn't something I can tolerate waiting for. Always tumble your bitcoins before sending them to any DNM!
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I bought weapons. No hassle, fair prices, excellent quality merchandise. My only concern is if they were previously involved in crimes. My vendor assured me they weren't.
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I bought weapons. No hassle, fair prices, excellent quality merchandise. My only concern is if they were previously involved in crimes. My vendor assured me they weren't.
Sounds like a very dangerous game.
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be careful what you admit to.
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be careful what you admit to.
Good advice, which is why I never indicated what kind of weapons they were.
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Now and then I will , I have a pal who's big into psychedelics' and uses the same vendors fairly often. I've made opiate purchases a few times with nothing but success. Its not legal to buy or receive drugs in the USA at all. So if ya do just attempt to insulate yourself as much as possible ,plenty of FAQs out about being as safe ad possible on the deep , dark web.
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Some of the Marijuana vendors have been around since the original silk road, much better bud than can be had here regularly for half the price, it's about the only reasonably priced thing on he DNMs, psychedelics being another.
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Has anyone ordered anything recently? I want to order some mdma but i'm scared to pull the trigger on it. also do you think I need vpn as well?
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I know very little about everything involved with that whole setup, so I've just been watching and reading about it from time to time.
Most of the input (from Ophile) was positive, about how SR's escrow system worked, and actually obtaining what was ordered, even odd & hard to find chemicals.
While I am sure there are many legit reasons for having & using TOR, it also seemed like having TOR might be like waving a big red flag to any LE groups, while yelling:
"HEY!! I might be doing naughty things here! You might wanna take a closer look at my activities!!!"
Besides that, I'm not tech savvy enough to understand how Bitcoin, TOR, etc... worked. I'd just muck it up and end-up having all my currency stolen, while being sloppy enough on any trading to get arrested.
It seems like each site has a finite life span before its shut down, or one member of the site goes rogue and steals as much as he can--including INFORMATION about all transactions. Could be a golden ticket for them to stay out of prison, or used to extort members.
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everything you need to know about darknet markets can be found at reddit.com/r/darknetmarkets
edit: also someone mentioned https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarketsNoobs which is a GREAT noobie resource
how to set up your OS,
how to connect to TOR
how to do PGP
what markets addresses are in onion URLs
multi sig escrow
you have no business making a purchase on a DNM unless you understand and USE pgp, tor and encryption
everything you need to learn is on the right hand side of that link
that subreddit is a great place to see reviews and keep your finger on the pulse of DNMs
beware because scams happen, you need to pay attention! also watch out for disinfo shills.
Following that subreddit has kept me abreast of all the pressed xanax pills (real) that are flowing thru our fine country right now :D
many pictures of bags of THOUSANDS of bars, different presses, content of alprazolam etc, vendors competing for lowest price highest quality xanax bars.
also a SOLID place to buy quality lsd
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TOR isn't anonymous, most government s have control over both entry and exit nodes. Explaining it simply, they can use this along with other information to find out your location. Australia is particularly good at this, they've had arrests just by looking at who in their country is using TOR and then watching your mail. Your ISP can also see if your using TOR as well even if your using a proxy, as the traffic source will still be from TOR's protocols.
If you use it for dark market shopping, be really fucking careful and vigilant with your opsec.
TOR is a US govermnent service. its not that easy to find your location, its designed not to be, in fact its impossible if not near impossible you would have to have control of over 70percent of exit nodes in order to narrow it down to some kind of reasonable search area. an easy way to keep an isp from seing your tor traffic is to simply use a VPN and connect to tor thru the vpn, that way your traffic is encrypted from start to end AND anonymous as well. combining that with using a tails in VM with PGP is incredibly safe.
But yes of all the places australia is the highest risk, but the risk is much much lower for domestic (in country) orders no matter where you're at.
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Considering customs seized a fucking glass pipe and sent me a seizure notice etc I would be too scared to try and import anything actually illegal. Seriously, how the fuck is a glass pipe illegal?! Still so fucking pissed off about that.
But yeah, add to that that I have a fairly heavy criminal record (trafficking and armed robbery :P ) I just worry that I would have a little red dot next to my name if something were to come from Amsterdam ::)
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whilst I know nothing about all this, I still advise against it - as it's the publishing of your name and address that is unwise, especially since you know that it is not legal.
I strongly encourage you to find what you want through your personal network of friends.
mind you, I am speaking as an Australian resident here - things might be less concerning elsewhere.
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If you're thinking about ordering, right now is the best time of year due to the influx of packages. If you can get what you need sent in a standard business envelope, even better. Due to the sheer volume of standard envelopes, I've heard that drug dogs are only very rarely used to check them.
Also use USPS, it's the only carrier that requires a warrant to open packages/letters.
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Not hard to get a warrant when they can prove almost to a certainty what's inside the packages with high density xray.
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Ah, the shipping part of things. Now that I know about...
While it's true volume is up this time of year, any given day of the year is still fine, as far as the numbers game. If I was going to order or ship, I would use/prefer a small parcel as opposed to an envelope. I'm on my phone so I won't get all into it now, but it boils down to worrying about if your package accidentally breaks open. That would be my main concern.
And that's why I made the previous comment about ordering domestically. Ordering from another country invites a whole different level of scrutiny. I'm not saying to throw caution to the wind, but in reality, worrying about dogs and scanners and whatnot is bordering on paranoia. That's just how the USPS is...
On another note, I just saw an article about how the Reddit sub for this subject has been subpoenaed for names, info, etc. Sorry I can't post a link... Have youse guys heard about that???
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I've used the "darkweb" loads and loads and loads! Multiple markets, super safe email, various scams... Loads of crap!
Ask me anything about anything!
(Not saying I'll answer everything though!) ;)
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Having been involved in infosec for 15-16 years now, I have no problems with the technical aspects of using the 'darknet', encryption, or bitcoin, as 2 of 3 I use daily for other purposes anyways. I've bought and sold various items on the markets with no issues thus far. That said, I came across a compilation recently, by a journalist, cataloging most of the known arrests related to the darknet, and needless to say, it's got me reevaluating my OPSEC.
For anyone interested, this is the link to the database of arrests: http://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20arrests (http://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20arrests). So far, my darknet-related opsec is pristine. For anyone interested in dealing with the darknet markets safely, I would recommend taking a look at Proxygambit , and if you have the technical knowledge to do so, build one! I tunnel all Tor/darknet related traffic out over the proxygambit I built, to a public hotspot of a big brand store, about 2.5-3 miles away, so in the event my Tor connection is ever de-anonymized, it would lead back to a public hotspot that I'm nowhere near, and tracing the wireless signal back to my actual location would, at the least, be extremely difficult.
On a side note, you should keep all Tor and darknet related activities and files, confined to an encrypted partition or (disk)file, preferably one that has a second, deniably-hidden partition inside of it where the truly important files are kept, and store perhaps a base install of a hardly used copy of Tor inside the top partition that can be given up if necessary.
For those interested, Proxygambit (http://samy.pl/proxygambit/ (http://samy.pl/proxygambit/), is designed and open-sourced by everyone's favorite hardware hacker, Samy Kamkar :) )
Deniable encryption: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption)
Two of my preferred tools capable of implementing deniable-encryption: Veracrypt (http://veracrypt.codeplex.com/ (http://veracrypt.codeplex.com/)), LUKS/cryptsetup (https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/blob/master/README.md (https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/blob/master/README.md), https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/wikis/DMCrypt (https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/wikis/DMCrypt))
For those involved in potentially illegal activity, both online and offline (in real life), if you value your freedom then please read the following three presentations:
COMSEC: Beyond Encryption (http://grugq.github.io/presentations/COMSEC%20beyond%20encryption.pdf (http://grugq.github.io/presentations/COMSEC%20beyond%20encryption.pdf))
OPSEC For Hackers(or anyone really!): Because Jail is for wuftpd (http://grugq.github.io/presentations/Keynote_The_Grugq_-_OPSEC_for_Russians.pdf (http://grugq.github.io/presentations/Keynote_The_Grugq_-_OPSEC_for_Russians.pdf))
An Underground Education: Lessons in Counterintelligence from History’s Underworld (http://www.slideshare.net/grugq/underground-education-21151795 (http://www.slideshare.net/grugq/underground-education-21151795))
For further related reading: http://grugq.github.io/presentations/ (http://grugq.github.io/presentations/)
Stay safe everyone, and keep your OPSEC pristine and shiny.
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Dark net drug marketplaces begin to emulate organised street crime
go to http://forum.drugs-and-users.org/index.php/topic,2121
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I've taken a look at a few of the markets, just to see what all is out there and what not. I'd fuckin love to find a legit source for fentanyl patches. Haven't had them in so long, and I used to looooove them (even though the only time I ever OD'ed, it was on fent patches - but that's the game we play, ain't it).
Anyway, looking at the markets, and seeing what people have to offer, I figured I wouldn't ever use them to buy H, as I can drive 30 minutes to get some killer dope if I really wanted to. No, the only things I could see myself ordering would be like dilaudid, opana, or fent patches/fentora/actiq.
What I've noticed, across the board is this: Look at the seller's reviews, but completely ignore the positive feedback. I've never seen a single positive feedback on a vendor that looks real. It looks like thousands and thousands of shills ("GREAT QAULITY!! 100% A+++ VENDOR FAST DISCREET!!"). If you look at the neutral and negative feedback, that's where you'll get the real story. What's really disappointing is, looking for strictly pharms, every single vendor I looked up had 30-60 neutral and negative reviews, and every comment said either "Never received product, seller refuses to communicate or refund" or "Fake, pressed pills, taste like chalk".
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I've ordered lots online but as soon as I see they only take bitcoins to look for an easier source to go with.