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Title: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 09, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
So some background: I've been on methadone for about 3 years this time, mostly mmt, mostly over 100mg/day but I tapered down to 50mg this last year. About ten days ago I started shooting dope and skipping my doses, as I knew change was coming -- I'm moving out of state, and just sick of the side-effects, fuck MMT, I want back on suboxone.

So, last dose of MD was about a week ago, 25mg that I had to drink at the klinik when I get my doses. From that point, I've done about a gram a day up until yesterday when I'd planned to hop over to subs; so I wake up yesterday with no plans for a wake-up, and, I'm just not that sick, not sick enough for a suboxone switch it seems. All day I did no opiates until mid-evening, but had the random heavy yawns and tears, emotional rebounding, that overall major lethargy and achy shittiness. But, my digestive system isn't tripping too hard, usually I'd be shitting like crazy by this point? I'm not pukey -- in fact I'm sitting here drinking fucking coffee, how the hell am I tolerating coffee >12hrs from a tiny shot of black and 70mg roxi? That's all I did yesterday, and it really was a very small shot late in the evening. No RLS, none of the really bad symptoms, it's just like I'm about halfway dopesick, shit is weird.

Has to be the methadone, huh? Ten days isn't long enough? WTF? How long I gotta wait?!!? Fuck IDK if I should just take the sub but have something to fall back on, which is what I always do, I've pretty much had this transition down in the past (subs -> dope -> subs -> golden), just not from long-term md.

Ima cop today cos reasons, so it's gonna be another day or two before I can try again. Anyone else who's jumped from MD to subs had this problem? Like, I'm sick, but just not THAT sick, you know? WTF??
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Chip on August 09, 2016, 12:40:44 PM
I'd give it a month - it's taken me a year to get down to 12.5 and I know I am still a long way from home.

I started at 60 - it must be my long history on the drug that's making it so difficult and 3 years is a long time.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 09, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
I can't give it a month, I just don't have the time and the cost of the gear for that period is just unacceptable to me. I copped so I'm good for a couple days, get some work done and then try again. Next time, I'm just gonna wait about 12-16 hrs and then do what I've always done, which is take some bup -- no more than 4-6mg (this is my blocking threshold, which is different for everyone) -- and then wait ~20 minutes and fix some dope. Then wait until the next morning and take some more bup. Historically this has worked well for me, but I typically let myself get quite a bit sicker than I'm getting at this point, tho I am certainly ill; just not in absolute, desperate, ass-kicking wd.

I'll post back when I see how this goes. I knew 10 days isn't very long to get the MD out, but some people do hop over to bup from like 20-30mg after like 72hrs off anything, so from what I read it can be done, guess I'll find out.

Ugh.. Methadone is a fucking drag bro, I'll be stoked to get this bs behind me. I got no desire to get high --  can't say it doesn't feel good, I'm nice and high right now, but really no desire to chase this shit anymore, so I think once I get on subs I'll be quite happy with a little weed and an occasional beer or maybe a little mescaline, haha ;)
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Chip on August 09, 2016, 05:16:53 PM
I feel exactly the same as you, i just want to get rid of my dependency on any sort of opiate, which makes me realise that there is only so much fun to be had with them and now it's all gone.

I really hope that the younger members take note as they watch us struggle to sincerely lose this chain around our ankles.

I am SO damn sure that I won't get another habit after this one but i won't give up the phenethylamines, that's for sure.

I like your bup 'n' dope idea, it actually has a lot of merit and you are simply adding more agonist than antagonist ... i don't need to remind you to micro-dose at first so you don't get into an irreversible state of sickness BUT i will mention it because I don't want to have you suffer.

I was wondering what have you been doing for veins ? the fem. ?

 

Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: nikita70 on August 09, 2016, 05:41:06 PM

(...)
No RLS, none of the really bad symptoms, it's just like I'm about halfway dopesick, shit is weird.

Has to be the methadone, huh? Ten days isn't long enough? WTF? How long I gotta wait?!!? Fuck IDK if I should just take the sub but have something to fall back on, which is what I always do, I've pretty much had this transition down in the past (subs -> dope -> subs -> golden), just not from long-term md.

Ima cop today cos reasons, so it's gonna be another day or two before I can try again. Anyone else who's jumped from MD to subs had this problem? Like, I'm sick, but just not THAT sick, you know? WTF??

Contrary to appearances, this is not so easy to GET THAT SICK, as on the fucking 'done before, no matter how moronic/ridiculous does it sound in junkies' mouth.
It takes time and wants you to go through whole this drudgery and annoying dullness and paralysis of so called "mild withdrawals", "halfway withdrawals" etc.

I have jumped from 25mg to bupe (I mean Subutex, Heaven forbid Suboxone) within maybe even less than 24 hours, I believe, just because I couldn't bear this situation being unexplained and so vague anymore.
I wanted it start it and happen like right now and full blown, if it has to at all, instead of looking forward the unknown.

The long-lasting half life of methadone is what I always hate, I mean hate, I really did/do. I definitely prevail/prefer the natural, short acting opies, what hits you from the nod straight into a full blown w/d, than any other "retarded relatives"...

It is so annoying and bothersome even if you aren't going to make any transition or so. The desirable effects (like glow etc.) has been gone long time before, as those bothersome continues like forever. Sucks.   
 
 

Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: thetalkingasshole on August 09, 2016, 11:03:48 PM
Maybe you're immune!

 8)
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on August 10, 2016, 03:57:22 AM
So, I switched from MMT to suboxone about 5 weeks ago. I had been on MMT for 8 1/2 years, at one point up to 155mg a day but at 85mg for about 5 years. During the last year or so I did a long taper from 85 down to 30. I took my last dose of methadone on a Saturday morning, waited 5 days then did my sub induction on Thursday morning. I did take some oxy for the first 3 days but not a lot. Then for the last 48 hours nothing. Over those 2 days i felt like you described, sick(ish) but not half as sick as I'd expected. Almost no gi symptoms or rls, just general lethargy, yawns, etc. I told my doc that I didn't think I was sick enough to induct but she was sure I'd be fine. I mean it was 5 days since my last dose of methadone & I've never used bupe before this so didn't have any past experience to compare it to. Against my better judgment I decided to go ahead & do it. Worst 24 hours of my life. Within an hour (after 2 4mg subutex) I was in full on pwd. I've never felt anything so horrible. She also told me later that my ua from that day came back still positive for methadone. I really wish I would've went with my gut & waited at least another day or two.
I really hope that the transition goes smoothly for you. I can't emphasize enough that methadone is such a different beast compared to any other opiate I've ever used. It takes a long goddamned time to get out of your system. I also gained a lot of weight on MMT and I think that may have had something to do with it as well. They say that it sticks to your fat cells, so maybe it leeches out slower depending on how much body fat you have. Good luck!
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Chip on August 10, 2016, 07:41:41 AM
So, I switched from MMT to suboxone about 5 weeks ago. I had been on MMT for 8 1/2 years, at one point up to 155mg a day but at 85mg for about 5 years. During the last year or so I did a long taper from 85 down to 30. {snip}

that's the trick, right there ^^^
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Z on August 10, 2016, 08:51:23 AM
Wasn't there some protocol with microdosing for a few days before induction?  I think it helped with the pwd.  Sometimes I miss the wealth of info that opiophile had built up.

I wish I knew more about subs to help you out.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 10, 2016, 11:06:46 AM
that's the trick, right there ^^^

Apparently it wasn't enough tho as she went into pwd anyway.

@Dopeless Hopefiend - your experience is exactly why I always keep a short acting opi around when I transition, because pwd is a hellish experience but it can be tough to wait long enough, and sometimes it's hard to know when "long enough" is  -- even if it's "only" heroin or oxy you're trying to switch over from.

So how long did it take you to get over the PWD, how long has it been, and how do you feel now?

@Z - you mean microdosing bup while on md? I'm not sure how that would work, although in theory it's really not that different than what I do with the bup->dope->bup thing, which again has worked well for me in the past. Interesting idea tho, maybe really really really small, like well under a mg, doses leading up to the full switch might have the same effect as what I'm doing. Interesting idea..
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Chip on August 10, 2016, 11:23:51 AM
Apparently it wasn't enough tho as she went into pwd anyway.

True, i think her MD level (dose) was up at the time of transition, ie. she jumped far too early, she admits. I forgot about her hellish experience, for a moment there.

fair point ... negotiating MD is like  :blank: driving a large boat :blank:
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Griffin on August 10, 2016, 11:27:38 AM
When I c/t in jail last year from 280 mg of done, it took 5 days to start feeling kinda bad and 7 days to start going into legit w/d so maybe the little bit of dope left in your system plus what ever done is left is keeping enough receptors covered so that it isn't pure death. I was surprised that the jail detox wasn't worse, the length, and being in jail made it worse, but in jail knowing i couldn't get anything took away all the anxiety of knowing that I can stop w/d by getting high since I couldnt get anything.

However it wasn't as intense as a few of the times I quit from oxy it was just insanely long time of feeling horrible. Like I said thought you probably have enough done and left over dope that is keeping you from full shit'sville, it's insane how long that shit takes to get out of your system.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Anti-hero on August 10, 2016, 11:37:49 AM
Every once in awhile
You just get blessed with thst
Free pass
It's happened to me
More than once
Last time was
Jail
It's not science
Just a cosmic alignment of the planets
You have been blessed
Now go forth and multiply
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Z on August 10, 2016, 12:03:05 PM
Yeah, small as in a tenth of a mg small.  It's to acclimatize your receptors without taking enough to trigger pwd.

It was a popular thread, and a bunch of people had said that it worked like magic.  Maybe someone here can add an experience.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: nick on August 10, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
No advice-you've heard it all before anyway.So,I'll spare you,but what I will say is,much luck with it,man-I hope you get where you want to go as painlessly as possible.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on August 10, 2016, 06:08:33 PM
@Esoteric Anhydride honestly the intense pwd was over after 24 hours or so, then for another week or so I felt a bit...off. I don't know how else to explain it. I wasn't exactly sick but just didn't feel right at all. After that I pretty much evened out as far as withdrawal is concerned, but it's been a rough transition. I wish I would've gotten down lower on the MD, 30mg was too high to jump from. I know other people who've done it the exact same way as me & been just fine but that sure wasn't my experience. I've been on sub for 40 days and I'm still not sure it was a good choice for me. If I didn't have chronic pain issues I would likely feel differently, but unfortunately I do. My doctor was adamant that bupe provides pain control but I call bullshit on that. I think it does fuck all for pain. I also don't think it holds me nearly as long as methadone. When I was on MMT there were numerous times that I just forgot to take my dose one day & felt fine, with sub I wake up feeling like shit. That could be residual effects from methadone still, but I don't know.
I'm really glad to be out from under the clinic & all of the associated bullshit, but it's been a hell of a journey.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 10, 2016, 11:53:53 PM
@Dopeless Hopefiend : From what I've read, a standard sized dose of bup for pain is like .5mg -- very small, MUCH smaller than a maintenance dose. Bup is a really weird drug, IDK what you're dosing, but if you haven't tried getting by on like 2-4mg or less, you might do better on less (assuming you're taking more than that). But ya, I hear you on the pain issues, I have quite a bit too, and I have concerns over how I'll do on bup alone.

@Z : I think this might be a really good idea, from experience with other inductions, I think microdosing would work for me so I think Ima try it, I'm just not sure how it's gonna work being so saturated with 'done, but fuck it. Tomorrow I'll suck a tiny little crumb and then wait 20-30 minutes before my shot. Hopefully I don't blow a fuse before I can get some dope in behind the bup. I'm doing a fast xanax taper too off a fairly short & small dose bender, but still plenty to feel it these days, so this could get interesting. Depending on how things go, it might be two days before I can eat the first crumb, but I'll post back on how this works out.

@nick : thanks man, I appreciate it. 
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on August 11, 2016, 08:08:44 AM
Yeah, I've heard that about bupe too. I'm currently on 16mg a day split into 2 doses. Being used to taking full agonist opis it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea of less is more, but it seems to be the general consensus. 
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: dizzle on August 11, 2016, 11:19:38 AM
everybody gets one


let family guy illustrate this point:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYZfNZbn0SU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYZfNZbn0SU)





BINGO!

no for real this happens sometimes, it's almost like you have this shit in your head built up to be absolute hell, then when it happens, it's like, "well that's not that bad!" still though, it doesn't happen often, so enjoy.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 11, 2016, 11:57:51 AM
@dizzle: I hear your point bro but full-on dopesick isn't still constipated, isn't not-pukey (for me anyway), isn't not-kicking the covers all over the place and able to sleep. I was maybe 2/3 of the way there, after >20years at this game, I know dopesick really well, at least I know my dopesick really well.

Circumstances didn't allow for me to suck a crumb of sub this am. Tomorrow, for sure..

Can I get some cliff notes for the video? I don't have audio on this machine.

@Dopeless Hopefiend : Way too much! Seriously, cut that back to 1/4 of what you're taking now. I can almost guarantee you'll feel better. I've never had to take more than 12mg at induction, which I always then throttle back to 2-6mg (within a couple days), which is where my blocking threshold is with bup.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: DeadCat on August 11, 2016, 02:35:28 PM
Bupe is a kind of paradoxical drug.

One time I had injured a sciatic nerve which is extremely painful and can last for a month. At the ER I ws given a bottle of what I thought would be crappy extended realeas "Oraomorph" tablets of no more than 100 mg each. I think I had  2mg of bupe in the AM that day which woud normally at least interfere with any opiate high. I wasn't expecting much pain relief even but...

The bupe and morphine must have mutually potentiated or something but before I knew it I was high as fuck! It was one of those dreamy, blissful, "I love everybody highs" and I started calling old girfriends telling them all sorts of nice things and I got "[DeadCat], are you high or what?" replies.

Sadly though after that one first time experience it never worked again the whoe month I was taking the morphine, which is generally what I get from oral morphine, nothing.

Other topic: Full-On w/d and constipation. I've had this happen. It is very uncomfortable. Your bowels are trying to let everything go but extended opiate use has left you with a brick blocking the way. A dope friend of mine and I would call it "The Plug"  and it really is exactly that, a physical block to colon spasms and relief.  Wow. Really unpleasant memory there..
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 11, 2016, 03:36:46 PM
^^ 2mg bup isn't that much, I can take 4mg and then go get loaded off a normal issue inside 2hrs. My blocking dose of bup starts at about 6mg, but with effort I can even punch through that.

I just did something really stupid. I went to jab some Test and grabbed the narcan instead and muscled 1ml/.4mg, right after muscling about a half g of dope - oops! I didn't even catch it, my GF did - "is THIS what you just shot?"

How's that for a dipshit move? I feel ok, I don't think .4mg is very much, but umm... Doh!
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Bodytec on August 11, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
Off/on topic...I've started doing my test with a dope pin(1cc 29ga 1/2"). It works pretty good,just slow. Backload the pin with a regular 3cc syringe. Being strung out on tea and opiates is my life story. Together they make me a He-man. Just don't bomb off of both at the same time ...makes a man into a mouse.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 12, 2016, 09:48:58 AM
A .5" pin is pretty short for an IM shot, hopefully you don't have much of a fat layer where you're injecting; I'd recommend using at least a 1" pin, but you didn't ask me..

OK so I got my first "microdose" of bup down before my wake-up this am. Nothing noteworthy happened, I just sucked a crumb of our favorite little orangey tasty treats and waited 20 minutes.

Props to @Z for the idea. Microsing bup makes a lot of sense to me, hopefully it will make my full induction here in a couple days a bit easier..
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Dog Food on August 12, 2016, 12:39:32 PM
Im doin the same thing today,. Gonna take at least a mg though, since i got some fire dope to do soon then after.  Its odd how bupe works for me anymore.  Like ill take a mg or two, then do dope the rest of the day, then tomorrow ill be straight to take sub itself.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 12, 2016, 01:42:24 PM
Its odd how bupe works for me anymore.  Like ill take a mg or two, then do dope the rest of the day, then tomorrow ill be straight to take sub itself.

Yep, exact same thing here. Take a mg, do some dope, good to go.

I've been saying this for years. Not sure how many ppl believe me, it's good to read that other ppl have the same experience.

The microdose went very smoothly this am. Tempted to take another crumb later on today, but tomorrow for sure I'll take like 2 crumbs..
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Dog Food on August 12, 2016, 02:25:29 PM
Yeah, thats the only way i can introduce bupe into my system without a whole lotta pain and agogny.  I ended up taking a quarter of one of my pills, then did my big shot about 45 mins after. 

I just don't have the added time and money for dope that several days of taking micro doses for several days. Thats why i like to take a decent sub dose(2-4mg) then i can take em as scripted tomorrow. well see how tomorrow goes and ill report back on what happens with just subs
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: nikita70 on August 12, 2016, 04:38:46 PM
Bupe is a kind of paradoxical drug.
(...)
The bupe and morphine must have mutually potentiated or something but before I knew it I was high as fuck! It was one of those dreamy, blissful, "I love everybody highs" and I started calling old girfriends telling them all sorts of nice things and I got "[DeadCat], are you high or what?" replies.
(...)
Other topic: Full-On w/d and constipation. I've had this happen. It is very uncomfortable. Your bowels are trying to let everything go but extended opiate use has left you with a brick blocking the way. A dope friend of mine and I would call it "The Plug"  and it really is exactly that, a physical block to colon spasms and relief.  Wow. Really unpleasant memory there..

This^^^ I've never ever mentioned about it or asked for, since I AM A LADY and claiming to be perceived as some disembodied creature, blah blah.
(looks being a drug addict and status of incorporeal one excluding each other).

HOWEVER, this is what I used to kinda euphemistic call as "BOTHERSOME SIDE EFFECTS" of synthetical opioids with a long half life.

Methadone is bad enough as for constipation, but this bupe is some real...well, SHIT, must be said. It's like... neither in this way nor another, lol.
I always wonder how perfidious and nasty it is. This is why I used to keen on short acting opies (those natural ones as possible)-ALL the results (those desirable ones and tiring up) seem to expire/getting burnt out symultanously.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Z on August 13, 2016, 12:58:18 PM
That's great that it worked out for you so far.  I appreciate the credit, but the only thing I did was vaguely remember a thread from the phile.

I have never actually taken subs.  It is sort of newer here in Canada.  Plus I've taken methadone for so long that the thought of pwd from it scares the crap out of me.  I stumbled across the microdosing when I thought about switching and filed it away for later use.  I'm glad that you're getting some use out of it now!
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 13, 2016, 02:09:09 PM
I got the second dose down this morning ok. Most of the morning I've felt a bit unsettled though, not sure exactly why -- it could be the slow transition, could be the shitty dope I'm doing, could be stress from current living situation which is chaotic; could be all of, or even none of the above. When I took the dose, I can't say I noticed anything that felt like a wd initiation, but it was indeed a very small amount of bup, like maybe half-a-.177-bb sized.

I've considered digging around like maybe the wayback machine (internet archives) for that old thread, I'd be interested in reading it if it's at all available.

But anyway ya, so far so good it seems. Again this idea makes a lot of sense to me, hopefully it works as well in practice as it seems it should.. Gonna find out!
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Z on August 14, 2016, 05:23:16 AM
Sorry I can't help more.  I don't have any actual experience.  I glanced through the way back machine because you mentioned it, but it mostly seemed to jut grab the front page.  Not very useful stuff, needless to say.

I don't know what to say.  I'm sure your instincts are spit on after so many years with this game.  I know mine usually are when it comes to my habit.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: holladimsum on August 19, 2016, 04:01:02 PM
Update?
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 20, 2016, 03:53:35 AM
Took 2mg bup this am and it didn't throw me into anything worse than the state I was in, which wasn't great. After the 2mg, I did the last of what I had and drank maybe 50mg methadone -- the first methadone I've had in maybe 2-3 weeks, but shit needed done.

Tomorrow, more bup, at least 4mg.

This is definitely working, but I'm right in the middle of it so it's kinda early to write much more. Hopefully I'll be able to get through tomorrow on bup alone, only other option is methadone and I'm fucking sick of methadone.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Dog Food on August 20, 2016, 04:25:06 AM
I wouldnt keep taking the done cause of its long half life...   But, i guess if you take bupe tomorrow morning and it doesnt make you sick at all then you should have enough sub in you to just keep taking only sub. You just gotta get used to how only sub feels then.

When youre taking, say 8mg bupe daily for weeks/months, you can do other opiates then sub right after almost.  The other opiates may not work well or do nothing at all, but you can do em then sub right after cause theres so much sub on all ur receptors.  Its when we run out of sub that makes it so hard to get back on just sub
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: holladimsum on August 20, 2016, 05:56:44 AM
I really wanted to get the show on the road and I never have a smooth transition from D -> Bupe, so the micro sub dose/full agonist immediately following approach looked attractive.  I ended up deciding to use the D I had left to get me through the work week and use the weekend for a direct transition to sub. 

It has been really tough to pull the trigger on induction due to fear of being sick at work.  I am hoping that this works or I'll be at the clinic again next week (trying to avoid, got off MMT about a year ago).
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 20, 2016, 02:24:54 PM
Ok so as of this morning I think I pulled it off. Rough going for a few hours, but possibly because I was just really wary of taking more than a mg or two at a time; which is pretty much what always happens when I do this.

I was really rough this morning, but the crumbs were helping so I kept taking them, now about 5 hours since I woke up the first time (went to bed in rough shape last night, but I did sleep), and I feel about ~70% after maybe 6mg bup. Help from a very small amt of xanax as well.

So, all in all 5-6hrs of shittiness from a md->sub switch in like 30 days is pretty good. I still have a little ways to go, but I think  the worst of it is over, and I think the microdosing is a brilliant fucking idea.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Chip on August 20, 2016, 10:10:19 PM
This is a good example of people helping each other by way of the forum.

We may not have much traffic but what we do have makes it all worthwhile.

I'm pleased for you, Chops !
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 21, 2016, 04:26:24 PM
So it's officially official, I'm fully switched over to subs, it's taking me 6-8mg in the am to feel normal, and then maybe another 2mg in the evening. From experience I know these numbers will drop soon.

I can honestly say that was the easiest sub jump I've ever done, and that's going back like 10 years. I had a little rls this am, but that was remedied by more sub, xanax and some decent bud.

I feel good. AND NO MORE FUCKING METHADONE!!!1!111!11
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: holladimsum on August 21, 2016, 06:53:00 PM
So I took probably ~.4mg of Bupe this morning and then did two bags after.  Do you think I should do another dose of sub tonight (roughly) 8 hours later, or wait until the morning.  What I am wondering is since I took Bupe this morning, does that mean I can take it as I please now, or is ~.4 too small of a dose to grant me immunity?  Also, chops, were you doing D at night during the course of the induction, or just the morning?
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 21, 2016, 09:46:07 PM
I'd wait until morning, and until you're pretty well sick before taking that next dose. Let that D wear off..
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Dog Food on August 22, 2016, 03:30:24 AM
I always wait till the next morning (orafter a full night's sleep). Sleeping almost resets my brain. If i do a fast shot, fall asleep for acouple hours or more, ill wake up and start feeling shitty soon after waking, same with showers, ill take a shower then feel stone cold sober after.

But anyway, no .4 of bupe sublingual isnt near enough to be able to take right away after dope.  Maybe if I took like 8 - 16 but id still wait till u wake up.  You would havehad to take a blocking dose of sub to take it that soon.  Think about it,. That .4mg isnt goimg to be anywhere close to coverimg most of your receptors in your brain, therefore the dope would have attached to almost as much as if u took no sub, then if u take sub right away it will rip the dope off of those receptors causing horrible pain.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: holladimsum on August 22, 2016, 11:33:53 AM
@Dog Food that makes sense.  I am glad that I played it cautious but I am bummed that it is so tough to switch over.
Title: Re: not that sick, wtf?
Post by: Opi-ette on August 22, 2016, 05:15:00 PM
Chops that is great news!!! So happy for you and that you didn't suffer as much as
the other attempts.

Maybe there should be a sticky about micro-dosing for those that are switching over to subs? Just a thought.

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