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Title: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: DreamerOnTheRun on March 11, 2016, 05:42:41 AM
So I used to be prescribed Ambien and have a good deal of experience with it, even I/V (don't try that at home boys and girls).  Anyway been thinking of asking my Pysch for some back, but I wanted to get some legit comparisons.  Being both z-drugs do they feel almost identical?  Like Ambien, can you I/V lunesta.  This became helpful in the midst of hardcore withdrawals.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: DeadCat on March 11, 2016, 06:43:07 AM
all text redacted - too bizarre.

sorry DeadCat but I'm saving you possible embarrassment.

hope you are ok.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: AllNightLong on March 11, 2016, 09:49:37 AM
What the fuck Deadcat?
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: thetalkingasshole on March 11, 2016, 10:06:35 AM
@DeadCat  drugs are bad mkay
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on March 11, 2016, 05:36:27 PM
all text redacted - too bizarre.

sorry DeadCat but I'm saving you possible embarrassment.

hope you are ok.

POTY
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Normus42 on March 11, 2016, 06:47:35 PM
lol thats great deadcat. you alright bud im sure you dont remember a thing.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Morfy on March 11, 2016, 07:03:04 PM

Just for fun,


Let's pretend that DeadCat was a high-level spy for CIA, and he was found dead next to the encrypted note you see above.


Your mission:


Decode DeadCat's last & most important message (he gave his life to make sure this message got to us--now decipher it!!)





Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Guts on March 11, 2016, 08:32:20 PM
Hey chip, I was trying to decipher what deadcat was saying lol... right after he talks about having license to spread eagle on select cops faces or something there is a phone number... maybe someone should edit that out for him?
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Zoops on March 11, 2016, 08:59:40 PM
LES TALK
Moderator Comment phone number removed
MIWTLY IFEEL LIKE MDMAB WEH ITYE. FRY CAT FOOT AD THEY STAY TABLR.

YOU TAKIG ETS ON TH OUTCOME HIGH SECTORED OR OTHER IIR BIGGEST. I'F FAT A FAMILY THOUG. FCKTHE OR-PIF AND GT THEM WITH THSEEN.

-P

Some about frying a cat foot and a fat family? What the fuck?

I think he wants someone to call him because it looks like he said "let's talk" and tried to put his phone number. Or maybe that's his SSN?

Actually, I've noticed quite of few of DC's posts lately have been replete with spelling errors, but this takes the cake. I hope it's because he was really really fucked up when he wrote it.

Anyways, to the topic at hand. I've IV'd Ambien and Lunesta. Lunesta has a muuuuch long half-life than Ambien does. And the main drawback with Lunesta is the awful seriously nasty taste it makes in your mouth. Just like chewing on aluminum foil. Seriously. Don't believe me try it. The taste is there whether you take it orally or IV, but it's very intense if you IV it. Like it's there instantly. Weird. People were talking about how drugs taste different when IV'd the other day - this one is awful.

My go-to dose when IV'ing Ambien was 30mg. And for Lunesta it was 9mg. Lunesta tablets break down so readily in water it's not even funny. Like you just wave the water in front of the pill and it dissolves.

When IV'd, Lunesta gives a very "sink back into the couch" type feeling. Probably will make you feel like you want to go to sleep. Like some major hardcore SLEEP, man. The feeling is somewhat like being crushed under a ton of sleepy dust from the sleep faerie.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 11, 2016, 09:03:47 PM
Hey chip, I was trying to decipher what deadcat was saying lol... right after he talks about having license to spread eagle on select cops faces or something there is a phone number... maybe someone should edit that out for him?

thanks, I removed the number ...

he can edit out the rest with our help if he wants.

I have seen some of his emails and PMs and this doesn't surprise me.

@DeadCat, go easy or stay away from the computer when you're smashed, your moderator skills are severely impaired in this state.

OTHER MEMBERS: please don't quote text with embedded phone numbers, it's harder to edit them out.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: shoybs on March 11, 2016, 10:23:06 PM
Holy shit, what started as a simple question about sleeping pills has turned into the goddamn thread of the year, and brought forth a very intriguing mystery.

What the fuck was DeadCat on?

Anyone know if he buys RC's? If so I'd like to put my money on flubromazolam. Maybe mixed with a stimulant.

Also, has anyone heard from him since he posted that? Jesus, someone should probably check on him and make sure he's okay. I think we all know that if that post was due to a benzo binge, VERY bad things can happen in that state of mind.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 11, 2016, 10:50:25 PM
unless someone knows him personally, it's hard to get to him.

as I said, this isn't new - maybe he can see his post better with caps on ?

@DeadCat, are you ok ?

best I can do because I think he has some RC benzo connections ... yes, worrying in many ways but he usually bounces back with those 8 lives left.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: shoybs on March 12, 2016, 12:25:05 AM
I was hoping someone else on the board knows how to get in contact with him or knows him personally. Yeah I'm really hoping that if he was in a benzo induced stupor that he just chilled out at home and now hes sleeping it off.

Either way @DeadCat we'd all love to hear back from you as soon as you're sobered up or whatever.

I don't want to seem melodramatic but this sort of thing hits really close to home for me. I've spent multiple nights up all night worrying sick about a close friend because they stopped talking to me after showing signs of being superbly intoxicated.

Once was a friend who took a bunch of bars and called me because they were lost trying to get home from a strip club. I tried to convince them to stay where they were and let me come pick them up. But since people whacked out on benzos arent typically renowned for their judgement, he refused and kept driving, crashing his truck and getting arrested.

Another time my very best friend had just gotten out of jail after 60 days and told me that she was planning to stay clean - and i warned her of how many overdoses come from people relapsing after jail time. She assured me that she was staying clean but when i saw her that evening she had pinned pupils, itching, nodding, all the signs. Shortly after she left i texted her and confronted her on what i saw and basically asked that she just be very careful, and she responded with some incoherent message about me not trusting her, and then after that, she wouldn't talk to me. I was worried to death all night, and was hoping that she was just mad at me. Well it turned out that the reason she stopped responding to me was because she overdosed shortly after texting me. She's still with us, thank God, but she used to put me through that kind of shit constantly and always acted like it was no big deal, and i really started to hate her for it.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Z on March 12, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Some about frying a cat foot and a fat family? What the fuck?

I think he wants someone to call him because it looks like he said "let's talk" and tried to put his phone number. Or maybe that's his SSN?

Actually, I've noticed quite of few of DC's posts lately have been replete with spelling errors, but this takes the cake. I hope it's because he was really really fucked up when he wrote it.



I would like it if people could not speculate based on their memories of a deleted post.  I shouldn't have to link it, but we have already had some controversy over people remebering delted posts differently from what the logs show. 


He made an ill-advised post.  The post has been deleted.  I don't think that he meant anything bad by it, and rubbing his nose in the mistake won't really achieve anything good.


IF people could hold back on trying to portray the post in a bad light then I would appreciate it.  I think that we have all had moment where we had used too much or taken too many, and we really could have used a helping hand or a bit of an understanding atmosphere.  Why don't we give him that, and wait for DeadCat to respond to what happened before we do things in a different way.

Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Guts on March 12, 2016, 01:20:14 PM
Z, I don't think anyone was really rubbing his nose in it... we were making fun but as members of the club. I think most of us have been there...
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: dizzle on March 12, 2016, 03:02:10 PM
agree with guts.

Z no one's rubbing anyone's nose in it, but you have to admit that was some seriously funny shit. Also, where there's no reason to beat people up, let's not do that, Zoops wasn't doing anything worthy of a stern warning.


Zoops your good.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: DeadCat on March 12, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
Uh...Yeah. I thik I was really really high. Unfrotunately the drugs interfere with y manual dexterity mking it evn worse.

Sorry. On the other and this gows to show you that drugs CAN fuc with sane peple as well.

Sorry. I am sure had I been able to see it I could have made sense out of of it.

If it happens again soomebidy cut and pasteit and send me a copuy please. As it stands now I don't know what i said.

Ah the fun of trying new drugs.

-DC
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Z on March 12, 2016, 04:26:33 PM
I didn't warn zoops, and I certainly wasn't beating anyone up.  When I have given someone a warning I have done it in a message.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Zoops on March 12, 2016, 04:44:12 PM
Z, I had cut and pasted from the actual post before it was deleted; I wasn't "trying to remember it."

I was certainly NOT trying to "rub his nose in it." That notion was nowhere near my mind when I made those remarks.  Maybe, perhaps you're projecting your own thoughts and feelings onto my posts? Why would I of all people be shaming someone for being royally toasted?

...and I hope you catch this edit: Z, I don't want you to think I don't like you. I think you are totally o.k. You might be feeling a bit beset by some forum members, but I have never thought ill of you.

I just thought it was really funny that he actually wrote "fry a cat" and "a fat family" or something close to it, right after "let's talk and what appeared to be an (incomplete) phone number - it was only nine numbers long so it wouldn't have gotten anybody anywhere anyhow. US phone numbers are 10 digits long and it wasn't 10 digits, only 9

I'm gonna rescind my membership to this forum, never to be heard from again, if the day ever comes where we can't poke fun in a good-natured manner at people for being seriously bent and posting shit. I'd expect the same treatment if I had posted some off-the-wall, completely unintelligible jibber-jabber like that.

And, @dizzle, I appreciate your remarks, but can you please explain to me why my post would or might require a "stern warning" at all? What did I do wrong? Man? Seriously, please tell me. I want to know so I don't repeat it. And if we aren't allowed to say, "damn that guy is fucking high as a kite," when someone posts something like that, I mean come the fuck on.

And finally, for the million dollar question - (...drumroll...) @DeadCat - Duuuuude, can you PLEASE tell us what were you on??? I'm dying to know. I need to be that twisted too!
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Zoops on March 12, 2016, 04:47:55 PM
@dizzle - I just re-read your post. You said I wasn't doing anything worthy of a stern warning. Sorry, I misread what you said!
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Z on March 12, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
I'm sorry Zoops.  I wasn't trying to single you out, and I wasn't intending it as talking strictly to you.  I was just trying to encourage it to not go too far and make him feel bad.  I wasn't talking as anyone but Z, member of the forum.  I think it was funny too.  I wasn't trying to stop anyone from teasing someone else.


I meant the whole thing in a general sense, and I only linked your post to show the kind of thing I was talking about.  I don't think you did anything wrong, but I was just hoping that it wouldn't go too far in the future. That's all.



It seems like whatever I do now gets taken in the worst possible light.  I should clearly just shut up, because I routinely get accused of something bad from whatever I say.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Zoops on March 12, 2016, 06:09:55 PM
It seems like whatever I do now gets taken in the worst possible light.  I should clearly just shut up, because I routinely get accused of something bad from whatever I say.

Aw, c'mon it's not like that. Really. You are a liked member of our gang here. It's just that as you know, nuanced communication in writing, over the internet, is impossible.

Maybe you could read over your posts and think "now what would I think if I read that, written by someone else?" I routinely edit out stuff I was going to say because I thought it would be taken the wrong way.

I'm like "naw, I'm not gonna say that. Lemme see here, how else can I say it?"
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: shoybs on March 12, 2016, 09:50:03 PM
Yay he's back!

@Zoops I definitely agree that we should be able to have a little fun with each other, and I my opinion based on what i had read in this thread, that's what we were all doing. I think (and please correct me if i am mistaken) @Z just wants to make sure that no one takes things too far. No one, especially here, wants to feel shamed for their choices. That's one of the things that binds us all together. And i think that if DC or anyone else in a similar situation asks us to drop it, we should be understanding and respect their wishes.

As for the on-topic portion off the thread - someone a page or two back (i can't remember who or be bothered to look back now) mentioned that Lunesta is actually easier to dissolve and shoot than Ambien, and then described that "sinking into the couch" rush feeling that i absolutely LOVE about ambien. Anyone with experience - is it better than ambien or about the same? Also, ambien always has the damn white dye or whatever in the tablets, so the shot always makes it look like milk and makes it difficult to register sometimes. Is Lunesta the same way? And, I've tried many many times to get an Ambien script, even a small one, but every time I end up with a script for hydroxyzine, which is bullshit. Do you think it would be easier to get a script of lunesta? Considering that ambien has a bit of a reputation these days, i think it might be a little easier, but im probably just being hopeful and naive.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Roman Totale on March 12, 2016, 10:33:17 PM
I don't know from Lunesta, but Ambien's a hell of a drug.  Waking up on the couch and going to wake your girlfriend for work, until you realize it's 1:30pm and she's long gone.  And there's weird dripping shaving cream on every flat-ish surface for some reason, oh right, those were the swastikas you decided to decorate the apartment with.  Thankfully, you didn't carve one in the your flesh, just a few nice clean deep cuts on the arm and thigh from a water glass you by your bedside "table" you knocked over and shatterd....
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Zoops on March 13, 2016, 12:01:51 AM
Although it's much easier to prep a shot (I was the one who  said something about shooting Lunesta), it's nowhere near as "fun" as Ambien. The shots come out clear, but with a slightly blue  tint (the 3mg tablets are blue on the outside) or yellow (if you're using the 2mg joints). 1mg tablets are white, so I guess that would come out totally clear, if not a tad white-ish.

...and that taste is pretty fucking gnarly. I could imagine it making someone sick enough to puke right after driving it home.

There is that slight visual disturbance that you get with Ambien too (like that red and green pixelated effect and everything looks like it has a shiny sheen on it), but it's just not as "good" of a feeling. You wouldn't get the craving to do more and more like you do with Ambien either.

One last thing: Lunest still isn't available as a generic (at least I don' think it is for a few more years), and the brand name joints are very expensive. I remember 3mg #30 being over $120. Maybe even as much as $200. I remember it was pretty pricey.

Those Teva brand generic Ambiens were best - tiny round white tablets with a big "Z" on one side. Mylans are big honking blue tablets that don't hardly have any kick to them at all. Only ate those, but they had a definitely different effect.

Brand name Ambien is pretty much the best though.

Those tan-colored medium-sized Sandoz generic zolpidem tablets are o.k., but not great. Never tried to bang one of those either.

I always used a 3ml syringe with a Luer-lock needle on the tip. So you can filter it through the cotton real easily. And I would always use 2ml to cook up my shots of Ambien.

Ditto on the milky color of a shot of Ambien too. I seem to remember it being easier to register because the blood contrasts so well against the milky background.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: DeadCat on March 13, 2016, 01:06:13 AM
FWIW-

I have none, ZERO recollctiosn of what is being said that I wrote. Yah, I got good and high, ate a number 'scripts camee in and once and I had done them all before this(more than once) and I  I guess theyhad a synergetic effect and I got good an wrecked. Then again, this being a wbsite for drugs ang users and ahat they've learned by partaking, thre isn't a much better place to talk about what our "expermeating" has taught us, for. better or worse.
So, who want to party?

PS, If a copy of my original  post stil exits I'd be curious to see it/ Who know maybe it's profound or if any body want to be friends IRL, I'm a lot fun at parties. Or so I have been told.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 13, 2016, 01:26:59 AM
just go to the old moderator reports

Moderate > Posts > Old Posts
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: shoybs on March 13, 2016, 03:10:12 AM
I'd party with you any day @DeadCat
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Guts on March 13, 2016, 03:22:16 AM
Yeah, just bring the drugs  ;)
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 13, 2016, 04:37:48 AM
so @DeadCat, translation ?
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: nick on March 13, 2016, 07:29:06 PM
I don't know from Lunesta, but Ambien's a hell of a drug.  Waking up on the couch and going to wake your girlfriend for work, until you realize it's 1:30pm and she's long gone.  And there's weird dripping shaving cream on every flat-ish surface for some reason, oh right, those were the swastikas you decided to decorate the apartment with.  Thankfully, you didn't carve one in the your flesh, just a few nice clean deep cuts on the arm and thigh from a water glass you by your bedside "table" you knocked over and shatterd....

Ha! That's nothing-some guy on opiophile posted claiming he'd shot himself in the foot during an ambien blackout.
Obviously,we all called "bullshit" and laughed at him.........right up to the point where he posted photos of what was left of his foot and medical notes.

As you say "ambien,it's one hell of a drug".
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: shoybs on March 13, 2016, 07:31:57 PM
so @DeadCat, translation ?

I was actually gonna make a post translating what he said before the text was redacted, but i just didn't get around to it. From what i had read though i could make sense out of most of it based on rhyming syllables and letter positioning on the keyboard.

Bartarded is like a second language to me. ;)

@nick holy shit i remember that!
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Guts on March 13, 2016, 07:48:20 PM
You wanna see a cool phenomenon?

Mnkeoy jeknius lvoe sohtnoig bnnaaa fvrlaeod hrieon.

Even though all the letters are jumbled up, you should have no problem reading that. Apparently, as long as the first and last letter in a word are in the correct places, it doesn't really matter about the rest. As long as they are there, our brain will put it all together.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on March 13, 2016, 08:51:20 PM

Sorry. I am sure had I been able to see it I could have made sense out of of it.

If it happens again soomebidy cut and pasteit and send me a copuy please. As it stands now I don't know what i said.

I quoted it for preservation's sake, but the mods are a little trigger happy around here lately..

Personally I thought that post had EPIC written all over it..
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 13, 2016, 09:04:03 PM
I understand your concern.

we have it saved ... if DeadCat wants to recover it then no problem - it's still around.

I thought that it would be embarrassing for him, that's why I took it down - no other reason.

some people are sensitive about that - it's his call now.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Jega on March 13, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
I quoted it for preservation's sake, but the mods are a little trigger happy around here lately..

Personally I thought that post had EPIC written all over it..
How have the mods been a little trigger happy? I'm not upset at all that you said that but I would love if you explained what you meant. Please!
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 13, 2016, 11:06:59 PM
Jega, he is referring to my edit, that's all.

I think ...
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Jega on March 13, 2016, 11:33:29 PM
Jega, he is referring to my edit, that's all.

I think ...
Ah. Ok.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Narkotikon on March 14, 2016, 06:35:02 AM
I'm glad you're ok, Deadcat. Sounds like you had one hell of an epic high. LOL I'm overdue for one of those myself.

Welcome back.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Griffin on March 14, 2016, 03:02:07 PM
This should turn into a craziest shit you have done on ambien(or lunesta) thread. I have only taken it a few times mainly because the complete memory loss, and instant sleep kind of scared me. The first time me and my friends took it, we had been at the lake all day and were at our hotel parking lot sitting in the boat on the trailer. We decided to take some there and see who could last the longest without falling asleep. Not one of us has any idea how we got to our hotel rooms the next morning, I am just glad that we made it.

Another time I took it, my girlfriend got home after work around 3 am and there were some completely black eggs on the stove that had been cooking for hours along with cheese melted to the microwave that was open. I don't remember making them but they had been sitting on high heat on the stove for at least 4-5 hours I am glad I didn't start a fire. I'm not surprised by anything I hear people doing while on it. I put shredded cheese in the microwave without a plate or cup i just dropped it on the spinning plate and it melted to the microwave.

Another time I followed a friend home after a party who had taken it, because I couldn't talk him out of driving and he is really big so I literally couldn't stop him. He went into the ditch twice before I was able to convince him to let me take him home. It was a dirt road and I made sure he didn't go over 25 mph but that could of ended horribly it was a $20000 truck. That was pretty scary though because even though he was only going 25 he couldn't stay on the road he drove for 4 minutes and had been in the ditch twice and was swerving from one side to the other.

I couldn't believe how awful his motor skills were, and then he didn't remember it at all the next day. If I ever had to take it i'd get a safe that was time released and put my keys in it and make it so it won't open until the next morning or tie myself to my bed so if I tried to leave I'd have to figure out how to untie myself. I have heard all kinds of horror stories from people taking it, especially when it first became popular around 2007.

I am glad xanax doesn't give me memory loss when I first started taking it I'd have zero memory the next day, now I remember most of what I do but some parts are a little hazy every now and then. I'll read a post on here a few days later and have no recollection of writing it. It completely turns off my give a fuck, I do some stupid shit every time I take it, it seems. I have been trying to stop taking it for a year but can't I have been able to cut down to only 3-4 days a month but I want to cut it out completely and can't because I am still chasing getting high.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: shoybs on March 14, 2016, 05:24:35 PM
See, that's what's strange to me. I've never fully blacked out on ambien. Its always a little fuzzy, but its always at least there. Even when i was tripping balls after IVing 120mg in a single night, i still didnt completely black out.

Xanax though? If i take 2mg, im done. Even worse if i have like 30 tabs, because I'll take two and black out, and then ill just keep taking them until i erase 3 full days from my memory.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 14, 2016, 05:31:29 PM
I'm too scared now to mess with Zolpidem.

too much of a lucky dip unless you have a sitter - hey, I'd happily sit in if I could - with my phone video recorder set to record the highlights.

great viewing for afterwards  ::)  :-\
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Guts on March 14, 2016, 05:55:53 PM
I remember taking some in withdrawal... my pops had some for some reason lol. It helped a lot. I could actually sleep for a couple hours at a time. I also remember my dad having 2 heads...
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Roman Totale on March 14, 2016, 08:10:22 PM
I'm no chef whatsoever, but one Ambiened evening I wanted a sandwich I guess, but had no mayonnaise.  So without consulting any cookbook or recipe, and without ever remotely doing this before (or since), I proceeded to make my own mayo, whipping up egg yolks, oil, and maybe lemon juice.  It came out great, I think, I wasn't sick, I had my sandwich and went back to bed.  Just couldn't figure out what the whisk was doing on the counter til it all came back to me, hazily.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Sand and Water on March 15, 2016, 08:28:07 AM
@RT--bwahaha! Nnot laughing *at* you, but that's funny! My very first thought was "hmm that sounds good!  maybe I'll try that & add a bit of dill".

The only times I've used Ambien (1st regular 10mg pill, then second scrip was the CR, (my doctor said i looked like hell so try it for sleep lol), my body basically ignores it. Went from less than 20mi s sleep at a time (synthetic hormones weren't working) to approx 45 minutes. With the CR, I slept *maybe* 1 & 1/2 hrs & CR was crazy expensive to boot. No fun recipes etc lol.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 15, 2016, 08:52:12 PM
@RT--bwahaha! Nnot laughing *at* you, but that's funny! My very first thought was "hmm that sounds good!  maybe I'll try that & add a bit of dill".

The only times I've used Ambien (1st regular 10mg pill, then second scrip was the CR, (my doctor said i looked like hell so try it for sleep lol), my body basically ignores it. Went from less than 20mi s sleep at a time (synthetic hormones weren't working) to approx 45 minutes. With the CR, I slept *maybe* 1 & 1/2 hrs & CR was crazy expensive to boot. No fun recipes etc lol.

that's why it's still available because if you stick to the prescribed amount, it can work.

doses at and over 50 mg. are when the problems can start.

the bottom line is that this drug can cause hallucinations and blackouts but you are likely to do things you may regret ... what makes this sleeper so dangerous is that it doesn't suppress somnambulismWiki like true sleep usually does.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: DeadCat on March 15, 2016, 09:34:29 PM
I'm pretty sure that my "epic" post, which Chipper did save and share with me was a result of taking Ambien and Etizolam together.

I can tell you firsthand, you can get really out of your mind fucked up on either of them and THINK you are just fine and could pass for sober.

I don't mind that I wrote some gobbdlygook here. Its' a forum for drug users and drug users do silly things sometimes and I've been a drug user for a loooong time.. What does bother me is the possibility of getting behind the wheel and doing someone else some real damage. I'd urge nyone taking benzos or other sedatives to hide your car keys first.


Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Roman Totale on March 15, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
@chipper  It may go without saying, but combining Ambien, even at the prescribed dose, with even a moderate amount of alcohol, can provoke some of the same shameful/amusing behaviors.  That's the only time I've really gone into foolish blackout mode, but then never did take more than one extra tablet or so sober, since it was strong enough for me (in weirdness if not hypnotic effects) at 20-30mg.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 15, 2016, 09:50:41 PM
good HR RT.

it's always tricky with dosages and you are correct: just ADD one other 'depressant' with a Zolpidem 'higher' dose and you may end up in the WEIRD zone, which could be the unlucky zone, also.

i have decided that i am done with Zolpidem ... but that's just me -- it's too unpredictable for a poly user like me.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Roman Totale on March 15, 2016, 09:57:30 PM
Likewise.  It's a little funny/sad to have to say, but I'll only take zolpidem exactly as the doctor says to - with a sip of water only, while I'm already in bed, tired, with my head on the pillow and the lights out.  Only alone for me, too: I've been woken up and had hurtful arguments with bed partners that I couldn't remember in the morning whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Normus42 on March 16, 2016, 01:22:51 AM
I dont normally black out from ambien and im a regular user/abuser of the stuff. Me and my mother both get scripts for the stuff and we share if we are together and one of us is out. That being said, the one time I remember being blacked out was this time a few years ago. I went to visit my mom a few states away and she told me were the ambien was so I could take one before bed. I IV'ed it and remember thinking I would just do one more. The next thing I remember was being woken up the next day by my mom. She was yelling about how I had stolen her whole script that she had just filled. I must have blacked out after the 2nd shot and kept getting more and more till they were gone. One was left in the bottle when she found it. I had apparently shot #28 10mg pills threw out the night. I had zero memory of it and had a very hard time trying to explain away that one!
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Jega on March 16, 2016, 01:27:22 AM
I went though this thread but I may have missed it, has anyone tried to shoot Lunesta?

Ambien has one of the best rushes. It's the only thing that made me pass out with the needle still in my arm.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Chip on March 16, 2016, 01:34:10 AM
normus42, that is a common problem where you go back for just one more and then it's blackout and the whole lot gone.

has happened to me at least twice.

another lesson learned about Ambien and benzos - hide the keys and the rest of the script, too.
Title: Re: Ambien VS Lunesta
Post by: Zoops on March 17, 2016, 06:41:01 PM
I went though this thread but I may have missed it, has anyone tried to shoot Lunesta?

Ambien has one of the best rushes. It's the only thing that made me pass out with the needle still in my arm.

Yeah Lunesta tablets break down exceedingly well for injection. And it does work. No rush like with Ambien though. Just the sudden onset of a feeling like you've been hit with a ton of "sleep bricks." And the taste you get in the back of the throat is AWFUL. If you're going to try it, I recommend 6-9mg.
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