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Title: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on July 21, 2016, 12:53:17 AM
I have read about this on several different sites but I finally had to try this 2 days ago. This method saved a guys life. I've read that bupe is not water soluble and naloxone is. I was in a situation 2 days ago where that was the last option after an hour and no signs of getting better I pulled the trigger and did it.

A guy at my place did a shot of what wasn't actually dope but fent or some type of fent analog being sold on the street as dope. The stuff was crystal clear in the rig when u pulled it back. He flopped almost immediately off of only 15 bucks worth. It came to the point where I had exhausted every effort to revive him besides calling 911.

I took a 4 mg suboxone strip and ripped it in half and disolved it in 50 units of water. 4 mg bupe / 1 mg naloxone. So in theory roughly .5 mg naloxone in the solution i mixed up. I shot it in him and after about 30 seconds he was starting to come back breathing better and moaning while slowly coming back to life. This was the last act of desperation before having to call the ambulance to save this guy. After a few minutes He eventually regained color his lips no longer blue and he was standing up and talking. This guy was close to gone. If he was by himself he no doubt would be.

I have seen several people od in my time using but only 2 cases where the paramedics were finally called. This was definitely necessary and is absolutely what saved his life.

I know this is most likely not considered a safe way and if you can call the paramedics or are in a state where if u do u can't be punished call them. But some people can't because of the laws and criminal background would be sent away for some time. That was my case. I made the decision to do this before we call 911 and it is what saved this man. He was also thankful I did not call them. He would have been in deep shit too.

Luckily I read boards like this frequently and had the knowledge to save his life. It was a story similar to this on a similar site year's ago that always made me wonder. If you are ever in a situation where someone is overdosing and that is an option there is a chance it could work. If you can call for help obviously do that first but due to the criminal nature of drug addiction that's not always a great option for some.

Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Z on July 21, 2016, 01:08:48 AM
You should have gone for ice cubes in his butt.

I'm glad he lived.  You're lucky it worked, or he is rather.  Sometimes fentanyl binds tightly to your receptors, and narcan doesn't work.  I have heard anecdotes where it took multiple shots to get someone to come to after a fentanyl overdose. 

Just fyi, but bupe is water soluble.  17mg/ml solubility in water, and 42 in alcohol.  It might actually have been the bupe that did the trick and not the narcan.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on July 21, 2016, 01:23:56 AM
I have read both before. So the bupe could have been so strong it pushed enough of the fent off his receptors to snap him out of it?  either way that's definitely what saved him. Crazy as it sounds.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: DirtyJerzy on July 21, 2016, 01:32:41 AM
Bupe is most def water soluble, other wise banging subutex wouldn't do shit for me, and it most certainly does.

I've also read about someone being brought out of an OD with subs, don't recall if if was suboxone or subutex, as that would tell if it was the bupe or the narcan that did it. I also suspect it was the bupe, ripping the opiates off the receptors.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: DeadCat on July 21, 2016, 01:55:14 AM
I have long imagined that this would work. That was good tinking on your part and I am glad it din't have uexpected nagative consequences, like if it din't work and you had to call paramedics and someone told them what you had tried you might have caught a court case. But at least that dind't happeni and all's well the ends well, as they used to say.

You mentioned the relivive solubility of both buprenorphine and naloxone. I am not sure but I thought they were both water soluble and neither icould be matabolized by swallowing. I think that would mean either the bupe and the naloxone would work when injected. So if you just had straight biprenorphine (aka subtext) instead of combination that is found in Suboxon3.

Good to know it works staying under a town's police rafar is always a good idea.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Chip on July 21, 2016, 02:13:47 AM
Iamonheroin, you are a legend. Someone owes you their life. Good stuff !

Did you go IV or IM? I assume you went IV but I must ask ...
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on July 21, 2016, 02:48:45 AM
IV..When he came to after a while he says "I'm still trying to figure out where you did it at.." he had a fat vein in his left forearm I could have hit from across the room.

And yea I looked it up both naloxone and bupe are water soluble. I used only half a 4 mg strip. I can't decide which one or if both combined was the trick but it worked.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: candy on July 21, 2016, 04:10:00 AM
It's a great feeling when you can revive someone. Good thing you were around your friend.
What's scary is not always knowing what's in the dope and having to guess at how much to give in terms of reversing the OD.
You did good. 

Have you considered getting a few Narcan kits to keep handy. This way there is no guessing and they can now be administered nasally.
I am not sure where you are at, but if you can get your hands on a kit, I would recommend it.
The Narcan kits should be available at any and every pharmacy, in a perfect world I know.
Let's hope that happens soon.

Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Zoops on July 21, 2016, 05:28:26 AM
Hey that's awesome! Good work, homie! Since naloxone sometimes doesn't work in fent overdoses, I suspect it was in large part due to the buprenorphine, and not the naloxone. The EMTs would be at a loss if they shot him up with Narcan and got no response. Sure as hell they wouldn't have dared to shoot the guy up with a sub strip. And I bet that's what saved his life.

I think it might be one of those "God things" that happened and you were part of it.

How was the guy after he came to? Any PWD?

Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: nikita70 on July 21, 2016, 09:22:06 AM
Iamonheroin, you are a legend. Someone owes you their life. Good stuff !

Did you go IV or IM? I assume you went IV but I must ask ...

I think you did a good, I mean really GOOD job @Iamonheroin
You have a ground to be proud of yourself, not anyone would be in position/able to do it.
You prove you're some cool-heady guy (or how it calls in English), with some great reflexes...
Plus you've considered different options before.
This game we're all playing here gets kinda war-like sometimes.
This is like not to leave wounded/dying mate alone on the battlefield, excuse my  exaltation, please.

Respect to you.

Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on July 21, 2016, 01:18:36 PM
I am in Missouri I think I've read something about narcan kits being available here now. Or there's a program where u can take a class and get  some or something.

And no PWDs. He didn't notice any really and I couldn't tell. The only thing other than his body being really sore was he kept complaining about ringing in his ears for a while afterwards. And he said he could hardly hear I was pretty much having to yell at him for him to hear me.

Now I wonder if it would have been actual heroin he had done if it would have worked? I had no idea about naloxone not working  for fent od. The only other time I almost tried this was years ago and it was tar that caused od but someone called 911 right before I was going to mix up a shot so I decided to wait for the ambulance. Looking back that could have done more damage than good. All the stars aligned this time I guess.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: theSWPK on July 21, 2016, 01:53:04 PM
Good for you, better for them. I'm glad you avoided a tragedy.
I once revived an OD victim with an injection of a crushed up naltrexone tablet.

If it's OK with the admins/mods I can help you to get in touch with these 2 people who will mail you a care package that includes new needles, filters, prep pads, but lost importantly 2 vials of naloxone (narcan).

If anyone objects just let me know.

Also, I know some of you guys could use some free syringes. If you are able to / can afford just fine to buy your rigs, please don't request them, or just ask specifically for only narcan. The people running this don't have unlimited resources.

It was some of their narcan that revived me about a month and a half ago.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on July 21, 2016, 02:10:35 PM
Somebody had given me a bag full of those tablets and that's what I was looking for at first but they are lost now. So suboxone was the next option. I had subutex too but I went with a strip since it had the naloxone.

And yes I'm set on clean rigs for a while but narcan kits would be very good to have handy. Never know when u may need one or if I ever od my gf may save me with one.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: theSWPK on July 21, 2016, 02:22:23 PM
I just read your post about your friend, how he couldn't gear very well when he came to. The same thing happened to me, except I didn't have ringing or just didn't notice it due to having tinnitus. It was just super muffled, as if u was wearing double hearing protection (ear plugs in with noise blocking earmuffs over the ears). It lasted about 10 or 15 minutes or so. Is this a common opiate OD symptom?
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: dizzle on July 21, 2016, 02:43:28 PM
Hey just so u know, you said "someone gave me some of those tablets" naloxone doesn't generally ever come in pill form, but NALTREXONE" does. Naltrexone is like naloxone on steroids. No joke. The only time you shouldEVER EVER EVER shoot up someone with a habit with one of those is if u tried 12mgs of bupe already and that didn't work. Naltrexone WILL bring just about anything off the receptors and for a longer time. Think intense extended precipitated withdrawals.

FYI it likely wasn't the naloxone but the bupe that ripped to off the receptors, iirc bupe has a higher bonding coefficient than naloxone and therefore will be the mainly active substance. While naloxone may play a part at some of the receptors the bupe is the main reason that dude didn't die.

Another FYI, had you had to call the ambo, the first thing you do after calling 911 is empty yours and his pockets, take all dope and paraphernalia and stash it somewhere, then drag him outside by the door, all the while making sure he isn't goon blue, if he is, give him some breaths to force oxygen into his body. By the time the ambo and pigs show up you should have all cell phones, dope and paraphernalia in the house, which is locked, and you and he are outside. You tell hem he just showed up at your place and rang the doorbell and he went out after u opened it. This way the pigs cannot search ur place as there is no reasonable suspicion you were involved. Whatever they threaten u with DO FUCKKNG NOT OPEN THE DOOR UNTIL THEY LEAVE. You tell the ambo that u think he has been using drugs as he has been asking u for money lately. They'll know to hit him with Narcan. Also it doesn't implicate u at all. Stay safe folks!!!

Finally, let me say congrats, you literally saved a life!!!

Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: bonedust on July 21, 2016, 03:37:19 PM
I just read your post about your friend, how he couldn't gear very well when he came to. The same thing happened to me, except I didn't have ringing or just didn't notice it due to having tinnitus. It was just super muffled, as if u was wearing double hearing protection (ear plugs in with noise blocking earmuffs over the ears). It lasted about 10 or 15 minutes or so. Is this a common opiate OD symptom?

My hearing was muffled after an OD too, and my sight was blurry. As I was coming out of it (husband hit me with Narcan) it felt like I was looking and hearing my husband from under water.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on July 21, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
Naltrexone pills my friend gave me were prescribed for managing cravings I think he said. This is why I'm glad I post this stuff I keep learning more and more. At first that's what I was looking for good thing they've disappeared.

And good idea about dragging him outside the door. I had cleaned up everything in my room and put all drug shit & phones in a bag to stash outside. Luckily I didn't make it to that part of the plan. Being a weekly pay hotel like setting idk how the law works so I was going to put him in the bathroom and come up with a story. Other than that pretty much planned to do everything you said.

It is still hard to believe how it played out. Like I said he was outt almost an hour not getting better. My gf and I began to high five and were so relieved when we saw the shot start to kick in. His habit is minimal he comes up once a week gets a day or 2 worth of dope and goes back nothing for 4 or 5 days and so on. Been that way for a month or so. That's why I didn't use a whole strip plus safe to start small I figured same as dope.

Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Z on July 21, 2016, 05:51:23 PM
Yeah, Naltrexone is a longer acting version of Naloxone.  It can take longer to kick in as well, and isn't usually recommended during an overdose.  I mean, if the choice is dead or naltrexone then obviously you choose the naltrexone.  It just wouldn't be the first choice to reverse an overdose for opioids.


CPR can be a great thing to know too.  As long as someone has a pulse you don't even think about doing compressions, but you can make sure that the ABC's are all good.  Meaning Airway Breathing and Circulation.  Make sure there is nothing in their mouth.  Make sure their tongue hasn't flopped over the back of the throat and blocking airflow.  Put one hand behind the head and one under their chin and tilt their head back to open up the airway if they are having trouble breathing.  If someone is breathing alright, but isn't conscious, then you can put them into the rescue position:


(https://forum.drugs-and-users.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_Z8u7wZEAaFQ%2FTDTCmKNX0BI%2FAAAAAAAAAC8%2F6DrZlUxpUp4%2Fs1600%2FRecovery_position.gif&hash=46a9cc21abbeccfa1047d4e02ec98545a7f154f3)


There are quite a few write ups on CPR, First Aid and the like.  I would recommend a course to everyone.  I go every two years personally.  At first it was for work, but I have gone myself even when they chose not to pay for it one year.  It's the kind of thing you never want to use, but if you need to use it you definitely will be glad you know how.


You could browse through this site: http://www.firstaidweb.com/adult1.html  I just found it on google and haven't totally gone through it.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Thoms on July 21, 2016, 06:16:40 PM
That is great your friend made it out alive. It was maybe 5 or 6 months ago when my girlfriend od'd when we were smoking fent. Even with a month of smoking a shit ton of patches she went out like a light bulb. Fent ain't no fucking joke that's for sure.
To touch on some good hr try to use with some one you trust and talk about a plan for when either one of you od because sooner or later it will happen and during the situation is no time to decide what to do.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Chip on July 21, 2016, 08:49:06 PM
CPR has saved my life once due to an OD - one of two times, the other being with Narcan.

Thom's OD pact is a very good idea and I have entered into one a few times but it is easy to forget because we tend to think that the dope won't be as good or we are too preoccupied with the shot and finding a spot to get it in.

Heroin and other opiates can easily kill you and you must not forget that ... users of Bupe are safer though but people on Methadone can still OD too.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: nikita70 on July 22, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
Hey just so u know, you said "someone gave me some of those tablets" naloxone doesn't generally ever come in pill form, but NALTREXONE" does. Naltrexone is like naloxone on steroids. No joke. The only time you shouldEVER EVER EVER shoot up someone with a habit with one of those is if u tried 12mgs of bupe already and that didn't work. Naltrexone WILL bring just about anything off the receptors and for a longer time. Think intense extended precipitated withdrawals.
(...)
Another FYI, had you had to call the ambo, the first thing you do after calling 911 is empty yours and his pockets, take all dope and paraphernalia and stash it somewhere, then drag him outside by the door, all the while making sure he isn't goon blue, if he is, give him some breaths to force oxygen into his body. By the time the ambo and pigs show up you should have all cell phones, dope and paraphernalia in the house, which is locked, and you and he are outside. You tell hem he just showed up at your place and rang the doorbell and he went out after u opened it. This way the pigs cannot search ur place as there is no reasonable suspicion you were involved. Whatever they threaten u with DO FUCKKNG NOT OPEN THE DOOR UNTIL THEY LEAVE. You tell the ambo that u think he has been using drugs as he has been asking u for money lately. They'll know to hit him with Narcan. Also it doesn't implicate u at all. Stay safe folks!!!
(...)

@dizzle

Hey, dude, you're either so smart/clever, either pretty experienced and versed. Or both of them, as I believe.

I do really like the way you're kinda "constantly alerted" as for terms of this game.
This is really not the first time as you kinda always care on people, trying to make them sure/admonish not to be lightheartly, and adding your few cents (actually it's much more than just "few cents", like 1000$ or so, lol) what could be awry perceived as "reducing" some lofty and good deed to the pracsis/first lesson, so to say. Just flesh&blood, so to say.

Kinda tough love, huh?

I like you to be attentive instead of (too much) idealistic in this game, as I am way way highway too much.
 


Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Thoms on July 22, 2016, 10:45:02 AM
Can you go into more detail about the timeline of events as it sounds like the fent just wore off. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on July 22, 2016, 05:02:20 PM
Yea I didn't think about that but I suppose it could have played a part. As I said before I guess all the stars aligned perfectly for him. I could tell I had a clean hit in his vein and also right after the shot you could just tell that's what snapped him out of it tho.

I say it was about an hour from the time he became unconscious after the shot to when I did the suboxone shot on him. I figured that because he was here about 15 minutes before he shot up the fent and after he came to he checked his phone after 15 min or so and said fuck ive been here an hour and a half. Idk exactly the times but it was close to an hour give or take a few.

But he did the shot of fent and within a minute was totally unconscious and unresponsive in my kitchen. I had yet to even start mixing my stuff up. He stayed that way for an hour and was lookin like shit. Blue lips pale face / skin damp clammy skin. Shit even coming out of his mouth and nose. While he was like this I did a shot cleaned the room up and formulated a plot to lay out for when my gf called 911. The last ditch effort was to take half the 4 mg strip and mix it up in 50 units of water and try that. If nothing we do the other half real quick. Then 911 time. About 10 to 20 seconds after I shot it in him he started moaning and moving for the first time since he fell out of the chair. That's why I think it was the sub shot. The hour before could have made a difference also tho. Just like I said all the stars aligned perfectly for him that minute and he was lucky for sure. Im not sure what would have happened in any other situation with him but if it's down to me in my shoes with my background involving the authorities things are definitely serious. I do know that much. Like ur for real dying or close if I'm gonna put myself in that position.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on July 22, 2016, 06:01:10 PM
OK, maybe I'm gonna get flamed for this but I have to say it...
So, dude was literally blue with shit coming out of his mouth & nose. And you took the time to mix up a shot & fix, then clean up BEFORE you even tried to resuscitate him?? Wtf? I'm glad you aren't my using partner. That's some cold shit right there. It's lucky that he lived once you got around to helping him.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: bonedust on July 22, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
OK, maybe I'm gonna get flamed for this but I have to say it...
So, dude was literally blue with shit coming out of his mouth & nose. And you took the time to mix up a shot & fix, then clean up BEFORE you even tried to resuscitate him?? Wtf? I'm glad you aren't my using partner. That's some cold shit right there. It's lucky that he lived once you got around to helping him.


This part bothered me as well. BUT let's remember an OD is a traumatic thing and sometimes people aren't thinking straight. I would think he learned from this. Please don't let people get to the "blue phase" cuz their brains/bodies are starving for oxygen. When I OD'd both times I asked my husband if I was blue. He said he didn't let it get that far. I had seizures both times and when I dropped and started flopping that's when he hit me with the Narcan.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: plasticmanpaperface on July 22, 2016, 08:35:14 PM
I've been on suboxone and Buprenorphine for about six months now.  don't get shit off the film, and only get a little something off the tabs(Bup,) after many days of doing without. I can't see even bothering with injecting those useless strips. but that's me.

Does you Buprenorphine doc ban you taking benzos? because mine does....not that that's stopped from taking my ativan
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on July 22, 2016, 11:51:17 PM
Lol yes it does sound bad however my gf who doesn't shoot dope was around helping him at first. Also the week prior he was over and the same thing happened with some normal dope and she was able to revive him by slapping him around for 5 or 10 minutes. So I had kind of hoped that would be the case again he would just come to after she was smacking him around.

Ur right if I was the only one there that would be pretty fucked up but I can't say exactly how I would have acted. I've never been the only person around Durning an OD and I usually keep the most calm of anyone involved. Idk how I'd react on my own. All I can say is I was hoping it would be a case like the previous week and my gf would fix things

I haven't had a doctor for suboxone for like 4 years. And I'm not sure what his rules were for taking benzos. These subs I scored on the street and just have for when I want to quit or an emergency. I've never shot any kind of bupe and this is the first time I've ever mixed up a shot of it.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on July 23, 2016, 02:04:25 AM
Well, that does make me feel better knowing your gf was there helping. I didn't mean to come off as a total bitch, but the way you worded it before just sounded kinda fucked up. The bottom line is that the dude lived and I guess that is ultimately all that matters.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Dog Food on July 23, 2016, 03:55:45 AM
Just a fyi,  once a person stops breathing, you only have like 5 to 7 minutes or so to get narcan or some antagonist in them before they go brain dead.  An hour seems like this guy was either gonna come back on his own or die (if it was that severe of an od like no pulse or anything). Cause ive seen someone fall out in a car, and get driven to a hospital ten mins later, get narcaned, and wake up alive but no brain activity from lack of oxygen.

Someone can go unconscious and still be alive then wake up 30 mins or longer, ive done it myself many times. Its not a lights out no pulse where narcan is needed but still technically an od.

I still dont know tho, cause when i shot like just under 2mgs of a sub pill (bupe and nalox) about 15 hours after my last h shot, i immediately knew something was very wrong.  Pwd is no joke the worst ive ever felt by far. I just don't get how this guy didn't wake up in the same pwd's that i was in, cause i couldnt do anything but lay in my bed shaking for at least an hour or two until it slowly got better over the next 24 hours or so
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: nikita70 on July 23, 2016, 07:24:58 AM
OK, maybe I'm gonna get flamed for this but I have to say it...
So, dude was literally blue with shit coming out of his mouth & nose. And you took the time to mix up a shot & fix, then clean up BEFORE you even tried to resuscitate him?? Wtf? I'm glad you aren't my using partner. That's some cold shit right there. It's lucky that he lived once you got around to helping him.

Shit, @Dopeless Hopefiend , I OBVIOUSLY had to miss it. What was the feed for thoughts to me is why the fuck the interval between OD and the "answer", so to say, was 1 hour long... But I have assigned it to my poor command in English and incomprehension.

Plus, @Dog Food ,
that's what I was wonder about, too. Even if this guy got relived/reverse successfully or how it calls, he would end up as a vegatable as well.

By the other hand... let's keep in mind we're all JUNKIES, constantly trying to compromise with being fair and what our habit requires.
So please be indulging and appreciate someone owes his life this guy, ANYWAY. 

 
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: dizzle on July 23, 2016, 10:44:20 AM
for the record, if someone goes out and starts getting bluelipped, open their mouth, make sure their tongue isn't in their throat, pinch their nose and put your mouth on theirs and blow. You'll see their chest inflate with air, you'll see color start to return, do that until the ambo gets there or in between prepping the suboxone shot or finding the naloxone. it saved one of my friends lives when I did it. The ambo got there and was like "whoa he hasn't been out long, he's not even blue yet" and I said "no that's because I did rescue breathing" and they scoffed at me and said "it also looks like you tried to put water up his nose", they were convinced I was a stupid junkie. I said "no, I splashed him with cold water to try to keep him awake and breathing on his own after he stopped, I called you and gave him rescue breathing till you arrived. matter of fact, hold on, I think I have a video of it, I'll post it here, I didn't post the whole rescue breathing thing, but you can see him go out, for sure. Gimme a min:
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Z on July 23, 2016, 11:23:44 AM
It sounds like his shallow breathing made it get worse as time went on.  I doubt he was blueberry-like and the op was cooking his shot over him and hanging out for an hour.  It sounds like he did his best by his friend, and we shouldn't attack him for that.  By all means we should provide info, and advice for the next time it happens.  Maybe it will help someone in a similar situation.  I just don't want to see the op get attacked for doing what he could. 

If you consider that some people wouldn't call an ambulance, and even just dump their dead "friend" somewhere else so they don't get I  trouble, then what happened here doesn't sound so cold.  It sounds like he was concerned and u sure what to do.  When it got bad enough that he had to act he did. 

Speaking only as a member, let's keep it positive and constructive please.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on September 11, 2016, 03:34:41 PM
Update.. Well I actually did this same thing again. This time it was an acquaintance who had been clean for a couple months.

He did a shot and once again it was fent not dope and he was aware of this before hand. He put 10 dollars worth in a rig and was planning to shoot half then and half later. he was just coming thru town on a trip for business and his boss wanted some shit so im guessing since his boss wanted some he could get it he caved and decided to get high.

Anyway they got a mix of shit half the beans were fent half were dope.  He did the fent ones. He did not even half the shot and same as the other guy pretty much flopped instantly. This guy even faster since he had barely pushed 30 units in and didn't even get the rig out of his arm.

After about 10 min maybe 15 min of trying everything we could my friend (same dude from this origional post that flopped in my kitchen) and girl who I was with said it was getting bad and this is not good. Pretty much saying yea this dude needs medical help asap. So I took about 2 mg of a sub strip and hit him with it and instantly he came to.

Everything was just like my original post except we were in a car and he was out for around 10 or 15 min not almost an hour.. This guy came to way faster tho almost instantly after I shot it in him.

Anyway I did it again as a last resort before calling 911. I shot a guy up with 2 mg of a sub strip and he snapped back immediately.  Still have only done this when it was purely fent being done so idk what would happen if it was dope.

But yea so I have personally done this twice now. Not saying it's safe or good at all but I may have saved 2 lives now with this method.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Chip on September 11, 2016, 09:07:45 PM
You are a regular saint.

I can't express enough about how much I think you are a vital member of the community.

Two lives could be destroyed if it weren't for your quick thinking.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on September 11, 2016, 10:54:42 PM
Definitely no saint but in those particular incidents I was a life saver maybe.  Both times after I revived them the high from that is almost like idk if is relief mixed with adrenaline and just feeling like that positive I actually did something good feeling. Felt nice.

Ya if anyone can tell me how I can get some narcan I think I need some of that lol. Idk how or why but the subs have worked twice. But some actual narcan would come in handy in case someone flops off of some real dope and not fent. Like I said  haven't both my experience s were fent ods
 
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Chip on September 11, 2016, 11:39:14 PM
If there is stuff that contains fent in your area the please post a descriptive warning.

It's really important that you do so.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Iamonheroin on September 12, 2016, 01:04:38 AM
i am in stl and there is fent all over white powder. most around here know that. but yea white powder that comes back a clear solution.

But i read some other posts in the scene saying that some h could actually pull back clear.
i was always under the impression if it pulls back clear it is fent. So is that true or can some heroin actually be clear when mixed with water?

I was under the impression any h no matter how pure will have a light tan tint or some sort or brown tint to it.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Chip on September 12, 2016, 03:27:14 AM
I still think you should start a new post with a clear warning as I have no idea what stl means.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on September 12, 2016, 03:29:04 AM
Do you guys have any needle exchange programs there? Here they all give out narcan, they want people to have it. They also offer a class on how to use it correctly. Also, I'm not sure if it varies from state to state, but I thought that a lot of the big pharmacy chains were stocking it now, and you can buy it w/o a prescription. At least they are here.

@chipper STL is St. Louis.
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Güey on April 25, 2017, 02:48:52 AM
^^^^ This clown :( Necro's an old thread to plug his site. I checked it out- this guy has every damn drug known to man jaja. I'm sure it's 100% legit...

Just curious, tho... What in the hell is 'Charlie Sheen Powder'???
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: Z on April 25, 2017, 03:17:19 AM
^^^^ This clown :( Necro's an old thread to plug his site. I checked it out- this guy has every damn drug known to man jaja. I'm sure it's 100% legit...

Just curious, tho... What in the hell is 'Charlie Sheen Powder' ???


Deleted the post, but there are some bizzare slang attempts to try to get search hits. 
Title: Re: I actually injected a person with a suboxone strip and reversed an overdose.
Post by: bignasty on August 09, 2018, 09:30:33 PM

Just fyi, but bupe is water soluble.  17mg/ml solubility in water, and 42 in alcohol.  It might actually have been the bupe that did the trick and not the narcan.
If naloxone truly isn't orally bioavailable like they say but I honestly doubt, then it was most likely the bupe in my situation. Me and my SO split a shot. She did hers first and said she was feeling good but fell out while I was in bathroom doing mine. I freaked out and got her in my car and went to a pharmacy that's literally just around the corner from my house and asked them if they could legally sell narcan 'cause I had someone in my car that was OD'ing and not breathing. They wouldn't do it and offered to call an ambulance.

So I drove towards the hospital and was giving CPR or just breathing for her at red lights or whenever I could safely do it and still drive. But I thought about it at one red light and gave her a quarter of a sub strip so 2mgs bupe and .5 naloxone. I put it under her tongue and continued the drive and rescue breathing.

Within 5-10 mins and just in time as I was pulling into the ER parking lot, she started to come to and didn't know WTF was going on. I made her get out and walk around the car a few times before I left the hospital. I wanted to make sure she was truly okay before I left.

She was still buzzed and feeling good but the sub strip had brought her out of her OD and got her breathing on her own again. I guess I used the perfect amount as I'm sure she would've been in PWDs if I had given her a whole strip or maybe even half a strip but I was more concerned about her living than PWDs at the time so I'm surprised I didn't give her a whole strip.

^This might not be the perfect harm reduction since I truly believe everybody using opiates/opioids or living with someone using them (RX'd or not. abusing them or using them as RX'd) should get a bottle of narcan. But it's better than nothing for folks that are desperate and who refuse to call 911 for whatever reason.

I wish they'd do a study on this because it seems to work for alot of people but I feel bad for even telling my story because it might not work for everybody and could make the situation worse if someone is opiate naive and given 8mgs of bupe when they're already OD'ing.
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