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Title: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Lolleedee on September 15, 2015, 07:30:27 AM
Hi, All!! I know most of us are aware of the dangers of extracting fentanyl from patches.  The danger of not knowing exactly how much active drug is extracted, not to mention all the dangers of fentanyl's "thin line between Whoo-hoo and blue" has usually lead me to believe that sharing extraction techniques for patches was a bad idea....until now.

A young guy in my town and his friend tried to extract fentanyl from a gel patch using, of all things, ethylene glycol (antifreeze).  One is dead and one is in a coma on life support with a very poor prognosis.  I have no idea where they got this idea from, but because of this I am rescinding my former position on not sharing safer extraction techniques.

I feel that it is like talking about dosage,,proceed at your own risk, take precautions by not using alone, having narcan available, having one person be a "sitter" etc. 

The reality is that people are going to try to extract this stuff for injection.  I think we should encourage people not to do it, yet provide a SAFER way to do it if they do not heed our warning (ya' know, harm reduction!! ;D)

I know there were techniques over on Opiophile, but those are, I am assuming, lost.  So, if anyone has some real world knowledge here, I think it would be a good idea to put them here.

Somewhere out there someone is googling "how to extract fent gel for IV".  Let's try to provide some solid, harm reductionist principles here.

I can't help but think if these two boys (early 20's..to me they are still boys! I'm getting old!) had searched and found this site, this tragedy could have been avoided!
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Jethro on September 15, 2015, 12:11:38 PM
Sad report .
     Though it prolly happens a lot.
"I read on the internet . . . sumpthin , sumpthin, "Glycol". . .  this should work".
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Lolleedee on September 15, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
So true.  I just looked up ethylene glycol and it says on injestion it breaks down into glycolic acid...They probably thought "great, an acid...probably like citric acid...that breaks down drugs, right??"  So fucking scary.  That's why I think a safer technique, with appropriate warnings (ie: DON'T FUCKING DO IT!!!) could potentially save lives.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Narkotikon on September 15, 2015, 03:06:59 PM
So true.  I just looked up ethylene glycol and it says on injestion it breaks down into glycolic acid...They probably thought "great, an acid...probably like citric acid...that breaks down drugs, right??"  So fucking scary.  That's why I think a safer technique, with appropriate warnings (ie: DON'T FUCKING DO IT!!!) could potentially save lives.

Or they thought acid as in LSD.  You're right though; if they had taken the time to research a bit, they most likely would still be alive and / or well.  Unfortunately there are a lot of impulsive, reckless drug users out there.

As for me, hell, I'd have just been thrilled I had a gel patch and smoked that shit. 
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: NZniceguy on September 15, 2015, 04:18:28 PM
Some drugs dissolve in propylene glycol and these guys most likely confused it for ethylene glycol.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Anti-hero on September 15, 2015, 08:25:04 PM
I was gonna post
Some Shit about safe extractions
I really had a love affair with fent

But really just don't fuck with that Shit
I have almost gave myself
The Darwin award
More than once
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Z on September 15, 2015, 10:21:22 PM
Mylan patches break down pretty easy using heat, time and an acid like citric or vinegar.  I would let a patch simmer for an hour in a mildly acidic solution and had good results.  I like the mylan patches because the dosage is consistently spread throughout.  Ie half a patch is half a patch.

The problem with gel is mostly that from my understanding.  The fentanyl can be unevenly distributed through the gel.  Most people squeeze out a blob and smoke it.  If you want to ov it is as easy as gel + acid + water from what I have heard.  Never dome it.  A safetyeasure might be to cook up a whole patch at once and then divide the dosage down.  If you mix it using bacteriostatic water it should stay good for a few weeks.

Opiophile advocated an isopropyl alcohol extraction.  Simmer patch+iso in a double boiler for a while.  Remove patch, let iso evaporate.  You are left with a white dust.  Scrape it and enjoy, or add water and mix.  I had mixed results with this method.  Yes it worked.  10mg of powder, or even worse 2.5mg, is tiny and hard to work with.  I always felt like I lost some, and dosing becomes dangerous.  Measure out 0.5mg of powder, and it is barely anything.  This is a large large dose for many.  I feel like this would work ok for extracting a months worth of patches.  I have also cheeks a patch after iso and had an effect.  It doesn't get it all off.

Ah, cheeking.  The harm reduction gold standard.  Cut your mylan patches, fold it in half sticky side out, and put it up between your gums and cheek.  Just leave it there.  In an hour you will feel okay.  Getting to much effect?  Take it out for a bit.  Need more effect?  Put a piece in the other side.  Pretty much bullet proof.

Another way some do my labs is to put a piece on foil, and put a lighter underneath.  Don't heat it to fast.  Hold a straw over top and sick in the smoke.  Be careful, some of the fentanyl will vaporize before you see smoke.  Best way is to lightly suck the whole time the lighter is there.  Yummy plastic taste too!

Maybe they were trying to make a mix to vaporize in an ecig.  The media often confuses ethylene glycol and propylene glycol.  The used to report that e juice contained antifreeze fairly often.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Fluffhead on August 14, 2016, 11:26:14 PM
Got a couple 75mcg mylan patches (non gel) type.  I put a small piece in my mouth but I don't feel shit. I read some about a double boiler and alcohol, I'll kinds of different stuff. Is there anything that is simple  that I could do to help potentiate this.

 This is my only hope. I had a severe injury and cannot get off the bed so anything too tricky in the kitchen I would have to ask my wife for which is not an option. If it's something simple like one suggestion was rinsing my mouth out with alcohol   Or another one was something similar to putting it on water and heating it for 10 seconds then drinking the water and putting the pads in the mouth  ?!?

 I don't know y'all, anything would help at this point I was really hoping it was going to be the gels. I have stopped shooting so smoking snorting whatever but no needle could be involved even if it was somehow possible.  Any help would be appreciated, I've been on the Internet for about two hours rather not just stick this thing on my fucking arm.  God I miss the phile. Please and thanks in advance.

 Sorry if there are typos, I am doing type to text. I am really fucked up in the game rods going through my leg &  surgery on Monday. I ordered the seeds and they fucked up on the shipping they won't be here till Tuesday even though I paid extra for them to be here today everything has gone wrong this is my last chance other than a few perks fives from an asshole doctor. Please & thanks. Will wait as long as I can to hear from you guys
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Catsfordrugs on August 15, 2016, 12:34:19 AM
 Check Z's post right above yours. He was saying to break down in water with heat and citric or vinegar. I suppose you could dry out the water after that and be left with a small but potent amount of powder. Or divide up the water and just drink it. Just make sure to measure the water and make your calculations based on the strength of the patch (obviously). 

Most importantly, be careful. I know that feeling shitty plus being in pain can lead to some desperation and haste, and that shit can sneak up on you pretty quick. Go from feeling nothing to feeling a lot/falling out, pretty quick.

Anyway, sorry I don't have instructions or a "how to" recipe. Just wanted to point out that Z's post started specifically about mylans. Maybe you'll find something helpful there. Sorry u are having such a shitty time with the pain level and not getting any relief. You should most definitely be able to find some with a handful of fent patched though. Good luck. Hope you get what you're looking for.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: DirtyJerzy on August 15, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
I don't know, but personally I always got way higher smoking the gel then I did shooting it.

To be clear, smoking it is dangerous as fuck, as is any ingestion of fent, but I always felt like I got way more bang for my buck smoking patches.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Fentfiend420 on August 15, 2016, 10:37:21 PM
When I had a scrip for 75mcg patches,i always smoked the gel when I changed my patch! Got quite good at vaping it pretty well. It's like the crack of opi's. The duration isn't to long. Always liked to rub a little gel on my gums to.

Got to respect the fent though. Thats for sure!!
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Thoms on August 16, 2016, 02:13:29 AM
I found the best was to let the gel dry on its on where it turns into a film and then run that on foil. Tolerance builds real quick though and by the end of our fent run where we basically had an unlimited supply of fent we were running three to four patches at a time. We did have to call the ambulance once during that time though. I won't explain how I came up on those patches but it was about a terrible thing disguised as a blessing. Our tolly was blown through the roof and a few hours after running some fent the sickness was coming on strong. We didn't ever find any reason to shoot the fent even though we were banging everything else.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Snoop on August 19, 2016, 03:17:32 PM
Can't find a good chemical to base out this FENTANYL with.....

Oh wait. Here's some ANTI-FREEZE.

This ought to do it.

?????

I'm truly sorry for the tragedy.... sincerely. I am.

But Jesus Christ.

On what planet would that be even close to a good idea?

I cringe at the idea of what that must have come on like... doesn't it form Xstals in your major organs and bloodstream?

Ugh.... poor folks.

Just goes to show the endless ill-perceived boundaries of safe and efficient, along with how far addicts will take it for a ride.

Rough way to go.

Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: moterhead on August 21, 2016, 03:33:06 AM
Hi all! Been checking out the post. For some good
info on fent patch extraction and doses etc, search
4 the PDF.' injecting fentanyl -minamising the odds'.
Its out if oz harm reduction. Cheers MHD.
?
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Fluffhead on August 29, 2016, 07:28:38 AM
I posted a long reply on the fent brand topic by accident last night. Shoulda probably gone here. Short version, got some watson 50 gels would like to smoke remainder before trashing. Any tips/tricks on smoking. Last time I feel like I wasted it. Plz & thanks for the help. Message me if ya preffer. Maybe you guys will see them both or I can get Chipper to move & replace. Thanks for any help
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Thoms on August 29, 2016, 07:07:17 PM
@Fluffhead the best thing to do is to let that gel dry to a fold and then run it on foil. Over time you can decide what shape works for you as far as the foil goes. I always liked sort of a long canoe shape except with the end folded back over my thumb to direct the vapor toward the pen. You just stuff the film back into that little cove. Just hold the lighter I would say two inches from the bottom and sort of breath out good before you light it so your lungs are empty to take a hit. Go slow. There is a small small line between felling high and falling out. I mean it's like half a hit. You rolly won't get much from one patch but that just depends on you tolly I guess. Good luck.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: theSWPK on August 29, 2016, 11:45:35 PM
I posted a long reply on the fent brand topic by accident last night. Shoulda probably gone here. Short version, got some watson 50 gels would like to smoke remainder before trashing. Any tips/tricks on smoking. Last time I feel like I wasted it. Plz & thanks for the help. Message me if ya preffer. Maybe you guys will see them both or I can get Chipper to move & replace. Thanks for any help

This is for gel patches

Cut a tiny slit on one end of the gel patch, place on hard smooth surface like a table or counter. Place a piece of foil underneath the oatch  Use a credit card to push out every last bit of gel.

Make sure to press hard with the card. You'd be surprised how much can be left if you don't use enough force.

This works great for gel patches that have already been worn, especially the Watson gels.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Thoms on August 30, 2016, 12:08:06 AM
I meant a film not a fold.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Lolleedee on August 30, 2016, 12:38:29 AM
Hi all! Been checking out the post. For some good
info on fent patch extraction and doses etc, search
4 the PDF.' injecting fentanyl -minamising the odds'.
Its out if oz harm reduction. Cheers MHD.
?

Thanks for the info. The title is injecting fentanyl-minimising the risks.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Blue90 on March 16, 2017, 06:21:29 AM
Hello All, I have a quick question. Somehow, I bought oxys that are actually Fentanyl from my friend. Now I am aware of the danger of taking such a stronger class of narcotic. However, I have been taking it for several weeks now. The issue I have with these is the fact the compound mix is causing my nose to be completely clogged, and causing my throat to hurt. As a result from this issue, I am looking for a way I can extract the fentanyl strictly from the pill. Is there a way I can do a cold water extraction with this? Please let me know what materials I need, and the instructions for extracting the material.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Thoms on March 16, 2017, 11:09:13 AM
What is the binder? You should be able to pull with ISO I would imagine and then dry . Don't take my word for that though. Someone else needs to weigh in first. Also the bioavailability of fent nasally is very low. One you pull the fent you should smoke it. Be warned that it will be a whole fuck ton stronger however.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Blue90 on March 16, 2017, 12:13:40 PM
Ok, could someone please give me some more details? I am not entirely sure what ISO is... I am assuming Rubbing alcohol?
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: ɹǝddᴉɥƆ on March 16, 2017, 05:00:11 PM
not rubbing alcohol -- ISO is Propan-2-ol or Isopropyl alcohol / tape head cleaner for the oldies.

rubbing alcohol is 90% or less.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Lolleedee on March 16, 2017, 09:37:03 PM
@Thoma..I know you have a ton of fentanyl experience.  I've always loved it..my favorite!  I wanted to know if you have ever broken down the gel for injection.  I know you might not want that on the board, but I have someone who is going to do this and I think I need to give some harm reduction advice.  He is planning on using vinegar or vodka...I think that is vein suicide.  Do you have a more sterile technique?  Even if you want to message it to me.  I know people have different thoughts on having this information available.  My thought is people are going to try and they are going to kill themselves trying...like the two kids from my area who died trying to break it down with anti-freeze...one died..the other is in a permanent vegitative state, on a vent in a long care facility completely unresponsive!  I'm afraid using vinegar or vodka is going to produce the same results!

Thanks for any advice you can provide!
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Thoms on March 17, 2017, 11:25:09 AM
Yes Christ both of those are shit ideas. There is no reason for the acidicness of conifer and I think shooting alcohol is pretty self explanatory. The gel for injection. Breaking down the gel to slam is where I got the ISO from for what the post a few above me from. Gel broken down with ISO and the that into water is how I would do it. That's if I were to do it which I never had. Make sure all the ISO is gone though as shooting that would be shit. I was always just happy to smoke it. Make sure to have a sitter and narcan on hand. The best results I ever had was from gel that had dried into a film. That was smoked on foil and it was hard to find that fine line. Anyway start low as fuck obviously.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Thoms on March 17, 2017, 11:27:03 AM
Btw opana blows fent way out of the water for me. Opana blows everything outta the water for me.
Fent was never really something that we choose, it came to us my a sort of bit of fate if you will. We didn't have anything else and somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 patches fell into our laps. We grew a tolerance that was out of this fucking world and we came very very close to killing ourselves on multiple occasions. I haven't really brought that up to anyone as it kind out sounds like I'm dick sizing. The reason I bring it up now is to tell people that your tolerance will continue to rise as far as you want to push it. Fucking up and up it will go. The only thing stopping it is you. So when you decide to dive head first into fent know that it will run you rampant. In a way that not many opiates will. Now I know that you have fucked with fent a good bit @Lolleedee but some of the other philes here haven't. In my opinion fent doesn't give very much euphoria compared to other opiates. Anyway I'm fucking babbling. To reiterate fent is on another level. IMO sort of like slamming your shit is. Be careful guys.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Blue90 on March 17, 2017, 11:32:33 AM
Where do you find search things? I currently have 91% ISOpropyl Rubbing Alcohol
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Lolleedee on March 17, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
Thanks, Thoms!  I have never injected fent either, except when given as a cocktail before surgery.  I think buccal use or smoking gives enough...slamming it is going to be a virtual nothing rush followed by virtual coma!  Unfortunately, people still try to do this stuff.  I don't think I would even try if it wasn't an ampule meant for injecting.

Anywho, I passed on the information with the disclosure that I think this is a fucking stupid move.  But, I can't really say much..in my active using days, I have done some pretty fucking stupid stuff...including trying my methadone in my PICC line.  I was amazed at the euphoria of pumping it all in at once...took mt breath away!  I actually did it twice, but I stopeed because I could see this becoming a real problem...once you start abusing maintenance med, where else do you have to go??  Also, I got a high fever both times (103.0).  The methadone we get is colorless and flavorless..It isn't the cherry crap with viscosity like syrup.  They mix it with water though and I have a feeling the microbes in the tap water were responsible for the fever...so no more experimenting for me!

Why did I go on that tangent???? 

Anywho, hopefully this guy is going to change his mind about this.  People are always going to look for ways to get higher, hence why legalization and being able to purchase drugs of known purity, is the only way I think we will get ahead of this nightmare..and Narcan..lots of Narcan!
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: ɹǝddᴉɥƆ on March 17, 2017, 04:16:58 PM
Where do you find search things? I currently have 91% ISOpropyl Rubbing Alcohol

Google isopropyl alcohol.
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Blue90 on March 25, 2017, 04:41:00 PM
So you use isopropyl alcohol to pour it on the pill and dissolve it? Then what? Do I get rid of the binders from it?
Title: Re: Safer Fentanyl Extraction Techniques
Post by: Z on March 26, 2017, 01:35:30 AM
Fentanyl dissolves well in iso but the binders don't.  You filter out the I so from the binders and the fentanyl is dissolves in the iso.  Evaporate it in a shallow container and you should be left with a microscopic amount of fine white powder.


91% will probably dissolve some binders.  I would try to find some 99% or dry it out with some Epsom salt.


Use a small container to evaporate if you can and try to keep the amount of alcohol small. Less than 2 ml ideally.


I don't know what exactly is in your mystery pill.  What fentanyl analogue is it?  What is the solubility is alcohol?  What binders exactly?  It might work and it might not. Isopropyl extraction should work fairly well, but the only way to know for sure is to try it unless you can give more information somehow.


Edit: Shooting fentanyl is pretty worthless like Lolleedee said.  A nothing rush and then you just fall asleep.  That's my experience at least.