WOW! THE WHOLE POINT JUST WHIZZED RIGHT PAST YOUR HEAD!
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PILLS LACED WITH HEROIN?!?!?!???
holy fuck! Call the police!
I can't believe you thought you were doing oxycodone (or hydromorphone) and you got diacetylmorphine, that's horrible! Doing roxys and dilaudid will never destroy your life, it's the HEROIN that destroys lives, roxys and dilaudids are definitely ok though!
There's such a big difference between heroin and strong pain pills!! In some countries heroin is used for pain! Can ya believe those crazy countries?!?!?!?
Obviously I was not referring to the heroin as being the deadly agent, as synthetic versions are what make up the compounds in the pain medications to begin with. ::) DUH!
What I am MORE concerned about is the *MULTIPLE DEATHS* being caused by the fentanyl and fentanyl analogs that are being passed off in pills, heroin, coke, meth....pretty much ANY drug on the street. Particularly with pain medications, hospitals are seeing increased deaths from overdoses because unbeknownst to the user, the fentanyl and analogs were taken in extremely high doses. The user, of course, thinks they've taken a 30mg roxy or 8mg Dilaudid (or whatever the count/dosage may be in their case). Since Naloxone is NOT effective at the doses administered for typical opiate ODs, these patients DO NOT RESPOND to treatment.
What amazes me is that someone would be so dense as to miss THAT vital point in what I was saying before. I specifically mentioned the encounter that I had personally because that is the only time I've had it happen to ME. It just so happened to be heroin, which, I might add, is NOT what I thought I was taking. I can take a half of a pain pill. I've been in pain management for YEARS and I never do more than 10-15mg of ANY opiate pain killer at a time so that I don't build too much tolerance to them because I NEED them for the constant, chronic pain that I deal with due to a crooked pelvis, pinched nerves, damaged nerves, ruptured discs, degenerating disks, both hips incorrectly positioned in the sockets, knees that are deteriorating, and a list of other medical problems that I have. Not that I make excuses for getting the pill, because I shouldn't be getting anything black market. And normally, anything over a hydro 10 is really just more than I can tolerate, so I should have avoided the roxys to begin with. But, I didn't and I learned my lesson. Just because heroin is the base that these synthetics were made from does not mean that EVERY SINGLE PERSON can easily switch between the two without issue. I, myself, can NOT. That's why I don't BUY heroin. It stands to reason that others may also have that issue. Not to mention the fact that it's one thing for you to put your own dope out on a spoon in the amount you desire, it is a whole separate thing for someone to give you a shot of something that you don't even know what or how much of it there is in that syringe. And that's what happens when someone makes pills out of heroin and passes them off as such. There's obviously a reason they're not just selling it AS heroin in the first place. If they have to bait and switch, it could be bc what's in the pill is not what people are looking for. It's a whole different ballgame. NOTHING is the same about taking heroin vs taking a Roxy or Dilaudid. The effects differ TREMENDOUSLY.
But, I digress...As I stated before...the OBVIOUS point you should take away is that there are pills being pressed in some guy's basement in Florida that you can buy for less than $1 a pill, and who knows what the hell they're made from? Could be nothing but gelatin base and some food coloring, but it COULD be something that, if ingested, could potentially KILL YOU or cause irreparable damage (ie; introducing plant matter into your bloodstream can lead to serious long term problems, blindness, and death for ONE example). YES...we all roll the dice when we purchase drugs. BUT, that doesn't mean you have to just roll over and play roulette with your life. You can get a test kit, or if you live in areas that offer safe places for users (like the wonderful injection clinics opening in Canada) you can ask the staff to test your product for purity to be sure that you're actually doing the drug you THINK you're doing, and can be prepared if you're not.
Just Google FENTANYL DEATHS CANADA and there are articles and stories galore like this one: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/overdose-death-statistics-2016-1.3941224
that discuss the dangers of fentanyl-laced products. And the US is right there with Canada, having story after story warning the public of the outrageous increase in OD deaths, all linked to Fentanyl/analogs, including that of infamous singer Prince last year.
Carfentanil is the elephant tranquilizer version of the medication, and is "10,000 times more potent than morphine and 100 times more potent than fentanyl. Carfentanil is so potent, that contact with an open wound could be fatal. It is so deadly, that it is banned by the Chemical Weapons Convention for use in battle." (USNews, 2017). I think it's safe to say that anyone taking an unknown amount of that strong of a drug thinking it's "just a Roxy" is taking a HUGE risk. I know people who pop 2 or 3 of those things at once and don't even flinch. If those 2 or 3 happened to be pressed with carfentail instead, those people would OD and die. Without question. The amount of Naloxone needed to treat for an OD of that magnitude is NOWHERE near what docs would administer to them.
I never said that drugs don't ruin lives. They obviously do. It doesn't matter if it's heroin or synthetically made opiates in pill form given to you by a dr, or shake & bake meth from a back alley.....they all lead to addictions that take over, ruin, and end lives of far too many people. My point is, and has been, that there are precautions you can take. And it was MY understanding that this site was meant for harm reduction and educating each other, not for some asshole to be crass and rude about a topic that he obviously knows absolutely NOTHING about, and apparently didn't even take the time to READ the initial post in the first place to note that I specifically mentioned the dangers being with the fentanyl laced pills.
I can't believe that you actually focused on THAT instead of the REAL message, which was meant to help potentially save someone who may not have known that this is becoming such a widespread issue.