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Core Topics => Substance Usage, Management, User Experiences etc. => Topic started by: gnossos on March 02, 2017, 03:43:13 PM
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who's ever felt like the only way to make yourself stop is to fuck over your dealer. (Especially with crack). Definitely an effective way to ensure you can't spend anymore of the money you no longer trust yourself with.
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Effective way to stop as you cant use when your DEAD.
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Given that your starting to think about this, you probably should look at going in patient somewhere, or at the very least go out and take a vacation in the middle of the woods. Or somewhere where you have no hope of getting in contact with anyone who has drugs. This line of thought is going to get you killed or imprisoned. You need to get help ASAP.
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I know what you mean. I often think the same exact thing and try to get my dealers to front as much as possible hoping one day I'll say fuck it and not pay them back and be done with them. But I always end up paying them or they'll text saying "don't worry about that so and so amount you owe me for now, just get me back when you can" cause they're missing my money everyday.
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I know what you mean. I often think the same exact thing and try to get my dealers to front as much as possible hoping one day I'll say fuck it and not pay them back and be done with them. But I always end up paying them or they'll text saying "don't worry about that so and so amount you owe me for now, just get me back when you can" cause they're missing my money everyday.
The key is to fuck them over so bad they won't ever do business with you again. I'm not talking about shorting a few bucks, more like taking the last of their supply (you'd think the fact that I never get that much would tip 'em off), as much as you can get away with, then paying them with a dollar bill wrapped around a napkin or some shit.
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I think this applies to crack dealers more than any other. In my experience, they're the most "friendly" in that they'll text or show up at your door on days when you're trying your hardest to resist the temptation. They also tend to front more than heroin dealers - get all buddy-buddy with you by hooking you up and fronting all you want. You feel like you're getting the hook up and before you realize it you've spent not just every penny you've got, but the next paycheck or two after as well.
I think crack dealers deserve to be robbed more than any other. They make it impossible to stay off the shit. There's been countless times I felt like the only thing that would stop it was either moving away or fucking them over so they wouldn't fuck with me anymore.
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No one deserves to get robbed. Are you listening to what your saying?
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Geez, fuck you OP. Good god. I'm sorry, but what the fuck. If nothing else, you'll be looking over your shoulder 24/7 if you're enough of an idiot to do that to someone, let alone your dealer.
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Holy shit. That's a bad idea. Bad bad bad idea....
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very bad idea.
don't blame the dealer for your habit, they're just trying a very hard way to make some quick money.
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It's especially fuckt to fuckt over a dealer that you have enough of an established relationship with that they front you.
My main dealers are good enough guys that on the 2 times I have asked them to not sell to me for X amount of time, they stuck to their word and didn't cave, even needing the dough.
Man if you want to keep a dealer away, either have a mutual acquaintance tell the dealer that "[so and so] is a confidential informant, he won't inform on you, but still, be careful around them." Or tell them yourself that the cops have been following you and you're under investigation for selling a few handguns.
You'll never hear from dude again.
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Yeah...I definitely think robbing your dealer would only make your life shittier. I highly doubt this would "fix" your issues.
theSWPK has some good ideas if you really want to cut ties with that person. But, even if you do cut ties with the dealer...how do you plan on not finding a new connect, thus starting the cycle over again???
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Jesus Christ OP,
Narcan won't reverse a lead overdose. Never forget that little fact.
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Bad idea for anything over like 20 bucks in my experience. Ive had 2 different d boys chase me goin 70 in 35mph streets, over diuble yellows, blowing thru red lights, etc. Both chased for a good 20 mins of high speed, one was threatening to shoot too, until i luckily pulled next to a cop at a light, then drove next to him till i could dip out before dope boy could follow. And these were only for 100 bucks too, they risked all that, with guns and drugs in the car for that. Ive had a couplethat were smarter and didnt chase, just cut me off too.
But make sure you dont ever wanna see them again at least, and that they got no way of finding where u live cause some of them are literally animals and only think about how you disrespected them, not about whatd happen if they crash or get stopped chasing you over something that small with shit in their car risking ten+ years over 100 bucks. Some ive seen are literally so dumb theyd probably kill someone over a half gram of dope and get caught n do decades in prison, just cause u disrespected them
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I think these post was made during a bad stretch of meth use and isn't what the OP actually believes in a clearer state of mind.
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I did that once. Jacked $40 worth of crack from my dealer, he leaned into the window of my car to hand it off and I just dipped out when he put it in my hand before I could fork over the funny money I had. Went and smoked some of it and was quite surprised to find my dealer standing outside of my house when I go back home. I guess I forgot that my girlfriend had invited him over to smoke a blunt about a month earlier and he remembered where I lived. Of course I just sped off and smoked the rest of it at a friends place, but that feeling when I got back home and for the couple of weeks after completely sucked, literally looking over my shoulder every I came and went from the house. And having to explain to my roommates what the sketchy black guy was doing loitering outside of our house in a college neighborhood was fun too. Funnily enough I ended up paying the guy back about a month later and he just let it slide and continued dealing with me, but he made damn sure to get his hands on the money first before handing over any product. That is probably by far the best case scenario when ripping off a dealer
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Look I'm gonna try to help ya here OP, but I can come off as brash. Plus the truth hurts.
I've been reading all your posts lately and I'm gonna let ya in on a little secret--You are just not truly ready to quit.
There's no fucking way I'm the only one that thinks/knows this
Sorry if I came off as a cunt but it's pretty fucking obvious.
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I don't see any reason to apologize to the op bone dust.
OP do whatever it is you want but please go to a rehab (or trap house, your choice) without internet access. I do believe between your posts about the evils of crystal and your stance on the best way to really stop smoking crack we have a really good picture of where you are mentally. I hope to god you are fucking sleeping finally. Trust me, you need it. Maybe then the DEA agents that found you and are hiding in the bushes outside will finally leave.
I really don't know why I spend my time writing this. Meh...
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^^^Heh heh.
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Damn, yeah I gotta agree that's probably a bad idea. I have one dealer that I do not like personally, but he never calls or tempts me. and the other one I have is cool and he does let me know when he has shit, but if i tell him not to he respects it.(lol i havent requested that of him for quite some time now haha) and I just couldn't do that to him. Like we don't hang out or anything, but for the 5ish minutes that I see him when I come by to cop I feel like we have somewhat bonded and developed a pretty high level of trust that I just couldn't betray. We actually used to hang out sometimes i would do one at his house and chill for 30 min or an hour, but now he has a live in gf and a kid so he doesnt want people doin shit there. But yeah I couldn't do that unless someone REALLY deserved it and still it could have bad consequences.
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I think these post was made during a bad stretch of meth use and isn't what the OP actually believes in a clearer state of mind.
^ Yep. Another thread to add to my wall of shame. I have to say, I do appreciate everyone's harsh criticism, cause sometimes I need it to bring me back down to earth. It's just so easy to blame the dope dealer for my problems but obviously it's not their fault.
Apparently I neglected to mention that this wasn't an idea I was thinking about doing, it's something I had already done, I think the night I posted this.... I mean I don't cop dope myself, my hubby always takes care of that, I was just along for the ride. Dude's a 30min or so drive away and has no idea where we're at, but yeah, we were pretty paranoid there for awhile... Wasn't worth it in the end.
Let's not pretend like we haven't all done shit we regret when we're strung out. You'd be hard-pressed to find an addict who hasn't stolen from someone in some form or another to support their habit. Doesn't make it right, it's just part of "the game" I guess... I've been on both sides of it.
Jesus Christ OP,Narcan won't reverse a lead overdose. Never forget that little fact.
I need that quote on one of those motivational posters in my bedroom.
Look I'm gonna try to help ya here OP, but I can come off as brash. Plus the truth hurts.I've been reading all your posts lately and I'm gonna let ya in on a little secret--You are just not truly ready to quit.There's no fucking way I'm the only one that thinks/knows thisSorry if I came off as a cunt but it's pretty fucking obvious.
I agree, and I can handle criticism.
I don't see any reason to apologize to the op bone dust. OP do whatever it is you want but please go to a rehab (or trap house, your choice) without internet access. I do believe between your posts about the evils of crystal and your stance on the best way to really stop smoking crack we have a really good picture of where you are mentally. I hope to god you are fucking sleeping finally. Trust me, you need it. Maybe then the DEA agents that found you and are hiding in the bushes outside will finally leave. I really don't know why I spend my time writing this. Meh...
LMAO. Touche.
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it pleases me to see you accepting good advice.
that's why sites like ours are only a good thing.
people helping people make better decisions.
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One of my favorite D boys shot a dude who had ripped him off for a 40 bag. He ended up doing 7 years for it and he felt it was worth it.
Dude was super nice too, he just didn't want to be taken advantage of. So yea you might think they're friendly but you never know what's going on in someone's head.
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I know from experience, there are some guys out there who will risk a high speed chase to get you over 80 bucks, and a hundred the other time. Its like they'd be willing to do years over a half gram that they probly paid 30 bucks for. I been getting grams for 70 of chunk ecp dope the past few months, literally the worst area to go to. They even have street signs over there that read "drug free zone" or something like that. Never seen signs like that anywhere else in the bad half of my major city.
So i know theyre making a killing on it if they know the right people if he can sell me gs for 65-70
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Interesting from an ethical perspective. My position is any crack or dope dealer deserves to be robbed. Why? Because their very existence takes advantage of human weakness and allows them to live a certain lifestyle as a result of your illness. And I can say this being on both sides of the table. As someone who's already been arrested and served his time for pill trafficking, I have to honestly say I knew what I was doing to my customers. I was able to live a very comfortable lifestyle without the need for mundane things like a job. I justified this in my own head by refusing to sell to anyone who wasn't already addicted, telling myself, they're fucked anyway, and someone is bound to get that money if it isn't me.
On the other hand, when my dope addiction got out of hand, black listing myself in Paterson is what I needed to do. I'm not saying I recommend this as it can be detrimental to your health, but I do understand the temptation. I embarrassed a dealer by driving off with a few hundred in product and endured days of threatening messages. That kept my ass out of that city long enough to kick it and here I am almost two years later, for the first time in my life doing very well for myself.
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Jesus Christ OP,
Narcan won't reverse a lead overdose. Never forget that little fact.
lol, my thoughts exactly..
Narcan won't fix a hotshot either.
I wonder what the bp of cyanide is?
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Why in the hell would any dealer deserve to be robbed. No one makes people buy the dope. They provide a needed service. I don’t understand having that opinion. Does any fast food place owner deserve to get robbed? A casino? A bar tender? A hooker? A doctor? A bud tender?
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While I respect your opinion, I think I clearly answered the question already. Selling drugs takes advantage of human weakness. I'm not talking about dealing some bud; if you rob the weed man you're just a scumbag their. I'm talking about highly addictive drugs, the kind people die everyday over. When you sell dope or crack, you hold a power over your customers. In some cases you can demand they bark like a dog to obtain their fix. This is not simple supply and demand economics. It's similar to the shitbag that bought the rights to the HIV.meds last year and inflated the price ten fold overnight. He did it because he knew he could and still sell enough to make an absurd profit. Back when I was moving the pills, I got beat a few times and it's just the cost of doing business. I didn't like it, but accepted it.
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Fair enough, different opinions, it is what it is :)
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I have to say I totally agree that the majority of h or coke/crack dealers probably have it coming if they end up getting beat. Boostemente laid it out pretty well in my opinion. They have so much power over you because you are willing to do almost anything to get what they have and they absolutely know it. Hence the old "ill be there in five minutes" turning into an hour or more while waiting to score, and they know that you're not going anywhere, unless you happen to have another connection that you know has the same good shit your ass would wait there all day for him to come, ive unfortunately done it. Especially in the sketchy areas where dope is most often found, ie paterson, sitting around for 30 minutes or an hour with out of state license plates is a great way to get pulled over and arrested, or robbed which happened to me in paterson. They don't care about anything other than the money you bring them. Oh damn such and such got arrested while waiting for my lazy ass to get off the couch and serve them, or so and so od'ed off my fent shit, on to the next one. Most dealers simply have no common courtesy and 100% take advantage of users in every way possible. There are exceptions but by and large dealers could less about anything other than your money, and in turn I don't see how a user for once getting the upper hand is any more reprehensible. Obviously your dealer isn't going to be your best friend, but they could go about it in a much more dignified and fair way imo. I definitely wouldn't recommend robbing your average dope man, but I certainly wouldn't feel bad for him either if you decided to.
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Then again, I've had connects who've done right by me, and me by them - I've had connects where I've been invited (and gone to) their houses, family gatherings etc., and who've looked after me when I wasn't able to do anything for myself.
I've also had connects that do the whole '5 minutes' thing, only to leave me waiting 1 hour in a sketchy place.
I guess what I'm saying is that, regardless of how they're making their money, they're people - just like everybody else.
If you still want there to be decently-behaved connects around who don't treat you like shit, then maybe don't think of, or actually go around thinking that they all 'deserve' (somehow) to be robbed (they've got to pay their guy, too - if you robbed them like was suggested, you might even be responsible for them being hospitalised or killed).
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my philosophy is simple - treat people how you expect to be treated.
rule no. 1 - you got to wait.
get fucked over ? move on ... they will get their theirs
a dealer's life is almost always fucked up, I never forget that.
... but Omar was my favorite!
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Well maybe my post came off wrong, I never said that they all deserve to be robbed. I said that I understand how a user could get to a point where they felt justified in doing so. I also put in some caveats in my response, as I understand that dealers are in fact people and some of them can be very pleasant and even become a friend. Having a dealer who is a close friend and invites you to his house is definitely not the norm in my experience, does it happen yea sure, I've had several dealers that I've been very friendly with but the vast majority are not that at all and tend to treat customers kind of shitty. If you do happen to hit the jackpot and find someone who not only has good product but also treats you with common courtesy, respects your time, occasionally does you a favor, by all means stick with them, that is what I'm trying to get at is that even though they're dealing drugs they could do it in a civilized way. Someone who goes about their business with respect and dignity whether they be a dealer or anyone else has my total respect and I'm not saying hey go and take advantage of them. I'm talking about the dealers that play on our addictions because they know we often can't help ourselves. And even then, I'm not saying to rob anyone, I'm just saying that I could see where someone was coming from if they decided to go after one of the scummy dealers