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Core Topics => Opiates & Opioids => Drugs => Methadone and Buprenorphine Maintenance => Topic started by: pODDity on February 03, 2016, 10:37:32 AM
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So in this crazy world. And living in NYC My biggest fear is some fucked up war/ bomb attack or some shit happening. And me getting fucked without methadone. If a person was to have backup MDne... What would be the best way to preserve it. Fridge? Freezer? Room temp? Or dry it out.?
Really the world is fucked. And US news doesn't show the half of it. I watch a lot of RT.
Def stresses me out. I'm sure Anybody on MMT can relate to the FEAR.
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I wouldn't worry about Methadone storage, it's got a long shelf life.
welcome !
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Maybe it's different being in NYC and all but fuck dude... that's a lot of worrying. Maybe you're not taking your meds right? That's me fucking with you in case you don't catch it.
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I felt the same way when I was on methadone. My clinic made it clear through their actions that they could not have cared less about the clients. I always had an extra take home or two stashed in the fridge, and I would use it and replace it with a fresh one monthly. I also bought 2 big bottles of loperamide on line, just in case a natural disaster shut the city down. In Seattle, this could be as little as 2 inches of snow!
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I'd advise everyone to stockpile as much as they can, whenever they can.
I'm not talking some zombie outbreak shit or financial collapse, I'm just saying it's good doper practice. But, I know there is a large difference between doper practice and reality.
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Hmmmm I guess I never really thought of natural disaster... hopefully at least the dope is still flying in if the meth' isnt.
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I used to have a hard time stock piling. Because I'd drink it all.. But I've finally learned some discipline in these last years.
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If the world does end then drugs will be obtained like most other things. Through violence. End of the world is going to be one of those "big things eating little things" situation. Best bet is to find half a dozen to a dozen like minded individuals, get a game plan for the day you foresee coming. I mean you'll need food, water, shelter, ways to protect yourself etc...
With that said, my lady and I have bottles and bottles of our pain meds stored away for safe keeping. Because you never know man...your are sure right about all this bat shit crazy terrorism crusade going down. Fuck me if it isn't a world war. There must be what 12 countries with troops on the ground somewhere in the Middle East at this very second?
World situation indeed...
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Dude... Trump as President = World War 3. I called it and I want credit when it happens dammit. It's like a video game or something... a year ago Trump as president was a joke... I secretly am kinda rooting for it just to see shit fall apart.
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Dude... Trump as President = World War 3. I called it and I want credit when it happens dammit. It's like a video game or something... a year ago Trump as president was a joke... I secretly am kinda rooting for it just to see shit fall apart.
Sorry but socialist views with either Hillary or Bernie will bring the end Donald will just strengthen the free market. I don't understand how people can be for a democrat in this race...its a Nation built on capitalism and the free market, especially when we were better than all other countries at one point in time due to the freedom we had.. Now democrats want more of the state which has NEVER worked... so they quickly jump to some old socialist that will make the ideas of freedom further than drug legalization. It actually perturbed me to the point of being sick. Our forefathers would shit if they heard a socialist was getting votes. socialism turns to communism and both love fascism enjoy the labor camps with Bernie. When has socialist view's worked??
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So in this crazy world. And living in NYC My biggest fear is some fucked up war/ bomb attack or some shit happening. And me getting fucked without methadone. If a person was to have backup MDne... What would be the best way to preserve it. Fridge? Freezer? Room temp? Or dry it out.?
Really the world is fucked. And US news doesn't show the half of it. I watch a lot of RT.
Def stresses me out. I'm sure Anybody on MMT can relate to the FEAR.
I suspect that like pharmacies, clinics get their drugs from discreet warehouses scattered around the metropolitain area they serve and probably keep about amonth's worth on hand as well. If anything big enough to disrupt the methodone supply occurs you are going to have A LOT more to worry about, like food and water in NYC.
If (when) things really start going to shit and they will eventually. It happens to all empires that overreach the people who will do best will live in small communities that can innnovate and adapt to become independent of necessiities coming in from far away in trucks and retailers using "Just In Time" inventory.
There are plenty of "survivalist" blogs but I find most of them more focussed on getting through the short term by being stockpiled and armed not changing to sustainable living. Ther is a very good blog by a Russian-born, American educated engineer named Dimitri Orlov http://cluborlov.blogspot.com he is very insightful and forward-thinking.
Seriously though as bad as things might get, there will be opiates around for a while but sooner or later you'll have to detox nd depending what "comfort meds" are available it will suck but you'll get past it. You won't die, you'll just wish you would.
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Imagine telling that one to your kids... the time the world ended cuz Donald Trump was president and I kicked methadone... and shut up whiteheat... it is too gonna happen.
Really though... don't get me wrong. I'm not voting for him or her or anybody... I don't believe in the entire fucking system.
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In a short while I'll have stockpiled enough Subs to last a full calendar year if I kept taking my current dose. It would last much longer if I cut my dose in half, which would be entirely doable.
I encourage EVERYONE to stockpile something, even if it's just loperamide. Even though the world's end probably won't occur in your lifetime, you could very easily need to have a safety net at some point. Even if that's only for a personal reason that doesn't affect anyone else.
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I love most eras of history, but American history (and especially modern American history), isn't one of them. So you'll have to excuse me if I'm wrong.
But didn't the United States get out of the Great Depression because of FDR's New Deal (i.e., socialist) policies? And didn't those New Deal policies help to create the middle class in this country?
I don't consider myself a Republican at all. I usually vote Democrat. But I'm also not an über, free for all, blind liberal. I believe some rules are necessary, especially if we're to live in a civilized society.
That being said, it appears to me that whenever most Republicans get into office, they tend to make laws and reforms that benefit business owners and, especially, the established wealthy.
I don't think Donald Trump would be any different. If anything, I think he'd be worse.
I don't understand why some people say Democrats, whether Clinton or Sanders, would ruin the country. And I'm not just specifically referring to WhiteHeat. Rather, anyone in general. What's wrong with a little socialism or federal control?
It seems to me a lot of Western Europe is socialist in nature, at least in part. Look at the Scandinavian countries. Those countries have some of the best social policies, and happiest / satisfied people, in the world.
I think when the average American hears "socialist," they automatically assume it means communist, Nazi, or fascist.
Personally, I have no problem having a strong, central, Federal government. We all live in the same country, therefore I think we should all have the same laws, as well as the same access to the same benefits and protections.
It seems very unfair to me when residents in one state can do X, whereas in another they can't, etc. If anything that seems very unequal and undemocratic to me.
It just seems like a lot of people who are against a strong Federal government tend to have a general distrust and dislike of any centralized authority, over them or otherwise.
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I recently visited the 3rd (guesstimating) circle of hell when the warehouse (that my pharmacy uses), computer crashed. Although my stuff isn't cheap by any means, b/c the pharmacy hires young folks to check you out when picking up prescription(s) AND they're the ones who count & match the inventory...of course my order never came AND b/c they're young & it was one of many, it just was a "task" to get done with & no one noticed. Yes, i got a huge apology from the head pharmacist, but that misery of withdrawal... sucked big time.
As well, my scrip is often only one or two (or even more fun, *the day*) days before I'm completely out. The above advice is excellent imo----If at all possible, STOCKPILE. Whether blizzard, hurricane or just eh i wanna go on break", it's just better to have that "cushion" imo
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Sorry but socialist views with either Hillary or Bernie will bring the end Donald will just strengthen the free market. I don't understand how people can be for a democrat in this race...its a Nation built on capitalism and the free market, especially when we were better than all other countries at one point in time due to the freedom we had.. Now democrats want more of the state which has NEVER worked... so they quickly jump to some old socialist that will make the ideas of freedom further than drug legalization. It actually perturbed me to the point of being sick. Our forefathers would shit if they heard a socialist was getting votes. socialism turns to communism and both love fascism enjoy the labor camps with Bernie. When has socialist view's worked??
When the free market can no longer support a MAJORITY of the people in it,
when you hear that paying people a living wage would ruin this system
does it make you feel good? Like: we need more of that! And less ecological regulations too!
Mother govt holding you back from maximizing your profit margin?
The government, the UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Is probably the most pro-business in history
In case you havent noticed, our current system of subsidies and loans means a lot of businesses are getting breaks
A LOT of fucking breaks
to the point where it looks eerily similar to fascism, with the govt picking and choosing what to "subsidize"
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Am I seeing shit or did somebody endorse Trump above? Dude, are you drinking gasoline? I'd seek help IMMEDIATELY!
I know SHIT about politics but I know Trump, Cruz, and Bush are fucking evil and should be kept as far from the white house as possible.
Labor camps under Bernie, eh? LMFAO
That was a good one, seriously.
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So in this crazy world. And living in NYC My biggest fear is some fucked up war/ bomb attack or some shit happening. And me getting fucked without methadone. If a person was to have backup MDne... What would be the best way to preserve it. Fridge? Freezer? Room temp? Or dry it out.?
Really the world is fucked. And US news doesn't show the half of it. I watch a lot of RT.
Def stresses me out. I'm sure Anybody on MMT can relate to the FEAR.
To actually answer your question, I would dry out your take homes in a large Pyrex baking dish and store powder in an airtight container in a cool dark place. A glass jar would be a good container. Make sure you wash the outside before you store. Some of the MD preparations I've seen have sugar or sweetener in them and might attract insects.
Make sure it's 100% dry! If it's liquid or moist it could mold!
Keep out of sunlight.
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When has socialist view's worked??
FDR's "New Deal."
Maybe you should ask yer granny about that, how her medicare is working out and about her Social Security? You do understand what Socialism is now, don't you?
Did you go to school in this country? Did you go on to University? Guess what son, SOCIALISM.
Ever driven on an Interstate Highway System?
That's called Socialism, cos it was built by our fucking government and it's used by our people every day.
I have doubts you fully understand WTF we're talking about, so I'll keep it short, but: America IS ALREADY a Socialist Democracy, and that DOES NOT equate COMMUNISM, not even CLOSE.
Chump wants you to believe different, but he's a fool and if you listen to him, you'll probably wind up in bankruptcy court, cos honestly, anyone who takes this guy at face value has something wrong with their perceptions.
Honestly I suspect Trump has a bet with someone (Christie?) that says "watch me insult the shit out of these people and win the primary anyway" -- seriously, how would anyone serious about the job say the kind of shit he says? It has to be a farce.
He doesn't want this job, he either wants to trash the GOP to make sure the Dems get it, or he's got some other ulterior motive; but I don't believe he really wants this job, let alone the fact that he's far too much of a moron to pull it off. I think it's a farce and I highly suspect Trump fans are being fed a line of shit and eaiting it with a smile.
America is proof that a socialist economy works, cos we're sitting here right now, proving it.
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If he was president, would he be allowed to run his business? I mean, not even bringing up him having time for it, isn't it a conflict of interest? Delegate all you want... taking yourself out of the game for up to 8 years has to be some serious losses. Losses I somehow don't think Trump could stomach...
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Thanks OPUS!! I don't know enough about history or politics to make a compelling argument.
I was hoping someone with a broader understanding of the topic to lay it out for Whiteheat.
The comment he made about our 'forefathers' being disappointed to see us voting for a form of socialism, pales in comparison to how upset they would be if they knew we were voting for a reality TV personality, with NO political credentials whatsoever. Just because he has "Many millions of dollars, and a great plan, the BEST plan in fact to make this country GREAT again" (Trumps words) doesn't mean shit in my opinion.
And Cruz is just as fucking creepy in my opinion.
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Well I know you're talking about stockpiling m'Done but its alot easier to stockpile suboxone. I tell the doc i need 16mg a day and only take 2mg. So i have unopened boxes stockpiled for the zombie apocalypse or terrorist attack cuz i live in LA and i worry about this too.
It would really blow to have the country in shambles while in withdrawal. One time an earthquake woke me up when i was kicking, sick as hell and the earth was shaking bad. I was a lil freaked out. Thank god it was a minor EQ.
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To actually answer your question, I would dry out your take homes in a large Pyrex baking dish and store powder in an airtight container in a cool dark place. A glass jar would be a good container. Make sure you wash the outside before you store. Some of the MD preparations I've seen have sugar or sweetener in them and might attract insects.
Make sure it's 100% dry! If it's liquid or moist it could mold!
Keep out of sunlight.
This is good advice for storing dried products in general.
The only thing I'll add is that it would be even better if you found a darker-colored glass jar to put the methadone, or whatever, in.
Some spice / extract jars / bottles are glass tinted either green or brown. For instance, good vanilla extract usually comes in brown glass bottles. I'd try to put the methadone in something brown. Of course make sure its clean.
I suggest this because even if it's exposed to some light, when you're moving it or taking some out, the tinted glass will protect it better than clear glass.
I'm pretty sure old apothecary bottles for tincture of opium and other substances used to be this way.
Just be careful when storing anything in glass because it could crack or break. And yeah, keep away from moisture, light, and extremes in temp, both hot and cold.
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I've seen old glass bottles of "methadone" at antique stores. I remember thinking it would be cool to save some methadone in.
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THANK YOU.. as much as I enjoy reading where this topic veered off too.. Your the one person that actually answered my question..I've talked to other friends on the clinic and they mentioned that the shit goes bad after a while and begins to separate and other wierd shit... I never experienced that. Because I could never hold onto my extra backup before drinking them... Now I have FINaLLy gained control to some degree and have had some backup for quite some time.. But obviously I'm worried about it going bad.. Thanx for your response
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I know I was on subs once years ago when they first came out... I guess my best bet is to find Methadone pills or wafers... This liquid has me worried about going bad..
Thanx for ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO THE TOPIC!!! 😎
Peace friend
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When you say brown glass bottle like vanilla extract. Do you mean storing it as a liquid.. If so.. It's not a problem.. It's kept in a lock box. Absolutley NO light can penetrate .. ... I think what I am going to end up doing is finding someone with pills/wafers... It seems like the best option.. Shit or even atom piling poppy pods. And whatever else I can get my hands on... Bundles Vicodin Percy's Roxie's.. Kratom.. Imodium ... In the end.. If some fucked up shit does happen.. Anything that can help even if just a little... SwIm just happens to have a bunch of saved liquid
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When you say brown glass bottle like vanilla extract. Do you mean storing it as a liquid.. If so.. It's not a problem.. It's kept in a lock box. Absolutley NO light can penetrate .. ... I think what I am going to end up doing is finding someone with pills/wafers... It seems like the best option.. Shit or even atom piling poppy pods. And whatever else I can get my hands on... Bundles Vicodin Percy's Roxie's.. Kratom.. Imodium ... In the end.. If some fucked up shit does happen.. Anything that can help even if just a little... SwIm just happens to have a bunch of saved liquid
No, I didn't mean store it as a liquid.
I was saying do what theSWPK suggested, but put the dried powder into a brown / green / dark colored glass jar or bottle.
I was using the vanilla extract as an example of a brown, glass bottle.
If you put the dried powder in a brown, glass, vanilla extract bottle, please wash the bottle out first. Also, after you wash it, please dry it out thoroughly.
Also, please label the bottle. You don't want to forget what's in there if you're storing it for a long time. You also don't want someone else finding it, taking it, then ODing. Especially not a child.
And once you're done, secure it well, so no animals can potentially get in it. They could easily OD too.
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Methadone doesn't dry to a nice powder in my experience. You will get a thick syrup from all of the sugar. This is especially true with methadose brand methadone. It just doesn't ever go to a powder regardless of how long you leave it out or gently heat it.
I have kept methadone frozen for a year once when I forgot about a bottle. When I took it out and used it I couldn't notice a difference to a bottle straight from the pharmacy.
I found a study that looked at different juices and temperatures. Here's the abstract:
The stability of methadone in vehicles commonly used for oral administration was determined. Solutions of methadone were prepared in (1) orange-flavored Tang, (2) grape-flavored Kool-Aid, (3) apple juice, (4) grape-flavored Crystal Light, and (5) grape-flavored Crystal Light plus 0.1% sodium benzoate. For each of the first four preparations listed, two solutions were formulated at each methadone hydrochloride concentration of 0.2, 0.8, and 1.5 mg/mL; one set of three concentrations of each solution was stored in a refrigerator at 5 degrees C for up to 55 days, and the other set was stored unprotected from light at 20-25 degrees C for up to 17 days. Only three Crystal Light plus sodium benzoate solutions were prepared at the same methadone concentrations and stored at 20-25 degrees C for up to 29 days. Methadone concentrations were measured by high-performance liquid chromatography. Methadone was stable (loss of potency, less than 5%) for up to 17, 11, 9, and 8 days when stored at 20-25 degrees C in Kool-Aid, Tang, apple juice, and Crystal Light, respectively, and for up to 29 days when stored at 20-25 degrees C in Crystal Light plus sodium benzoate. Methadone was stable for up to 55, 49, 47, and 34 days when stored at 5 degrees C in Kool-Aid, Tang, apple juice, and Crystal Light, respectively. All the solutions that did not contain sodium benzoate and were stored at room temperature displayed unacceptable microbial growth after approximately two weeks. No significant loss of methadone potency occurred in any of the vehicles for oral administration during the study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1858805 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1858805)
Here's another one:
Methadone, traditionally used in the treatment of heroin addiction, recently has been used to treat severe pain. The chemical stability of methadone has been studied in concentrations up to 1.5 mg/mL only. Commercial methadone concentrate (10mg/mL) and methadone powder was diluted to 5 mg/mL with orange-flavored Tang drink. Sodium benzoate was added to the solutions prepared from powder. Bottles were stored at either room temperature (22 deg C) or under refrigeration (6 deg C) for 91 days. Samples were analyzed in duplicate by a stability-indicating high-performance liquid chromatographic assay, and clarity and pH were also monitored. One additional solution was preprared from powder but no preservative was added; this solution was monitored for presence of bacterial growth at room temperature only. Solutions prepared from the concentrate and powder with preservative showed no signs of change in clarity on storage. The solution made from powder only developed turbidity after 21 days, which suggested bacterial growth. There was no significant change in pH over the course of the study. After 91 days of storage at either room temperature or under refrigeration, there was no change in concentration for solutions prepared from concentrate or powder with preservative. Methadone solutions prepared from the commercial concentrate or powder with sodium benzoate are stable for 91 days at room temperature or under refrigeration. Solutions prepared from the powder but not containing a preservative showed signs of bacterial growth after 21 days at room temperature.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23924817 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23924817)
There are quite a few more studies that have been done if you google it.