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Title: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Jake Frazier on April 14, 2016, 11:05:00 PM
Never tried this stuff before, but the complete lack of pills has led me to this decision. 

I know it's a broad topic, but since my tolerance is WAY low, and I intend to snort the stuff, can I get some advice on usage, safety, and how much H tends to give the same high as...say...20 mg of oxy?

I know quality varies, but the source comes highly recommended.

Anyway, any feedback would be appreciated.  Delving into this kinds scares the shit out of me.   :o
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: traplord69 on April 14, 2016, 11:58:26 PM
I would definitely tread lightly, it sounds like you have a very low tolerance so I would never want to offer dose advice and have something bad happen.  Unfortunately you are going through what I'm sure almost everyone on this board has, made the inevitable transition from the unaffordable prescription opi's to the slightly more affordable heroin, depending on where you are of course.  One thing I can say is that heroin didn't blow me away at all when I was snorting it in the beginning, it wasn't until I shot that I really noticed how powerful it could be.  I probably had a 120mg+ a day oxy habit when I first tried heroin and like I said, I got high but it wasn't anything spectacular.  If I had to make any recommendation other than not to get into doing heroin, it would be start with a veryyy small bump, not a line, and see how you feel.  To state the obvious you can always do more but you can't do less. Be well
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: jonnyr3b on April 15, 2016, 12:14:35 AM
It SHOULD scare the shit out of you, you're trying to compare dope to 20mg of oxy?
You're in over your head dude.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Daughter of Dionysus on April 15, 2016, 01:30:24 AM
Dude
I know the "glamor of this life"
Might not have
Worn off yet
But please see
That the steps
Keep
Getting
Bigger
And
BIGGER
And
Bigger
And
BIGGER
Then the glamor
Wares off
And you become
Old and alone
It's a true story

Ask many of the addicts here
Also breaks my heart
When I see thread
Titles like this one
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Guts on April 15, 2016, 01:54:53 AM
Ask many of the addicts here
Also breaks my heart
When I see thread
Titles like this one

What can you do... it's a long road to self-realization...
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Fentfiend420 on April 15, 2016, 02:07:40 AM
Your tolly is so low!
Just get by with lope or kratom.
In most cases once you try it, it open's up the flood gates.
For the love of a higher power please don't do the h!
I'm only saying this cause I care and I'm a junkie. Trust me when I say it's no cake walk!
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: traplord69 on April 15, 2016, 02:27:20 AM
Yea I hope my post didn't come off as if I was condoning or encouraging you to do H.  Like everyone else says it will take on one fucked up journey, or atleast has a high potential of doing so.  To be practical though, no amount of anyone telling him the risks and dangers of H is likely to stop him from doing it.  I guess best case scenario if you wind up doing it, is that it does scare the shit out of you and you decide to not do it again. 
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: EMC on April 15, 2016, 02:48:32 AM
I was addicted to tramadol (feel free to laugh if you must) for three years and it sucked absolute balls getting off those. I've never been addicted to H, but do chip. When I use for a week, the three days after just fucking horrible. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to come off a lengthy habit. So to echo what others have said, please take some time with this decision.

If there is no stopping you, well, the conventional wisdom I always seem to read is to snort a 'match-head size' bump. Wait half an hour before doing any more.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Z on April 15, 2016, 07:57:08 AM
Yeah, it's hard to judge heroin's potency.  When you're sniffing you aren't trying to get a rush like with an injection, so you can take a little and keep adding.  Just do that and go slowly.  If you don't want to inject it, and you really don't, then the next most effecient way is to make a solution and put it up your butt with an oral syringe.  Snorting is fine, but my experience is that it isn't the best RoA.


Be safe.  Try to have someone nearby who knows what's going on, or is at least smart enough to tell that you are in trouble.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Jake Frazier on April 15, 2016, 08:05:48 AM
I appreciate all of the kind feedback.  I actually can afford pills, but absolutely none of the contacts I've made has a damn thing.  Hopefully, that will change. In the meantime, a match head sized bump does seem the next best thing to not doing it at all...I'm afraid that avoidance just ain't gonna happen.  I'll let you guys know what the results are. 
 
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: nick on April 15, 2016, 11:31:03 AM
I'd think again if I were you-BUT if you decide to go for it,BE SAFE.

1.Don't mix it with other drugs-including booze.

2.Tester dose.

3.Try and use with other people around-hopefully with naloxone available.

As I say,think again.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Jake Frazier on April 15, 2016, 11:54:23 AM
So, no speedballing, huh?  Lol.

Seriously, though...thanks for all the heartfelt concern.  I've actually known dozens of addicts in my life, and I'm not blind to the danger.  I plan to go nice and easy...maybe even share a bump with my contact to test the quality of the batch.

I'm rolling the dice...no doubt...but life's like that.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Taytoechip on April 15, 2016, 12:56:38 PM
So, no speedballing, huh?  Lol.

Seriously, though...thanks for all the heartfelt concern.  I've actually known dozens of addicts in my life, and I'm not blind to the danger.  I plan to go nice and easy...maybe even share a bump with my contact to test the quality of the batch.

I'm rolling the dice...no doubt...but life's like that.

Lesson one: dont buy drugs from someone who does said drugs. When buying pharms its a lot harder, maybe next to impossible to come by. But with this life stealing powder its fairly common to find dealers who may smoke weed or whatever, but they dont dip into their own stash of harder shit. no doubt you can still get fucked by them, but a dealer/middleman who is on sick and has people trying to throw money at him will only think of one person. Certainly not you.

and lets not kid ourselves, you're not rolling the fucking dice here, you're playing Russian roulette with 3 bullets. But who am i to tell you not to?

I would like comment and say that you're trying to reach the equivalent of 20mg of oxy. BUT your current usage/tolerance is that of 10mg of hydrocodone.
Even this simple step up could put you in a fucking hole.

this is so fucking uncomfortable. I wish i made a thread like this when thinking of jumping from pharms to dope years ago. Maybe i wouldnt have fucked up everything and died. ACTUALLY DIED. But we keep it moving. Now for a smiley face to make this entire post more warm hearted  :P there, thats nice.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Z on April 15, 2016, 01:26:25 PM
I know lots of people who started with heroin.  According to the Internet I should be dead from my first doses.  It's not like there is some sort of formula to follow for this stuff.  I kind of started with pills, but it was speedball's of dilaudid and coke on day 2.

I totally get trying to discourage someone, but I don't know if laying it on too thick will do anything.  If someone told you not to do dope would you have still started?  I know that lots of people told me not to, and I didn't listen to any of them.

I think that accepting that people are going to do what they are going to do, and they deserve the best safety info that they can get in that circumstance is a big part of harm reduction.

My big suggestion would be to find someone who uses and offer to get them high.  Ask them how much to use.  They know how strong the drugs they get are.
Just my personal opinion on these threads mind you.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Jake Frazier on April 15, 2016, 01:37:05 PM
Well, boys and girls...I guess I'm glad I posted this.  I just called the whole thing off.

It seems that there's no way for this to end except badly.  I appreciate all the candor and stern warnings.  It worked.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Taytoechip on April 15, 2016, 04:20:02 PM
Well, boys and girls...I guess I'm glad I posted this.  I just called the whole thing off.

It seems that there's no way for this to end except badly.  I appreciate all the candor and stern warnings.  It worked.

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Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: dizzle on April 15, 2016, 06:07:05 PM
this thread makes me happy.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Taytoechip on April 15, 2016, 06:24:16 PM
this thread makes me happy.

I know right?

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Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: MoeMentim on April 16, 2016, 12:20:10 AM
Hell yeah!  Glad you changed your mind.  If I could go back & do it over again I'd never touch the stuff.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Jake Frazier on April 16, 2016, 08:00:56 AM
I'm moved by all of the genuine concern from people who don't know me. Thank you.

I must confess, now that I'm out of pills, this "forbidden fruit" holds a compelling allure.  But I think I'll just keep using Kratom and stay the course.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: dizzle on April 16, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
don't think of it as a forbidden fruit. I mean, heroin has been that a lots of things to me at one time or another, and now it's just heroin, not to be feared, loved, or hated, but RESPECTED, it SHOULD BE RESPECTED.

Heroin has brought me the highest of highs, and the lowest of lows, there is a certain power to it, but part of that is only because I gave it power, I fed it when it was hungry, I starved it when I wanted to kill it, it did it's best to kill me when I starved it. But in the end, I can say it's made me who I am today, and given me a totally different perspective on life. For that I'm grateful, but I wish it hadn't come to me being on my knees, in a jail cell wanting to rip all my hair out. To me attempting suicide.


Again, heroin is just heroin, it's what you make it, it's as strong as you let it be. I don't fear it today, I had someone ask me the other day "how long have you been clean?", "I don't even know", I replied, "if I have to keep track of each and every day, then I'm acknowledging the fact that there is something to fear, that this thing that could have power over me hasn't had this power for so long, but in reality, it's not something to be afraid of, its something to be respected, and aware of, but fear, that's long gone." they were baffled, didn't even know what to say to that.


I still can't believe it took me so far, both high and low, for me, I'd rather just be OK, with the average highs and lows of life, not the extremes that heroin gave me....
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: nick on April 16, 2016, 01:45:05 PM
Heroin use is soaked in social stigma,but in reality heroin is just another drug. Sadly though,we're part of society and it's impossible to escape the stigma-just recoginse it for what it is.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Z on April 16, 2016, 02:56:32 PM
I think that the danger of heroin is more about how it's sold then what it nherently is.  Really it's just morphine with a ladder to hop into your brain quickly.

The danger comes into play from the cut, additives, and variable nature of it.  Just the fact you could get one bag that is overdose strong fentanyl, and the next is weak as water.  You can't guarantee that the sterility of the product is there and it wasn't handled in a disgusting place by disgusting hands.

The Salome studies, and the Dutch prescription heroin programs have proven that heroin is no different from any medication when handled like other medications.  On the contrary, it's the best way to treat those patients who are histirically resistant to maintenance on methadone and suboxone.  For some people it can be the difference between life and death.  Heroin is a drug that is demonized excessively, just like methamphetamine.  If you look past the propaganda it's just like Nick said; a medication just like the others.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Guts on April 16, 2016, 03:17:30 PM
Jake, can I ask why you decided to call it off? What I mean is, was it really just because you thought better of it due to the advice you were given and it was entirely by choice or was there another factor like the middleman wasn't answering the phone or you couldn't get a ride or something like that? Just kinda curious...

I also saw heroin as this forbidden fruit... the king of opiates... actually, the king of all drugs. It's seen as the hardest drug out there... me being me, this actually attracted me to the stuff.

I hate to be the naysayer, but, if you're anything like me, and you've already given the shit mystic status in your head, you'll get to it eventually if you continue down the mellow pill road. I also said I would neeeeeever shoot up. I actually did H for like 2 or 3 years without doing it. Did it for the first time with a huge ass steroid rig when I was all barred out. Neither shooting up or heroin itself was "all that" the first couple times I did it. It sure did grow on me though...

Don't worry though, at least not yet. If you do decide to do it, you'll probably have a few years of fun ahead of you before you realize any consequences from the stuff.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Jake Frazier on April 16, 2016, 03:54:43 PM
To answer your question, Guts, as folks were posting on this thread, I remembered what my kids looked like when I dropped them off at school yesterday.  The thought of never seeing them again ripped my heart out of my chest.  I'm already taking a huge risk by fucking with pills. I can't make it worse. 

As far as contacts are concerned, I easily found four people ready and willing to help me with H.  And transportation is no issue.  It went a lot deeper than that.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Guts on April 16, 2016, 04:26:29 PM
Well hey man, I'd love to see you prove me wrong. Usually when people make these types of threads I think the decision has already been made long before the post so you're already an anomaly in that respect.

Z and nick are right, it is just another opiate at the end of the day. That being said, due to it being a lot cheaper than pills (mg for mg, considering how strong it is), the ease of access, and the ROA's usually used, I think people end up with a lot bigger habit on H than they had with pills. This of course usually makes for a harder kick... a lot of people can juggle life and addiction for the longest time... until they can't.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Chip on April 16, 2016, 08:16:58 PM
I'm proud to be part of a community that can change even one life for the better.

you guys rock !
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Z on April 16, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
I just don't buy into the whole pills are less bad mindset.  For the OP they are, but mostly because he has a tiny tolerance and only sniffs hydros.  You can get a huge pill habit and screw your life up just fine without touching a grain of heroin.  I know plenty of folks who do that with dilaudid here.

As an example, there are plenty of street kids here in montreal that do Dillys like crack.  They make $5 and go get a 4mg pill for the rush, and then they're right back to making money.  The only difference here is that people with big tolerances and longer habits tend to get onto heroin because it's more cost effective.

A habit is a habit is a habit.  It doesn't matter if it's pills, seeds, or heroin.  It's all going to get you sick if you don't have it, and it's all going to influence your life IMHO.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Guts on April 17, 2016, 12:17:52 AM
I just think the logistics and price and the fact that people usually start shooting up when they get to H make it a little easier to get a big habit on it. Not a hard and fast rule though.

And isn't this the guy that does 1 Norco (wtf... my phone knows what a Norco and Lortab is... even capitalizes them...) a day? If that's really where his tolerance is at, he could easily kill himself.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: dizzle on April 17, 2016, 02:56:12 AM
I agree with you z, but the difference here is the op wasn't dong dilly's or oc, or fent, he was taking 10mg hydrocodone, THAT is why I encouraged him not to take the plunge. That's going from high school junior varsity to the nfl. No college no minor leagues, straight to the big leagues.


And guts, I get where you're coming from, as in the choice is already made when they make the thread, but u have to look at what the dude is saying, I mean, he has no reason to lie, and frankly I would like to thank him for being so open with us as to the reason he called it off, I mean, admitting he was picturing his kids and the idea of losing them isn't an easy thing to do on a public forum esp being a newer member.


Props to u jake Frazier, for real.

Even if u are just prolonging the inevitable, I have to give u mad props for making that call.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Wildcat on April 17, 2016, 11:39:12 AM
If you think about it......your brain is like a spoiled child; you take some oxy, or fent, or H, or whatever narcotic; and you like the way you feel; like a child who loves a big bowl of ice cream with whipped cream and sprinkles, it tastes soooo good/feels so good-your brain says; give me MORE.

You take it away and your receptors pitch a bitch!(w/d's)-like a screaming child who won't quiet down until you give it what it wants.
Title: Re: About to score my first point of H...
Post by: Guts on April 17, 2016, 11:51:18 AM
I hear you man. Jack did do well. I just think it would be foolish to think that the war has been won... but still, I don't mean to downplay the accomplishment because it is a big one. Willpower is in short supply in junky land. 
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