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Title: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: shoybs on March 02, 2016, 11:48:22 PM
Just curious about who else out there who has a doctor (general practitioner, not a specialist) who is just unfathomably stupid.

I fully believe that my doctor is. For one thing, she's a huge bitch and my whole family hates her. During every visit she always just sits there nodding her head and going "uh huh" as you explain your concerns, and typing on her laptop. I don't think I've ever had any kind of physical examination from her ever. The last time I saw her, she left the room momentarily and I peeked over at her laptop. She was literally typing my symptoms into WebMD for Christ's sake.

But my favorite time was when I saw her because of my addiction. Basically, I wanted to quit dope and get on suboxone, but I couldn't get in to see a sub doctor for three weeks. So I went to her to ask for help getting through those three weeks. Already knowing that she was a moron who I hated talking to, I wrote down a list of meds to help with detoxing, and gave it to her and said "Just, whatever you're comfortable prescribing, but I need something to help me get through this."
The list was:
Metoclopramide (Nausea/Vomiting)
Ondansetron (Nausea/Vomiting)
Clonidine (Blood Pressure/Tremors)
Zolpidem (Insomnia)
Methocarbamol (Muscle Pain)
Carisoprodol (Muscle Pain)
Clonazepam (Anxiety/Tremors)

She looked the list over and frowned, saying "Ooh, yeah I don't think I can prescribe any of these to you because I'm worried about side effects," and then said "Well, I guess I could write a one-week prescription of the 'clozapam' and give you two refills." I remember thinking The fuck? You mean the clonazepam? But I didn't say anything, instead I just kinda rolled with it. She gave me the script though and yep, good ol Klonopin, 1mg 3x daily. I was so pumped as I had literally never gotten a benzo script before, and fuck if I hadn't tried. Turns out all I needed to do was ask for it by fucking name. Although to be honest, I'm still not entirely sure if she even realized that she was prescribing me a benzo. It just kinda blew me away that she prescribed me that, and flat refused to prescribe me simple nausea or blood pressure meds, or even the mild skeletal muscle relaxants. That and the fact that she called it "clozapam" at least four times during the appointment.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on March 03, 2016, 01:29:25 AM
Mine is, a lot of people think he is a pill mill but he has chilled out on that. I liked that he was compassionate and gave me opana despite my age when I had proof of pain. But i know a lot of people who he gave oxys to because they said they were on them already and he didn't ask for proof from them or from me. He gave me opana my first appointment without any paperwork or scripts being brought in.

On the other hand he is very dumb and not thorough at all. All his appointments last 5-10 minutes tops and I think a lot of people go there for narcotics. I know a lot of people from my clinic who go their and everyone was getting a ton of benzos and opiates when I first started going, He has cut down a lot, but He won't test you for anything which is annoying.

I also hate that every single doctor including this one I have ever been to since I was 14 has asked or recommended that I try an anti depressant. I was on them from 14-19 and they never helped, always made things worse, especially suicidal thoughts. I got better after getting off them even though I still have anxiety and depression, opiates have stopped my panic attacks 100% so I hate being asked to try a different one every time I see a doctor. They guinea pigged me on 5 of them already I have been much better since I stopped taking them 6 years ago.

My doctor assumes I am fine which I probably am but I have been trying to get my testosterone levels tested for months as well as trying to figure out why my tremors are so bad. I can't eat with a fork or spoon sometimes. I have wanted to make sure I don't have diabetes or something from my sugar intake because of the shaking and my hands and face going numb but he won't even do a blood test for anything.

I think I have parkinsons some times because how bad the tremors gets especially if I try to hold anything in place or have controlled movement. My face and cheeks tremor when I smile and I drop shit constantly. Sometimes it is really bad where if I stand up my leg will noticeably shake like when you are extremely nervous but it does it out of no where. If i try to hold a pen in the same spot on a piece of paper my hand shakes so much that i make marks all over up to 6 inches away. I have all but 2 or 3 of the symptoms for it.

He just blows me off every time I ask about my tremors or bring up getting my testosterone tested. I have contemplated bringing in a vial of my blood so that he doesn't have to do anything except get a nurse to send it somewhere. Yeah maybe i am a bit of a hypochondriac but I am paying for the shit, it'd be nice to get something besides my monthly benzo and blood pressure script if I am going to a doctor anyway. Every male on my dads side of my family and on my moms are on testosterone replacement and most started around 35, it isn't unreasonable.

Anyone else have super high blood pressure because of MMT? Mine is directly related to done and my weight gain from being on done. It's always super high, and is worse the first 5 hours after taking it. I hardly ever take my blood pressure meds(bystolic) because I hate taking meds(that's ironic). I am hoping when I get down to a normal weight that it goes to normal but the done always makes pulse and bp high anyone else have this or know why it happens? Shouldn't it go down?

I am 180lbs now which is super fat for me as I have been 135 my entire life until I got on MMT. Within a year of starting done I got up to 225 which was 100lbs more than when I started. I dropped down to 185 when I got off after getting arrested and haven't gone up since getting back on thank god even though I eat candy constantly my dose is 90 instead of 280 so I think that is why.

 Sorry for the complete derail I may make my own thread or ask in the MMT side effects thread but I thank if I had a normal doctor I would of been tested a long time ago for all this shit.

Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Chip on March 03, 2016, 02:57:44 AM
I have had a bad doctor and I say this because she just wasn't understanding of our plight.

she obviously didn't like users and seemed to have little idea of what it's like to be on our end of the consultation.

maybe I was going through a difficult stage but since then, my doctors have been great.

a good doctor listens to their patients and should offer the best care possible.

I always advise people to try to change their doctor and that can be based on personality clashes, if nothing else.

my only advice is not to condemn your doctor to a new one because that doesn't benefit anyone plus doctors are more likely to defend each other and may think less of you for complaining.

much luck with that.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Sand and Water on March 03, 2016, 04:34:09 AM
Wow good thread!  My first thought after having to see so many different drs for my injury was literally "i . Just. Can't. Evengothere", & griffin & OP are sadly right about it often is the norm. All i can say is ^^^chipper is absolutely right. It's hard & often I've felt like another cog being pushed thru a machine. And I HATE the creaking typing into a computer vs an actual conversation.  Sorry for rant lol.

I think b/c its the "norm" when you're in the hospital or being examined in an office, its easy to forget how vulnerable that can make some of us feel. Plus the pressure of x number to be seen in "x" time (it was for me when I had many patients & so little time to give to any one person). But if you trash talk your former dr, you may actually be talking to his golfing buddy!  If you've got a good dr, hang on tight--if you have to find one, be nice & patience does usually pay off.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Z on March 03, 2016, 10:22:44 AM
I guess I'm lucky.  My doctor is very smart, extremely empathetic, and well informed.  He keeps up with new medications, and research studies around them. 


My wife's ob-gyn was amazing.  Amazing.  He was the lead physician for a group of doctors that do the methadone deliveries in Montreal.  He would stop and check research studies before prescribing something.  He took 20 minutes to explain the worries about paxil and pregnancy back in 2004 and quoted several studies as well as in process research.  If he didn't know something he would say "give me a minute" and find out.  This is back when everybody didn't have iphones, and doctors didn't write all their prescriptions on their computer and check the internet at the same time.


That guy is my hero.  He followed all three of our kids, and we have sent him pictures and letters after the fact.  The only art in his office were framed pictures his kids had drawn and pictures of babies he delivered.


I guess I have been lucky.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: shoybs on March 03, 2016, 12:28:36 PM
Wow Z your doc sounds awesome. Every doctor i see doesn't explain shit. And it always leads me to think they have no idea what they're doing. They just do what they do because "it's what other doctors do".

My sub doctor is the worst. He asks me how I'm doing and then i can instantly tell that he tunes out. Like i told him i lost my job - which if you're treating someone for addiction, should be a MAJOR concern - and he just said "mhm okay. Well we're gonna keep you on the same dose as last month, here's your prescription." And showed me out the door. Like really?? You're my fucking psychiatrist also dude! You don't have any follow up questions??

Also he reduces my sub script he reduces them by 3 strips every other month. And then he explains that what I'm supposed to do to taper is "just take one every day until i run out, then spend the last 3-6-9 days of the month with nothing, and then come for your next appointment and repeat next month". Seriously? Just detox for several days at the end of every month only to start all over next month?? That's fucking torture. No thanks dude, I'll just stick to cutting my strips and doing my taper my OWN way!
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Z on March 03, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
Also he reduces my sub script he reduces them by 3 strips every other month. And then he explains that what I'm supposed to do to taper is "just take one every day until i run out, then spend the last 3-6-9 days of the month with nothing, and then come for your next appointment and repeat next month". Seriously? Just detox for several days at the end of every month only to start all over next month?? That's fucking torture. No thanks dude, I'll just stick to cutting my strips and doing my taper my OWN way!


That's beyond inappropriate.  That's criminal.  I bet that you could make a complaint about your doctor and how you are forced into withdrawl for up to 9 days (or whatever) a month because of his prescribing policies.  You can't do that.  Doctor's are required to look out for the health and safety of their patients.


Here is how to file a complaint against a physician in the US:


Quote from: http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/physician-resources/medical-ethics/code-medical-ethics/frequently-asked-questions.page?
[/size]First, try to identify whether the conduct was unethical.
The first step in filing a complaint is to determine whether the physician has acted unethically or unprofessionally. Opinions in the AMA’s Code of Medical Ethics may be one way to determine this. The AMA and its Code of Medical Ethics have always maintained that physicians should provide competent medical care with compassion and with respect for patients. The AMA’s Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs (CEJA) has developed guidelines for physicians who strive to practice ethically.
Fundamental Elements of the Patient-Physician Relationship, Opinion 10.01 (http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/footer/privacy-policy.page?), outlines in general what the AMA believes to be the ethical basis of all interactions and relationships between physicians and patients. We hope it clearly articulates what the medical profession believes you can and should expect from physicians when you seek medical treatment.
Other Opinions of the Code of Medical Ethics may be accessed online by searching through the broad topic categories found in the table of contents (http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/footer/privacy-policy.page?).
Additionally, you may wish to contact one or more of the medical specialty societies. The AMA serves as an umbrella organization representing all state medical and national specialty societies. When a particular concern is related to psychiatry or surgery, for example, the specialty association may have policy or practice guidelines that are specific to that concern.

Next, take action.
Once you have determined that unethical or unprofessional conduct has occurred, there are a number of recommended steps you may choose to take. First, you may want to approach your physician and explain your concerns. Second, you may choose to report the behavior to another physician who works with your physician or who has treated you or a member of your family. Also, a number of hospitals and group practices have grievance mechanisms in place for patients to lodge complaints.

Other avenues for addressing complaints include the state medical society or licensing board. These organizations have appropriate investigative bodies at the local level that can review physicians’ conduct. If appropriate, the licensing board can take disciplinary action against a physician’s license to practice medicine. A comprehensive list of state medical licensing boards can be found at the
Federation of State Medical Board's (FSMB) website (http://www.fsmb.org/directory_smb.html).
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Chip on March 03, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
wow. that's cold. and he is forcing a taper and that is not on !

it also sounds like he wants you off his books and they say that there are quite a few that prescribe bupe so start looking for a new doctor.

that's not how it goes !

you have my full support and I would consider telling him what you told us so he knows your position on this matter.

I really hope that you can change doctors without too much stress - easy to say but hard to do.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on March 03, 2016, 03:24:23 PM
Remember guys, about 50% of doctors would not pick the same career path if they could do it over again. Half of these pricks are just in it for the money... I have never met a demographic with a higher chance of being a douche bag than doctors.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: shoybs on March 03, 2016, 04:37:42 PM
I don't think he's got anything against me personally, and he certainly doesn't intend to cause harm. He just flat out doesn't give a shit and he's ignorant, and in a way, that makes him the best sub doc around. Every other sub doc in the area requires weekly visits rather than monthly, which there's no way in hell i could afford.

His lack of fucks to give also means he's the easiest doctor to work with. I learned over time to just go in, answer a couple questions (no, I'm not seeing things, no, I'm not hearing voices) and just take the script and go.

I truly think that he just flat out has no idea how the medication he's prescribing works. Which, for me, is fine because i know all i need to know about it. But what worries me is other people. Other addicts that might not know anything about suboxone. Or even addicts with genuine mental health issues. Those people could potentially suffer from his lack of guidance.

Hell, he doesnt even prescribe subutex or do an induction. He doesn't even ask you when the last time you used was. In fact, his admittance policy states that you MUST submit a dirty piss test within 72 hours prior to your first appointment. The very first time i saw him i was detoxing from fentanyl and because they didnt test for fent, he wouldn't sign my prescription until i tested positive for something. So i ended up leaving his office and scoring a half gram of H, did it, and then went and took another piss test. I guess they do that to weed out people just trying to get a script to sell? But then on your first appointment he doesnt do an induction in-office or ask you when you last used, or even tell you how long to wait to take your first dose, he just prints out a script for 30 strips and sends you on your way. I wonder how many people found out about precipitated withdrawal the hard way because of that.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Roman Totale on March 03, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
Remember guys, about 50% of doctors would not pick the same career path if they could do it over again. Half of these pricks are just in it for the money... I have never met a demographic with a higher chance of being a douche bag than doctors.

The doctor vs lawyer douchebag contest is an interesting one. I've dealt with a lot of both, and it's hard to pick - each profession kind of attracts and fosters a totally different kind of douchiness. When the two collide, it's colossal.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: skramamme on March 04, 2016, 02:56:42 AM
I consider myself very lucky to have the Dr I do. His area of expertise is addiction and pain management.
He absolutely loathes the way the health department deals with addicts, especially addicts with complex pain issues.
He is very empathetic and genuinely tries to do what he can under the restrictions of the health department's prescribing policies.

OTOH I wouldn't cross him- from what I have heard if you try to pull the wool over his eyes and he finds out he will come down hard and I don't know how easy it would be to regain his trust (or if that would even be possible).

I have been pretty lucky in general with all the GP's I have seen relating to my addiction. "Normal" GP's are a different kettle of fish, if they know about any of my past issues I wouldn't even get tramadol. So thank god for the Dr I do have  ^-^
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on March 04, 2016, 05:37:34 AM
The doctor vs lawyer douchebag contest is an interesting one. I've dealt with a lot of both, and it's hard to pick - each profession kind of attracts and fosters a totally different kind of douchiness. When the two collide, it's colossal.

Hey, I only said *I* haven't met a demographic with more douches... I'm sure a few choice lawyers could change my mind :)

We have this guy on radio who calls himself Jim Adler the Texas hammer.... he's pretty douchey lol.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Z on March 04, 2016, 11:45:05 AM
The doctor vs lawyer douchebag contest is an interesting one. I've dealt with a lot of both, and it's hard to pick - each profession kind of attracts and fosters a totally different kind of douchiness. When the two collide, it's colossal.


I was going to say it, but I didn't want to.  I'm glad you did. Maybe medical lawyers are the sort of worlds colliding asshole uber alles of the world?
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: rcrumb on March 04, 2016, 04:25:12 PM
Using WebMD everytime you visit? Lol might want to do a little research on your doc and find out where she went to school/got her med degree.
She sounds phony, there are some docs out there who aren't even real fckin doctors. They practice medicine because fly by night clinics will hire them.

I've had tons of bad doctors, and the good ones I could count on 1 hand. With fingers left over.

Growing up I thought doctors were really smart and had it all together, turns out most of them don't. My brother almost died from a bad diagnosis by an Indian doctor who can barely speak English. Not saying anything against Indian doctors, I know there's bad white ones too. But not being able to communicate with your doctor because he doesn't speak adequate English is pretty ridiculous.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Roman Totale on March 05, 2016, 02:48:13 AM

I was going to say it, but I didn't want to.  I'm glad you did. Maybe medical lawyers are the sort of worlds colliding asshole uber alles of the world?

Actually I bet they cancel each other out and these are the nicest people around, lol.  But practicing medical doctors who are also a practicing attorneys must be as scarce as hen's teeth, at least in North America.  You'd need to put in like eighteen or twenty years of schooling and training to be bar-admitted and board-certified, and you can't even really make that much more money, since there's only so many billable hours in the week after all.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on April 02, 2016, 09:18:06 PM
So I posted earlier in this thread about asking my doc a few times about low T with no luck of getting tested, well now I really want to get on it, and want help on what I should do. I have brought it up to my doc like 4-5x but it never goes anywhere and I really want to get tested this month to see if I have low T because I have all the symptoms and I want some motivation/energy and to lose some weight. Im going on a diet and going to start working out a bit but I have zero motivation right now which sucks.

How should I approach this with my doc to get tested this month? If he won't test me should I find another doctor to do it? What kind of doctor should I goto? Family doctor/general practitioner? All the males in my family got on at 35 with no opiate use and I really hope this works for me and cures up some of the symptoms I have, I'd be kind of shocked if it wasn't low but I wont know until I get tested so I have to figure out to go about doing that.

I might see if the nurse will get a blood sample out of me before he comes in and then go from there, the doc is lazy and doesn't like appointments that are longer than 10 minutes so I could see that being the reason why he has blown it off every time I bring it up. Any tips would be appreciated though I have an appt in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: DeadCat on April 02, 2016, 09:44:00 PM
Mine is, a lot of people think he is a pill mill but he has chilled out on that. I liked that he was compassionate and gave me opana despite my age when I had proof of pain. But i know a lot of people who he gave oxys to because they said they were on them already and he didn't ask for proof from them or from me. He gave me opana my first appointment without any paperwork or scripts being brought in.

On the other hand he is very dumb and not thorough at all. All his appointments last 5-10 minutes tops and I think a lot of people go there for narcotics. I know a lot of people from my clinic who go their and everyone was getting a ton of benzos and opiates when I first started going, He has cut down a lot, but He won't test you for anything which is annoying.

I also hate that every single doctor including this one I have ever been to since I was 14 has asked or recommended that I try an anti depressant. I was on them from 14-19 and they never helped, always made things worse, especially suicidal thoughts. I got better after getting off them even though I still have anxiety and depression, opiates have stopped my panic attacks 100% so I hate being asked to try a different one every time I see a doctor. They guinea pigged me on 5 of them already I have been much better since I stopped taking them 6 years ago.

My doctor assumes I am fine which I probably am but I have been trying to get my testosterone levels tested for months as well as trying to figure out why my tremors are so bad. I can't eat with a fork or spoon sometimes. I have wanted to make sure I don't have diabetes or something from my sugar intake because of the shaking and my hands and face going numb but he won't even do a blood test for anything.


I think I have parkinsons some times because how bad the tremors gets especially if I try to hold anything in place or have controlled movement. My face and cheeks tremor when I smile and I drop shit constantly. Sometimes it is really bad where if I stand up my leg will noticeably shake like when you are extremely nervous but it does it out of no where. If i try to hold a pen in the same spot on a piece of paper my hand shakes so much that i make marks all over up to 6 inches away. I have all but 2 or 3 of the symptoms for it.

He just blows me off every time I ask about my tremors or bring up getting my testosterone tested. I have contemplated bringing in a vial of my blood so that he doesn't have to do anything except get a nurse to send it somewhere. Yeah maybe i am a bit of a hypochondriac but I am paying for the shit, it'd be nice to get something besides my monthly benzo and blood pressure script if I am going to a doctor anyway. Every male on my dads side of my family and on my moms are on testosterone replacement and most started around 35, it isn't unreasonable.

Anyone else have super high blood pressure because of MMT? Mine is directly related to done and my weight gain from being on done. It's always super high, and is worse the first 5 hours after taking it. I hardly ever take my blood pressure meds(bystolic) because I hate taking meds(that's ironic). I am hoping when I get down to a normal weight that it goes to normal but the done always makes pulse and bp high anyone else have this or know why it happens? Shouldn't it go down?

I am 180lbs now which is super fat for me as I have been 135 my entire life until I got on MMT. Within a year of starting done I got up to 225 which was 100lbs more than when I started. I dropped down to 185 when I got off after getting arrested and haven't gone up since getting back on thank god even though I eat candy constantly my dose is 90 instead of 280 so I think that is why.

 Sorry for the complete derail I may make my own thread or ask in the MMT side effects thread but I thank if I had a normal doctor I would of been tested a long time ago for all this shit.

I forget, do you have health insurance? If so, but even if not, ask you primary care doctor to give you a referral to an endocrinologist. There they can do the blood tests.

It's funny (not really) but obesity is much more likely to casue health problems than opiate use. Most people I know on methadone gains weight. I think I heard that now 1 in 3 Americans are expected to get diabetes because we are very much a country of fat people. Other symptoms include constant thirst and sweet tasting urine (no joke).



Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on April 02, 2016, 11:08:16 PM
I've got medicaid, I found a few sites of doctors that do testosterone specifically but none of them take insurance and seem like pill mills for testosterone. Yeah I gained 90lbs within 9 months of getting on MMT, I have lost 40 of it and am going on a diet again to try and lose another 30.

I have zero energy or motivation though I think some of this comes from the MMT but I have always been like that it's just a bit worse. I have always blamed it on my depression, and when I got on opiates all that stuff went away but now that I am on MMT it's back and seems worse.

I never get out of bed, besides school, and going to the bathroom or grocery store I am in my bed most of the day and have zero motivation to get out. I lost 25lbs when I got arrested and stayed off MMT for 4 months and another 15 when I first started and have stayed at this weight despite having an awful diet which consists of 75% junk food and candy.

I am hoping the diet and exercise will help me lose weight and get some energy and motivation back. I think that since I am fat I consider myself extremely unattractive and that is making the depression/laziness worse so hopefully I can get in shape and get some confidence back. I always thought I was unattractive though and had a borderline eating disorder when I was younger.

I was fat when I was like 12 when I got into middle school I started putting on sweat suits and exercising all day and never eating I got down to 120lbs and stayed there until I got out of high school. Then went back down to 120 when I got on opiates. I considered myself fat at 135(i'm 5'9 145 is a healthy weight for me). I was always worried about my weight partly due to wrestling but mostly because I hate being fat.

When I got on MMT I blew up and it has killed my confidence completely, plus i have a lazy eye that has gotten way worse this last year idk why, my left eye is looking to the left when my right eye is straight I look like crazy eyes on big daddy 90% of the time now which I hate. I think I am going to get glasses to see if that helps make it less noticeable, I need to wear them anyway my vision is 20/80.

Your right about obesity being a huge problem, it's worse than most things. My oldest brother has been big his whole life in 8th grade he was over 200, and now he is closer to 300. We are starting to worry about the health effects now. Diabetes, cholesterol, heart problems, and everything else associated with it. I pray that testosterone helps me lose weight because I am going to go anorexic again if I don't get laid this year.

I just emailed medicaid about what I need to do to get it covered, and what doctors I can goto that test and prescribe for it. I hope my doctor that I have been seeing for the last 2 years just tests me and sends in the paperwork if I am low, and that it helps with some of these problems I have, cause I need help.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: neighbor on April 03, 2016, 12:14:48 AM
last time I saw a doctor, I was depressed as hell and told him I was having trouble doing normal activities.

he proceeds to talk about agoraphobia and tried to look it up on his computer but was pronouncing and spelling it "agrophobia" so he could even find it.

I know there are good doctors out there but this whole "anyone can be a doctor" mentality is hurting the profession tremendously
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on April 03, 2016, 07:37:16 AM
Hah at least it being called agro phobia makes sense, I can't leave my house I am scared of all the agriculture or some shit.. hah. Do you mean everyone thinks they are a doctor because they look up random shit on webmd or people thinking they can become doctors when they should not be doctors?
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on April 03, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Push for the test. Don't take no for am answer... it shouldn't be too hard... it's done like any other blood test. Once you have the results, make sure you go early morning to take the test, a script will be easy to get. But that does not mean you will get injectables. Make sure to get your estrogen levels checked too so you can get a baseline... it'll be important if you need meds to suppress your e later.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: neighbor on April 03, 2016, 01:19:43 PM
Hah at least it being called agro phobia makes sense, I can't leave my house I am scared of all the agriculture or some shit.. hah. Do you mean everyone thinks they are a doctor because they look up random shit on webmd or people thinking they can become doctors when they should not be doctors?

the latter; just because you got through med school, that doesn't qualify you to be a good healthcare professional

I dont have a problem with a doctor using the internet during consult now and then, theres an infinite amount of shit they need to know at all times. But if you've been a doctor for over 20 years like that guy was, and you cannot find agoraphobia even with the help of a computer because you dont know how to say it or spell it, maybe its time to stop pretending to be a doctor.

Maybe I'm being too hard on the profession, and that its my fault for seeing a GP instead of a mental health pro, but I don't think we should be telling kids that everyone can be Cosmonaut Attorney, MD. I'd tell my kid that anyone can try to be whatever they want, but that some things are going to fit more than others.

Why do I get the feeling that standards for hair stylists are higher than they are for doctors? Is it just down to the efficacy of mirrors?

Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: DeadCat on April 03, 2016, 01:39:39 PM
With all the specialization that occurs in the field I think some doctors are just in the wrong field. None of them are out and out morons. Some should be in a lab doing trials others should be pediatricians but few can fill the role of all-around GP who just happens to be extremely competent with anything that crosses his path.  I'm thinking of TV doctors who, at a glance off the top of their heads, without research diagnose and know treatment for all things.

When my mother had breast cancer, I went with her to meet the oncologyst who was to oversee her chemo. The woman NEVER explained to my mom WHAT cancer even is, let alone why she insisted she undergo chemo for a statistically better chance at a less than overwhelmng proof of efficacy. This was her all-day specialty and she couldn't explain WHY she was asking my mom to undergo a year of hell and couldn't promise any better outcome. She no bedside manner, none. She hardly had any interpsersonal skill I that I could see.

If you find a good GP who doesn't judge you or have some other agenda (seeing the maximum patients per hour for the HMO or insurance company) try to keep them and ask for referrals in areas you feel they are out of their depth.

Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on April 04, 2016, 03:00:05 AM
A good doctor is damn near impossible to find... how many doctors would actually admit they don't know something? I feel like most 'em would just swing the knife anyways...

Oh and Griffin, I'm 5'9" and weigh about 175 lbs right now... but, truthfully, I don't think anybody would say I'm fat. Even though the charts do... testosterone tends to do that to you.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on April 04, 2016, 12:42:25 PM
Yeah my brother is an inch shorter than me and 10 lbs heavier and doesn't have any fat on him, I just have always been small, have a small frame, and don't have much muscle mass, but luckily I am stronger than I look. I am going to see the doc in 2 weeks, I haven't had any luck finding anyone who specializes in it who takes medicaid so far but I am going to keep looking. I'm looking for a new gp too. I like mine mainly because he writes me benzos and his appts only take 5 minutes but when something is actually wrong he isn't very good.

He offers me anti-depressants a lot. I HATE when docs do that, they seem like such money grubbers. Every single appointment he asks me how much longer am I going to be on methadone and that I need to get off it immediately. Same guy who prescribed me opana and benzos my first appointment without any of my medical history or records. He was known at my clinic for giving everyone an opiate, a benzo, and adderal. He was sued after one of his patients was arrested selling pills and now he's more thorough and only prescribes benzos if you are a new patient.

I think it was more about money than compassion but who knows. I really dreaded when my clinic had to tell him I was on done once I got the benzo script. Does everyone else clinic do this? To keep your benzo script they are required to fax the doctor a letter letting them know you are on done, your dose, and the effects of being on benzos and done at the same time and then call and confirm that he received it before your UAs are allowed to have benzos in them.

 It is a good idea probably but it was annoying. He has cut my benzo script down each visit, since I started I now get 30 1 mg ativan and 20 .25 xanax a month. The first appt he started me on 90 20 mg opana, 90 1 mg xanax, and 90 10 mg valium. He took me off the opiates in the first 6 months, and every appointment he cuts the benzos a little bit either quantity or dose.

That is what I want with the benzos because it lasts me 2-4 days each month and I don't take any more throughout the month. I have stayed away from a habit for almost 2 years this way, with minimal destruction to my life. Benzos and me don't mix well I always fuck something up but haven't been able to say no to the script yet. They do me more harm then good honestly but I need to feel a little something other wise I go crazy, thats why 3 days of the months my posts don't make sense(hah probably way more than that but you know what I mean

Neighbor. I have only seen one good doctor in my life so far that was a GP. He was an older guy, and very into homeopathic remedies and tried to stay away from antibiotics if possible I wish I still had his recipe for tea that helps with colds and flu. It was like elderberry tea with honey and a bunch of other stuff like peppermint, ginger, lemon, it really worked.

I have always been interested if it would help with w/d especially oscillococcinum I made a thread about it on ophile a few years ago and a few people had tried it and said it doesn't work at all, and that it was made from goose shit or something, but I'd still like to hear if anyone else has tried it or any other homeopathic remedies that helped.

He was the one who told me about using honey that was produced close to where you live to help with allergies, because it has some of the allergens in your area in it and helps you build a tolerance or something. I wish we all were a little bit more reserved with the use of antibiotics (I believe 75% of all anti-biotics produced go to factory farms for animals, and that has got to be fucking us.) Medically resistant anything scare the shit out of me, like mrsa, no thanks!

Thanks for the info on getting my T levels checked, Ill update you guys of my next appointment or if I find someone else who will do it. Everywhere else doesn't take any insurance and are $300+ a month cash pay to get on it. They don't seem much better than any drug dealer other than they send your blood work to a lab and unless your above normal you get approved.

Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on April 04, 2016, 01:47:54 PM
GPs can and do prescribe testosterone. Most doctors will want to start you on the gel though... are you okay with that?

Really, once you get your levels checked (there's places you can pay out of pocket to get specific things checked... it's expensive though... like $50 for testosterone... and another $50 for estrogen or something... they charge you for each thing you want to get tested), you could start your own regimen with a little bit of research.

Most people doing testosterone replacement therapy, not body building doses, are going to dose around 100-250 mgs a week. Probably in the middle. Doctors will want to put you on the lower end but I find most people say they feel their best with a little extra. Just to give you an example, a 250 mg dose of testosterone gets *me* to around 1400 ng/dl when tested one day after an injection. This dose makes me feel *great*. The highest natural testosterone levels are in the 1200 ng/dl range and most doctors will probably not want to take you above 800 ng/dl.

On the web, I can buy a 450 mg/per ml testosterone blend (it's just different esters of testosterone... basically the only difference is half life and one ester might weigh a little more than another) that comes in a 10 ml bottle for about $70. So 4500 mgs of testosterone. Now, you do have to factor in shipping charges and western union fees, and there might be a minimum order, but that one bottle is enough to last you months doing a weekly dose ~200 mgs.

*Dont forget to get your estrogen levels checked and make sure they don't get too high!*
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on April 04, 2016, 03:39:56 PM
Do you know if probation or other UAs like from the clinic test for it? I am fine with anything, are there pills as well? Is the shot the best way to go? If you don't mind me asking how old were you when you got on it or found you had low T? Is there anything wrong with the gel? The only thing I have read is that it could rub off on other people and how much actually gets in your system is different for everyone so they have to wait and see how well it gets in your system through it going on the skin.

It seems like an easier alternative than a weekly shot. I hate having anything on me though especially lotion on my hands or anywhere really. It makes me feel like I wouldn't be able to turn a door knob the whole day, but I am fine after a minute. I think I am borderline autistic or aspergers because I hate when people touch me or having wet hands, or anything on me. That is one reason restaurants love me I wash my hands every 5 minutes because I hate having stuff on them. I don't think the gel would bother me enough not to use it though.

Is having increased estrogen a common sign for people with low T, or are they usually both low? Does your Estrogen levels rise when you are on testosterone as well? What are the side effects of that? Gynecomastia? shrinking balls? Has anyone experienced weight gain from testosterone? That would suck unless it was muscle. I hope this gives me that extra bump I am looking for with the motivation, depression, sex drive, and energy.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on April 04, 2016, 04:05:19 PM
I doubt it... you have to do a blood test to test for testosterone, I don't think you can use urine.

I was like 25 I think.

The gel can indeed rub off on others and cause side effects. Other than that, it's a daily thing vs weekly. And I think you just don't have as much control over dosages with it... you can only get your testosterone levels so high with the gel. No body builders use the gel because of that. There are pills but they are toxic to your liver or kidneys or something. It's best to use testosterone parentally. And the gel is used under the armpits... I don't know if this would prevent you from being able to use deodorant? We methadoners sweat enough as it is... they have patches too. I think you actually put them on your ball sack.

Your body maintains a ratio with testosterone and estrogen. So, and this is made up, if it's a 10 to 1 ratio, your estrogen will go up accordingly if you take your testosterone to 1000. If your estrogen gets too high, you could experience side effects like gynecomastia. This is easily controlled by using aromatase inhibitors (these come in a pill). However, you need some estrogen. Destroying all your estrogen will actually kill your libido too. So it's a good idea to know what your baseline is. Because dosage is going to be different for everyone and it's going to be a guess and check type of thing. This way you'll have an idea of how low you need to go.

Just having low testosterone (number wise) does not mean you will necessarily have symptoms of low T. Everyone is different and the numbers are just a guideline... some people feel fine with 400 ng/dl. Same with high estrogen. You may or may not be sensitive to gynecomastia.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Chip on April 04, 2016, 04:33:44 PM
fyi, in Aus, getting caught with unscripted steroids is worse than regular drugs.

we have a culture of drinking here and they say that violence is aggravated by steroids ... things were getting out of hand so they introduced bar/club lockout/sale bans laws a while ago and this was an unmentioned part of that.

it must be different in the US ...
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on April 26, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
So I had an appointment with my doctor today and he told me that I will have to schedule an appointment at 8:30 AM to get my T levels tested. He couldn't test them right then, which is fine if that's how it's done, but I told them this over the phone when I scheduled this appointment. I wish they could of done it today instead of me waiting another week. I want to know if this is one of the causes of all the weight gain, no energy, no motivation or strength, no libido, depression, the eating and sleeping problems, and all my low self esteem/confidence.

My doctor then said he wouldn't start me on T supplements until I get off of methadone completely! I don't want off methadone at all!!! He says that is what is causing it, and that its bad for me. He hassles me about getting off of MMT every single appointment, he doesn't prescribe it to me. I get it from the clinic.

He also said that if my levels are low and he does decide to start me on supplements after I get off done, then he would only get me back to the normal range and then take me off of it asap since I am so young(25). What would by my normal range? How would I maintain that range?
I thought it'd be a continuous treatment to keep my levels at a normal range. I figure if he gave me testosterone for a month and it got back to normal wouldn't it go right back down after I stopped taking it? I guess I could be wrong any info would be appreciated!

My clinic has also been giving me problems that I posted in another thread ( http://forum.drugs-and-users.org/index.php/topic,2237.0.html ). They are forcing me and everyone else to have a family counseling session in order to get weeklies which is a huge problem for me that I am praying I have figured out. They are also doubling everyones monthly groups that we have to do on top of the monthly 1.5hr counseling sesh.

This family counseling session shenanigans has pushed back me a month on getting my weeklies and eventually biweeklies. Which doesn't sound like much but it's 5 hours a month of driving I wouldn't have to do and if you've read any of my numerous complaining posts of my methadone DUI than you probably understand how I feel about driving. Especially to the clinic, having take-homes in my car since I don't have 4th amendment rights and can be searched at anytime because I am on probation. Plus the money I'd save on gas.

My whole family has low T and none of them use any drugs what so ever before getting on Testosterone. Does weed effect testosterone levels, because I stopped smoking weed at the same time I got on methadone. When I stopped smoking weed I felt like I started having some of the side effects of having low T that I didn't have when I was smoking.


Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Z on April 27, 2016, 07:51:32 AM
Yeah, your doctor is a moron for sure.  I would take advantage of the blood test to find out if low t is the issue.  Then you could take the test to the clinic doc, and ask if they would consider doing something because it's probably caused by methadone.

The goal of trt is to get into the normal range.  Once you stop your levels tend to go back to where they were.  There are other things they could do as well.

There are docs in the us that will script test no questions if you have a low testosterone level.  One of my family members runs a few in the Midwest. Check out med spa, and specialist hormone replacement clinics.  If you Google trt medspa with your city you should find a place.

fyi, in Aus, getting caught with unscripted steroids is worse than regular drugs.
...
it must be different in the US ...

In Canada it is legal to have grey market steroids for personal use.  It's only illegal to sell them.  That's what I've read a few times at least.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on April 27, 2016, 09:14:23 AM
Your doctor is right in a sense. Methadone is what's causing your testosterone to be low and if you get off, there's a good chance it'll rebound. He's probably talking about using a drug called clomid. I don't know too much about it but body builders use it after a cycle to restart their natural testosterone production.

Know that, if you start on the test replacement, there's a GOOD chance that your testosterone levels will always be compromised and your body will never make it on its own... at least not in normal amounts. So even if you get off Methadone down the road, there's a good chance you won't be able to get off the testosterone. Choose wisely man... if you plan on being Methadone for a while, at least into your 40s, it's probably worth it. By then, your testosterone will probably start to naturally be on the low side.

As far as what a "normal" level is, it's different for everyone. Clinically, something like 300-1200 ng/dl is considered normal. That's a huge range though... just because your numbers are low, doesn't mean you'll have symptoms of low test. Some men will have symptoms of low test at 400 ng/dl and others will be just fine.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Z on April 27, 2016, 11:17:42 AM
Sometimes they'll use an aromatase inhibitor like arimidex instead.  If that's what he's talking about, then it could be a good solution.  I read the post differently, and my bad if I read it wrong.

Here Dr Llewellyn explains it well: http://williamllewellyn.com/arimidex-vs-femara-for-increasing-testosterone-in-men-hrt/
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on April 28, 2016, 10:29:27 AM
Guts most all the males in my entire family on both my mom and dads side have low T and none of them have taken any opiates or benzos at all in their life. My dad, my uncles, grandpa and on my moms side her cousins even some of the females too. They started taking replacement Testosterone in their 30s though.

I have been on opiates everyday for over 6 years. When I was off methadone for 4 months last year the major problems that I am having now were happening then but way worse, except for the libido. I was doing what I could to boost my T levels with certain foods and exercise. Before I was ever on opiates as a teenager I had a lot of the signs & symptoms of having low T too, but thought it was my depression, anxiety and that stuff.

I don't see why he is trying to force me off methadone before he will try the testosterone replacements on me. The one he said he might try i can't remember it sounded like i would take it a few times get to normal and that would be it but idk. I want on done for life right now! and would like to feel normal if T could make me that way itd be so amazing!!!!!

I am happy that I will get the levels tested and know where I am at, that will help me so much even if it is normal. If my levels are in the 250-300 would they do anything or call that normal? Does it depend on the doctor?  Do you think that if I get the test that shows that mine are super low especially for my age that they will get me to the level my age is supposed to be or to the level of what 35+ year olds should be since I am only 25? Sorry for all the questions I don't think my dr knows what he's talking about and he has never done it for someone my age.

When I was on 280mg of done before my DUI arrest, I had motivation, energy, and wasn't ever tired. I worked manual labor 40 hours a week and school full time without a problem, plus I had muscle tone and didn't feel weak. I didn't have these sleep problems at all either, the weight gain and my diet was the only thing that was bad when I was on 280mg. I gained 100 lbs in a year when I started it and I have never been fat a day in my life and now I am fucking ugly and huge with ZERO confidence adding to my social depression and me never leaving my house.

Now I am on 90mgs, I haven't gained very much weight which is nice cause my diet is complete shit. 3 weeks ago I started trying to diet but the sugar cravings and lack of motivation has made it hard to keep to it. It is so bad that I wont want to spend the time to peel an orange, or go upstairs to my pantry. I will hold my piss until I can't anymore so I don't have to get up to go use the restroom. Its fucked up that I hate leaving my bed for anything. The opiates usually take care of the sadness/depression but damn.

 I am so depressed and unmotivated its like severe depression but without the insane sadness, I get sad but its because of whats going on. The done makes me like life and happy its these side effects & other shit that make me have all the signs of severe depression.

 I was able to lose 25lbs in the 4 months I was clean from my arrest and I lost 20 more in the first month or so after I started back on MMT but now I am gaining weight again. I have no muscle tone or strength, and zero energy and motivation even though it's my favorite time of year and the weather is perfect outside I am in bed 18+ hours every single day usually like 23 hours in bed every day 4 days a week less of these side effects except for weight gain, 

I don't want to get off methadone ever at least not in the foreseeable future i am miserable without completely i would beg for this if i wasn't on opiates I wonder why i didn't experience some of the other symptoms like no motivation energy or drive or anything when I was on 280 like now I am on 90 I had them but they weren't as bad at all i want to stay in my bed forever and it is fucking up my life hard~~
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on May 12, 2016, 06:52:49 PM
I finally got my blood work back and from what i can tell my testosterone is really low for my age, its 361 and my free testosterone levels are 4.5. I am 25 and according to this sites graph i have the testosterone of an 85 year old man and 95% of people my age average around 1005 and 13 for free T. http://elitemensguide.com/testosterone-levels-by-age/ I am guessing that this is why my I am having a lot of the symptoms of low T.

For the bad news, my doctor said he will test me again when I have been off methadone for 2 months. He said that is why it is low and he will test me in 2 months(cause I told him I got off it this week) and if it is still low then he will see about putting me on something to help it out. So i guess I will try to find another doctor who will just put me on it seeing how my levels are pretty low.

Can someone who knows more about levels fill me in on if mine are low and if you think that it's causing some of the symptoms I am having. From the articles I have read it seems really low for my age but I am wondering if it is low enough for me to be put on something for it, and what some of your levels were when you were put on it.

Thanks for all the help so far i am glad I know what my levels are now I just gotta find a doc who will put me on something if it will help, I don't want to wait until the end of july to get tested again and then see about putting me on something as I want to see if it will help me get back to normal now.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: catsim on May 14, 2016, 06:33:24 PM
need help dont know the rules and have legit problems
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Anti-hero on May 15, 2016, 03:32:58 AM
 My ex neuro  doc was a idiot. Has answer to everything was a script. It only took three MRIs to get a ms diagnosis.
  He was billing my insurance company for shit he wasn't doing. Adjustments, Massages, Steroid injections, ect

 He never did anything but write me scripts. I had to demand he find out why my TBI wasn't getting better after three years. I was getting worse.

 So three MRIs latter I got a MS diagnosis. I fired his ass. Got a new doc and like in less then three weeks I feel better. People IRL have noticed too. They say I'm speaking clearer, walking better and even look better.

 I now believe doctors are no better then used car sales men. Trying to put a pool in there back yard. Just trying to make money. Tell them what you want. They work for you. You are not there test subjects. If they are not making you feel better or get better fire there ass. Get another one that will do what you want. Ask for the model with the cup holder. If they won't give it to you shop. Use the propublica web site

https://projects.propublica.org/checkup/statebystate.

Good luck in finding a good salesman.

JMHO
Antihero
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: DeadCat on May 15, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
I finally got my blood work back and from what i can tell my testosterone is really low for my age, its 361 and my free testosterone levels are 4.5. I am 25 and according to this sites graph i have the testosterone of an 85 year old man and 95% of people my age average around 1005 and 13 for free T. http://elitemensguide.com/testosterone-levels-by-age/ I am guessing that this is why my I am having a lot of the symptoms of low T.

For the bad news, my doctor said he will test me again when I have been off methadone for 2 months. He said that is why it is low and he will test me in 2 months(cause I told him I got off it this week) and if it is still low then he will see about putting me on something to help it out. So i guess I will try to find another doctor who will just put me on it seeing how my levels are pretty low.

Can someone who knows more about levels fill me in on if mine are low and if you think that it's causing some of the symptoms I am having. From the articles I have read it seems really low for my age but I am wondering if it is low enough for me to be put on something for it, and what some of your levels were when you were put on it.

Thanks for all the help so far i am glad I know what my levels are now I just gotta find a doc who will put me on something if it will help, I don't want to wait until the end of july to get tested again and then see about putting me on something as I want to see if it will help me get back to normal now.


Im confused. Did you tell this doctor that you will be completely and permantly off methadone in less than 2 weeks? He can't be asking you to detox to be tested to get a baseline reding all in less than 2 weeks?

If you plan on not quitting then there's no reason not to start replacement treatment sooner than later.

Oddly enough, when I was suspicious about my levels I told the specialist tht I was taing buprenorphine and was afraid it was supressing natural production and he statred giving it to me right away. One not, for many years I was taking about 2 or 3 mg of buprenorphine a day and did notat all feel like I might have low T. Then I got insurance and still thinking lik a junkie (always keep a stockpile) I asked for and got 16 mg /day and soon I was taking that much and the symptoms came along soon after.

The point is, if we who are on maintenance can keep our dosing low enough, it may not be an issue for testosterone production.

Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on May 16, 2016, 12:16:21 PM
My doc said he won't give me anything for it until I have been off methadone for 2 months, even though I have been telling him for the last year that I am wanting to do it long term and have no reason to get off, I was off for 4 miserable months last year I am not ready and its not worth feeling like shit all the time. So even though I have been telling him this and been asking for a testosterone test for the last year he hasnt given it to me.

2 weeks agp he finally did the test when I made it clear I wasn't taking no for an answer so he scheduled me to have my T levels checked the following week when they opened  at 8 and told me not to eat or drink anything besides water after 10 pm. The reason he has been giving me for not testing is because he says the methadone is causing it and I need to get off of it, he has been saying I need off of it since I told him I was on it.

He told me he won't start me on any T replacement until I have been off methadone for 2 months and test low again. So I told him I got off of methadone after he told me how low mine was in hopes that he might start me on it or even just to try it out for 2 weeks or a month to see if it get my levels normal and then see about taking me off and seeing what happens when i get back to a normal amount.

My MMT counselor scheduled me an appt with my done dr so that he can explain testosterone and done a little more to me. I'm going to have him write a letter to my other doc saying that he should start me on testosterone and that I need to stay on methadone, or whatever to show him that he needs to put me on it and that I don't need to come off MMT to be given meds that will give me a lot better quality of life. If he doesn't give me testosterone this next appt after I give him the letter from my mmt doc I'm going to find a new Primary doctor who will.

What is weird to me is that when I was on 280mg before I got arrested I didn't have a lot of the problems I am having now on 90 mg, like having no energy or motivation, being tired all the time, feeling weak, losing muscle mass, my sex drive is almost non-existent, and I cant sleep.

I am also a bit depressed which could cause a lot of these symptoms but its been like this for a while now and I know when I am depressed it's different. I think the reason I am feeling depressed is because I have no energy, sex drive, and being fat. I used to never have any problems with sleep, strength, motivation, or energy before I got arrested and went 4 months w/o and got back on 90.

WARNING TMI ABOUT POOP below!!!!


The weirdest thing to me is that on 280mg I had no issues with constipation. I ate purely junk food and had that best regularity and consistency I have had in my whole life, no footballs, rabbit shit, or runs at all when I was on 280 it was like medically perfect health shit. When I was off for the 4 months it was awful like cow shit or worse non stop runs, and now on 90mg I shit 3-4 times a week and it's always a 1 or 2 on this scale even with healthy high fiber food and stool softeners, on 280 it was a 4 twice a day and I ate 90% candy. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/BristolStoolChart.png

I don't get it, I am very happy that it wasn't like when I was on subs or using because that was awful, I couldn't shit to save my life only once every week or 2 and usually only with the help of an enema. Getting on done has been a life saver just the fact that I don't have to deal with that I am grateful, there are few things worse than constipation I am just glad mine just looks bad.

However a lot of the side effects with the lower dose did get much better though like I sweat less, and I haven't gained any weight since getting back on. When I first got on MMT I went from 130 to 230 in a little over a year even though I was walking a few miles every day and working manual labor but I eat much healthier now and have been able to stay at 180 but I can't lose it to save my life.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on May 16, 2016, 12:33:23 PM
361 is *technically* not low. The "normal" range is something like 300-1200. It's a huge range... thing is, the numbers are more of a guideline. My brother in law got his testosterone tested and was surprised to find out it was in the 300s because he has no symptoms of low testosterone. A level of testosterone that may cause symptoms in one person may not in another. All that being said, 361 is definitely on the lower end and is probably the cause of your symptoms. Point is, don't get too caught up in the numbers. Get yourself to a testosterone level that makes you feel good.

It shouldn't be too hard to find a doctor that will prescribe testosterone to you now that you have your results. It might be tough to find a doctor that will prescribe injectable testosterone though. And even if you do get injectable test, they may not prescribe as much as you want. Usually doctors will do 100 mgs a week... I feel my best at 200-250 mgs a week. If you get fed up with the know it alls, you can always self prescribe. It's pretty easy to get and cheap online.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on May 16, 2016, 01:02:26 PM
Yeah thats a good tip thanks guts, I think you are right I read that online that it varies so much person to person that there is no normal and some people have symptoms under 500 and some people are fine at 300. thats why I am going to bring in that info from the website I posted showing that 95% of people my age have testosterone levels around 1005 and free around 13 and that I am on the lower side of the bottom 5 percent of people my age.

I am pretty sure that its the reason for why I am feeling the way I do though, because my dad and 3 uncles who have it had pretty much the exact same symptoms and they all said that they went away almost immediately and they have never touched opiates Even if it works as a placebo effect for me anything that helps I want to try. I just can't see how it wouldn't make me more normal. All the men on my dads side and a lot of the men on my moms side have it so I think that is why it will work for me because all the problems related to it I have.

I really hope that this doctor just gives me the testosterone this week and that it fixes me because I feel broke, I definitely am going to take your advice though guts and not worry about the numbers and base it on how I feel, and pray that this makes me normal. I can't explain how much feeling like this has affected my life. I have lost jobs, and I should of got 3 A's this semester instead of 1 A and 2 B's, It's like I am always tired and depressed and no matter how much I want to go out and live my life i don't because of this plus my non existent self esteem is not helping my sex drive.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on May 23, 2016, 12:24:05 PM
Here is a chart from a study on methadone's effect on testosterone levels:

(https://forum.drugs-and-users.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticle-assets%2Fnpg%2Fsrep%2F2014%2F140826%2Fsrep06189%2Fimages_hires%2Fm685%2Fsrep06189-f2.jpg&hash=cc0fe016143c4ca2d8757924cc66b26863a26554)

As you can see, no matter what the dose, all of them are low. There are a couple people able to maintain test levels above 300 ng/dl but I guarantee they were at much higher levels before the methadone. Besides, that's at the very low end of the "normal" scale andl is low enough to cause symptoma in most men. Methadone effectively castrates men... some of the men on that chart are almost literally at 0! Yet none of these punk ass know it all doctors mention this horrid side effect when you're getting on the stuff. Doctors are simply educated pharmaceutical reps.

@Griffin I absolutely cannot tolerate methadone without testosterone replacement therapy... I was so depressed. It makes a world of difference physically and mentally. Now that you have your test results man, I don't think it would hurt to order some testosterone online to hold you over until you find a doctor willing to prescribe it. I mean, you should be able to use your low test results for a certain amount of time as long as you got tested in the morning.

Here's a link to the full article if you're interested:

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep06189
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on May 23, 2016, 12:41:09 PM
I am praying my doctor puts me on it and that it helps, my done doctor said that if my gp wont put me on it that he will consider doing it for me his only worry is that he is leaving the clinic this year so he wont be able to give it to me for very long. Which sucks because he is an awesome doctor he explains just about everything to all the patients and is very smart and cool doesn't trea anyone badly or like a druggie and is an all around nice guy.

I am pretty sure that if my gp doc doesn't give it to me Tuesday that if I ask my MMT dr to prescribe it for me he will. That way I can see if it will help me even if he can only give it to me for a few months that is enough time to see if it will help me with the problems I am having. If it does work after he retires my other doctor can see that someone else put me on it and that it is working and might be a little less apprehensive about it, or I will know that I need to find a doctor to prescribe it to me because it's what I need.

At the very least it might give me a little boost to be closer to normal. Does anyone know if they can prescribe more than a month at a time if it is the cream stuff and if there is a limit to the amount of refills. If he starts giving it to me and it works then the month he retires he can just give me as many refills as possible while I figure out from my other doctor if he will continue me on it or find someone who will.

My mmt doctor says he has prescribed it for a few patients before and that a lot of other patients are on testosterone there. He also is going to send in the form to get medicaid to approve it for me when he gets my blood work paperwork faxed to him.

Does anyone know if they will let you give yourself shots of it? Like prescribe the weekly or biweekly vials and let you inject yourself with it instead of having to goto a doctor every week or 2. That'd be cool to get 3 or 6 months worth of shots and come in every now in then for blood work.I thought that is what my dad had I remember seeing a bunch of vials in our fridge and needles, but my uncle said the androgel didn't work for him and he wasn't allowed to administer the shots to himself.

Has anyone else had a problem with the gels or creams like it not helping or it causing other problems? If you have had both the shots and gels which do you like more and how often do you have to take the shots? Was there any gels that worked better or worse than others?
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on May 23, 2016, 12:51:28 PM
If you can, ask Zoops how he's feeling and how much of a difference it made... he just got on testosterone not too long ago. He's not on methadone's but does use opiates. He also got prescribed injections so you could maybe ask him if he said anything specific to get them?

You can definitely get prescribed vials and inject them yourself but I don't know how many months you're allowed to get. I would insist on the vials if it was me... although I've never tried the gel, I don't think it works nearly as well. Don't quote me on this but I don't think you can get your numbers much above 5-600 with the gel. Plus you have to apply it every day instead of weekly. If you do get the gel and don't get good results, definitely try the injectables before giving up.

From what you're saying, all the symptoms fit. I cannot stress strongly enough how much it helped me. It made a world of difference... took me from damn near suicidal to FUCK YEA! in one injection.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on May 23, 2016, 01:01:11 PM
Thats what I am praying for, because like I said I am sleeping 18+ hours a day have zero energy motivation, i feel like I am super depressed without the suicidal hate myself depression, just like the symptoms of wanting to stay in bed all day but I am not necessarily sad. I mainly just want to not be fat anymore it's sad that the only reason I want to do drugs is so I can lose all this weight and look normal again, I don't have cravings but I have zero self esteem now, and the diet isn't helping and I am to tired and unmotivated to work out.

I made my school schedule have an 90 minutes in between classes where I am going to force myself to work out and try everything I can to build muscle and lose fat and pray that helps with my testosterone levels, strength, and weight. I am getting back into paintball too so that is 2 days a week of lots of exercise too. I just hope that the testosterone fills in the gap I am in and from what I have heard is that is what usually happens is people go from feeling like me to 100% pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on May 23, 2016, 01:55:13 PM
I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt that working out or anything "natural" like that is going to make much of a difference in your test levels... personally I just didn't have the motivation or energy to even think about working out before I got on testosterone. After testosterone, I love walking my dogs. According to my phone, I average about 30,000 steps a day which is about 15 miles. I got myself going to the gym for a couple weeks a couple times and doing weight training but I haven't been able to make it a habit yet. I'm actually planning on going today or tomorrow to give it another go. It's actually really fun and helps me feel good about my body and relieve stress. I'm just lazy sometimes...
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on May 26, 2016, 05:02:53 PM
So doctor who said he wasn't going to put me on it said he was going to wait until july and test me again and if they are still low then he will think about putting me on it, so I told him I got off done 2 weeks ago so that in july if its low he will put me on it. i have an appointment with my mmt doc tomorrow so i am praying that he will put me on it.

The funny thing about yesterday at my doc office was is that a girl who was in her early 20s looked totally fine, came out with 2 30mg adderall a day, 2 30mg roxies, 2mg klonopins, 1mg xanax, and soma's. It was rediculous hearing her story everytime I am at that doctor it is the same exact same thing since the walls are thin I can hear the other patients talking to him and my doctor is a pushover especially with girls. Every time I see him someone else comes up with the same story.

It was her first appointment and she was telling him how she did yoga and 2 years back pulled a hammy and since then has been on 3 30mg roxys since then so he gave her 90 30's and told her if she can drop it down to only taking 2 a day. Then he said the same thing with the adderal and then just wrote her the klonopin, xanax, adderal, and somas.

I was like wtf, I know he gave me 20 mgs opana and 2mg xanax the first time I went in but the next appt he dropped it to 10 and then 5 mg oxys and dropped the amount each time and I was off everything within 4 months. And for my xanax he dropped it to .5 then .25 and now gives me 30 of those and 30 1 mg ativan instead. I knew i should of pushed him harder and made him keep me on all of it. I came in with the I wanted to lower my dose story so he didn't think I was a drug seeker.

 He didn't ask for med records and of course that girl didn't have any either. I swear every single appointment this guy just gives people whatever they want, the girl was saying she does yoga and running everyday and teaches a mountain climbing class and has never tried anything non-opiate or any kind of physical therapy and he still gave her everything and it pisses me off because I want my opanas .

I should of never played the I want to get better lie and just tried to get higher doses of everything. Even though I told him my history minus any addiction like I had to start with naproxen then flexeril and weekly shots in my neck, and PT and all of the other shit I had to do to get on opana and he kicked me off within 2 scripts. Every single time I go in there some person in the next room are all getting oxys, 2 mg xanax, and a bunch of other shit! its fucking bs that I tried to be honest and if i would of just forced it on him I would still be on all the good shit. F sexist docs
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on May 27, 2016, 08:56:56 AM
Here is my stupid ass incoherent rant that hasn't had the spelling or grammar checked. Its about stupid people and how it is okay for people to do whatever drugs they want as long as its written by a doctor and if you use the same drug off the street you an animal who deserves to die or be put in a cage. I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO STUPID. I have nothing but the upmost sympathy for CPP but I do not think that gives them a free pass to shit on junkies for taking the same meds that make us be able to live happily. obviously non on here as they conversate with us and know the struggle but i hate hearing day after day about how junkies are ruining it for all of us in dire need. its not us its the fucking government and why the fuck shouldn't we be able to take it at will especially if it makes the difference in us getting out of bed in the morning and blowing our brains through the curtains and ceiling... heres a stupid rant from my day at the doctors yesterday its probably illegible but i don;t care. FUCK PEOPLE RIGHT NOW I HATE LIFE sometimes. I didn't use any grammar or spellcheck so thats theres that.

 

I find out today if my MMT doc is goign to put me on it*fingers Crossed* what makes me pissed about all this is that my other doc who said no to putting me on T again yesterday is a glorified pill pusheer I swear! His walls are very thin and I can hear everything the other said and its rediculous. He is always giving all kinds of shit out to people who odn't need it and doesn't care but since I played the I want to get bettter card her fucked me.

Now i know why there is such a problem with drugs in this country, i think the opiate emidemic is all hogwash but the fact we have dumbed down our society, glorified "legal" drug use, and advertise it 24/7 it has led to a dumb pussy footed american population in my opinion. Every time I go in there someone else is in the room next to mine is pouring their heart out while I eavesdrop for fun.

Every single person goes in asking for all the fun pills( they should all be legal anyway) My poor doc is to caring to do his profession now and lets everyone have what they want because he believes them and lets them talk and tell him the problem instead of spouting meds and giving them to them. He listens to your problems, suggests stuff, but then all these people bully him until he writes what they want. The people the past 6 months have been almost identical in what they asked for. They were brand new patients with no paper work or prescription history.

The Lady yesterday is my age or younger super fit and healthy. Tells him how she teaches yoga classes 2x a day and 2 rock climbing classes on top of a bunch of other stuff and then she lists off her meds she gets and needs like she is some dying patient. I swear when he kicks her off to a new clinic for not coming off those meds she is going to find a new doctor and then 5 years down the line she is going to be an awful person who says that "its all her doctors fault cause he didn't tell her already addicted ass she would be come an addict" that's what she will say

Then she will go on ot "I blame the doctors I was fine before they pushed those drugs down my throat and now I am a real pain sufferer how dare you take my meds away i need them ALL and I can't function because he lowered the doses on everything he wrote f. Even though if she kills over its going to be the doctors fault not hers because.

The lady yesterday was still able to walk out with 2 mg klonopins, 1 mg xanax, 500mg soma's. 30 mg adderalls, 40 mgs oxycodone, 10 mg vicodin, wellbutrin, and was asking about getting fentanyl as well. To me there is no difference than doing meth and heroin except its illegal and if they took the drug trade out of it you'd see the 10s of millions of people who do it all day every day legally aren't robbing people they are just fine on drugs and most people don't know they are on drugs till their doctor gets arrested.

We are a generation with a pill for everything we need a pill to wake you up, one to keep you awake, one to help you fall asleep, one to help keep you asleep, one to keep you sane, one to make you angry, one to help you pee, one to help you poop, one to get rid of sneezing, one to get rid of coughing, and one to end all mankind. ITS RIDICULOUS just give all these druggies there drugs and call it what it is, instead of persecuting the poor people while they are letting the rich go for doing the exact same thing its disgusting.

 Nothing wrong would come from legalization except a few dumb ass people might have there feelings hurt cause nancy reagan said that it was gods message for us not to do drugs so they think that by doing drugs you are raping angels and killing babies. Drugs are made by god. so stop stigmatizing it and saying its only okay for the rich or for the people who have fake conditions just give it to whoever wants it and call it a damn day you fucking hypocrites!

I just want 10000 kilos of benzos and 10000 kilos of the best purest ecp and no financial worries and be left alone

Sorry there is my incohernet no grammartized or spellchecked rant
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on June 08, 2016, 11:23:08 AM
So i saw my doctor today and he got a letter from medicaid saying that they need more info to cover it for me, they need him to send in my blood tests results about my liver function. Does anyone know why they'd need this? Since it is good should they cover me or not? It is really disappointing cause my doctor is gone next week so i'll have to wait 2 more weeks to see what they say if they will cover it or not and I am miserable. Any idea of what the costs of it would be without insurance or where I could find that information?

He said he would more than likely give me a cream but I forgot what the name of it was, it's not androgel its a generic name of a medication but it wasn't testosterone, any ideas of what it could be so I can call some pharmacies to get prices? I will get to ask him thursday probably, if medicaid denies covering it, will that make my doctor not prescribe it or is it up to him? I think he would either way. I hate this though i am depressed because i have zero energy and motivation and its fucking up my life.

I havent done my community service yet because i cant get out of bed so I might goto jail, i am having to completely force myself to do anything, and its fucking up my school work, i have zero motivation and lay in bed 23 hours a day and cant get up the motivation to do anything ever. I hate it my depression is getting worse and worse which is just adding to this plus knowing i might goto jail and have to kick again is making me anxious and just feel like shit. This is seriously fucking up my life and I am  losing it.

I will have some extra cash in about 2-3 weeks so if i haven't gotten it by then i am going to just pay one of those places that "specializes" in it, who are cash only and don't take insurance and seem like they are pill mills for testosterone hopefully they will give it to me.

I just scheduled an appointment at this place because they are offering a free consultation and blood work, and are $250 a month so I am going to see if they will give it to me unless my doctor can get medicaid to cover it then I won't need to pay out of pocket for it, but at least I can probably start it sooner than later. I am praying that this helps with what i am dealing with because it's definitely messing up my life. Has anyone been to a place like this?
http://lowtmedicalclinic.com/

Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on June 17, 2016, 01:03:49 PM
Thanks for all the help everyone, so I decided to go to the place that doesn't take insurance it cost 299 for 10 weeks of injections. It's worth it I go in every 5-10 weeks for blood or lab work, and they give me 10 weeks of injections at a time so its not that bad. I find out next week if the cream will be covered by my insurance or not. My methadone doctor sent in all the paper work for it and if they will cover it he said he would give me a prescription for it with as many refills as he can, so if I can't afford the injections at any point I can just use the cream.

Unfortunately I have to go back tomorrow to get my shots because my card declined because I had to buy a $120 calculator for math yesterday and couldn't put in on my school bill cause it was $40 cheaper at walmart. So if anyone is curious I will let you know if it helps me at all and all that stuff, the doc said she wants to get my testosterone levels within 700-900 they are at 360 right now. I would be surprised if it doesn't help me I am praying that it helps me stop being fat and gives me back my energy/motivation/focus.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: DeadCat on June 17, 2016, 05:26:16 PM
Thanks for all the help everyone, so I decided to go to the place that doesn't take insurance it cost 299 for 10 weeks of injections. It's worth it I go in every 5-10 weeks for blood or lab work, and they give me 10 weeks of injections at a time so its not that bad. I find out next week if the cream will be covered by my insurance or not. My methadone doctor sent in all the paper work for it and if they will cover it he said he would give me a prescription for it with as many refills as he can, so if I can't afford the injections at any point I can just use the cream.

Unfortunately I have to go back tomorrow to get my shots because my card declined because I had to buy a $120 calculator for math yesterday and couldn't put in on my school bill cause it was $40 cheaper at walmart. So if anyone is curious I will let you know if it helps me at all and all that stuff, the doc said she wants to get my testosterone levels within 700-900 they are at 360 right now. I would be surprised if it doesn't help me I am praying that it helps me stop being fat and gives me back my energy/motivation/focus.

Interesting. What, exactly did they give you to inject? How many injections per week?

The buprenorphine screwed with my T levels and I put on weight, had no energy, no libido, etc. etc. Finally saw an endocrinologist who has me using Androgel approx 40.5 mg topically per day. It ain't cheap but my insurance covers it...but refuses to give me more than 30 days worth at a time, which means I will run out of it and most of my other various prescriptions (including buprenorphine) while I am here in Colombia. Fortunately, I can buy almost all of them OTC including shots of T. The bupe I always have enough squirreled away, otherwise, trips like this would be almost impossible.

My  doc Ok'ed me buying the injectable ampoules while here but only wanted me to take 100mg every 2 weeks. The pharmacists here don't have ampoules that small and said I should take 250mg about once a week anyway. I could have bought a large bottle and measured out 100mg per shot but, well, fuck it. I'll try that. The gel never felt adequate anyway and the absobtion is irregular.

FWIW it is about $6 for a pre-loaded factory sealed syringe.

Contact me by email if you want to talk specifics.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on June 17, 2016, 06:42:09 PM
It's one injection per week just a regular muscle injection so I'll probably inject them into one of my ass cheeks. I will know exactly how much and what tomorrow when I get them I think it is 250 mg/ml of either testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate and I am supposed to inject one ml each week. I could be wrong on the dose I will post when I get them tomorrow I can take a picture if you'd like its just little glass vials. How much do bodybuilders take?

Damn man $6 that is 1/5 of the price here, I am quite jealous! Keep the stories coming too man I couldn't imagine how awesome that is, I have never been a coke guy, done it probably 10x in my life, but I think that is because I have never had good stuff, every single time I get sick like I am allergic to a cut in it, it makes everywhere it touched itch like crazy for 3-4 days my inner ear and my throat and inside my nose it is horrible and I usually end up with cellulitis in my nose. I could see how I could take it to far if was good tho.

Is this what every body else gets take home injections? I much prefer this than having to drive there once a week since my car doesn't have ac. They don't prescribe the creams or gels anymore only do the shots and my doc is a midwife who does hormonal therapy and weightless part time, she seems really cool. She made it sound like I should feel much better than normal and have quite a pep in my step from the injections, which I thought was awesome.

My uncle switched to the injections because he said the cream didn't work at all, and he hated the smell and putting it on. My doc made it seem like I should have no problem losing the weight, gaining muscle, having more confidence, and having more energy and better concentration. I kind of thought she was selling it on me but I have heard from quite a few people that is what happens, that would be awesome!!

I am thinking about growing my hair out again... is 26 to old to have long hair? i haven't cut it in 9 months so it comes to my chin in the front and to my shoulders in the back, but i don't consider that long, it used to be past my sternum and I kind of miss the look and the chicks who dug it, plus it covers up my lazy eye more and distracts people from it a bit. nothing like giving everyone the ed sheeran stink eye 24/7.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Lolleedee on June 18, 2016, 01:30:57 AM
Hey, Griffin!  So glad to hear that you will finally be starting your testosterone treatment!  I would bet any amount that you will feel completely different in a few weeks!  Methadone does have a way of screwing with hormone levels, but if you can mitigate the side effects of MMT, it makes treatment (and life!) that much easier!

Now, for your question about long hair....I tend to prefer guys with short hair or shaved heads, but that is me.  Long hair can look good and you are young enough to pull it off.  I find that most men when they hit around thirty-five, if they are still sporting long hair, tend to look older..as if they are trying to look young, but don't!  There are always exceptions, tho!

Just something to think about..You said you like your hair long because it covers your lazy eye.  I find that, for the most part, when people try to disguise things, they are actually drawing more attention to it.  Like when people cake on make-up to cover a zit..then all you notice is the zit because the make-up makes it stand out more!  Don't worry about your eye!  yOU ARE AN AWESOME GUY! Don't worry about it!
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on June 18, 2016, 08:18:10 AM
Your so sweet lolleedee! Yeah I know what you mean, I think i am going to grow it until it becomes a hassle just to see if I like it. Hopefully if i start feeling better I am going to start working out too, I made my school schedule so that I have a 1.5 hrs between my classes so that I would use the gym there I just haven't had the energy or motivation to see it through.

Oh yeah I didn't tell the doc about the methadone usage when she asked about daily meds, should I? I hate that I feel I have to hide it but I am not about to educate another doc about it just to get told to get off of it and my t levels should be fine. I don't think she will drug test me or anything like that or that it will come up in a blood panel lab but just thought i'd ask the brain trust.

This doc seems really cool and nice, so i doubt she would care but you never know, and like I said before they seem like a for profit pill mill for testosterone. They don't take insurance, and they also do weight loss stuff and vitamin injections. She seemed like she was giving it to anyone who paid and that you should feel better than normal with a lot more energy and confidence etc but she could of just been trying to sell me. Either way I just don't want that to backfire on me.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on June 18, 2016, 04:01:29 PM
Deadcat they are 200 mg/ml and one ml shots. So i am dumb and have never done an IM shot before and they said the easiest and least painful is injecting in the ass, well i have no muscle on my ass, if anyone has seen that episode of king of the hill where he has to get ass pads that is me, i have a bit of fat covering up my tail bone but that is it.

Add that to having parkinsons like tremors, and no flexibility equals me missing the shot and having the $30 of testosterones come out of my ass cheek when I pulled the syringe out. It is an inch and half syringe so I thought I'd be good since I was all the way in but since I could barely reach it and my hands were shaking I probably pulled out of the muscle.

I didn't have any burning, warmth, or anything like that after so I assume i am fine when it comes to getting an abscess. Is there anything I need to look out for just to make sure I don't get one? I assume having an access on your ass would be the worst place possible for one. The placebo effect is helping me though :) I doubt I lost all of it but I probably lost at least half if not most of it.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: DeadCat on June 19, 2016, 12:20:00 AM
Deadcat they are 200 mg/ml and one ml shots. So i am dumb and have never done an IM shot before and they said the easiest and least painful is injecting in the ass, well i have no muscle on my ass, if anyone has seen that episode of king of the hill where he has to get ass pads that is me, i have a bit of fat covering up my tail bone but that is it.

Add that to having parkinsons like tremors, and no flexibility equals me missing the shot and having the $30 of testosterones come out of my ass cheek when I pulled the syringe out. It is an inch and half syringe so I thought I'd be good since I was all the way in but since I could barely reach it and my hands were shaking I probably pulled out of the muscle.

I didn't have any burning, warmth, or anything like that after so I assume i am fine when it comes to getting an abscess. Is there anything I need to look out for just to make sure I don't get one? I assume having an access on your ass would be the worst place possible for one. The placebo effect is helping me though :) I doubt I lost all of it but I probably lost at least half if not most of it.

Griffin, spend a few minutes on IM injection sites and safety. If you are getting pre-loaded sure-lock type syringe and needles they are sterile and as long as you do the alchohol swab at the injection site and get the needle all the way into muscle where there is good blood flow (but not a vein or artery) an abcess is very unlikely.

Don't expect immediate benefits. Add excercise even walking and your body, and outlook will improve more quickly.

As far as long hair goes, I prefer it on myself and I'm almost twice your age. The best thing to do is to at least once find an experienced stylist and ask him/her what length and cut best compliments your face. Don't go some "Super Cuts" rookie fresh from barber school kid. Once you know what works you can go in for trims for less money.

Yeah, it may sound a little girly for a man to do that but an objective opinion from a experienced professional who's been cutting hair since the 70's will help with self-esteem along with the T.  It isn't fair or right but people do make judgements about you based on your appearance.

Either way, it's hair. If you don't like it it'll grow more and you can try again. You have your whole life or until you lose it to deal wth it.

Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on June 19, 2016, 09:54:17 AM
Thanks dc I did and watched a few videos, I don't think it will be a problem when I do it in my thigh, but everyone says that hurts the most but I don't really care since it's the easiest. So my doctor doesn't take insurance but she told me that they will give me all the paper work I need if I want to claim it or try to get it covered. Anyone have experience with this? Do they sometimes only cover part of it, or all of it and how do they make the determination to cover it.

I assume that if they send my MMT doctor a letter saying they will cover the cream then they shouldn't have a problem covering the injections right? Any info on this would be helpful I have medicaid if that makes a difference. Has anyone else tried this? I assume she will just give me the bill or paperwork and I send it in and if they do cover it they will just reimburse me, or pay the doctor is that about right? Why wouldn't a doctor take insurance?
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on July 14, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
I have an appointment tomorrow with my testosterone doctor and they are doing blood work to see if my T levels rose. In my first appointment last month my doc asked if I took any meds or anything daily and I told her no because I didn't want to be judged or denied for being on MMT. Being on methadone is the reason my gp didn't prescribe testosterone for me. I want to tell my test doc because she seems cool and I hate that I have to lie about it but I fear that if I do she will kick me out because she's worried about giving me syringes or will treat me completely different.

Do you guys think that she will be able to see or look to see if I am on methadone from the blood work tomorrow? It'd suck for her to find out from that. Wouldn't she have to pay extra to test for that kind of stuff? I know they have to test for a ton of things like sugar levels, and how my kidney and liver are doing along with everything else. So should I tell her or keep it to myself and hope for the best, I hate lying about it but I don't want to be treated like shit for being on it either.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on July 20, 2016, 09:12:21 PM
Have you guys made a decision that you immediately regretted after but too late to change it? That was me today, when i told my doctor I was getting back on MMT. He told me I can now only have one of my benzo scripts since I'm on methadone again. Even though I was getting both benzo scripts for the past 3 years the whole time I have been on MMT.

This is the same doctor that wouldn't prescribe me testosterone unless I quit methadone. He said that after i have been off done for 3 months and if my test levels are still low that he would consider putting me on testosterone and medicaid would cover it, so it'd cost $1 per month instead of $160/month. So I told him I quit when he said that to see if he would put me on it after 3 months of low levels after I have been off methadone for 2 month. And that after 2-6 months of being completely off methadone and if my levels are low still at that point then he'd prescribe the testosterone for me.

So I lied and told that doctor I got off of methadone when he told me that he won't prescribe me testosterone until I had been 2-6 months off MMT with low levels then. Even though I hadn't actually quit.

Then of course since my counselor quit and my new counselor is the dickhead clinic coordinator who is huge prick, had to re-fax all my paper work telling him I was on it even though my last counselor already did that a few months ago but my new counselor couldn't find that paper work showing it'd already been done so he faxed the doc telling him I was on methadone today before my appointment. So I told him I got back on it, since he had got the fax telling him I was back on done.

So the benzo doctor said okay well I am taking one of your benzos scripts away since your back on methadone which one do you want 1mg ativan or 0.25mg xanax. Without thinking about it I choose xanax thinking it's a better rush not thinking that the ativan would of given me 4x as many doses than the xanax since they were scripts for 30. I chose getting .25 xanax over 1 mg ativan cause I figured I'd get a better high with the xanax.

After I decided and told him because it was an on the spot question that needed an immediate answer, I realized that I have been taking 5mgs of ativan for 4mgs of xanax, so instead of getting 30 1 mg of ativan I choose 30 0.25mg xanax, meaning I could of got 6 doses of the ativan instead i chose 2 doses of xanax,

Then after that the doc decided to change it to 60 instead of 30 so instead of getting 12 doses of ativan I got a bit less than 4 doses of xanax.... It was an on the spot question and my train of thought was I get a tiny rush with the xanax so thats why I said that and instantly regretted after saying that cause I could of gotten high 8 more times if I wasn't an idiot hopefully he lets me switch to ativan and keep getting 60 a month.

Hopefully he lets me keep 60 next month and that he lets me switch to ativan, anything else I should shoot for what would be the best bang for the bakc 60 mgs of ativan, 60 .25 xanax, or try for somthing else. I feel like I def should of picked xanax but would like some imput cause i feel like i just jipped myself out of 8.5 doses. which is kind of breaking my heart.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Catsfordrugs on July 20, 2016, 10:03:16 PM
@Griffin- in response to your question about which benzo to choose, I would have gone with the Ativan/lorazepam. I personally find the feeling of the two to be similar enough that the considerable amount more Ativan would have made that an easy choice. But that's just me. Personal preference comes into play. Some people notice a significant difference. I feel like they are both fairly quick acting benzos with a relatively short half life.

It's been a while since I've taken any of either, and my benzo conversion table is a little rusty. Iirc, they felt pretty equal, to me, mg for mg. Maybe the alpraz is a little stronger, but I think a full mg of Ativan would affect me more than a quarter mg of Xanax. If you need the silver lining, though, at least you have either and a doc writing for them, at that. Like I said, personal preference comes into play, but I would have gone with the Ativan. At least he didn't cut you off completely. Ironic, though, that he's the doc and didn't have any suggestions or recommendations on the matter. You'd think he would've had some input. Maybe he'll let you switch next time.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on July 20, 2016, 10:55:38 PM
@Griffin I would've taken the ativan for sure. That's what I'm prescribed 1mg a day. Imo, mg for mg xanax is definitely stronger but at 4x the dose the ativan would be way better. I used to take klonopin, but switched to the ativan years ago because the k-pins were too long acting. I actually prefer the shorter acting benzos.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on July 21, 2016, 04:44:45 PM
I just hpe he gives me the ativan next month. Anyone have any info on insulin. since i started testosterone 4 weeks ago my t levels have quadrupled and i gain 10 pounds in one week. Since starting the T I have had a HUGE appetite i am not a big meat eater probably 5-10 a year but since getting on it all i want is steak, cheeseburgers, sausage, bacon, turkey, all sandwiches on top of everything else i can pile in my mount i have cut down sweets a bit but i want to eat 24/7 never full always hungry and i have been eating like a madman since i started.

any help with that i was thinking about trying insulin and caffeine to help with the increased appetite but i want to try some supplements to stop the weight gain like anything that will make me not hungry ever. I HATE BEING FAT!!!! i am trying to work out more but its been a slow start, i need exercise and workout daily but cant i am still laying in bed


I got my testosterone blood tests back and when i started 4 weeks ago my levels were 350 for testosterone and 4.5 for free testosterone, well now my levels are 1260 for test and 36 for free testosterone. my doc said to cut my dose to 150mg injected  once a week so i am hopoing that helps is there any benefits to high levels of test like i have now, and what should they be. how can i stop this insane appetite for eating food 24/7 and wanting to eat meat and having the throughts of slaughtering a coW AND EATING IT RAW
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on July 21, 2016, 04:49:34 PM
I just hpe he gives me the ativan next month. Anyone have any info on insulin. since i started testosterone 4 weeks ago my t levels have quadrupled and i gain 10 pounds in one week. Since starting the T I have had a HUGE appetite i am not a big meat eater probably 5-10 a year but since getting on it all i want is steak, cheeseburgers, sausage, bacon, turkey, all sandwiches on top of everything else i can pile in my mount i have cut down sweets a bit but i want to eat 24/7 never full always hungry and i have been eating like a madman since i started.

any help with that i was thinking about trying insulin and caffeine to help with the increased appetite but i want to try some supplements to stop the weight gain like anything that will make me not hungry ever. I HATE BEING FAT!!!! i am trying to work out more but its been a slow start, i need exercise and workout daily but cant i am still laying in bed


I got my testosterone blood tests back and when i started 4 weeks ago my levels were 350 for testosterone and 4.5 for free testosterone, well now my levels are 1260 for test and 36 for free testosterone. my doc said to cut my dose to 150mg injected  once a week so i am hopoing that helps is there any benefits to high levels of test like i have now, and what should they be. how can i stop this insane appetite for eating food 24/7 and wanting to eat meat and having the throughts of slaughtering a coW AND EATING IT RAW alll i want is food.

I HAVE TOO LOSE WEIGHT 40 pounds i have to lose before i dont hate myself, and i just want to find something to give m eenergy and take away this raging appetite for all food. i have thought about using caffeine all day, and then maybe trying insulin. anyone have any tips on how to lose weight the wrong way? dieting isn't working cause i just end up eating 3x as much diet food then topping it up with a double bacon whopper and fries and ice cream, and rice krispies, my appetite is never filled i hate it, i wont to lose this but have no will power. I am going to start forcing myself but without benzos i am a pussy and have zero self esterrm and drive and hate myself and sleep 18 hours a day when i ahve my 2 days of benzos i get back to what i want and then ithey are gone and then i eat more to cover what i am issing from the benzos please help i ahte this and my life right now, is lipposuction an electable surgery cus i will do it if i can find a way to afford it.

any help PLEASE!
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: candy on July 22, 2016, 05:31:57 AM
@Griffin. I actually do know about insulin and it is not something you want to fool around with to lose weight.
In fact, unless you are a diabetic and being supervised and seen by a doctor, you shouldn't even consider insulin as a weight loss supplement.
It is not a drug you want to just use to lose weight. It can be dangerous and even fatal if not used correctly.

Are you just asking because you are worried about gaining weight or do you have diabetes?
Please don't even consider using insulin to lose weight, no matter what other advice you get. The only advice on insulin should be given to you by a physician/nurse.

There are other ways to lose weight and know that it is going to take some time for your body to get used to the change in testosterone levels.
My son is on testosterone and his appetite increased as well. I am now giving him the test. injection every 3 weeks and it has helped quite a bit in decreasing his appetite. Maybe something to discuss with your doctor. Is this your primary care doctor prescribing the testosterone? Just curious.
 Maybe we can discuss some healthier ways for you to lose weight if you would like, but get the whole idea of insulin out of your head.

Are you getting any exercise? Replacing healthier options when you feel the need to eat is an option. I know not the same, but it can help.
I had my son drinking water instead of eating when he felt hungry and this was even after a big meal. It seems to be working much better.
Having healthier snacks ready to go when the drive to eat hits you. Fruit, vegetables, hummus, pickles, nuts, lean deli meats.
Smoothies, replacing high calorie/high fat foods with lower calorie/low fat options is a good way to go as well.
Try to avoid eating late at night.
Soups are a great option too. Not heavy cream based soups, but something like chicken noodle, lentil, even split pea can be really filling and satisfying.
I make a black bean soup that is load with some vegetables and it is not very high in calories, full of flavor, and really filling. Just even a small bowl at night when hunger strikes can be really satisfying and it is great fiber too. I can give you the recipe if interested. Easy to make too.

I can't think of much more right now, but I would be happy to talk more about this with you. I know putting on weight can be hard and fucks with the self esteem. Just know that you can get it off with some work and just by changing some habits.

Just please promise me you will forget insulin as an option! 
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on July 22, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
Griffin, if you really wanna lose weight the easy way, go up on the testosterone. 600 mgs of testosterone a week is scientifically proven to make you gain more muscle sitting around doing nothing than someone working out in the gym with no testosterone boost. Make sure to get some aromatase inhibitors though!

Shooting testosterone enanthate or cypionate in 3 week, even 2 week intervals is going to cause lots of ups and downs. Probably even if you have that sustanon blend or whatever its called. You really should be injecting once a week and, for the best results, splitting up your dose to 2 injections a week.

And really dude, once you get your doseages worked out, you might as well buy it off the internet and quit fucking with those slimey doctors. A bottle of a testosterone blend thats 450 mg/ml is $75 for a 10 ml bottle. At your dose, that'll last you half a year.

Edit: you probably wont actually weigh less but youll be a lot more muscular... definitely won't look fat.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on July 24, 2016, 12:16:54 PM
I got my blood work results back and my t levels went up to 1250 and my free t went up to 39, so she is cutting me back to 150mg a week instead of 200, and i couldn't really see how much i got in my first shot yesterday and only ended up doing half of it so i had to do it again and even though i did it less than a cm away from the spot my doc injected me it bled like crazy for a shot,

i think i went through a little vein or something cause it hurt, going in, it hasn't hurt at all or been sore with any of my previous shots but when i put it in that last time it stung and right when i pulled it out blood was down to my knee by the time i reached for a napkin and put it on it. Plus I shot all of it so i will have to do a 100mg shot the last week instead of 150. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to put the extra .25ml for this shot in my next syringe and then put it back in the empty one to re use or go get a new one so that I am not trying to measure how much i am injecting while I am doing it lol, i am a space cadet sometimes.

Thanks candy, i'll put the thought out of my mind, i had never heard of it and then saw some body builder talking about it on youtube then read some article about how testosterone can cause some people to be fat, along with giving some people an increased appetite and that insulin helps lower the amount of chemical that makes you think your hungry and also makes it work right by telling your receptors to use it and not store as fat.

something to do with some chemical in your body that tells you when your hungry or full, that can also send the wrong message so your body makes you feel hungry more often and stores it as fat instead of trying to convert it to muscle or whatever because it thinks its in survival mode or some shit. I have been doing a lot more exvercising like a millionx moore than 3 months ago but I am a super addict with everything and my will power to not give into eating all the time is non-existent, so I have been eating all day long and eating shit food.

I usually eat meat once a month but have had more meat this month then probably the past 2-3 years combined, damn you bacon cheese whoppers, sausage biscuits, and chicken fried rice. If that shit was illegal I'd be doing way worse shit than I ever did for dope to get it for real! I just was praying that the depression was going to go away and it hasn't, i did read some where that it an take 6-8 weeks for those effects to kick in but a lot of people I knew said it was instant so thats been a little bit dissappointing.

I am getting better though because earlier this year I couldn't even force myself to do one pushup, or brush my teeth, or shower and I have showered and brushed my teeth more this month then the first 5 months of this year combined. I have worked out a few times which would of never happened before, so its coming along but its just like I am still struggling to get out of bed every day.

I was thinking that this could be due to my benzo use but I broke and did it again this month. I get a script of .25 xanax and 1mg ativan that lasts me 2 days, so I take them for 2 days and then dont take for 28 days and I have thought that maybe that is why I have been in the miserable cycle of depression, and I start getting better and then I can't get past the craving of wanting to get high so I call my doc and get my script every month, and then I take it for 2 days and the rest of teh week I have trouble sleeping and restart my depression loop from zero.

I got mine last week even though I have been telling myself I wasn't going to this whole month, and that the testosterone is going to help and that the benzos are the reason I am depressed but of course I broke come refill day and called and went in. I told him I decided to not get off methadone so he told me that he is taking one of the benzos away and asked which one I wanted the xanax or ativan and my dumbass took the xanax so instead of getting 5 doses of ativan i got 2 doses xanax.

The reason I told him that I was going to get off methadone in the first place is because he said he wouldn't prescribe me testosterone until I got off methadone for 2 months and if after that I still had low levels he would think about prescribing it to me. So I went to a doc who specializes in hormone replacement and she put me on it, and since my MMT counselor quit and the clinic director is my new counselor he thought that he needs to make sure that my doctor knows I am on methadone because he has no way of telling if the quarterly faxes they send him were getting to him so he was going to find out I wasn't getting off it for real anyway.

Do you guys think that the 2 days of benzos could be keeping me depressed? I just can't seem to say no to them I hate being on probation, it's sad that I want to become a junkie again so I can be skinny. I think that is another reason I can't say no is its the only thing I can do without going to jail. I can't drink can't smoke cant get off, I am praying i make it these 5.5 more months so I can get off paper and leave this state.


What do you guys think about using caffiene as an appetite suppressant and to help me get out of bed? Maybe if i am bugged out i wont be able to sleep 18 hours a day and lay in bed the other 6. Just take a pill every morning or something I still have a bunch of 200 mg pills I used to get through work when I quit drinking energy drinks. I know that diet and exercise is the only healthy way to do it but I don't have it in me I need a super pill that does everything, do those weight loss pills from gnc work what are in those ephedra?

I got some weight issues when I was in highschool I was basically anorexic, i'd put on a sweat suit, or plastic trash bag and about 5 pair of sweater shirts and 5 pair sweat pants and run 5 miles and bike 1 then go sit in a sauna with it all on for an hour or 2 every day only eating turkey. I had to do that for wrestling every now and then but I did it every day in the summer my freshmen year to get skinny. I wish I had that will power still I guess it got washed awaay with the pills.

 I also think I am physically dependent on benedryl does anyone have any experience with that? I take 150 mgs once a day and if I don't take it once a day I get a head ache, cant sleep, i get nauseous and my stomach hurts, its a weird withdrawal and it goes away about 2 hours after I take them. I have been taking them daily since I got out of jail last april so over a year.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on July 24, 2016, 01:41:34 PM
I've been reading your post for a little bit now man and I was really happy to hear you finally got on the stuff... I thought you would be feeling way better by now! When I first started, it was like a drug drug, I couldn't wait until my next shot. You levels are definitely good now... I'm not sure why you don't feel better yet.

Most doctors say it'll take a few weeks to feel better but I felt better right away.... my levels were in the 1400s one day after doing a 250 mg shot. Right now I take about 400 mgs a week. It's probably not great advice and definitely get something for the estrogen spike but taking more definitely works.

Personal question, have your balls shrunk yet? If not and you're not beating off/having sex way more than you used to, it's not working right.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Daughter of Dionysus on July 25, 2016, 06:40:51 PM
I had finally found
A good doc
That I really liked
He didn't give me any hassle
Over my Xanax
He went out of his way
To find a medication
That would work for a condition I have

But
Come August 31st
He's leaving
I'm totally bummed about it
It was so nice
To finally have
Such a good doc
After the fucking last bitch doc
I had
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on July 26, 2016, 01:33:12 AM
I actually love my doctor. Me & both of my kids have the same doc which makes it super easy b/c we can schedule appts back to back. She always listens which is really refreshing after having doctors in the past who just talked over me & treated me like an idiot.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on July 30, 2016, 08:50:26 AM
Glad to see your back guts! To answer your questions my sex drive is back in full force, I am starting to worry I have a porn addiction now lol it's like being 14. Also my balls have most def. shrunk I am unsure on if I should tell my doc or not, I don't want her to lower my dose as I could care less about it if the T is making me feel better. I decided to shoot less the week before my blood work to make sure my levels aren't too high so she doesn't reduce my dose, any thoughts on if that is a good or bad idea? I obviously don't want a bunch of negative side effects from too much but I need help losing weight.

If there is something that can be done about the shrinkage besides lowering my dose I'd be interested for sure. I have enough self consciousness about what I lack already don't need to make that any worse. It usually doesn't bother me unless I am having sex with someone new, which luckily for me I am fat and don't have to worry about, it's just irritating I suppose. I am glad that they do studies on that shit, cause growing up I thought I had been completely jipped by god or whoever because I had only seen dick in porn.

I still feel like i was kind of jipped because I really want to be a porn star, and my dreams are ruined unless some new average guy fetish comes in or I go get dick enhancement surgery hah. This should probably go into the guys forum but I don't think many guys check it, I also don't want to alienate any females who weren't able to fulfill their dream of becoming a porn star from being able to talk about it. I've been considering doing webcam stuff, I heard you can make decent money. If I got back to looking like myself again that'd be a sweet job, since I'm not stripper material.

Obviously it might be very hard to make money doing webcam stuff. I am sure it'd be easier and more profitable for women, but honestly it'd be awesome to get money for jerking off, working out or whatever on a webcam. Anyone tried it? I am probably fooling myself thinking people would pay to see something other than a horse cock on a roided out dude or a 15 year old philipino boy but a guy can dream right. Maybe with all the cgi and special effects in the movies these days my dreams of becoming a porn star aren't completely crushed.

My insane appetite lessened this week, I don't know if that is because I lost some of my dose last week because I was trying to shoot less of it, and nicked an vein on the way in. Hopefully the appetite stays away because I gained 10lbs in less than a month, and that was with exercising a million times more than I was before getting on it. It has definitely made me feel better and either way its better than without. I just hope it does everything I want it too, and I get my motivation and energy back, and lose weight so I can have my confidence back too.

I just did my shot and about 3 clear drops came out which kind of pissed me off, I hate losing any of it. I probably just injected to quickly and didn't give it enough time to come out all the way before pulling out the needle. I have a po meeting today so since I may goto jail I decided to just do the whole shot and do less the last week before my next blood test.

I am supposed to be doing 150 mgs weekly and the syringes are 200 mgs preloaded. She wanted me to do 150mg for the 3 syringes I had left and use the 150 mg that is left over for the 4th week. Now I will be doing 100mg the next 2 weeks since I messed up the first time and if I am going to jail I want as much as I can to last as long as possible.

I am considering bringing my doses with me to my po appt and taking an extra dose if she has me arrested, and pray they take me to Denver even though her office is 3 blocks away from the other counties jail where i'd get no done :(. 5 more months of probation I can't freaking wait to be off this shit, it is killing me slowly I guarantee the stress from all this has taken years off my life.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on August 02, 2016, 05:34:08 PM
Thanks Griffin!

Well man, it sounds like the stuff is working as it should... the rest is up to you. Nut shrinkage is unavoidable... it does make your peen look bigger though!

As far as porn, you'd probably have an easier time getting into gay porn... as a bottom... I heard that somewhere. Besides, in straight porno, I'm pretty sure the girls make all the money.
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on August 02, 2016, 09:25:25 PM
I got my testosterone blood tests back and when i started 4 weeks ago my levels were 350 for testosterone and 4.5 for free testosterone, well now my levels are 1260 for test and 36 for free testosterone. my doc said to cut my dose to 150mg injected  once a week so i am hopoing that helps is there any benefits to high levels of test like i have now, and what should they be. how can i stop this insane appetite for eating food 24/7 and wanting to eat meat and having the throughts of slaughtering a coW AND EATING IT RAW

Damned impressive jump Griffin. Which ester are you using (enan, cyp, phenylpropionate, etc.)? I just got two bottles of Sustanon 300, which is a four-ester blend (from super fast acting to super slow). Last checked my levels were under 300, but two days after my first pin of maybe 250mg I got wood in the mornings again, my appetite is definitely up and I felt really good today with some good sleep last night, so hopefully this will continue. I've been down a long time thanks to MMT (which I'm about to walk off after 3yrs), I look forward to normalcy again. After dropping from 110mg MD to 50, a lot of my symptoms went away for awhile, I had gyne in my nipples and that went away (ouch!), sweats went away; but after stabilizing all that shit is coming back: even the gyne I think, so fuck it, I'll be back on subs in a couple weeks.. Hell Ya! I really look fwd to being out from under the weight of MMT, it's been well long enough..
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on August 03, 2016, 12:31:27 PM
It's either cypionate or ethanate, I am not sure it doesn't say on my prescription its just says testosterone 200mg/ml. I think its' cypionate but could be wrong I will ask when I go back in 2 weeks. It's probably whichever one is more common in the us, i do one injection a week, its clear with a hint of yellow and oily, I will let you know when I find out i meant to ask last month. What are the main differences you have felt from the sustanon 300 that was the one I was looking at if I couldnt' get it through a doctor. When did you start taking it?
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Lilswede on August 07, 2016, 11:10:25 AM
Hi I'm 30 years old on my for 3/4 years and get 6 months worth of refills for test dr. Has me on 200mg a week of injectable test cypionate p week helps.with energy test is what makes a man a man so having low levels will throw you off
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Lilswede on August 07, 2016, 01:11:12 PM
I see that you are 26 you might ask your dr. About hcg while on test when receiving exogenous test it shuts down your bodies own production if test and stops your bodies production of Luetinizing(sp.)  and fOllicle stimulateING Hormone which is why your nuts shrink and you don't release as strong of swimmers. buy using hcg you keep the whole feed back loop going and it will make it easier to have kids if you reckon you want to in the future. It can raise estrogen and if you are over 15% 20% body fat your estrogen may become elevated so get that checked and you would get either adex (anastrozole) or exemestane
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Anti-hero on August 07, 2016, 01:28:56 PM
I know you guys have gotten
Your T levels straight
But to me testastrone
Is like posin
I'm enough of a aggressive sex addicted
Asshole
To worry about it
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Guts on August 07, 2016, 01:44:31 PM
Have you ever been on methadone though? I'm sure most men doing bunches of H for a long time technically have low T but, at least for me, the symptoms were way worse on methadone. I think it's partly because H actually gets you high so it's easier to deal with but also because there are peaks and valleys and your bloodstream isn't saturated with the shit like it is with methadone. I do think I get angry/frustrated more easily now that I'm on the T and even my underwear is liable to give me a boner but, for me, the depression was the worst part about low T and the main motivator to get on replacement therapy... the boners and muscle tone isn't a bad extra though :)
Title: Re: Is your doctor a moron?
Post by: Griffin on August 25, 2016, 04:26:30 PM
Hey for all you fellas on test and MMT, have you guys had any trouble with your dose not lasting as long, or needing to up your dose? It feels like now my dose isn't holding me, by 6pm my eyes start to water really bad and I will start yawning, and feel a bit restless. It has just seemed to be a bit worse over the past month or 2. Before I got arrested last March I was on 280mg and now I am on 90 so I am kind of wondering if my tolerance is slowly creeping back.

I was off everything for 4 months after getting arrested, and when I got back on I got a tiny glow the first 2-3 weeks, I think most people do. It just seems that I have been trying to deal with depression symptoms for the past year, and the Test has made it better, I feel a bit better, but I still have very little motivation and don't get out of bed very often. I work out a bit everyday and have been able to stick with my diet and a lot of other things have gotten better but it still seems like I am fighting myself to do everything, and feel like I am depressed, and have been trying to figure out what the deal is.

The rest of this post is just me venting about being depressed and doesn't have any questions and is completely irrelevant to what we have been talking about, just fyi.

I have been taking 100-150mgs of benedryl every day for the past year and stopped taking it last week, and there has been a definite improvement on energy and not wanting to sleep all day, but now I can't really sleep at all. I have been trying to figure out what is going on which is why I got on test, and I was hoping it would be an instant fix but it only helped a bit, it seemed to take care of the symptoms that the low t were causing but I can't shake being depressed, and I really don't want to take anti-depressants.

Maybe I will get off probation next month, and not worrying about going to jail all the time will be the lift I needed and I will start feeling normal. Plus going on a month or 2 binge to get skinny will most definitely help my confidence, I fucking hate being fat, I finally have some muscle tone and have lost the weight I gained from my first month on test, I just can't seem to lose anymore because I haven't been doing cardio like i need to just lifting.  I am thinking about moving out of CO which is good and shitty at the same time so maybe change will help as well.

My best friends are in Okla where I am planning on moving to so I will have people to hang out with that are like brothers to me so I will have more to do, but at the same time oklahoma fucking sucks there isn't shit to do, no mountains, only sports team is the thunder, the weather sucks ass, the laws are bullshit(even though i didn't get arrested there when I was committing multiple felonies a day) weed is illegal even though I haven't smoked since on probation. So idk if moving is the best idea, but if I move I can keep all my stuff with my family and leave the country which is what I really want to do.
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