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Core Topics => Drugs => Nootropics => Topic started by: sk8phaze on December 24, 2015, 09:44:48 PM
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Phenibut (or, alternatively, fenibut, phenybut) (brand name Noofen, Citrocard), contracted from β-phenyl-γ-aminobutyric acid (β-phenyl-GABA), is a central depressant and derivative of the naturally occurring inhibitory neurotransmitter γ-aminobutyric acid (GABA). The addition of a phenyl ring allows phenibut to cross the blood–brain barrier.[1] Phenibut was developed in the Soviet Union in the 1960s, and has since been used there as a pharmaceutical drug to treat a wide range of ailments, including posttraumatic stress disorder, anxiety, depression, asthenia, insomnia, alcoholism, stuttering, and vestibular disorders, among other conditions.[4][5][1] In the rest of the world, phenibut is not approved for clinical use, and is instead sold as a nutritional supplement.[6] It has been reported by some researchers to possess nootropic actions for its ability to improve neurological functions,[4][medical citation needed] but others have not observed these effects.[7] It is generally accepted that phenibut has anxiolytic effects in both animal models and in humans.[1]
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If you don't mind me asking, what's your usage history like with this stuff? I know I'm going to have to taper really well, but how fucked is someone who's been using this stuff daily for several months?
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Well I started in September and quickly jumped to 3.5g daily for about 2 months, then I abruptly jumped down to 1.5g without and problems (j had a few twiches) but i was feeling good. Ive been using for about 4 months now.
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Well I started in September and quickly jumped to 3.5g daily for about 2 months, then I abruptly jumped down to 1.5g without and problems (j had a few twiches) but i was feeling good. Ive been using for about 4 months now.
Thanks for explaining. One thing I noticed when I was tapering was that I could drop down to a lower dose rather quickly, usually about a week. The only thing I noticed then were cravings, which caused some slip ups a few times.
I've been doing this stuff since mid-March. From then until the start of May I'd do it for three days then take a day or two off, rinse and repeat. Starting at the beginning of May though I've been using it daily. So eight months now.
For the longest time my daily dose was 3g BID (am / pm). Sometimes I'd up it when I wanted to sleep standing up because your tolerance to this stuff increases fast. But I'd only do that for 2-3 days then go back down to 3g BID.
The last few months I've been getting larger containers and have been doing more than I should. The most I've ever taken has been 12g at once. Right now I'm using 4.5g once, sometimes twice, per day. So yeah I'm worried how hard it's gonna be when I finally do quit.
I don't know if you can get this, but Lamictal / lamotrigine helps a lot with the shakes. It's not scheduled and is fairly easy to get. It's an anti epileptic drug used off label for anxiety, among other things. It lowers glutamate thereby allowing your GABA to work better.
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One time on last halloween i was used to 3.5g daily, I doubled it, took about 7.5g and like 8 (300mg) Gabapentin, I slept for 24 hours, woke up, took a piss, then layed down and in the blink of an eye another 9 hours passed. I felt horrible. Never overdo it.
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I agree. The times I took high doses like that is when I worked my way up to it. So like 6g, then 8g, then 10g, etc. on subsequent nights. Definitely didn't go from 3g or 4.5g to 12g. The only thing that high doses like that does for me is to make me fall down. Which oddly enough I kinda like. I've had four bad bruises now. Luckily they're covered by clothes. And as embarrassing as it is, I got a small gash from falling down in May.
The drawback of doing high doses like that (IMO) is that it makes me feel extremely tired for the next 2-3 days afterwards. But the interesting thing is that it doesn't help me sleep that much. Normally I'd sleep a good ten hours a night prior to my phenibut use. Now though I'm lucky if I get a solid 4-5 hours. And 90% of the time it's cumulative from broken up 45-60 minute naps throughout the day.
Thanks for your help and information. Good addition to the drug categories.
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Yeah, me too. It works great by but I sleep only a few hours
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I just found sum baclofen and took 10mg & mixed it with 1.2g of Phenibut, Gabapentin, suboxone, weed, & booze. I was stumbling
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That's interesting you mentioned Baclofen. Everything I've read says phenibut and Baclofen are extremely similar. It's just that Baclofen is much more potent.
I've found some case studies where people who were using phenibut had to quit suddenly and they were tapered off using Baclofen. In one of the case reports they equated 1g phenibut to 10mg Baclofen.
The thing with that is Baclofen has a half life of 4-6 hours I think, whereas phenibut is much longer acting. I mean I can still feel my dose from last night. I'm sure that will have an additive effect to the dose I just took tonight. So in that sense I'm assuming 1g phenibut is equal to 10mg Baclofen taken every 4-6 hours. Something like that at least.
Whatever the case, I really wish I had known about this stuff when I was still going through opiate withdrawal. It would have been a life saver for the RLS and anxiety. Those were always two of my three biggest complaints, the third being insomnia. Might have helped with that too, at least right at the first.
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That's interesting you mentioned Baclofen. Everything I've read says phenibut and Baclofen are extremely similar. It's just that Baclofen is much more potent. <snip.
i mentioned before that i was prescribed Baclofen for a few days in a hospital.
.. long story ... i mentioned that i needed muscle relaxants to stop nerve spasms -- big pain, like 9/10 bad !
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I know the last time I had phenibut i used it to get "fucked up" like 2-3g doses but this time around its a blessing.(never got w/d)
Now I take 3-4 scoops of the same brand you posted every morning, only in the morning. You know those little white scoopers they give you? so about 500+mg(I REALLY go big on what one scoop is)
I don't really feel it ever, but I have noticed my social anxiety has been shot down. I also combine it with tianpetine. but only in the morning.
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Baclofen isn't more potent than phenibut, not IME anyway. Baclofen is one of those drugs that you can kinda tell it's there, and that it helps especially if you're used to other GABA related drugs, but you won't get loaded on the stuff, at least I don't. I like it though, especially the first couple days it's around.
Phenibut is different. Take enough of that shit and it *WILL* knock you on your ass. I've had some weird experiences on that shit, like some wickedly vivid and confusing dream-like states, not scary just really confusing. I would take upwards of 8-10grams of the shit, and one day I started having petit-mal seizures. I quit fucking with that shit after it all kinda pinnacled with those experiences. That shit is no joke, it's extremely slow to come on and and also long lasting. Be careful with high doses of that stuff, I could easily see someone getting into trouble with that shit. It makes baclofen seem like aspirin above about 5G..
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By more potent I just meant on a mg to mg basis. So 10 mg Baclofen is more potent than 1g phenibut. Perhaps I worded it wrong.
Thanks for the warning. I've been worried about this for a while now. When you were taking high doses, what type of taper schedule did you do? Did you have significant withdrawal when you finally quit? The way I read the petit-mal seizures is that they occurred when you were on the phenibut, or did you mean after you quit taking it? Anything GABA related makes me worry about seizures.
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By more potent I just meant on a mg to mg basis. So 10 mg Baclofen is more potent than 1g phenibut. Perhaps I worded it wrong.
Thanks for the warning. I've been worried about this for a while now. When you were taking high doses, what type of taper schedule did you do? Did you have significant withdrawal when you finally quit? The way I read the petit-mal seizures is that they occurred when you were on the phenibut, or did you mean after you quit taking it? Anything GABA related makes me worry about seizures.
I don't recall exactly what I was taking at that point -- my posts from back then would probably give a lot more insight into what I was doing than I could here. The PM seizures weren't caused from a taper tho, it was weird because it happened when I was on a really high dose of the shit. I posted about it at the time, unfortunately it's not so easy to just search my old posts anymore :(
Tapering is the same story with most other things, use something long-acting and go as slow as possible, and I think it's really key to get down really low for awhile before you jump.
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I don't recall exactly what I was taking at that point -- my posts from back then would probably give a lot more insight into what I was doing than I could here. The PM seizures weren't caused from a taper tho, it was weird because it happened when I was on a really high dose of the shit. I posted about it at the time, unfortunately it's not so easy to just search my old posts anymore :(
Tapering is the same story with most other things, use something long-acting and go as slow as possible, and I think it's really key to get down really low for awhile before you jump.
Thanks for answering, Chops. I really do appreciate it. I'll make sure to go slow and low with the taper.
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I don't recall exactly what I was taking at that point -- my posts from back then would probably give a lot more insight into what I was doing than I could here. The PM seizures weren't caused from a taper tho, it was weird because it happened when I was on a really high dose of the shit. I posted about it at the time, unfortunately it's not so easy to just search my old posts anymore :(
Tapering is the same story with most other things, use something long-acting and go as slow as possible, and I think it's really key to get down really low for awhile before you jump.
Right. i heard of this on opioophile. i seem to think i remember it being somthing that can happen on really high doses in general. chops/chopstix made some comments on it, i believe also if my memory recalls.
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***FOR ME*** 3.5g would just chill me out and not effect me, BUT...
7+g KNOCKED ME ON ME ASS. I don't know if I overdosed, was with drawling, or Bill Cosby stopped by. But i was groggy for a day n a half.
I like being on 1g a day. Its comfy, and i can take a baclofen if needed or a valium. Plus it doesn't get in the way with my drinking. But I feel great when i wake up. Where you just lay in bed and relax for 3 hours before getting up.
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Speaking of baclofen, I posted a Radiolab episode in the Related Media subforum that talks about using baclofen to treat addiction, if anyone wants to listen to it.
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Speaking of baclofen, I posted a Radiolab episode in the Related Media subforum that talks about using baclofen to treat addiction, if anyone wants to listen to it.
I'm interested where is the radio lab sections ?
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7+g KNOCKED ME ON ME ASS. I don't know if I overdosed, was with drawling, or Bill Cosby stopped by.
That's entirely possible. One "overdose" I had on that shit I was pretty sure I'd been hanging out with Keanu Reeves near the surf on a beach in LA, it was crazy surreal and just utterly random and bizzare; like some hyper vivid dream that really fucks with your head. I don't even really like LA!
Scared the shit out of my GF. She had no idea wtf was wrong with me.. Very strange experience from my perspective..
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I'm interested where is the radio lab sections ?
It's here: http://forum.drugs-and-users.org/index.php/topic,1980.0.html
The most recent post in the Related Media section
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I did phenibut for some time. for me it's like a benzo light.
the storys i did read about people getting physicly dependent made me move to normal benzos again. same risk there
but i wouldn't underestimate phenibut, also only because it is seen as a nootropic makes it not safe imho
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I did phenibut for some time. for me it's like a benzo light.
the storys i did read about people getting physicly dependent made me move to normal benzos again. same risk there
but i wouldn't underestimate phenibut, also only because it is seen as a nootropic makes it not safe imho
Yeah since phenibut is a GABA-B agonist it has the same same risk of dependence as benzos. The manufacturers suggest 4 days on and a week of to avoid it. Everything in moderation. At least i tell myself that. Lol.
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I'm completely fucked too then.
I think these manufacturers have different warnings. PrimaForce said to take it for 2-3 days on with a 3 day "washout" / break in between.
Liftmode says never do it back to back, and to never take more than 4g per week.
I think these warnings are to help people not get dependent, but also to remove liability if the person goes against their warnings and takes too much. Take too much, for too long? Don't sue us because we warned you.
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I'm completely fucked too then.
I think these manufacturers have different warnings. PrimaForce said to take it for 2-3 days on with a 3 day "washout" / break in between.
Liftmode says never do it back to back, and to never take more than 4g per week.
I think these warnings are to help people not get dependent, but also to remove liability if the person goes against their warnings and takes too much. Take too much, for too long? Don't sue us because we warned you.
I'm surprised it hasn't been looked into for making it a DEA ClV or something of that nature. Until some high school punk takes to much and mixes it with some other drug and puts it on the hot seat for emergency scheduling, or big pharma gets an interest in profiting from it thru Rx only we're in the clear...for now. I'd be royally fucked if it was outlawed tomorrow.
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You and I both would be fucked if it was outlawed tomorrow.
I just opened a 500g container last Saturday. The one before that lasted 43 days. So I should be good with this one until late in February. Of course that's assuming I take it the same way.
Most days / night I'm just using to maintain. About every ten days or so I'll take more for a few days to get high, as much as you can call this a high.
I really, really need to start tapering. Had I known I'd be on this shit for almost a year, I never would have bought / tried it. Foolish me thought I could just take it or leave it. Can't imagine why that didn't work out. Sarcasm. Eye roll.
I've also got a bottle of 90 250mg capsules that I bought back in October. That'd work for a few days in an emergency.
Otherwise I try to have another 500g container as a backup when I begin to use the current one. At least that way I'd have enough to taper with in case something did happen.
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Damm. 500 grams. I buy 125 grams @ a time and. Take between .5-1.0g daily. I'm down to about 40 grams left so im gonna order more, just in case 😉
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** UPDATE **
This is MY experience with Phenibut over a six month period.
I started at 1 gram a day.
Worked up to 3.5 grams daily
After 2-3 months of daily usage
Opioids legs got cut bad. Very bad
Herion lasting 1 hour at most
Suboxone lasting only 8-12 hours
GABA-B agonists control reward and pleasure
I posted an article on here of how
Phenibut mildly antagonizes' Opiod receptors
I was in a constant state of withdrawal
I weened down to 50 mg 2x a day of phenibut
I went to doctor on Friday and got valium
And gabapentin. Since then
I haven't had amy problems.
My anecdotal message is those that
Take phenibut, become chemically hooked
And take opiates daily. This will cause
The half life of opioid to reduce quickly.
It's good for certain occasions but please do not make this a daily or weekly habit.
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It's good for certain occasions but please do not make this a daily or weekly habit.
Had to learn it the hard way hua? Then again most good things are like that.
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Had to learn it the hard way hua? Then again most good things are like that.
For real! Ive always heard people talking about GABA addiction. It's really weird and i hated having to re-dose. I read a story on Reddit
about a guy who was doing 20 GRAMS A DAY.
He went into inpatient rehab and had
terrible withdrawal for a few days
The they gave him diazepam and some other benzo
It kept him steady
So i went and got #45(10mg) valium
Gabapentin #120(300mg)
Diphenhydramine #120 (25mg)
LOTS of pure honey oil THC vape pen😁😀
I walk 4 miles every night to.
I've lost weight and i feel great.
Hope all is well @Jega !
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That's entirely possible. One "overdose" I had on that shit I was pretty sure I'd been hanging out with Keanu Reeves near the surf on a beach in LA, it was crazy surreal and just utterly random and bizzare; like some hyper vivid dream that really fucks with your head. I don't even really like LA!
Scared the shit out of my GF. She had no idea wtf was wrong with me.. Very strange experience from my perspective..
That is really, really interesting that your experience was like that. That sounds exactly like what I experienced on a stupid-high dose of zolpidem.
I had bought 20 or so 10mg Ambien, and I had only ever tried it once before, when I took 20mg orally and thought it was pretty nice. This time, though, I was going to IV it. And IV it I did. And again. And again. And again. I fucking LOVED that Ambien rush. I just kept banging them, over and over, and over, just one right after another. At some point a couple of friends came over to my place, and my girlfriend and I went down into our basement to smoke cigs and hang out with them. Apparently, I had taken all my works and the Ambien downstairs with me, because one of my friends later told me that they were really startled when I just busted out my spoon and rig and prepped and banged three separate shots right there in front of them. All told, I had IV'ed 120mg over the course of less than an hour with zero tolerance.
From what I remember, from what I was told, and from the video that my friend took on her cell phone, I was gone. Like, more gone than I've ever been in my life. In between nodding off, every time I woke up I was hallucinating that all of us were in completely different places and at some points I was talking to people who weren't even there. At one point, I was hallucinating that we were all on an airplane and my friends were dressed up like flight attendants. Another time I was hallucinating that we were all in another friend's truck, and another time we were all hanging out in the local K-Mart.
My friends weren't necessarily scared though, they thought that shit was goddamn hilarious, because I was saying some pretty ridiculous shit. At one point, one of them (who I'll call Hayley) had her elbow up in the air, and her hand behind her neck - kinda like she was trying to scratch her back, but she was just resting like that. For some reason this freaked me the fuck out so I said "Hayley, for my safety and yours, please stop doing that with your arm." At another point, I said to the other girl (who was 20 years old at the time and had long, long brown hair) "Has anyone ever told you that you look just like Bruce Willis?"
Sorry for getting off topic a tad but that's just exactly what your experience reminded me of. I had looked into buying Phenibut in the past, as I enjoy GABA drugs like benzos and Ambien, but they're so hard for me to find. For some reason I never pulled the trigger on ordering any though. I think either because I was unsure on the legitimacy of the vendors I had found, or because I just didn't think it would really have any kind of desirable effect. But now that I'm reading this thread I'm starting to reconsider that thought.
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Thanks for posting that, @sk8phaze.
It's an interesting concept. I'm definitely going to look at the article you posted in another thread.
I've been taking a lot more phenibut than you were, and for a longer period of time. I also take 8mg Suboxone sub-l every night. I believe what you're saying, but I've not noticed the same thing in me.
Last week I actually fell asleep, woke up too late, and decided to forgo taking my Sub that night. I still felt fine. Maybe it's because I take more Suboxone than you? Also, I've been taking Subs for almost four years straight as of this May.
Maybe since I've been taking subs for so long the phenibut isn't affecting me like you? I've also not had a full agonist opiate since 2013 (seed tea). The last time I took a benzo was in December 2013.
Ever since then it's been Subs and of course the phenibut. As of this month, I'll have been taking phenibut for a year. Granted, that's way longer than I had imagined I'd be taking it. I stupidly thought I'd be able to get on and off it relatively quickly.
I do concede that I really need to start tapering. Go low and slow. The high from this stuff isn't all that great anyway. Just enough for me to like it and keep taking it though. LOL Seriously though, I need to quit.
Was it difficult to get the Valium and Gabapentin from the doctor?
Did you tell the doctor what you had been taking?
How long did you taper?
Did you still have some phenibut withdrawal when you quit taking the meds?
Why didn't you simply use the phenibut itself to taper?
Out of curiosity, how much Sub were you taking every day?
I realize those are a lot of questions, but I'd really appreciate it if you'd answer them, since I'm in the same boat as you were.
I'm glad you tapered off. Good job, and good luck on managing your tiny use of it going forward. :)
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Was it difficult to get the Valium and Gabapentin from the doctor?
Did you tell the doctor what you had been taking?
How long did you taper?
Did you still have some phenibut withdrawal when you quit taking the meds?
Why didn't you simply use the phenibut itself to taper?
Out of curiosity, how much Sub were you taking every day?
Was it difficult to get the Valium and Gabapentin from the doctor?
Did you tell the doctor what you had been taking?
I went to my doctor to get suboxone to get off herion, i also drink alot and i had drank a beer(or two😁) before i went so at the meeting i told im tring to quit herion and alcohol. He wrote me #60(8mg) subs, #30 (10mg) valium and #90(300mg) gabapentin. My doctor doesn't make appointments or drug tests. Its $140 for the subs and if you want their anxiety program its $99 extra so $239 for the whole visit.
How long did you taper?
Within the first month of taking phenibut i worked my self up to 3.5 grams a day. I accidentally overdosed last Halloween and I woke up withdrawaling from dope and hungover from phenibut. It took the dope man 4 hours to get here and im like dying from w/d. I get a 40 smoke half and shoot half and it kept me well for like 2 hours when normally a 40 will last me all day. And it was good dope.
Did you still have some phenibut withdrawal when you quit taking the meds?
Since i weened down from 3.5g's-1.5g's-to-1g-.750-.5-2.5-.125-.60
over a months period of time give or take. Staying at each level for 3 days then lowering
Again. Once i was taking 50mg 2x a day, i went to my doctor, went straight to CVS.
Im only taking ONE 10mh diazepam a day and today is day 5 and
Not a SINGLE w/d symptom from phenibut and now i dont
Wake up withdrawaling cause my suboxone has its normal long
Ass half life. Which is good for people trying to stay good.
But i still have dope dreams 😓
Why didn't you simply use the phenibut itself to taper?
I did use the phenibut to taper. NEVER jump off of that stuff
When your taking more than 500mg(the suggested dose)
Out of curiosity, how much Sub were you taking every day?
Everyday i take 2mg sublingually in the AM and 2mg in thr PM
before bedtime. The past 5 days have been the most wonderful
Sleep ive had in a long long time.
***Ive been going to this doctor for two years now,
They upped my Valium to #45(10's) and 120(300mg) gabapentin
And still the #60 subs. I have like 3 unopened boxes of subs.
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@sk8phaze:
Thanks a ton for answering those questions.
I was confused when you were talking about the phenibut taper in your original post. I thought you meant you got the Valium and Gabapentin to taper off the phenibut without taking the phenibut at all.
As in, you stopped taking the phenibut without tapering it, and instead tapered using Valium and Gabapentin. Now I understand what you did.
You tapered the phenibut over the course of a month, then you started taking the Valium and Gabapentin. That makes sense. I'm sure that provided a soft landing. LOL
I'm wondering if the reason my sub is still holding me is because I'm taking twice as much as you once per day. Whereas you were taking 2mg BID.
Maybe you just didn't have enough in your system to hold you. Or maybe my metabolism is much slower than yours (I actually can guarantee my metabolism is slower than yours. I'm extremely sedentary.).
Or maybe I'm just different from you in terms of biochemistry. That's probably true too, actually.
In any case, I do believe you when you say the phenibut was making your opiates wear off sooner. I just find it interesting why it's not doing the same to me. I'm sure I'm taking more phenibut daily than you were (not that that's a good thing.).
Right now, this evening, I took 15 of those little scoops. That's a point of contention with me, the size of the scoops. My original vendor said each level scoop was 300mg. My current vendor says the same level scoop is 500mg.
I don't have or use a scale, so when I give gram amounts, I'm going by what mg the scoops are listing. Hell, I'm probably taking way more of this stuff than I say I am.
I mean, if you take the scoop to be 500mg, then 15 scoops is 7.5g. And what's worse is that I took the same 15 scoops early Friday morning at around 5am, so less than 24 hours ago.
I did it that way because I had an appointment today, and I had to be more alert. Normally I take anywhere from 15-20 scoops once per evening to maintain.
If I want to use phenibut to get "high" (i.e., fall down), I'll take as much as 35 scoops, depending on what I took the night before. So if I took 25 scoops on one night, I'd increase it to 30 scoops the next night.
Shit I'm seriously fucked. I've got to taper. Right now I've got about 2/3 of a 500g container that I opened on the 1st. I also ordered my monthly shipment this afternoon. Another 500g container.
The thing that worries me is that normally when I order in the early afternoon, it will be shipped out the same day. And most times, I'll receive the package the very next day, less than 24 hours later.
The order went through and everything, but it still says its processing. Normally by now I'd have a confirmation email with a tracking number. That hasn't come yet. Just says processing.
I hope to god nothing's happened to that company. They've been absolutely excellent since I started using them. I'm hoping they're just busy, or that they're going to ship it tomorrow.
If I still don't have a tracking number tomorrow, I'm going to send them an email to ask what the problem is. I'm not going to be rude or anything, but I desperately need that package.
I'm not going into severe withdrawal or anything. As I said, I still have 2/3 of a 500g container left. I just know that I'm not going to be comfortable until I get my new order.
Phenibut is powerful and scary. I wish I'd never tried it. I need to taper slowly and finally stop. I must.
Thanks again for answering those questions. I appreciate it a lot.
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Well, I just got my own order phenibut, but it's in the form of 250mg Russkie tablets, so I can't get into too much trouble I think.
(https://forum.drugs-and-users.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedicinesdelivery.com%2Fimage%2Fcache%2Fdata%2Fproducts%2Fphenibut20tabs250-500x500.jpg&hash=c6fab9e9e274a03dfc1439e2aa05e08e17b69c23)
This isn't my first time with phenibut, but I always had benzos and alcohol around if I wanted to get "loaded" in that way, so it was never an issue. I think I gave a lot of it away.
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Even when i was well on phenibut i was always walking around feeling numb(emotionally) or just plain angry. I built up a tolerance and 3.5g daily was the most I wanted to do. When that wasn't doing it for me to make things worse everything started to become less effective, even weed beer and sex! I realized my reward pathways were somehow getting dulled. Once i tapered down, made the switch to long acting benzo's it was such a smooth transition. Now im happy go-lucky, looking for a job and waking up feeling refreshed and not in w/d. Also weighing that shit on my scale was tough when i got under 100mg. My scale will jump from .00-.04 so i can't measure anything less then 40mg cuz its a ghetto hand me down scale. Here's a pic of those little spoons they give for those that dont know the struggle of scooping a million tiny scoops! The struggle is real!
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I spoke too soon on Thursday night.
I went to Liftmode's site and reread their shipping policy. They don't send the shipping confirmation with the tracking number until the shipping company scans the package the first time.
Around 11pm on Thursday night, I got the shipping confirmation and tracking number.
Sure enough, they had packed the shipment about twenty minutes after I ordered it, it was dropped off at the shipping company after 7:30, and the package was scanned for departure shortly before 11pm Thursday night.
It also came on Friday like normal. Ordering a little before 4pm Thursday and getting the package a little after 12:30pm Friday is damn amazing IMO. From Chicago to the Cincinnati metro area.
That company has always been excellent to me. I can't recommend them enough. Much better price point for phenibut than PrimaForce IMO, that's for damn sure.
Last month they were out of the fine crystals 500g phenibut HCl, so I had to get the large crystals version. That's what I'm using now. It's still as effective. It's just that the large crystals version is about $35 or so more expensive than the small crystals version. I switched back to the small crystals version this time.
Now I don't have to worry about being fucked if something were to happen. I've still got 2/3 of the 500g large crystals version I'm currently using. And I've got an unopened 500g container of the small crystals version for a backup and safety net.
Thanks again for all the help, Sk8phaze! Your answers have been very useful.
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I'm glad i could help!
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Do you guys think this would be helpful for a boozehound, needing a good gaba stabilizer/tapering substance/anxiety relief rather than just a drug to get fucked up on(since i prefer alcohol over benzos and im assuming i would over this)
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@DiacetylKineval Thats, for the most part, what I did.
Your millage may vary. I don't think its as smooth sailing as valium. Its like it helps, physically and mentally, but doesn't cover everything because it is mainly Gaba B and only a GABA A agonist in high dosages.
I never took it to get fucked up. I was drinking hard at night, and taking it in the morning. Eventually when i had enough of the booze, I just took phenibut throughout the day, along with L-Theanine, Valerian Root, and Tianeptine. Tomorrow is 2 weeks of not getting drunk. Idk how your drinking habits are, I didn't consider mine to bad compared to some, I was drinking 400-600ml of vodka a night, and usually get a 16oz beer at 1130-12 noon if i was at work, or just start drinking (slowly) around that time. Then 5-6 comes around I was hitting the vodka. I wouldn't always have shakes, but the fear was something that was becoming a daily(morning) thing until the phenibut would kick in or i'd get a drink.
I'd give it a try, but I'd say stick to using it to taper, or kick. Phenibut withdrawal can be bad I've heard, but I feel its more easy to manage than alcohol. I capped mine 500mg a cap, and have tapered down and kinda stabilized at 2 grams in the morning and 500mg around 5-7pm. No alcohol, but i throw L-theanine sublingual, valerian root, as needed and tianeptine(2-3x daily 12.5-50mg, tianeptine is a antidepressant but it has mild opioid affects, which i think helps)
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I drank a liter of jim beam on probation each night for a good year. Since ive been either homeless or in need of rent or within reach of better drugs thats changed. But the consequences i potentially can experience from getting goofy really arent dose dependent lol. How exactly would you say they differ from benzos? Afaik i wouldnt be able to easily get a benzo script as i have hospitalizations for drug abuse on my record, but i dont want to fuck with some legal shit that kind of helps but really just becomea another expense because its readily available for interim periods but doesnt satisfy enough to facilitate a full stop
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It's hard to say. I haven't touched a benzo in over two years now since my benzo induced dui and subsequent probation violation. Also, I wasn't trying to go crazy with a high dose except for the initial few days. Just enough to keep me from jumping back. I've read many people have had success with using phenibut to help with alcohol withdrawal, but like for example, even a week in while still taking the phenibut, I still would have at times "intense anxiety" and cravings, that I had to fight my self out of, but I have no doubt in my mind if it wasn't for the phenibut and other supplements I wouldn't have made.
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Im gonna avoid the tianpetine, but everything else id assume i have to hit up GNC?
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Gnc isn't cost affective. There L-theanine is like 27$ for a bottle of capsules, where as online you can get the pure powder for way cheaper, and using the same scoop @sk8phaze posted I just put 2-3 scoops under my tounge and let it dissolve. L-theanine actually kinda tastes like powdered sugar to me so it's not bad. The phenibut I just dump into a glass with water and drink that before the sublingual. The valerian root I get from Walmart, because where I'm at Walmart is the only one that has valerian root extract in the caps also, so it's stronger, but you can get that online to for cheaper probably. It's like $4 a bottle for me though and it lasts a few days-week.
Google powder city is where I get my stuff from. Idk if that is allowed sourcing wise lmk if not
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I think probably for legal stuff its cool. I really dont know either. But i appreciate it. Im in kind of an extended stay motel type situation, so getting packages at the front desk just may depend on them feeling me out. Kind of a gnarly place really, lots of felons and speedfreaks
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im extremely happy to report 2g's is keeping hefty etiz habit wds at bay.
I expected more of a physical or mental 'feeling' from the stuff but if its keeping that miserable feeling I had woken up with this morning as a result of receiving 500mg of u-44770 instead of the 500mg of etiz I had ordered, then I am certainly okay with that.
fwiw the u-4 is an interesting little drug. the high doesnt last long but it keeps dope sickness away longer than good dope.
but this phenibut that was thankfully gifted to me is seriously saving my ass right now. I didnt think the etiz wd's would be that bad this go around. apparently I hadnt tapered as much as I thought.
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im extremely happy to report 2g's is keeping hefty etiz habit wds at bay.
I expected more of a physical or mental 'feeling' from the stuff but if its keeping that miserable feeling I had woken up with this morning as a result of receiving 500mg of u-44770 instead of the 500mg of etiz I had ordered, then I am certainly okay with that.
fwiw the u-4 is an interesting little drug. the high doesnt last long but it keeps dope sickness away longer than good dope.
but this phenibut that was thankfully gifted to me is seriously saving my ass right now. I didnt think the etiz wd's would be that bad this go around. apparently I hadnt tapered as much as I thought.
Phenibut is a life saver at certain times. I like a good 400-500mg dose mixed with water.
I also used L-Theanine to be synergistic with each other. sometimes i'll even take benzo's and
GABA-a agonists like diazepam or alprozalam.
There are legal ways to ween off of stuff legally, kava-kava for benzo's, phenibut for gaba-b withdrawls.
But overall if you use these in a correct manner, they work great. But everyone is different so who knows what your dosage should be.
Anyhow. good luck!
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I just ordered 10 grams of the powder.
what is a decent recreational dose for someone who enjoys 10 mg of Diazepam?
EDIT:
I just read that 1 gram is a common dose and it takes 3 hours to take full effect and lasts for 9-16 hours.
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I took 2.6 grams and found this site:
http://phenibutgod.com
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All I can say is strength very by vendors.
Be careful I have woken up days later.
With absolutely no clue to who I am am for at least 30 minutes.
Dangerous stuff if you don't know what you are messing with.
I'm surprised it's legal
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I had a bottle of light wine and it knocked me out.
I still have a Phenibut hangover ... 2.6 was too much. Due to it's addictiveness, I need 4 days off (1 day per 500 mg.) before trying again.
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I had a bottle of light wine and it knocked me out.
I still have a Phenibut hangover ... 2.6 was too much. Due to it's addictiveness, I need 4 days off (1 day per 500 mg.) before trying again.
Chip, best get rid of the stuff while you can.
If you can regiment yourself to once every two weeks phenibut can be a major tool for helping confidence, anxiety, and cognitive abilities.
Dosing multiple times within one of even two weeks is playing with fire. Withdrawal from phenibut is no joke, heavy habit w/ds are worse than opiates and as bad as benzodiazepines. The extent and scope of side effects are extremely large/wide.
Its very easy once you find that perfect dose (mine was 2.5g) and discover the magic of phenibut to end up chasing those effects.
Tread lightly.
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noted. good advice. I only have 7.4 grams left and will go easy. it's still in effect and it is a great anti-anxiety tool.
I will defer any more experimentation for a while.
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Glad u got to try it chipper! I only use 500mg like once or twice a week, i was hooked last year. Its weird, u can tell when its wearing off by a very distinct salty gaba taste on your tounge. I wont go over 500mg since i had a bad experience about a year ago, and just like in the post above you can wake up days laters. Hungover as a bitch
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i have only used it 3 times and the last two were at 1 gram BUT the last time, i could barely feel it so i can definitely conclude that tolerance builds rapidly.
i haven't known a drug like this and it really has made me VERY cautious of it.
Yeah, 500/1000 mg. once in a while seems like a satisfactory dose but only once in a blue moon.
I really appreciate all the wise words from everyone ... Phenibut is no joke.
sk8phase, interesting about the salty taste in your mouth, i hope i never get to experience that now that i have been sufficiently warned.
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Well it seems like as long as I don't go over
3 scoops that I ordered from L.M
keep me good for 24 hrs
when I first started fkin wit dis stuff I did 3grams and lost two days
I posted a vid that has since been taken down
of what I call auto pilot mode
I look awake and fictional
WRONG
you can only do this 2 times a week
and its great if used right
I would try to find a dose that works for you
start small as it takes along time for onset
and does have a slight hung over feel the next am
there is another. Vendor with the initials P.C
there stuff seems weaker then L.M.
I still use it as a fall back when I just can't sleep.
but that last black out was to much.
I'm really getting tired of all the drugs that erase
my memory.
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I don't know what it was, if it was the phenibut, or just me. or a combination. I quit drinking using phenibut, then i started loosing my mind. It was a slow decline into psychosis. I dont know if the dopamine rebound was responsible. But I ened up being psychotic thinking if i took the phenibut I'd black out and act on the obcessive crazyness that I didn't want anything to do with, but wouldn't stop flying through my head in cycles. Then once i stopped the phenibut it was full on "they are controlling my brain" Ive read other alcoholics say phenibut for them would sometimes do nothing or send them into psychosis so IDK. but I havent messed with it sense. I got diagnosed bipolar with paranoia, OCD, anxitety/panic attacks. Got put on risperdone now abilify but i'm lowering my doses and don't feel that crazy intense 'mode' i would get into at times. Which looking back might have been the dopamine rebound. I kept my doses steady around 2-4 grams a day I don;t recall, but I'd dose roughly the same every day at specific times.
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Did you have to taper off the Phenibut ?
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Yeah, i weened off slowly in the course of 2 months from 3.5g daily to 50mg then to 25mg to nada, comfort meds help with the taper
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So, in a sleepless night, I ordered some of this stuff. I havent had a benzo or similar in almost 5 years after kicking daily diazepam+rcs (which pretty much wiped my memory, past memories i do remember feel like stories that never happened to me, also had neurological disease); I do drink alcohol sometimes but dont really care for it and usually force myself to drink. I'll probably start at 500-700mg see how it goes. I dont think i'll have a problem using once or twice/week, long as I dont feel kindling or poor on off days, like when drinking daily you feel like you have a minor flu when not drinking.