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Title: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Jega on November 01, 2015, 12:01:52 AM
Well we have 3 days until we vote on marijuana in Ohio. November 3, 2015


Question: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3


A quote from NORMAL “Ohio voters support legalizing personal marijuana use 53 - 44 percent. Men support it 59 - 38 percent. Women are divided, with 47 percent in favor and 49 percent opposed.”

But the general polls (Pew, nbc/wsj) polls constantly show it passing or within the margin of error.

Ohio has always been seen as a bellwether for the nation

The Ohio AG didn’t want it on the ballet so he created “Issue 2” which makes a Marijuana monopoly illegal so if Issue 2 passes, Issue 3 doesn’t matter

If you live in Ohio please vote.  Please even if you live in an affluent area where you think it would never pass, vote anyway because the count is statewide,

No on 2; Yes on 3; Issue 15 isn't awful either.

http://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative,_Issue_3_(2015)
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Anti-hero on November 01, 2015, 12:26:07 AM
Yes
They sit on the state line
Watching there tax dollars
Fix my pot holes
Now the roads will get bad again.

If it does and you want
To get in the ground floor of growing
I can help
Also if it's legal
Probably won't be because
Of the state line
I got extra that you can have
To help buy grow lights
Seeds, chemicals.

Ann Arbor was voted
The most dispensary friendly city
In the USA.
Go Michigan
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: AllNightLong on November 01, 2015, 12:32:11 AM
The people behind Responsible Ohio are fucking greedy asshats. They are trying to make sure that them and their people have a monolopy on the marijuana industry in Ohio if everything passes.

Its kind of like here is your recreational marijuana but you have to buy from us and no growing and selling your own. This particular issue is flawed from what I am told from relatives that live in Ohio. I lived there for 22 or so years and would have loved to have the chance to vote on it, but it doesn't look promising for this year. I am hearing maybe 2020 for the next real chance at passing recreational marijuana in the state if it doesn't pass this year.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Anti-hero on November 01, 2015, 12:36:03 AM
Yea that is messed up if you got to
Get it from them and not be able
To grow your own
What is the point in that
I am going to grow my own
Poppies next year
We bake allot
I want all natural seeds to
And I think of I don't score/harvest them
should be good.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Jega on November 01, 2015, 12:42:10 AM
The people behind Responsible Ohio are fucking greedy asshats. They are trying to make sure that them and their people have a monolopy on the marijuana industry in Ohio if everything passes.

Its kind of like here is your recreational marijuana but you have to buy from us and no growing and selling your own. This particular issue is flawed from what I am told from relatives that live in Ohio. I lived there for 22 or so years and would have loved to have the chance to vote on it, but it doesn't look promising for this year. I am hearing maybe 2020 for the next real chance at passing recreational marijuana in the state if it doesn't pass this year.

Ohio already has a monopoly on any alcohol above 20% so we've proven we can stomach monopoly.

The point is is issue 2 fails and issue 3 passes, I'll be able to walk into a legal store no different than a Speeedway. Pay a competitive price for something. And leave. Legally.

Is the legislation perfect? No. Most are not. Let's get this done then work on making the law better.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Narkotikon on November 01, 2015, 06:06:24 AM
To clarify, IF Issue 2 fails and Issue 3 passes, you CAN grow your own MJ.  The amounts are just low.  You can get a license, and grow up to four flowering plants, and produce and share up to 8oz. of homegrown MJ. 

For buying it in a store, you can purchase / possess / share up to 1oz. 

I voted on this Wednesday.  Yes on 1, No on 2, Yes on 3. 

The legislation isn't perfect by any means.  It is a get-rich scheme for the monopoly, and it severely limits independent growers.  BUT, it's a start.  The point is to get your foot in the door, and expand and improve the law later on. 

The other thing I didn't like about Issue 2 is that it would prevent voters / citizens from gathering signatures and putting legislation on ballots.  If 2 passed, Ohioans couldn't do that anymore.  I think that's shitty.  I hate the Republican asshats in power here. 
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Jega on November 01, 2015, 06:48:49 AM
The other thing I didn't like about Issue 2 is that it would prevent voters / citizens from gathering signatures and putting legislation on ballots.  If 2 passed, Ohioans couldn't do that anymore.  I think that's shitty.  I hate the Republican asshats in power here.
Oh who needs those pesky voters anyway.

I believe the points you made we're solid and thank you for voting.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Narkotikon on November 01, 2015, 07:29:54 AM
Hopefully it'll pass.  If there are enough younger and middle-aged voters, I can see it passing.  But it is a general election, and those don't usually draw the crowds like a Presidential election. 

If it passes, I wonder how soon it will be enacted.  When would stores start popping up. 

I'm pretty much fucked either way.  Even if I were to find a strain that guaranteed an anxiety-free high, I'm sure the Sub doctor wouldn't allow it. 
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Jega on November 01, 2015, 08:30:16 AM
They are doing everything to make this not pass.

Issue 2 for one thing

Doing it in an off election year 2015 is another

We have negative adds coming in from both out of state AND the Alcohol industry. They did it in Colorado too.
If it passes, it will come down to the ground game which I’m frankly impressed with but I just don’t know if it will be enough to get enough registered voters out to the polls. We can hope.

I don’t know how the tax system will work or when distributors can open. I we look at Colorado, Washington and Oregon as examples, it takes them about 12 months to get their act together. Write the regulations; get the tax code in place, etc.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: corlene on November 01, 2015, 09:28:28 AM
Here in florida during the general election for state stuff MMJ was voted on it had to have a 60% vote for yes it ended up being 58%. I'm sure during the presidential election way more people will turn out and we can get 60% next year.

If you live in florida please goto http://www.unitedforcare.org print out the petition and sign it and mail it away, u must be a registered voter or it won't count I've got about 50 signatures so far from friends and family.

CBD strains such as Charlotte's Web is approved in florida however there in a legal battle to find the 5 nurseries who have to post a crazy bond, br established for something like 20 or 30 years and have a certain amount of gross sales a year.

It's a fucked up situation, as there are already 40 or so doctors whom are licensed to prescribe it but there's no way to procure it legally.

The state is hosting a discussion with the legislators and such from Colorado next week, also growers and patients, their trying to figure out how everything works, if the amendment passes in 2016 our state will be very much like colorado, everything tracked from seed to sale.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Jega on November 01, 2015, 10:08:53 AM

If you live in florida please goto http://www.unitedforcare.org print out the petition and sign it and mail it away, u must be a registered voter or it won't count I've got about 50 signatures so far from friends and family.

CBD strains such as Charlotte's Web is approved in florida however there in a legal battle to find the 5 nurseries who have to post a crazy bond, br established for something like 20 or 30 years and have a certain amount of gross sales a year.

It's a fucked up situation, as there are already 40 or so doctors who are licensed to prescribe it but there's no way to procure it legally.

The petition really are important.
Big change always starts at little change.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: chemicalchart on November 01, 2015, 03:21:15 PM
Oregon just started selling rec pot Oct. 1. Then Jan. 1 they add a 25% tax.  I predict the last week in Dec business will be booming. Good luck Ohio.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Anti-hero on November 01, 2015, 03:27:11 PM
Oregon just started selling rec pot Oct. 1. Then Jan. 1 they add a 25% tax.  I predict the last week in Dec business will be booming. Good luck Ohio.

The thing is they could add
a 100% tax
And people would pay it.
When it gets close to fifty states
I predict they will start with holding federal dollars.
You will get
Pot holes
With your pot
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: corlene on November 03, 2015, 06:02:49 PM
If this passes tomorrow, it will be a windfall for the rest of the states debating whether or not to allow medical use of cannabis.

Ohio is the proving ground, I hope all of ya up there vote tomorrow if your able!
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: corlene on November 03, 2015, 06:35:14 PM
I just got this email and its fucking great news:


Our opponents have decided NOT to contest United for Care's 2016 petition at the Florida Supreme Court.  As you may recall, United for Care won approval of the 2014 petition despite strong opposition by Attorney General Bondi’s office, as well as the Florida Medical Association, Chamber of Commerce, Florida Sheriffs Association and others.

NONE of these groups filed opposition this time!

While this could mean a speedier approval by the Supreme Court, it is at least a tacit acknowledgment by Attorney General Bondi that this petition is likely to satisfy the Court. 

The 2016 petition was changed (from the 2014 version) to clarify some points, particularly as it relates to parental consent and the process in which people can become caregivers.  It also makes explicitly clear what the Supreme Court found was implied in the 2014 version: that medical marijuana could only be recommended to people with serious, debilitating conditions.

Though the court will still need to approve the petition, it appears the most significant obstacle to getting on the ballot will be obtaining enough validated petitions.  To that end, we need each of you to go here, fill out the form, download and sign the petition, and mail it in. 

Please also encourage your friends and family to do the same, by forwarding this email and sharing the petition link (http://www.unitedforcare.org/petition) on Facebook and Twitter.

Thank you,

Ben Pollara
Campaign Manager
United for Care
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Narkotikon on November 04, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
It's official, Issue 2 passed, and Issue 3 failed.  That means no weed, and no more having things put on ballots via gaining signatures. 

As I understand it, now only politicians can put forward new laws / issues.  Dark days indeed. 

This conservative backwater state sucks ass.  Ignorant people afraid of a little weed.   ::)   
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Jega on November 04, 2015, 04:11:15 PM
Issue 1 - Create Redistricting Commiss Bipartisan Redistricting -- 8,773 of 8,905 precincts reporting (99%)
Yes   2,042,007   71%   (X)
No   814,685           29%   

Issue 2 - Prohibit Market Monopolies -- 8,773 of 8,905 precincts reporting (99%)
Yes   1,565,558   52%   (X)
No   1,463,526           48%   

Issue 3 - Legalize Recreational Mariju -- 8,773 of 8,905 precincts reporting (99%)
No   1,973,882   64%   (X)
Yes  1,103,899   36%


I wasn't sure it would pass but I didn't think we would get our ass kicked so bad. I'll admit I'm in shock tonight. I don't know what the next move should be.

At least my Zoo levy passed and the cop didn't win election to be mayor of Columbus.

And we now have Bipartisan Redistricting in Ohio which is a big fucking deal.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Jega on November 04, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/federalelections2012.pdf

In 2012 2,661,437 voted for Mitt Romney.

In 2015 1,973,882 voted against issue 3. Which I admit is high in an off election year.

The more I think about this, this was a failure of organization and turnout.

This was not a failure of policy. Well issue 2 might have been a not so subtle attempt to blow up Issue 3 but that's a different conversation.

This isn't over, not by a long shot.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: sk8phaze on November 04, 2015, 07:53:06 PM
I cheated 😁 I voted after i heard on the news this morning on the AM radio. Ohio is full of snowbirds that haven't gone south yet and there "not gonna have that damn dope in my town " lol. And by dope i mean pot. Even my dad calls it that and I always think he means H then I realized he meant weed and I laugh it off. He's from southern Michigan and everyone in ohio and Indiana are way uptight and very old school
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Daughter of Dionysus on November 04, 2015, 08:31:53 PM
Sadly it failed
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: _Enduser on November 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
I guess the old farts described by sk8phaze won out this time!!!!!!!

Fuckers.  If only we weren't too stoned to vote!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o

BTW I'm all for keeping marijuana illegal.  More fun that way.  I'm white what do I have to worry about anyways?  Only blak people get pot charges am-i-rite?

No, black people and poor white folk.  And poor Asian folks, and poor Mexicans, etc.  Fuck, I've been getting hemmed with pot bullshit, since I was pretty young.  It introduced me to such classic hits as  "everyone thinks you're a criminal now" and "you ain't no str8 a student goody two shoes mothers child you're a bad egg" when I was young, and also THE CLASSIC HIT "now I'm on piss tests and can't smoke weed, I guess I can do opiates!"-

and here I am, some 10 odd years later.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Junkette on November 04, 2015, 11:46:28 PM
I mean I dunno, I'm glad the corporate shit got shut down. It's easy enough to buy any drug in ohio...so that sort of is a non issue. Sadly, they still make too much money locking people up to change anything.

Too many apathetic people who have given up on voting, becoming willing slaves.

I really don't understand how issue 2 passed, that's the devastating part. I know that many were confused by the obtuse language used on the ballot..I bet a lot of people are in shock right now.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: makadone7dayz3 on November 05, 2015, 05:12:50 AM
I live in Florida, so I had no dog in the fight. However, I am glad it didn't pass because that monopoly shit did not sit right with me. Ten people having total control over marijuana distribution. Fuck that. Noone should have to buy there pot from freaking nick lachey.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: corlene on November 05, 2015, 06:03:36 AM
Florida had 58% vote yes during a vote for a rigged election for Rick Scott's re election ..

There will be  far greater turn out for the presedential election, we should be able to surpass 60% polls right now list 80% of registered voters approve of mmj.

We need a state with a major republican base like florida to get things moving in this country, I don't mean to draw politics into this.. sorry
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: Zoops on November 05, 2015, 07:24:50 AM
Issue 3 was doomed from the start. How the fuck did these greedy rich people get their grimy hands in the pot (pun intended) to begin with?

I mean I'd HAVE to vote no on issue 3 and yes on issue 2 if I had half a brain. Bring that shit back next year and let's see what happens without the monopoly issue muddying the waters.

I mean where tha fuck do they enshrine in a state's constitution ten specific locations (and owners of those locations) where marijuana can be legally grown? Where the fuck they do that at?

Any libertarian minded free-thinker would have to vote no on issue 3 and yes on issue 2.
Title: Re: Do you think it Marijuana will pass in Ohio? Issue3
Post by: corlene on November 05, 2015, 07:33:41 AM
Florida is only going to authorize 5 nurseries to grow high cbd strains, they have to be established for last 30 years, post an obscene bond over 1 million dollars and they have to be spread through out the state.

The reason no cbd high strains are available yet is because all the nurseries that fit those guidelines are fighting each other in court.

Doctors are allowed to write scripts as long as they take a course by the dept of health, like a CME.. Most of the doctors who are licensed happen to be current or ex pill mill docs, does that suprise you?

Too bad those who would benefit from high cbd low thc mmj can't get any legally and it's been approved for 2 years already.
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