Post by: Jega on August 22, 2015, 02:39:16 AM
So let's try one without a triazole ring lately shall we. I've seen this stuff called everything under the sun it honestly makes me want to be using iupac nomenclature. Diclazapam. Off white crystalline structure in it's pure form. Reminds me of the way solid etiz looks.
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First off let's save someone some time one day. This is not your Etizolam replacement. Too many issues. Used correctly though this could help some people. I have Panic disorder so i'm giving it the college try with a bag of 300mg. I'm not entirely sure on potency equivalency because so much of its activity comes from its metabolites but lets say 1mg to 10mg Diazepam. Onset is 45-120min but we can call a 90 minute average with an approximate elimination half-life of 42 hours(so says 1 study). A lot of it's activity comes from extremely long lasting active metabolites and if anyone in the benzo RC scene is thinking to themselves, oh i've seen this episode before, well ya, this is a great Phenazepam replacement. What i'm attempting to say is if you're looking at RC Benzos as recreational drugs this is probably not the direction you want to go.
Very different change of pace for me. I tend to most enjoy fast onset hard hitting hypnotics and this is not that by any measure. This metabolises into lorazepam, delorazepam, and lormetazepam. Since those are most certainly active you will feel even one dose. This isn't quite as bad as Phenazepam was by any measure, but the elimination half-lifes of it's metabolites can be days so if you are redosing you are building up active metabolites in your system. This is how accidents happen.
This feels more like lorazepam then diazepam to me, which makes sense since that's an active metabolite with the strong muscle relaxation. At the doses i've so far used it, I can't see this being honestly called a hypnotic but a anxiolytic all day long. I've seen what more or less account to trip reports all over the internet machine saying this is a great sleeping benzo. No. This is not that. Onset of action is too long and the metabolites stay active in your system far too long.
I'm not honestly sure what to call this. Maybe an accident waiting to happen. I could see that. This is a benzo I almost feel more like i'm studying then "using". I haven't had my typical knock on my ass that anything with a triazole ring will do. But give it time to work and muscle relaxation check, disinhibition check, anxiety relief check (thank the lord), it is a solid benzo, if maybe some of it's cousins stick around too long.
Post by: Jega on August 22, 2015, 09:20:07 AM
And yes the wd symptoms break though...kinda. I have a gut feeling its the Lorazepam that's wearing off because I don't have the skeletal muscle relaxation that I did several hours ago. and 6 hours is a long time to push straight Lorazepam even if we start counting at 5 hours from thew start of a dose.
I've never felt wd for benzos while on benzos, oh and causing a panic attack. That was a fun experience.
Post by: Jega on August 23, 2015, 09:22:54 AM
If you keep redosing for elimination half-lifes of it's metabolites can be days so if you are redosing you are building up active metabolites in your system. This is how accidents happen.
I have taken a lot of benzos in my life. More then I care to name off at the moment. None have felt like this. This feels like all of it's actions are coming from a half dozen active metabolites. It's...Wierd!
I do think it bares repeating, if you are looking for a hard hitting hypnotic,great for insomnia, this is not for you! Onset of action is too long and the metabolites stay active in your system far too long.
Post by: makita on August 23, 2015, 09:32:38 AM
Post by: Jega on August 23, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
I would call that a load of crap and use this as a great example. Lormetazepam a metabolite of Diclazapam stays in your system for 19 days and is twice as potent as Lorazepam, something in their hypothesis is off here!
This is not the first "Benzo" to act more of a pro-drug for other sedatives then be then be active itself.
Post by: Morfy on August 23, 2015, 10:57:50 AM
With some Benzos, they might have a relatively short half life, but they have active metabolites.
In the case of diazepam, its active metabolites get stored in the gall bladder, and the released with bile during digestion.
So this may account for the long duration of action, as well as the long detectability of certain drugs WRT urinalysis. Valium can be detected for weeks or more (being fat soluble, its metabolites get recycled thru the bile), while Versed (midazolam) is water soluble and is pissed away fairly quickly--like being detectable by UA for 3-5 days.
Post by: Jega on August 23, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
Makita,
With some Benzos, they might have a relatively short half life, but they have active metabolites.
In the case of diazepam, its active metabolites get stored in the gall bladder, and the released with bile during digestion.
So this may account for the long duration of action, as well as the long detectability of certain drugs WRT urinalysis. Valium can be detected for weeks or more (being fat soluble, its metabolites get recycled thru the bile), while Versed (midazolam) is water soluble and is pissed away fairly quickly--like being detectable by UA for 3-5 days.
So this is first pass metabolism?
Post by: Zoops on August 24, 2015, 07:41:16 AM
Post by: Jega on August 27, 2015, 06:07:15 AM
The more time with Diclazapam the more I think FOR SOME PEOPLE this could be a winner.
Post by: neighbor on August 28, 2015, 02:03:05 AM
So what your saying (on my 8mg of ativan) is that this first pass the way we think of as opiates. Every time the hepatic circulation forces N-demethylation and makes more delorazepam. It doesn't all it it at once.
Jega you my African American, but I've been rereading this for about 4 minutes and still dont understand what you're saying. I dont know if its because Im not very smart or because of the 8mg of ativan you took. (fucking slow down. benzo tolerance drops fast)
Post by: Jega on August 28, 2015, 12:00:50 PM
Post by: neighbor on August 29, 2015, 06:11:34 AM
Both. But i'll work on a refrain from posting I say while I hold a 150mg flubromazolam.
Im not sure if you meant to call me stupid or if this is another example of you overdoing the benzos a little bit
Post by: Jega on August 29, 2015, 06:29:19 AM
I haven't broking into the next round of Flubromazolam yet. That shit, (Flubromazolam) neeeds to be C1 now though the emergency scheduling act. If we thought Rophenol (Flunitrazepam) was bad, although it wasn't exactly when used correctly, amnesic effects of Flubromazolam blow it out of the club. And I never have once before said a drug should be ILLEGAL but this is just too dangerous. At it's effective dose range you'ed never see it sprinkled in your drink.
So since I remember I called you both it couldn't have been the benzos.
Post by: Chip on August 29, 2015, 12:58:18 PM
I mean to say both but i like you.
I haven't broking into the next round of Flubromazolam yet. That shit, (Flubromazolam) neeeds to be C1 now though the emergency scheduling act. If we thought Rohypnol (Flunitrazepam) was bad, although it wasn't exactly when used correctly, amnesic effects of Flubromazolam blow it out of the club. And I never have once before said a drug should be ILLEGAL but this is just too dangerous. At it's effective dose range you'ed never see it sprinkled in your drink.
So since I remember I called you both it couldn't have been the benzos.
it's time like this that i hope someone in authority is reading this.
thanks for the heads-up, Jega - it must a damn heavy benzo ... i'll pass.
Post by: Zoops on August 29, 2015, 09:49:40 PM
Or is it just a really effective mind eraser?
Post by: Jega on August 30, 2015, 02:58:43 AM
Do you think Flubromazolam is strong enough to cause death in an overdose situation?
Or is it just a really effective mind eraser?
That's a hard call. Short answer No. I can't honestly answer. I would need a control and someone willing to engage in the possibility of killing themselves. I would never allow that that happen. I've done the equivalent of 300mg-40mg Diazepam ~100mg Alprazolam more then once. In a couple hours. But: tolerance works like benzos they way they work like opiates. I would have to imagine a benzo person would suffer respiratory depression but until this is is clinically tested (DON'T TEST THIS) It's all just a best guess and my guess is we have a benzo where It's lethal index at that those to intubate them.
if you like hypnotics you'll LOVE this. But IV was VERY underwhelming. Stick to Sublingual. This is HR info this is just how it reacted in my body.
If you don't have extensive experience with hypnotics Flubromazolam is not for you. At all. Diclazapam on the other hand....TOTAL opposite. And a good one.
Post by: neighbor on August 30, 2015, 02:22:36 PM
I mean to say both but i like you.
you're hurting my benzo-numbed feelings, Jega
Post by: Jega on February 24, 2016, 03:21:46 AM
front.jpg (109.93 kB . 713x512 - viewed 382 times)I look in my mailbox and look what I find Diclazapam! White and crystal. I don’t think I could have imagined this more, but everyone always thinks that about good drugs. So after working my but off on eBay and getting some shopping down I got myself a treat. I thought it was going to be 5000mg of Clonazolam but it turned out to be 500mg of Diclazapam,
Consider I around 30 1mg Xanax
And almost no Gabapentin
Looks like were setting up for Diclazapam found 2.
First impressions; this takes 45 minutes to 2 hours plus for full effect. It last for six hours safely. This has that leg and the muscle relaxing power from Lorazepam, and Lormetazepam, It also has a whole different slew of different half-lives. I don’t know what to make of this one
Post by: Guts on February 24, 2016, 10:06:26 AM
Also, if you had to pick one RC opiate currently on the market, which one would it be? Fun-wise.
Post by: Zoops on February 24, 2016, 12:16:58 PM
Post by: Guts on February 24, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
I don't think benzos are fun at all, by themselves. But you didn't ask me so I'll STFU.
I agree... benzos are quite lacking by themselves. With opiates providing the euphoria though, it's a different story.
I guess I'm trying to ask which one has the most kick. Like I'd probably pick xanax as having the most kick and if I wanted to get high but would pick clonazepam if I wanted to maintain on a daily basis if it was between those two. Same with H and methadone.
Post by: Jega on February 24, 2016, 05:22:11 PM
What the fuck... am I losing it or did you really forget youve typed experience reports about this drug before? Your last post said "first impressions" and "I don't know what to make of this one" but this whole thread is full of experience reports on the same drug... by you...
Also, if you had to pick one RC opiate currently on the market, which one would it be? Fun-wise.
Yeah...the same drug. Would you really rather span the threads with every time I got the same drug?
Come on man.
Post by: Guts on February 24, 2016, 05:34:16 PM
Now I feel dumb lol. :blank: <- me running away
Post by: Jega on February 24, 2016, 05:50:26 PM
Post by: Chip on March 16, 2016, 03:22:57 AM
ignore this, @Jega if you don't IV.
I used to inject Diazepam ampoules when I could get them and I remember enjoying it when mixed with stims.
Post by: Jega on March 16, 2016, 05:09:28 AM
Post by: Roman Totale on March 16, 2016, 06:59:36 AM
Besides etizolam (which I've gotten in both pharm and RC form), I only went for clonazolam and flubrazolam... I've got plenty of the latter that I'm scared to take, lol, it just takes too long to kick in and then fucks you up too hard, too suddenly. Same to a lesser extent with clonazolam.
Right now my RC benzo interests are in the metabolites of Erimin (nitrazepam) and Rohypnol (flunitrazepam) that they've managed to reverse-engineer...
Post by: Chip on March 16, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
Post by: Roman Totale on March 16, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
Post by: Chip on March 16, 2016, 08:32:05 AM
Post by: Roman Totale on March 16, 2016, 08:44:11 AM
EDIT: I suppose it's a little chauvinistic to assume that Mogadon/nitrazepam is not a "regular" benzo in AUS, but it has ceased to be in the US a while back -- I think Restoril/temazepam and especially Ambien/zolpidem killed off virtually all the hypnotic benzos... I knew a young lady supposedly prescribed Halcion/triazolam for her persistent insomnia, but never saw any; had a shrink who said only the USA and Libya still prescribed Halcion, which can't be true, but I love the idea.
Post by: Guts on March 16, 2016, 10:46:42 AM