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Title: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Griffin on March 22, 2016, 01:44:55 PM
Just wondering I had a wonderful guest speaker in my Sociology of Contemporary Problems and she went over the huge problems especially in America about our meat consumption, and factory Farm. It was disgusting, I have never been a big meat eater, but I do love sushi, and I hate milk, I will only put it in lucky charms, all other cereals I will eat them without milk and have never drank milk by itself because I think it is disgusting. For each 8 oz of milk the FDA allows one syringe full of puss, and feces. Not to mention all growth hormones, steroids, pesticides, hormones, and every other disgusting thing we pump into those animals most can't even walk. 80% of all antibiotics used each year are used on cows.

I was just wondering what everyones thoughts are about it and what everyone else eating habits are. I am wanting to switch to a pretty much full blow veganism but I still want to eat sushi I love almond milk and if you are a big milk drinker I strongly advise you to get some Vanilla Almond milk, and also look into the differences. Also please everyone look into how awful it is for your body to drink milk, we are the only species that drinks another species breast milk and were are the only species who drinks another species breast milk after we are babies.

it is disgusting, and just drinking milk is completely unhealthy for you it causes tons of diseases and problems. Every Medical organization has sued milk producers for lying and they are legally no longer allowed to put that it does the body good because it doesn't at all, it causes all kinds of diseases and everything about drinking milk causes unhealthy reactions within humans such as diabetes cancers, obesity, stomach and skin problems. It is horrible for you to drink and please do research about it and stop drinking it, as almond, cashew, and soy milk are 1000x better tasting and better for you they are very healthy and easy to cook with.

I am going to post more about it later after I get a look into everyones votes, and post bout how factory farms are the biggest polluters of all industries and cause more pollution than all of the oil an transportation industries combined. They also waste more water that we can't get back than any other thing in the world including all humans and industries together.

NOT DRINKING ONE GLASS OF MILK IS EQUIVALENT TO NOT TAKING 27 SHOWERS WATER LOSS WISE. IF JUST AMERICAN FAMILIES DECIDED TO SUBSTITUTE EATING ONE VEGAN MEAL A WEEK IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT TO TAKING OFF 600,000,000 CARS OFF THE ROAD FOREVER 600 MILLION!!! IF JUST AMERICAN FAMILIES DECIDED TO SUBSTITUTE EATING ONE VEGAN MEAL A MONTH IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF TAKING OF 7,000,000 CARS OFF THE ROAD FOREVER! ONE YEAR OF PURCHASES HAS 10X THE POWER OF A LIFE TIME OF VOTING!
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: theSWPK on March 22, 2016, 03:56:08 PM
Eating one vegan meal a week for all us families would be the equivalent of taking 600 mil cars off the road? I call bullshit. For how long?
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: dizzle on March 22, 2016, 05:03:25 PM
So lemme get this straight.


You had a woman come speak to you about this shit and now you're all pumped full of "save the animals" spouting off NON factual stuff to make your points.


I've eaten organic, grass fed, pasture raised, hormone free meats for years now. Chicken, Beef, all of them, I only buy organic, and I always make sure it's hormone free and cage-free.


You're going to have to do better than sentences in all caps to prove to me what your saying is right, ALSO:


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IF JUST AMERICAN FAMILIES DECIDED TO SUBSTITUTE EATING ONE VEGAN MEAL A WEEK IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT TO TAKING OFF 600,000,000 CARS OFF THE ROAD FOREVER


So, one a week, six hundred million, right?

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IF JUST AMERICAN FAMILIES DECIDED TO SUBSTITUTE EATING ONE VEGAN MEAL A MONTH IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF TAKING OF 7,000,000 CARS OFF THE ROAD FOREVER!



So, one a month, seven million, right?




there's 4 weeks in a month, seven million times 4, twenty eight million, you're math is off, by about 95.333%  (100-((28,000,000/600,000,000)*100)=95.33%






IF YOU LISTEN TO VEGANS AND THEIR CRAZY SHIT YOU"RE MATH SKILLS WILL DROP BY EXACTLY 95.3333%!!!! <--- see I can make shit seem real too based on nothing!
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Illadelph215 on March 22, 2016, 05:35:05 PM
Both my grandparents are milk addicts (among other things whiskey/wine) and they are 94 and 89. Just saying. Don't trust everyone you talk to and fact check if your that interested. http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/is-milk-healthy
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Zoops on March 22, 2016, 08:17:53 PM
I call bravo sierra on this too, Griffin. You're not an idiot who I would say is likely to swallow any old load of horseshit type of guy. I'm surprised that you bit on this pinko commie lib crap that this lady was feeding you.

Sad to see that the American educational establishment is still enamored with any form of leftism it can find, and requires students to bathe in it. I think it's irresponsible for the teacher of that class to give a forum for such radical views without some counterpoint.

It IS true that larg-scale industrial animal foods production is cruel to animals, but it is also true that eating meat has always been part of the human experience. As proto-humans, we ate meat, and we still have a taste for it. Meat and animal food products, like milk, can and are produced in humane ways. That meat-eating is cruel is neither here nor there, really.

You say that every American should be required to have one vegan meal a week. How about if you want to eat meat, you have to watch the animal being slaughtered? Or better yet, you have to participate in the slaughter? At least once? That would make a lot more vegetarians, and would be a hell of a lot more useful than some out-of-nowhere rule that everyone should eat one vegan meal a week. 

The views you express about milk are laughable. A syringefull (you don't say how big the syringe is, and I've seen barrels of 100ml size before) of pus AND feces in every glass of milk (8oz.)? Does that mean a syringe full each of pus and feces or mixed? If mixed, in what proportion then? If this is true then why is my milk still white as snow? If it had like even 1ml  of FECES in it, I'm sure it wouldn't be stark white.

And a glass of milk = 27 showers? WTF? Where are you getting these numbers? What amount of water constitutes one "shower" worth anyway. I didn't know that was a standard unit of measurement.

I posted some other stuff in defense of milk-drinking in my thread titled "Do You Want To Be Alive?" I won't reproduce that in its entirety here. Suffice it to say, though, that milk-drinking is firmly entrenched in human culture, and the mutation that allows humans to consume milk into adulthood- continuing to express teh enzyme lactase past infancy, was evolutionarily advantageous in many ways. There was a reason for it to be passed on to future generations.

You can't post stuff like this and not expect the bullshit detectors of this very sceptical, intelligent and discerning bunch to not go off full blast.

I still love you though, Griffin.

Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: MoeMentim on March 22, 2016, 10:31:56 PM
I was a vegan for a few years in the early 90's & vegi for a year before that.  Cruelty & factory farming were my motivation.  A few things happened together that made my switch back - my little sister (also vegan) got pretty ill, basically "chronic fatigue/candida(sp?)"  She went through tons of docs until a holistic guy put her on diet (among other treatments) that included dairy & meat, she got better & never looked back.  That got me thinking.  Then I caught my long-time girlfriend cheating on me, it hit me pretty hard & I basically said "fuck all" to trying to be a moral person on any level.  I was angry as shit at the world & felt like eating dead critters if I wasn't allowed to kill and eat humans.  Also, my Italian grandmother died unexpectedly.  My veganism always caused her grief (Italian grandmother love = feed you traditional dago fare, as much as you can take).  It  did cause her actual concern, I was skinny.  Bless her heart, she always made a separate batch of meatless sauce & something vegan for me & sis.  Anyhow, when she went she had a freezer full of home made raviolli & such.  No fucking way was I going to let the last of what she made pass by my plate.  The next meat I ate was an In-N-Out Burger.  I puked it up in the parking lot but still felt good, like I'd somehow made a real mental break from the girl (who also was vegan).  A pint of Ben & Jerry's & my fate was sealed. 

  This is like 20 years later - The (last) rehab I went to is a working farm & I got put on the beef cattle crew.  It was really fun & challenging to get them to trust me, they're skittish as hell.  I'd go as close as they'd let me then I'd sit down & wait for their curiosity to overcome them.  A few (always the same ones - numbered ear tags) would come around first, then the others would slowly follow until I was encircled.  Then the game, for me, was trying not to get covered in cow spit/snot without making any quick moves & scaring them off.  Once they're close enough to all they want to do is lick and sniff.  They're not at all smart, but they are very endearing.  Favorite memory was watching a few of 'em give birth.  It's a pretty quick & efficient process.  Anyhow, food animals CAN be raised with love and respect, the only reason factory farms continue to be horrific is because the general population is totally removed from it.  If people knew the reality meat sales would absolutely suffer and farms that care would prosper. 

Not sure what this reply adds to the thread, I've got no agenda, just some experience I guess.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: dizzle on March 22, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
I just wanted to say I ain't mad at ya griffin and I still love ya
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Anti-hero on March 22, 2016, 11:06:43 PM
I will eat fish and Bird.
Won't eat pack animals.
The meat section at the store
Makes me sick to my stomach.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: relic1981 on March 23, 2016, 02:19:38 AM
i am a light meat eater. i eat meat, usually chicken or beef about once a week. lots of quinoia, carrots, salads, and healthy choices. i have a 16 month old son and he is my world. i try and make the most nutrient dense food for him and myself (whatever im eating he wants it, lol)
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: 10kites on March 23, 2016, 04:35:03 AM
@Griffin, your vegan diet evidently allows Kool-Aid, huh?
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Roman Totale on March 23, 2016, 04:58:44 AM
Ugh, everyone knows us opiate addicts don't go for water, high or sober.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Zoops on March 23, 2016, 11:51:46 AM
Griffin, I see that you haven't logged in since yesterday shortly after you posted this thread. When you see all these negative responses, please don't think we're tying to put you on blast and shine on you for no reason. It's just that the claims you're making are a bit over-the-top, and we (or least myself) don't swallow any old load of malarkey. Anyone with critical thinking skills can see through these claims you're making.

You are a valuable member of this community. I still want you here, so I hope you don't get discouraged.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Lolleedee on March 23, 2016, 12:24:43 PM
If we aren't supposed to eat animals then why the hell are they made out of meat????
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Taytoechip on March 23, 2016, 01:34:02 PM
I'm just here to comment on milk,
my old ladys father is completely and udderly (Y U NO LAFF!?) addicted to drinking milk. I guess addicted isnt the best word. But yeah, milk is pretty much the only thing he drinks. like a gallon a day, not exaggerating.
 
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: DeadCat on March 23, 2016, 03:12:50 PM
I hae not identified yself s vegetrian or bean. However, if gen a choice I decline the meat. If anyone asks I gie them the starndard answer; "Do you mind if I eat your dog"

The crulety involved in factory farming, the ineficient use of grain, the water pollution, the air pollution, the out-sized demand for trucking nd many other resons has the eonomist understnding that it is not  long-trm viable lifestyle.So, I just onou tBUY meat.

Do I think their is something truyly WRONG about eating animals, no If they were raised with indiness and killed quietly and efficiently an painlessly, I could see myself atin (red meat) again,like is (as is now heading) meat was grown in a test-tube minus a CNS and fear.

I am sure it won't be cheap, but cool.


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Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Esoteric Anhydride on March 23, 2016, 04:02:43 PM
I only eat Vegans.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Taytoechip on March 23, 2016, 04:49:50 PM
I'm back for another comment regarding milk.
Mostly this

"we are the only species that drinks another species breast milk and were are the only species who drinks another species breast milk after we are babies."

Not to insult you or anything like that for saying it, as i've actually heard very similar statements a few times before. But i dont think this statement really counts for anything. In a way, yeah its true. Now i may be wrong, but what other species has the knowhow and the means to acquire said milk from another species for consumption? I mean my cat fucking loves milk. But if i set him loose on a farm with 14 milk moomoos Steve is not having any milk for breakfast. Aside from giving the cow the ol Bill Cosby Colada i guess. But what could only be described as "Cow rape" is not only frowned up, but highly illegal.. probably.

We're also the only species to drink vanilla almond milk too ya know. 

edit* Yeah my cats name is steve, dont judge me. 
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Pullmyhair. on March 23, 2016, 08:48:59 PM
I don't know about Griffin's numbers, but the production of dairy and beef products (factory farmed or not) is one of, if the largest cause of greenhouse gasses and water consumption in the US. I know people who are adamant about eating a lot of meat and dairy products like to deny this fact, and are also likely to not believe that global warming exists and is accelerated by pollution, but it's true. The amount of wage it takes to produce one pound of meat is gargantuan (like 1000's of gallons per pound). I don't have the numbers in front of me, and I don't think factoids about equivalences to cars on the road are probably accurately measurable, but they're not hard to find (though the meat and dairy industries do their best to hide/down play just how much pollution they cause). I'm not going to comment on whether or not eating meat or dairy is healthy, though I think eating meat for every meal is insane. Also, there is no humane way to slaughter animals, sure some ways are faster than others, but the animal will always suffer to some extent (if you disagree, think about how you'd feel going through any of these 'humane' methods of slaughter), if you're okay with that, fair enough (though I do find the whole 'animals exist for our benefit' mentality that a lot of people have to be appalling).
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Zoops on March 23, 2016, 09:35:30 PM
I thought you said it was appealing! Had to reread that a couple times because it didn't make sense.

True, cow farts and termites are the two biggest sources of greenhouse gases (methane in this case) on the planet. Another HUGE source of methane is termites.

Also true, and most people are completely ignorant of this fact, is that producing meat (whether chicken, fish, or beef) is much more energy-intensive than producing food from agricultural sources.

It's really sad how fucking DUMB the average schmoe walking the streets is these days. Many couldn't tell you where Africa is on a global map, for instance. Or what's the square root of 9. And they laugh about it.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: cpwhyme on March 23, 2016, 10:24:06 PM

Also true, and most people are completely ignorant of this fact, is that producing meat (whether chicken, fish, or beef) is much more energy-intensive than producing food from agricultural sources.

It's really sad how fucking DUMB the average schmoe walking the streets is these days. Many couldn't tell you where Africa is on a global map, for instance. Or what's the square root of 9. And they laugh about it.

.....and some may say ignorance is bliss. In the case of learning about large scale food production I might sort of agree, or loose my appetite.

There is one saying that always sticks in my head, you are what you eat. So I just try to keep a balanced diet, as much as possible or the budget will allow, and just be thankful or grateful for the food I eat.

Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: nick on March 24, 2016, 02:01:16 PM
Omnivore(as my waistline attests). I eat meat and feel guilty about it-much more guilty than I do about doing dope.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Griffin on March 24, 2016, 02:58:21 PM
That is my bad on not posting the sources, I thought I did. I wouldn't say I am pumped free of saving all the animals, I am just hoping people hear what I heard as far as how easily change can be obtained and we can still all eat meat, quite a bit of it, without ruining the planet. Here a lot of the citations for some of the stuff I said, some of my quotes were wrong and were going off memory and my post came off as preachy and for that I am sorry, I was a little benzo high and shocked at the time.

I just was trying to see what the communities views were on this subject and if anyone knew about this or thought it was true or just sensationalist nonsense that didn't represent the truth. If you did know about this kind of stuff before or found out any new info from my posts(now that you have the sources) did it change your eating habits or opinions on anything learning about stuff like that.

Here is the actual presentation by a different person
http://www.ffacoalition.org/featured_media

http://www.ffacoalition.org/
http://www.ffacoalition.org/citations (citations from presentation at school)

https://hbr.org/2011/06/local-food-or-less-meat-data-t.html

https://books.google.com/books?id=oIdv6zh-UXQC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=earth+talk+260+million+acres+forest&source=bl&ots=lZM2dCXruG&sig=-ogrldHj-qWcTSviMMHuHQgahJo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAmoVChMIopmIlvOVxgIVCimICh0KuAQ6#v=onepage&q=earth%20talk%20260%20million%20acres%20forest&f=false (deforestation rain forest destruction etc)

http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/migratory-fish.html#cr  (95% decrease of some fish species in atlantic)
http://www.fishnavy.com/image/20-lbs-of-bycatch-per-pound-of-shrimp/

http://www.farmsanctuary.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Truth-Behind-Humane-FINAL-4-21-09.pdf (info about free range, cage free, Bottom Page)

http://www.ffacoalition.org/drought_got_you_down

https://www.google.com/search?q=eating+vegan+once+a+week+takes+cars+off+the+road&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=652&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVoofUq9fLAhUEQiYKHcO1AWgQ_AUICSgE#imgdii=fz7kbo8ZsTSkfM%3A%3Bfz7kbo8ZsTSkfM%3A%3BKOObr5EmC1UoPM%3A&imgrc=fz7kbo8ZsTSkfM%3A


I think my numbers were way off about the cars off the road. Meatless Monday's is the campaign to eat vegan based food once a week would be the same as taking off 240 million cars off the road according to this site. Sorry I could of swore she said different heres a different stat

http://www.ewg.org/meateatersguide/a-meat-eaters-guide-to-climate-change-health-what-you-eat-matters/reducing-your-footprint/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/the-breathtaking-effects_b_181716.html

•If everyone in the U.S. ate no meat or cheese just 1 day a week for a year, it’s like not driving 91 billion miles - or taking 7.6 million cars off the road. (source: Environmental Working Group) http://www.go-eo.org/GoEO/Eat_Less_Meat.html

The numbers are kind of all over the place, my reason for this post wasn't to go on a tirade that every should be vegan, and accuse you guys of killing baby cows in your spare time. I just wanted to see how many people on here were vegan and if anyone had heard some of that stats that I heard in the presentation because they are shocking. I don't watch docs on that stuff because I can't take the pics and videos of graphic stuff like slaughtering animals but there was none of that in here presentation.

I think eating meat is good, but I think it'd be nice if we ate less, and used way less dairy products to make the planet healthier. 1950 levels of meat consumption were good, and if you increased for population it'd be fine, but everything about the dairy industry, water usage, and insane amounts of pollution from factory farming were shocking to me and I was wondering if more people knew about it, and if so did there diet change because of it.

Sorry for coming off as preachy, its annoying. I had no idea about how big the problem is, and how easy it could be helped with very little change, like eating less meat once a month or less than that. Just the pollution it causes made me question a lot of why, and how that is possible and if you guys think this is just a lot of sensationalist stats that don't represent the truth or if you think it is a problem at all. I definitely don't want everyone to come vegan I just wanted to spread the info I heard because I found it shocking and interesting.

I don't think everyone should become pachouli wearing vegans who pour blood on meat eaters, and go off on how much better being vegan is than everything else because that shit is annoying and is the reason why most people don't like vegan people. Some of them come off holier than thou and always ranting and annoyingly biased and opinionated when talking about it trying to convert everyone and that was not what I was trying to do. I was just truly amazed... amazed enough to put a paragraph in caps! lol plus I was on benzos so that makes me preachy.

Hope you guys learn something about it that you didn't know and don't get annoyed by my post,
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Griffin on March 24, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
No worries about the negative comments I was just traveling yesterday, was at the airport from 630 until i got on a plane at 140, i missed my first flight because of security being an hour long because of the Belgium thing and spring break. I still feel the love, and I think a lot of you are right i was on a lot of benzos that day and bit pretty hard, the girl was really pretty she could of sold me diet water.  I just think that some of it is shocking and should be known like the water consumption, and pollution.

I still eat meat and will, and think everyone should, I never drank milk but I am still convinced right now that it is bad for you. It has always been disgusting to me I just envision sucking on a cow tit when looking at the stuff. (still love ice cream, and would happy top my ice cream with more cow tit milk because it is delicious am curious to find if there is a better ice cream that doesn't involve any cow titties)

A lot of my numbers were wrong I was quoting from benzo memory but none the less the numbers and pollution are astronomical and it would be a good thing to lower the amount of pollution and I think less animal cruelty would happen if less meat was being ate. I just hope we eat a bit less meat like around 1950s rates.

Huge corporations can be bad for just about everything, and factory farms seem to be awful in many ways and I wish we had more family farms, I grew up on one and lived near about 10. Over 500,000 family owned pig farms have been shut down mostly because of factory farms. Johnson, Nathaneal. "The Making of the Modern Pig." Harper's Magazine May 2006: n. (cited in Foer 158). I think stuff like that is worse than animal cruelty but I can't stand seeing animals being tortured, but I am always going to eat meat, but I am going to try to not help the factory farms at all and not buy from them. Anyway airports suck.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Zoops on March 24, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: puppy on March 24, 2016, 04:43:59 PM
       I've been thinking about this...I don't eat much meat at all...more fish than anything and then not much...but I do eat cheese...alot...I read somewhere that you actually become addicted to it...but I can't recall where...I think I was looking at a paleo diet website...so not sure how true that maybe...
       I've done work at a processing plant that butchered pigs...I don't find baloney palatable anymore...
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Taytoechip on March 24, 2016, 06:08:55 PM
You know broccoli be screamin when you're pullin them roots
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: puppy on March 24, 2016, 06:58:26 PM
You know broccoli be screamin when you're pullin them roots


Or one could go the route of Sungazing and Breatharianism...lol...sigh...
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Jega on March 24, 2016, 08:52:47 PM
I eat food. Why? Because I have that food. I don't have a  lot of choices usually. So...Food good.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Narkotikon on March 25, 2016, 01:54:15 AM
Poultry, beef, fish, seafood, crispy bacon, very well-done and browned sausages (that's it for pork).

I eat meat.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Reezy on March 27, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
@Pullmyhair. a bullet to the head is pretty humane I would say. Now, I've seen videos, where they do do way worse methods so I'm not saying every animal is shot in the head with no suffering. Its more suffering for humans to be shot in the head because they know whats coming..

Anyways, My dad is an avid hunter, I hunt also with him at times, but not as "into" it as him. All the animals he shoots we eat. Or catch, in the case of fish. Deer meat is actually really healthy because it is very lean/low fat naturally, you have to actually add fat to it, in order to make it more "flavorful". Still tastes good, but its like this, If you used to eating chuck meat with 20-25% fat and you go to a meat with 1-2% fat, you will prefer the fattier one... Unless you are TRYING to eat healthy.... I like tasty foods, but just don't eat a big portion. Really, latley ive been trying to eat only when hungry, and only enough to partly satisfy me for the time being. Look at it more as a fuel.

Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Pullmyhair. on March 28, 2016, 02:06:52 AM
@Pullmyhair. a bullet to the head is pretty humane I would say. Now, I've seen videos, where they do do way worse methods so I'm not saying every animal is shot in the head with no suffering. Its more suffering for humans to be shot in the head because they know whats coming..

Anyways, My dad is an avid hunter, I hunt also with him at times, but not as "into" it as him. All the animals he shoots we eat. Or catch, in the case of fish. Deer meat is actually really healthy because it is very lean/low fat naturally, you have to actually add fat to it, in order to make it more "flavorful". Still tastes good, but its like this, If you used to eating chuck meat with 20-25% fat and you go to a meat with 1-2% fat, you will prefer the fattier one... Unless you are TRYING to eat healthy.... I like tasty foods, but just don't eat a big portion. Really, latley ive been trying to eat only when hungry, and only enough to partly satisfy me for the time being. Look at it more as a fuel.

I grew up eating venison, like a lot of it, I can't stand it these days. I do eat meat, though probably only a couple times a week (and I never cook or buy meat, I only eat it when I'm a guest at someone else's dinner table, not that that matters, I'm still eating it). I still disagree that there's a humane way to slaughter animals. Sure, some methods are maybe more humane than others, or faster, but no matter the method, you're still violently ending the life of another living being. I think eating meat and meat products is less and less necessary these days, though some people are very stubborn about insisting on eating it. I don't think eating it because it tastes good passes the test as far as being an ethical reason to eat meat, it doesn't justify it, it's an incredibly selfish and self-absorbed way to view the world. If you honestly depend on meat to survive because you have no other options, fair enough, but 90% of the western world wouldn't fall into that category.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Zoops on March 30, 2016, 07:34:04 AM
Sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast! Good.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Zoops on March 30, 2016, 09:23:35 AM
I need to admit to everyone here that I've been on a sweetened condensed milk kick lately. That stuff is sooooo fucking good! You can spoon it right out of the can. It's delicious. Put some on toast = heaven! And in coffee, with a little bit of regular milk added, it can't be beat.

(only downside is that it looks a lot like jizz though LOL I can't stop thinking that while I'm eating it)
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Guts on March 31, 2016, 11:53:27 PM
I've been looking for that marshmallow toast spread everywhere. I want to try it so bad... no store here carries it... it must be an up north thing or something. I might have to order it online. I got this marshmallow like sauce stuff...like chocolate sauce but marshmallows... was not the same! At least I hope...
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Reezy on April 01, 2016, 12:21:21 AM
I just got called a junkie deleted and blocked by this psycopathic vegan chick. We used to be cool, I guess before the mental illness creeped I. In the years I haven't talked to her. Keep in mind, she is in college to be an engineer this is not a dumb girl.

Well she posts something comparing like 100 calories of brocolli to 100 calories of steak... Saying the same amount of calories has more protein in the vegan food. Well I've seen this arguement before and was prepared. So I just made it known, I agree it's true, but it's still nonsense. In order for the comparison to work you would have to eat like 8 fucking cups of brocolli. Posting an article that breaks it down to cold hard facts. I get a reply "it's only one source, probably bias" I then go on to explain density volume weight, ect.(because the other part was comparing 100grams of steak to 100grams of beans) she flips the fuck out, says this conversation is damaging her character, damaging her fucking character, calls me a "thrower" and a low life junkie fuckup. I Figured out what she meant by thrower when she said I post and throw off the topic. Which obviously doesn't happen because I always stay on topic. She then blocks or deletes me on snapchat and Facebook lmfao. I found it funny how she had to resort to calling me a junkie, I'm used to it, but it pissed me off, because I didn't even really get to defend my self and make her feel lower than dirt for saying that. I'm generally nice, but you really go below the belt, the gloves come off

Jesus Christ, when these kids get out of college and the cold hard real world hits them, I'm getting rich, because I'm going to start investing in anti-psychotic medication stocks... Cuz they gonna need em. I'm worried about my generation, and not to make it really political, but why are all these fucking looney tunes leftists? And such hypocrites. This girl was so sweet when I knew her years ago, but just talking to her tonight, she truly is a scwrewed vile ignorant c@@@ deep down inside under the "peace love" bullshit she acts like on the outside.


Sorry woman of the board, I do respect y'all, I censored the word, but in this case she deserves the slur. If it's offensive I will change it.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Guts on April 01, 2016, 12:46:46 AM
Why is cunt seen as sooooo offensive? I never got that.... I don't really even know which part of the vagina it is. Vaginas are complicated...
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Zoops on April 01, 2016, 11:45:58 AM
Totally hear you on the worried about kids today when they grow up thing, Reezy. I see lots of kids around these days, and many of them are frankly obese, at less than 10 years old. And they are complete crybabies too. I thought I was bad when I was a kid, they make me look like the kid of the year!

That chick sounds pretty unhinged. I like that expression, "unhinged."

But yeah, 100 calories of broccoli has much less protein in it than 100 calories of steak. That's just a fact. To get the same amound of protein that's contained in 100 calories worth of broccoli, you'd need to eat probably 1000 calories worth.  I don't know what that would be in actual mass, as in grams of broccoli, but it would be a lot. Broccoli is NOT a high-protein food.

Well, off to work for me now.

See y'all around 5pm.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: Reezy on April 01, 2016, 08:01:11 PM
http://eathropology.com/2013/04/08/broccoli-has-more-protein-than-steak-and-other-crap/

This is what made her flip when I posted it.
Title: Re: Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that
Post by: hanna on April 08, 2016, 11:38:08 PM
If the Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't want us to eat animals it wouldn't have made them so tasty, that and it would have given us more than a single stomach like other ruminants.

There was a time the only meat in our family was that which we brought down, gutted and prepared ourselves, either hunting or what we raised when we lived rural.

I have a problem with people who kill animals and discard the edible parts.
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