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Core Topics => Opiates & Opioids => Drugs => Methadone and Buprenorphine Maintenance => Topic started by: Griffin on December 17, 2015, 02:10:46 PM
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Yesterday I was having very vivid hallucinations. I would be talking to someone and I would look away and when I looked back they were gone and I would stop talking out loud and wonder what just happened. I accidentally took my take home meds for today yesterday. I don't remember doing it, I just remember I woke up at 10 last night thinking it was morning and started looking it for it and couldn't find it. I found the empty bottle when I keep it.
I was seeing things that weren't there, talking out loud to people who weren't there. I fell asleep twice yesterday and woke up thinking it was today. I am going through an immense amount of stress. This has never happened before though. I would realize that it was a hallucination after I would look back and see who I was talking out loud to was gone. I was seeing a bunch of different things as well, and had no concept of time. I would constantly forget what I was doing.
Has anyone had anything like this happen to you? I am wondering if it is because I am so stressed out, or maybe I am becoming schizophrenic. I was thinking it could be happening because I took both doses yesterday, but I don't even remember taking the second one. I was looking everywhere for it and found the bottle with todays date on it where I keep all my empty bottles.
I can't talk to my MMT counselor about it because he will take away all my take homes and I can't get them back. I would have to tell him everything besides taking the extra dose. I don't have any idea what is going on. Yesterday seemed like one big scary lucid dream that was extremely vivid. It was happening constantly and the person I was talking to would be gone and I would be talking out loud to myself.
It hasn't happened yet today but I have only been awake for less than an hour. It reminds me of an extremely vivid nightmare that I had the first time I took the blood pressure medicine bystolic last year. In the dream I couldn't speak my thoughts and had no control over what I was saying and everyone I tried to explain it to thought I was crazy and took me to a mental hospital. The whole dream felt so real and scary. I couldn't explain what I was happening and was forced to goto a mental institution.
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What other meds are you on aside from methadone?
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I took some flexeril the night before yesterday and lots of nicotine. I will take aleve sometimes and 100mg of caffeine sometimes at work but don't think I have taken them in the last week.
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If this happens again, you should really talk to a doc. IMO your meds aren't likely to cause something like this but I'm no doctor. Sometimes people have strange allergies, but I'd guess it's probably rare for an allergy to cause hallucinations.
Keep us posted..
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Did you toy around with Hallucinagenics as a youth???
I've done a lot of Magic Mushrooms, Acid (Black Pyramids/Gel Tabs/Liquid L) Ecstasy/DMT etc.
And I've had a few "flashbacks" that took me places for a moment or two... I see shit like right angles (like the corner of a doorway) seem like they're flapping in the wind. Kinda like a flag in the wind would.
But never have I been on an ALL DAY LONG TRIP OUT...
Heavy use of Amphetamines and the like can cause psychosis... You use them a lot/or ever have you?
Otherwise, I'd be majorly concerned if I was you.
Shit ain't normal dude.
But it sounds kinda fun.... Kinda.
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I am hoping it was a one time thing. I have taken everything before a lot but have never had that happen. It was really weird I would be talking to someone and then I would look over and see they were gone and realize I was talking to myself out loud. It was kind of like a vivid lucid dream.
It may have been the done, I haven't double dosed sense I got arrested in march and I just went up on my dose. So maybe it was from double dosing and having the flexeril in my system, and lack of sleep. I can't remember a lot of what happened yesterday, It is all a little foggy, but I remember a lot of the hallucinations.
I can't believe I took my take home for today yesterday. I woke up at like 9pm last night thinking it was today and went to take my dose and it wasn't were I kept it. I spent a good 30 minutes to find it before I realized. I don't remember taking it at all, and if I did I probably woke up thought it was today and then took it and went back to sleep before waking up at 9 last night and realizing it was gone.
It was a crazy feeling knowing I had just been talking to something I had hallucinated. I remember a few of them, I was also seeing things that weren't there besides people. I would be looking at someone talking to them and I would turn my head or blink and they would be gone. I just hope this isn't some type of schizophrenia or anything like that.
My guess is it was a mix of everything, double dosing, I could of done that with the flexeril too, lack of sleep, a TON of stress, mixed in with my crazy brain. It definitely was scary. I don't want to be the kind of person who develops schizophrenia or something like the guy from a beautiful mind.
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I have only done mushrooms once and extasy a few times about 6-7 years ago. I have only done coke a few times and adderal a few times a few years ago. I was tripping the whole day, it seemed like I was tripping on the way to the clinic that morning. I remember when I was driving twice I saw something that wasn't there, once when I was trying to turn and just something out of the corner of my eye.
If it continues I will have to figure out what happened, I felt strange all day yesterday like how you feel the morning if you havent slept all day. My mind was really foggy, and slow, and the hallucinations I had a lot of them were a lot like lucid dreams, they would come out of no where and all of sudden I would pop back in to reality and realize I am at a completely different place alone and talking out loud to myself.
I knew it wasn't real when i would pop back to reality but I have no idea how long I was in another world all by myself. It is kind of like how they explain dreams on the movie inception where you don't realize how you got there and outside things can trigger it and manifest itself into something else.
The amount of stress I am going through is extreme right now I am starting to wonder if that was my brains way of telling me to stop worrying so much. I don't know it was scary and very real.
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You're on a pretty high dose, right?
Did you feel loaded? Like itchy, noddy, euphoric?
If you felt loaded, maybe the flexeril potentiated the double dose, especially if it's a really high dose but you're stable on it - sometimes if I'm really high I'll have these like half-awake dreams and blurt out random shit, but I FEEL loaded when I'm like that, it's never a mystery to me about what causes it.
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Thats crazy... I'd be worried also.
Does any mental illness run in the family?
I also remember when I was on a PCA after my first surgery... I was getting oral meds every 4 hours (percocet and ativan) and Dilaudid every 15 mins at .6 mg a push.
After a few days of push push pushing. I started doing that thing you're talking about. Talking to people who weren't there. It was a VERY frequent event.
And I was in for over a month. So, I'm thinking that maybe you were really fucking high from double dosing, I guess. Plus lack of restful sleep and stress.
But still.... Damn.
I'd wanna see a doc personally, if it happened again.
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the only free hallucinations I experienced were visual migraines (no headache).
whilst probably not the reason for yours, I just wanted to let you know that you're not going mad and strange things indeed do happen and they are medically accountable.
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No hallucinations today so thats good, but for some reason I have had extreme cotton mouth(dry mouth). I drink a lot of water, thats all I drink. I probably drink a gallon a day but these past few days I have probably drank 2 gallons a day. Drinking more water doesn't really help. All it does is makes so I can talk and keep my tongue from sticking to the roof of my mouth for a few seconds but within a minute or 2 and the whole inside of my mouth feels like hard sand again.
I think having dry mouth might be attributed to my diet and don't think right now they are related but they could be. I have been eating pretty much nothing but candy for 3 weeks in a row. The closest I have come to real food is pizza and pasta. It is horrible it feels like I just ran 12 miles through the sahara desert without water. Nothing changes it if I eat fruit the best I have done is 5 minutes before it gets to the state where it feels like dried up dog shit.
Anyone know what the dry mouth could be from or ways to fix it? I am beginning to think that my hypochondriac diagnosis that I gave myself of having parkinsons disease is getting worse. I am having trouble walking now especially stairs because my legs shake so much when I try to hold them somewhere. Like when I am writing or trying to hold my hand in a stable position I'll either lose control of it in a big twitch and drop it or continue writing like a 5 year old writing with his off hand.
My whole body is like that and when I try to hold something in one shape or position it freaks out and does its own thing. I have been getting much more extreme body tremors I have like 10 a day where my whole body twitches really hard. I figured that everybody gets those every now and then like I did and now they happen all the time especially if I'm laying down.
I always drop things and my hands are noticeably shaky always, eating food with a spoon like cereal is near impossible it is like a mean ass joke from god. Google made an instrument that helps people with parkinsons or other diseases that cause extreme shaking. It is a spoon that when you are holding it, it senses how much you are shaking to hold the spoon still. I definitely need one
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medications, coffee, cigarettes and alcohol etc. all cause a dry mouth.
my best remedy for dry mouth is ... yep, good old low-tech WATER !
regarding your tremor, i urge you to see a doctor.
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Yeah I have been drinking a lot of water, the dry mouth seems to be getting better i only get it if I haven't had a drink in over 30 minutes. I have had shakes and tremors all my life they just have gotten worse over the past few years. When I first started taking opiates in made them better but now it seems worse than ever. It is noticeable now, I may ask my doctor next time I see him and see if there is anything I can do for it.
No hallucinations all day yesterday which is good, hopefully that never happens again because it was making feel crazy. My dose is at 90 now. I went up from 60 2 weeks ago so by taking that extra dose on Tuesday it was like taking 3 doses compared to my dose 2 weeks ago. I went up because I was having a lot more cravings and my neck started hurting again I have no cartilage between my c5-c7 so its like bone on bone when I turn my head and it feels like I got whacked with a baseball bat on the right side of my neck.
Thanks for all the support I really appreciate it.
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I have had mild hallucinations on massive doses of methadone. It's not the sort of vivid visual tripping out we think of as hallucinations. It's usually more confusion about things. Often I will do something strange, but for me it seems very clear and logical. Taking something somewhere for example. My wife will ask me what I'm doing, and I try to explain it. As I say it I realize it is nonsense. When I'm in the middle of doing it on the other hand it feels totally ratioal, and often I have conversations with hallucinated figures that explain why and what.
It's hard to explain. It is pretty low level really. I don't know how to adequately explain it.
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As for advice on how to squash that dry mouth......
There is this Mouthwash you can get OTC called 'BioTene' or 'BioTine' (sp?) Bio-teen is the pronunciation.
Works great. I used it while I was on speed a lot. Dry mouth causes tooth decay or speeds up the process for sure.
I'd recommend it to anyone with a dry mouth hole.
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I swear by the stuff, but it doesn't last very long and you've gotta rinse repeat all day. Without it tho my mouth would be all sorts of messed up, I had to get implants and several rounds of periodontal work from throwing up acid and excessive dry mouth
Biotene saves the day
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Just wanted to mention something here. I have also had these "full body twitches" or something. It always happens when I'm hitting the opiates really hard. I'll jerk really hard as I'm about to nod out, to the point where I used to scare my kid if she was laying with me. Used to think maybe my breathing was depressed and my body was jerking me to attention...idk. But that never really explained when they would happen when I was totally awake. I would twitch so hard that I would hurl things in my hands across the room and such.
As you can imagine, these twitches can be inconvenient. The absolute worst is that more than once, when fixing up, I would end up slinging the liquid contents of my spoon out. I'm not ashamed to admit that a tear came to my eye over these losses.
To the OP, don't know about the hallucinations... As others have said it may have been that you were just THAT HIGH with the double dose, extra half life increase and drug combo. If you're fine now I wouldn't stress too much UNLESS it happens again. Then make sure to get checked.
Anyway just wanted to express a tiny bit of understanding for your situation. Sincerely hope you are feeling much better. Kat
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Maybe I should re-read your original post, but did you say that this happened after you took the double dose of methadone or before? I've definitely been nodding so hard I've been in a waking dream-type state, sleeping with my eyes open, reaching for stuff that isn't there, and even talking to someone once. When this happens, I will come to as soon as I reach for the thing that isn't there and did when I said "yeah," to the person who I was dreaming about.
If that's what you experienced, I wouldn't call it a hallucination, even though I was "seeing" stuff and had my eyes open, but I was dreaming, and was "seeing" that stuff in my head, not with my eyes, if that makes any sense. It's like the sensory input from my eyes is turned off and I'm dreaming with my eyes open, basically unconscious from opiates. (so not really a "waking dream" either?) This has been on heroin a couple times, but mostly on PST. I imagine it could easily occur with a high dose of methadone too, as I've nodded out before on that stuff.
So IDK. That's pretty frickin weird, man.
You sure you're not blowing smoke up our collective ass? Like it was really minor and hardly anything, like you saw the wall "breathe" for a second or a pattern on the floor (which happens to me often), and you inflated it to "I'm tripping balls for no reason," just to sound like you're waaaaay out there? I can see someone doing something like that.
Please forgive me if I offend. It's not my intention.
OBTW, Kat, your avatar is really keen. I like it.
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As you can imagine, these twitches can be inconvenient. The absolute worst is that more than once, when fixing up, I would end up slinging the liquid contents of my spoon out. I'm not ashamed to admit that a tear came to my eye over these losses.
I remember doing this 3 times in my life, once was when I had just broke down an ounce of weed on a plate and threw it all of the floor which was carpet. Another time I had my cooker full and basically just threw it out it kinda was like when you are acting like you accidentally are throwing something on someone but it was no accident. I have lost a full sharp in the floor like a dart, I am just glad it didn't stick in my foot or something.
I think you guys are right and that it must of been from the double dose. I remember it happening when I was making food, but the rest of it could of been me in a dream like state where I was conscious. I get sleep paralysis all the time and that fucking sucks I actually had it last night and it wasn't that.
I assume that I went to sleep when I came home after dosing and getting my take home and then when I woke up I thought it was the next day and took my take home dose. I don't know why I would do that, I remember thinking that my dose at the clinic tasted like it had a lot more done this usual in it. It was noticeably more cherry cough syrup flavored compared to all of my other doses.
It just seemed like I wasn't laying down in the lucid dreaming state it always seemed like I was standing talking to someone and when I turned away and looked back they went away and had to happened like 5 times. It hasn't happened again so I am going to chalk it up to me being super high in nodland dreaming and scheming though out the day.
When I woke up that night my I was pissed because I couldn't find my take home. I looked everywhere with no luck and then I saw the bottle with the date and looked at my phone and felt like my inner clock was all fucked up. I don't know it was more likely than not me being super high unintentionally. Thanks for all the help in sorting my madness.
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I think having dry mouth might be attributed to my diet and don't think right now they are related but they could be. I have been eating pretty much nothing but candy for 3 weeks in a row. The closest I have come to real food is pizza and pasta.
Your diet probably has a lot to do with this. Eating nothing but sugar and carbs (plus smoking) is a sure way to get diabetes. BTW, symptoms of diabetes include dry mouth, feeling thirsty, fatigue and blurred vision. Not saying you have it, but if your blood sugar levels are way elevated, you might be getting some of the symptoms. Start eating fresh vegetables immediately and get your blood checked.
I'm also on MMT and I've never had hallucinations like you describe.
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Just wanted to mention something here. I have also had these "full body twitches" or something. It always happens when I'm hitting the opiates really hard. I'll jerk really hard as I'm about to nod out, to the point where I used to scare my kid if she was laying with me. Used to think maybe my breathing was depressed and my body was jerking me to attention...idk. But that never really explained when they would happen when I was totally awake. I would twitch so hard that I would hurl things in my hands across the room and such.
Hey kat: I also get twitches like that, they increase in frequency and strength when I'm laying down and relaxed. I'll twitch a few times every minute and they are like hard, quick jerks. I have epilepsy, so I thought it was related to that, but maybe it's just the methadone.
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Your diet probably has a lot to do with this. Eating nothing but sugar and carbs (plus smoking) is a sure way to get diabetes. BTW, symptoms of diabetes include dry mouth, feeling thirsty, fatigue and blurred vision. Not saying you have it, but if your blood sugar levels are way elevated, you might be getting some of the symptoms. Start eating fresh vegetables immediately and get your blood checked.
I'm also on MMT and I've never had hallucinations like you describe.
Although this is good advice
Let's not forget that
Methadone like most all opiates
Creates dry mouth
And is known for making people crave sugar
Griffin make sure you take extra good care
Of your teeth
B/ c given the above side effects
Methadone can ruin teeth
I would think you were just
Over medicated
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That sounds just like you took datura. You weren't munching on any random plants from your yard were you?? Loll prolly would have mentioned it if you were.
It sounds a little similar to tripping on benadryl, especially with the cotton mouth.
You didn't take any benadryl or anything did you? Maybe you're extra sensitive to it or something. Benadryl makes you trip like that, talking to people who aren't there, seeing spiders flooding out of the wall kind of shit that you can't tell isn't real
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Hey kat: I also get twitches like that, they increase in frequency and strength when I'm laying down and relaxed. I'll twitch a few times every minute and they are like hard, quick jerks. I have epilepsy, so I thought it was related to that, but maybe it's just the methadone.
It's called like hypnic jerk and isn't uncommon. I get them when I'm falling asleep. For some reason, I only get them when my gf is with me, which sucks for her cause I end up twitching bad when her head is on my shoulder and she's practically asleep
Google says this A hypnic jerk, hypnagogic jerk, sleep start, sleep twitch or night start, or jump, is an involuntary twitch which occurs just as a person is beginning to fall asleep, often causing them to awaken suddenly for a moment.
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Could it be some kind of wakeful nod? If that makes sense.. I know from when I was getting high if I was on a nod id be talking to friends that weren't there but never fully open eyes and "awake" only nodding out. Also was what you were saying make any sense? I know sometimes nodding people will tell me I said some off the wall shit like "no I left the moon in the kitchen"
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I actually took 8 benedryl that morning after my dose, because I didn't sleep much the night before so I was trying to get some sleep.
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Yesterday I was having very vivid hallucinations. I would be talking to someone and I would look away and when I looked back they were gone and I would stop talking out loud and wonder what just happened. I accidentally took my take home meds for today yesterday. I don't remember doing it, I just remember I woke up at 10 last night thinking it was morning and started looking it for it and couldn't find it. I found the empty bottle when I keep it.
I was seeing things that weren't there, talking out loud to people who weren't there. I fell asleep twice yesterday and woke up thinking it was today. I am going through an immense amount of stress. This has never happened before though. I would realize that it was a hallucination after I would look back and see who I was talking out loud to was gone. I was seeing a bunch of different things as well, and had no concept of time. I would constantly forget what I was doing.
Has anyone had anything like this happen to you? I am wondering if it is because I am so stressed out, or maybe I am becoming schizophrenic. I was thinking it could be happening because I took both doses yesterday, but I don't even remember taking the second one. I was looking everywhere for it and found the bottle with todays date on it where I keep all my empty bottles.
I can't talk to my MMT counselor about it because he will take away all my take homes and I can't get them back. I would have to tell him everything besides taking the extra dose. I don't have any idea what is going on. Yesterday seemed like one big scary lucid dream that was extremely vivid. It was happening constantly and the person I was talking to would be gone and I would be talking out loud to myself.
It hasn't happened yet today but I have only been awake for less than an hour. It reminds me of an extremely vivid nightmare that I had the first time I took the blood pressure medicine bystolic last year. In the dream I couldn't speak my thoughts and had no control over what I was saying and everyone I tried to explain it to thought I was crazy and took me to a mental hospital. The whole dream felt so real and scary. I couldn't explain what I was happening and was forced to goto a mental institution.
sounds like a good nod to me, in all seriousness when i nod i have very vivid dreams combined with reality and thats what it sounds like to me
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I think so too, I just haven't had a good nod in a few years and have never experienced anything like that before. I was sketched out the day after it happened. I have a friend was a paranoid schizophrenic and he didn't experience hardly any symptoms until he was 20. I feel terrible for him he all of sudden just went crazy pretty much, experiencing auditory and visual hallucinations and delusions out of no where.
He was all worried about electricity and that satan traveled through electricity and he stopped playing electric guitar only acoustic and he is the best guitar player I have ever met. He is up their with stevie ray vaughn and jimi hendrix. I think he is better than most blues guitar players alive like joe bonamassa. He was definitely the best player I had ever heard or seen and when he turned 20 his life just went crazy he was always kind of autistic and weird about a lot of things but that changed him completely.
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sounds like a good nod to me, in all seriousness when i nod i have very vivid dreams combined with reality and thats what it sounds like to me
Same
this is what I pray for evsry day
that the dope gods will bless me with the ability to see into the junk reality
Id say the 200mg of diphenhydramine was probably to blame
if I go a few weeks, I can take just 100mg of it and get VIVID opiate-style "hallucinations"
"True" hallucinations, in that I perceive them entirely as real
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I've experienced this type of thing before (talking to people who aren't there, dry mouth, problems with walking/using hands).
Every time, it was due to taking high doses of either diphenhydramine (benadryl) or dimenhydrinate (dramamine).
If I had to wager a guess, it was likely due to the benadryl you took, plus the flexeril and the methadone. All that combined together could easily explain your reaction.