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Title: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Der Alte Krieger on January 27, 2016, 03:19:56 PM
A young lady of my acquaintance recently had her baby die at age 3 months and now her POS Ex is trying to sue for custody of her two other children. Somehow in this process she is being called in to take follicle drug test.

She has about two weeks before the test and she last smoked pot about two weeks ago so she will surely test positive.

Has anyone any first hand experience with the shampoo stuff that they sell? I got an idea that they are snake oil but I'd really like to find out some way to help this poor girl out.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Zoops on January 27, 2016, 03:29:41 PM
That shampoo shit is a waste of money because what they test for is drug residues or metabolites inside the hair follicle. You can't wash it off.

Still, though, it's worth a try. Can't hurt, right?

Is a positive result for pot going to ruin her chances of keeping the kids? I mean, shit, anyone with kids will agree that little reefer once in a while could help one to not murder those little buggers.

It's not like she's gonna test for coke, opiates, PCP and meth all at the same time or anything.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Der Alte Krieger on January 27, 2016, 03:34:40 PM
It's my understanding that she will lose custody if she test's positive.

Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Zoops on January 27, 2016, 03:52:09 PM
that totally sucks.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Jega on January 27, 2016, 03:58:40 PM
This really does suck!

I wish I had something better to tell you, but I don't know any way to beat a hair follicle drug test.

Here is hoping someone else knows some magic.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Wildcat on January 27, 2016, 11:37:46 PM
The only thing that MAY help-is if she dyes her hair-the ammonia in it can throw off a positive.

OR

shave her head.

hope it works out for your friend- ; )
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: nick on January 28, 2016, 12:28:48 AM
Forget shampoo and get a damn good lawyer.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: 10kites on January 28, 2016, 01:00:02 AM
You could also look at ways to make her ex test positive, then there is no "winners".

Hire a femme fatale to burn one with him or slip him something, get a couple of big MFers to hold him down and blow him shotguns. If he tells ain't nobody gonna believe him. Somebody held you down and blew marijuana smoke in your face??? ahh, yeah,, okay dokey.

Use your imagination, look at the big picture, ya know?
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: DirtyJerzy on January 28, 2016, 02:36:57 AM
Shaving of her head is about the only option.

She doesn't have to shave her eyebrows or get all crazy with it. In fact she doesn't even need to take her hair  down skin tight. They need an inch and half, not from the folicle either. I personally had to do a hair test, and when I went in they said I didn't have enough to test, despite having about an inch of hair on my head, a goatee an inch long, and rather hairy arms and legs. They said nope they need and inch a half, and the diameter of a pencil. Arms, legs, chest, head not long enough. Armpit hair they said was long enough, but they couldn't get a pencil width of it.
They even asked about my pubes, but I groom myself, and when I showed them they said, nope not going to work. But if your au natural they can use your pubes.
They told me stories of dumb fucks who came in looking like cancer patients, eyebrows, everything just gone. Think they're fooling anyone? The testing place is like "huh, you wouldn't be trying to hide anything would ya?"

Fuck that sucks bro. I feel for her, and maybe just offing that fucker would be easier.
Or somehow getting some kiddy porn oh his phone or computer. No way would be get custody with a child porn charge.
Or some sort of blackmail. Surely she's got some dirt on him she could threaten to bring to light.
Just trying to brainstorm for you bro, fucking with someone kids is serious shit, and sometimes you gotta fight fire with arson.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: thetalkingasshole on January 28, 2016, 09:43:34 AM
Just to through this out there
being a Homo Sapien and all
Kind of mans there is hair ALL OVER our bodies
if you come in shaved it better include your ass, eyebrows
ANY hair can be used, head hairs are just the easiest
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Tony on January 29, 2016, 12:50:06 AM
Hello Dutch,

I have no answer only some hope. The hair tests ( at least the ones used by Tarrant County )
that they use are very unreliable. I have personally known four people that tested negative after using
heavily up to a week before the test. I am talking about poly drug use.

They all tested negative for any controlled substances. And these were all for custody cases too.

Peace,

Tony

     
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: dizzle on January 29, 2016, 01:01:06 PM
dirtyjerz had some good advice there.


As did 10kites. Figure out a way to fuck him if he's gonna play dirty.



Finally, I'll throw my hat in the ring of "THAT FUCKING SUCKS". I mean, how the hell is this America? I mean, seriously.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: sk8phaze on January 29, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
She could shave her head then get fitted with Indian hair imported from India, thats just a suggestion. Just gotta hope the hair from the donor didn't use drugs in India lol. Good luck.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Z on January 30, 2016, 12:16:13 PM
She might be able to ask in a worried way if being around people who were smoking would test positive.  She would have to say that she was not with her kids at the time.  The other option might be to admit to smoking once a month.  Say she had a problem, and was stressed with the death of the newborn baby. She got a sitter and went to talk to one of her girlfriends who smoked a joint with her.  Grief is a hell of an extenuating circumstance.


Modern CPS don't always want to jus take the kid.  They usually think of circumstances in my experience.  There are studies that show that kids do better with their parents even if it isn't in an ideal circumstance than they do by getting put into the system.


I will echo Nick's suggestion too.  Get a lawyer.  You need to know your rights, and you need someone who knows the local players and can advocate on your behalf.


How did the baby die?  If you don't want to say it's totally ok.  I'm a little too nosy sometimes.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Der Alte Krieger on February 02, 2016, 03:50:02 PM
Thanks for everyone's reply's.

However, since I posted this I found out that she not only has been smoking pot but Meth as well, and more frequently than she mentioned to my GF's daughter, who was the one that asked me to try to find a way to beat the test, who's husband she has also been trying to fuck during the whole time she's been trying to help her  , by babysitting for her, taking her place's, lending her money, Etc.

So really, as of right now I could give a fuck less if they take her children and thrash her through the streets naked. 

Good info though, I may need it myself sometime,

 
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Der Alte Krieger on February 02, 2016, 04:00:51 PM


"How did the baby die?  If you don't want to say it's totally ok.  I'm a little too nosy sometimes."



The infant aspirated vomitus is the story I got and was apparently without oxygen for a long enough to cause severe brain damage;

My GF's daughter had been babysitting the kid almost every day since he was born and it really tore her up, she said it was like losing her own child,

I saw the kid a couple times and he was really a cute little feller, his actual name, on the birth certificate, was "Pistol" which I, of course thought was cool as shit.

RIP, Pistol



Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: robojunkie on February 03, 2016, 05:32:13 AM
Upon thinking about this topic over the days and trying to get creative, and mind you this would likely be a little painful, but the human hair is approximately 100 microns (1/10 millimeter in diameter) and has usually three layers.  The drug is of course in the central one as I understand it, primarily, and it goes without saying that this presents problems.  However it also happens that organic compounds undergo significant bond ionization and cission upon absorption of mid to high energy UV radiation.  So as ridiculous as this may sound, and this is only a reasonably well thought out hypothesis, knowing the scant but significant penetrating depth of UV radiation (it would cover that radius), a good series of tanning sessions every day just not naked obviously with face protection, and everything but the head shaved, would eventually decompose some of the more complicated drug metabolite molecules (especially considering that even with heavy pot use the metabolites/THC doubtfully make up more than a tiny fraction of a percent of the hair weight, that using a tanning bed while protecting the rest of the well shaved body and while inside continually exposing the maximum amount of hair possible every time (waving with hands, combing up, etc) and repeating every day IMO would stand a good chance of breaking down/altering the structure of the metabolites in enough of an amount so as to be undetectable.  The hair wouldn't be in all that great a shape either, but hair can be repaired. 

It's mostly keratins and other organic polymers.  The outer layer called the cuticle is a "dead" skin essentially and isn't really a single coating but a series of microscopic scales, that can be temporarily unsealed so to speak with strong bleaching treatments.  This then exposes the cortex which is the middle layer and where the vast majority of hair pigments are found.  And the central layer, called the medulla is very thin, less than 10 microns and is made almost entirely of helical proteins.  As we all know or probably do, professional bleaching removes nearly all pigmentation which is in the second (major) layer.  It is primarily here and to some extent in the medulla (as this is the "living" part of the hair, or was when it was below the skin line and connected to intradermal systems.  The cuticle which is made of oils and proteins as well, is easily made permeable by bleaching products, which then proceed to extract and degrade the pigments.  Taking this into account and prior knowledge that hair is permeable by many oils (of which THC is one) I imagine a harsh bleaching procedure be used, the hair is kept slightly alkaline (i.e. basic) and irradiated then soaked heavily in any type of oil i.e. vegetable, cooking, canola, olive, or the special hair treatment oils but fuck them as they have other stuff that is meant to penetrate the car and that would just fuck up the flow of the oily shit one wants gone.  So in short my hypothesis is the a good bleaching (to be recolored the day before court) is done and when completed kept basic with a, idk, weak bicarb spray or something and hit the tanning bed.  Finally soak it in whatever clean oil probably for at least an hour (THC and most cannabinoids are oily and as such will tend to migrate towards the unadulterated oil).  I'd repeat this each day until the hair is virtually colorless i.e. near white, and at this point one has shown all the pigments destroyed, nearly all of which are in the major context layer.  I believe this combination of bleaching/base (to open cuticle keratin plates), UV irradiation to promote breakdown of certain molecules at certain rates (people's hair is nearly always lighter in the summer, this is why) and finally the good old oil soak to remove any that are left.  I'd repeat as many times as possible until there is the sense the hairs are being destroyed. 

Once she has judged completion, make a lemon juice spray (for the citric acid) and generously apply it and comb it in and leave it a few minutes (it will aid in reclosing of the cuticle pieces) and a good dye job after the citric acid is rinsed (not shampooed) out.  Apply all the usual dyeing conditioners to return the hair to its original texture and color as best as possible.  It is my unproven hypothetical opinion that this rather tedious receptive process would effectively remove nearly all the oily cannabis metabolites.  Considering the stakes involved the pain in the butt of doing it is well worth the potential benefit vs. potential loss.  Once way you could verify it is take 25 to 50 pieces of hair off, add it to a small bowl of sodium sulfate and DCM, grind the fuck out of it, evaporate the DMC and dissolve what you probably can no longer even see in a very small amount of EtOH/water no more than 1 part EtOH to 10 parts water and add some known to be clean piss to it and pick up one of those $3-5 THC test strip they sell at Walmart etc.  This would give conformation or uncertainty, as if THC shown positive it only proves some and maybe all was removed.  If negative one can be very uncertain as to whether it was done right or whether there was so little THC that these enzyme linked dip test kits are sucky and insensitive and would likely be too dilute to activate the color releasing enzyme. 

So, long story short, after having thought about this situation off and on for quite a bit, I would say within the realm of reality (a regular American woman is not shaving her head bald and removing all body hair ruling out any shaving deception as they will be immensely suspicious and reorder the test/court date.  And maybe even hold her until the hearing for the obvious attempt to circumvent the court's order (contempt of court yeah no shit).  So as best I can figure out without having dangerous deceptions, sleight of hand, or retro-Sinead O'Connor hair is that this series of treatments would be highly effective, considering what each one does and how they are essentially synergistic in their cleansing and filtering of the hair.  I can't back this 100% as I've never done it nor ever heard of it, but from what I do know about science, and hair structure from reading (it should go without saying the chemistry aspect) I actually have a fairly high degree of confidence that this would be successful were she to do it.  She would need to grind in the bleaching product, and man up to the burning pain it will produce when it contacts the scalp, so that even the root follicles can be accessed for the oil "extraction" should they actually pull 50 hairs directly out of her scalp.  I can't, however, imagine it being done this way, I picture them just cutting several small swatches and just combining them.  I would love to try this myself with one of my many buddies providing needed piss, I'd run a THC test myself, and even compare to some hair from before the treatment and see it none, one or both show on the EMIT strip.

I'm not grasping at straws here DAK, just coming up with something that has a legitimate chance that also does not make one look incredibly dehydrated or like a bipolar head shaving breakdown patient (don't let her play off having cancer chemo or some other fake ailment.  It's kinda sleazy and  upon being possibly caught would likely start running their sucks about possible deception.  Good luck DAK's friend, if you do try to beat it and actually try this please let me know how it goes.
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Snout on February 03, 2016, 09:56:05 AM
Damn RJ, nice thinking!
Title: Re: Beating a hair follicle drug test
Post by: Guts on February 03, 2016, 07:13:42 PM
Yeah man... I thought the getting some weave and hoping for a white chick was a good idea but fuck...
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