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Title: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: smalls on December 13, 2015, 11:15:49 PM

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Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Fran Lowry
December 11, 2015
 
HUNTINGTON BEACH, California ― Gabapentin (multiple brands) is increasingly being used by patients in methadone maintenance programs to get high, and this can put them at risk for accidents, injuries, and even death, researchers say.

"Gabapentin is effective and relatively safe, but comes with the potential for misuse and negative sequelae," Joseph Insler, MD, from the VA Boston Healthcare System, Harvard Medical School, in Massachusetts, told Medscape Medical News.

"Increasing availability, infrequent drug testing, and potentiation of euphoria when combined with opioids have likely all contributed to gabapentin misuse," Dr Insler said here in a poster session at the American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry (AAAP) 26th Annual Meeting.

"Increasing clinicians' understanding of this dilemma and focusing on good prescribing practices will improve clinical expertise and patient care," he said.

Gabapentin is usually not one of the drugs for which patients are tested in treatment programs, Dr Insler noted.

"If the drug test shows positive for the drug of abuse, it can lead to somebody being dismissed from the treatment program, and patients are aware of that. You can use as much gabapentin as you want, and it will lead to euphoria and feeling sedated, but nobody will know if they don't test for it. This is definitely a factor that is driving this increasing misuse," he said.

Dr Insler presented the case of a 36-year-old male window washer who had a history of alcohol use disorder, opioid use disorder, and chronic back pain. The patient came to the emergency department (ED) with a fractured vertebra after falling down the stairs.

The patient denied recent alcohol or illicit opioid use. His medications included buprenorphine/naloxone 2/0.5 mg daily, alprazolam 2 mg twice a day, and gabapentin 600 mg three times daily.

The alprazolam and buprenorphine/naloxone were prescribed from visit to visit by his psychiatrist, and his gabapentin was prescribed by his primary care physician, whom he had not seen in months and who would give him a prescription for 12 refills at a time.

The patient denied gabapentin misuse. However, his parents expressed concern, citing six car accidents and three falls in the past 8 months.

"They recalled numerous times when the patient appeared sleepy and had poor balance, and they suspected that he had not been taking his medication as prescribed. They also reported finding several empty bottles of gabapentin that were not prescribed, and believed that gabapentin misuse may have been a reason for his accident," Dr Insler said.

Increased Prescribing

Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) data show that ED visits involving the nonmedical use of gabapentin have increased by 90% in the United States since 2008. In rural Kentucky, ED visits from the nonmedical use of gabapentin have increased 3000%, Dr Insler said.

DAWN data also suggest that 20% of patients in treatment may misuse or abuse gabapentin, he said.

During this period, there has been a rise in gabapentin prescribing, Dr Insler noted.

"Clinicians should use caution when considering gabapentin, particularly with opioid-dependent patients or those with a history of nonmedical use of prescription drugs," he added.

"One of the downsides with gabapentin, since it is not a controlled substance, you can't work it into the prescription monitoring program and see if the patient has filled other gabapentin scripts from other clinicians. I would love that if we had that, but we don't. So right now, use caution. Don't necessarily avoid prescribing it, but be careful and prescribe it from visit to visit. Don't just give somebody six refills and say you will see them in 6 months, something I've seen many times," Dr Insler said.

"It's always a balance of trying to maintain your alliance with your patients and treat them well and not contribute to the problem of diversion or put patients at risk. I was taken by surprise when I first saw this case. It was my first but certainly not my last. I just want to increase awareness of the problem," he said.

Gabapentin Still Less Risky Than Other Anxiolytics

"We are certainly seeing some misuse of gabapentin, and available data are showing this," said Carla Marienfeld, MD, director of the Yale Psychiatry Residency Global Mental Health Program, Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, Connecticut, when asked by Medscape Medical News to comment on this study.

"However, clinical decisions about the use of gabapentin for anxiety or other psychiatric indications should be balanced against the much higher risks and known adverse effects of other anxiolytic medications while we gather more data on the actual risk with gabapentin," Dr Marienfeld said.

"Once you start giving a medication to substance abusers, unless it's downright aversive, which gabapentin is not, it gets abused by substance abusers, and particularly in combination with other things. So gabapentin in combination with a benzodiazepine, for example, or in combination with an opiate, and potentially even in combination with alcohol will potentiate the effect, and they like that," Thomas R. Kosten, MD, Jay H. Waggoner Chair and professor of psychiatry and neuroscience at Baylor College of Medicine and research director of the Michael E. DeBakey Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Houston, Texas, told Medscape Medical News.

"It’s a generic, so it's cheap, but still, it's pretty safe. A standard dose is 600 mg twice a day. You can take 3000 mg, probably, and we've given people up to 6000 mg. They're still standing, although they are sleepy. It's the same thing with benzos. I don't think you can die from a benzo overdose, and I don't think you can die from a gabapentin overdose. But you could mix them together and manage to do it."

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/855819
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: sprawlnod on December 14, 2015, 01:10:17 AM
Interesting.  I've never understood the attraction to Gabapentin, though.  I've had it prescribed before and I'm also on methadone, so I should like it according to the article.  It's never really done anything for me.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: DeadCat on December 14, 2015, 02:27:14 AM
My sister was a very experienced opiate user but in the months before she died she had several near-death ODs and strange fluctuations in her blood pressure requiring hospitalization. Although her death was ruled a heroin/fentanyl overdose my thinking was always that her ODs were because some other prescribed medication was complicating her reaction to opiates.  She was a CPP patient and doctors were giving her varying amounts of non-narcotic and narcotic drugs for it.  Gabapentin was among them.

Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: theSWPK on December 14, 2015, 07:45:51 AM
Great, just what we need, gaba to get scheduled from media attention.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Snoop on December 14, 2015, 03:11:50 PM
Gaba is already schedule V.....

Just saying
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Opus on December 14, 2015, 03:15:57 PM
The only times (like 2) I've taken gabapentin, all it does is make me strangely dizzy?

So far I don't see any appeal in it either.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Snoop on December 14, 2015, 05:35:42 PM
I had one good experience with Gaba (pretty recently too) mixed it in with my Alprazolam and Methadone in the evening before bed.

I was doing that 'sleeping standing up/in strange places/rooms' thing.

Reaching for imaginary shit... (reminds me of Maximus in Gladiator when he's dying and reaching for that doorknob in his dream) anyone else reach out for shit that isn't there when you're on a good nod?

Dropping cigs on myself left and right.

It was sorta enjoyable. Hadn't had a good nod in a solid millennium. At least.

But... When I tried to replicate this feeling the next few days I just felt that groggy over medicated feeling. Heavy. Lethargic. And dizzy as fuck.

Fuck Gaba.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: St. Theresa on December 14, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
I had one good experience with Gaba (pretty recently too) mixed it in with my Alprazolam and Methadone in the evening before bed.

I was doing that 'sleeping standing up/in strange places/rooms' thing.

Reaching for imaginary shit... (reminds me of Maximus in Gladiator when he's dying and reaching for that doorknob in his dream) anyone else reach out for shit that isn't there when you're on a good nod?

Dropping cigs on myself left and right.

It was sorta enjoyable. Hadn't had a good nod in a solid millennium. At least.

But... When I tried to replicate this feeling the next few days I just felt that groggy over medicated feeling. Heavy. Lethargic. And dizzy as fuck.

Fuck Gaba.


Lol the imaginary grab

Yeah with gaba I get that first time good feeling and then not so much after that. Same with seroquel (sp?)...

Speaking of gaba...anyone hear from jega?
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Narkotikon on December 15, 2015, 05:52:01 AM
Jega's going to hate this.

This article will only increase attention to gabapentin and make it more likely to have tighter prescribing protocols.

The thing I don't like about articles like this is that they tend to generalize. "If prescribed to substance abusers they will abuse it."  That implies every single addict is automatically going to abuse gabapentin if they're scripted it.  That's bullshit.

It also mean addicts might loose yet another medication that could effectively help them by easing their suffering, whether it be during w/d, for anxiety, for sleep, etc.  Addicts already have a hard enough time getting effective treatment.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Zoops on December 15, 2015, 11:39:43 AM
OMG the imaginary grab! You mean I'm not the only one who does that? The other night, while in a semi-nod on PST, I reached for something that I was seeing in a dream. Can't remember what it was, but that wasn't the first time. I usually wake up right after doing it.

Wow.

And sleeping standing up? fuggedaboutit

Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: smalls on December 15, 2015, 02:11:43 PM
Jega's going to hate this.

This article will only increase attention to gabapentin and make it more likely to have tighter prescribing protocols.

The thing I don't like about articles like this is that they tend to generalize. "If prescribed to substance abusers they will abuse it."  That implies every single addict is automatically going to abuse gabapentin if they're scripted it.  That's bullshit.

It also mean addicts might loose yet another medication that could effectively help them by easing their suffering, whether it be during w/d, for anxiety, for sleep, etc.  Addicts already have a hard enough time getting effective treatment.

That quote stood out to me too. "Once you start giving a medication to substance abusers [...] it gets abused by substance abusers." Utter bullshit indeed!
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Zoops on December 15, 2015, 02:58:09 PM
I used to be prejudiced against gabapentin, but an about 4,000mg dose that I took shortly after getting out of the joint had me a believer.

Gabapentin is NOT schedule V, but its close cousin pregabalin (aka Lyrica), is.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: corlene on December 15, 2015, 03:53:10 PM
You know what's a half decent combo? Lyrica and ultram. Even on top of all the opiates it had me feelin pretty good. Im scripted Lyrica 150 am and lunch 300 at night.

About 900 of Lyrica and 400 of ultram, gets me every time
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Snoop on December 15, 2015, 10:08:00 PM
I stand corrected.... I thought that Gaba was the generic version of Lyrica.

But I look at Wiki and its staring at me right dab between the eyes... So it must be true.

I love wiki
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: theSWPK on December 16, 2015, 01:01:25 AM
I stand corrected.... I thought that Gaba was the generic version of Lyrica.

But I look at Wiki and its staring at me right dab between the eyes... So it must be true.

I love wiki

Neurontin - gabapentin
Lyrica - pregabalin
.

From what I have heard from people I've spoken to about it, and read in forums, it seems like a majority of opiate "enthusiasts" (addicts) prefer Lyrica for wd's over Neurontin. I feel like many folks trying out gabapentin, and not just for wd, just haven't tried a high enough dose. When you get to a good enough dose, gabapentin will blow your hair back. You can get really fucked up on the stuff, and it's got really long legs. The only downside is that the tolerance is steep and quick. Exponentially so.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: danny2.0 on December 16, 2015, 03:37:35 AM
Done pregabs with methadone... V similar reactions to snoops...first time gouch, next time sludgy and thick headed,like the hit you get from promethazine and methadone... Also tried it to help reduce, and it didn't do a lot there either, although I was only taking one 100mg cap on top...
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Morfy on December 16, 2015, 04:20:21 AM

I had access to ~100 gabapentin tabs a few years ago,


I liked it, it was a weird kind of high even at low doses, tingly fingers, relaxed demeanor.


I distinctly remember that gaba altered my sense of touch:  I would be driving, and the steering wheel would feel like it was 3 inches thick & "PLUSH "--like it was made of the same material stuffed animals are made of, instead of 3/4 of an inch hard plastic.


If I could get my doctor to script this, I would be happy to use it daily.  And be quite chill doing it.


I don't think I ever combined it with an opiate, I was using it to get through the tail end of WDs.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Narkotikon on December 16, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
Ditto for the falling asleep standing up thing. I've been doing that for the past three nights. Really it's late at night  / early morning.  And overall at least a few nights every 10 days or so.

Not from gabapentin, although I believe it. Gabanergics tend to have that effect. Rather mine is from its cousin (distant?) Phenibut. I don't know why I do it. I don't get any pleasure from it anymore. Haven't in months. Oh, wait, I know.  I'm an addict!   ;D  I really do need too quit though. Or at least start lowering the dose to non-falling levels. I blame 500g containers.   ::)
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Jega on December 16, 2015, 12:02:20 PM
Well that's fantastic. And yes, Jega does hate this.

I've been in and out of hospitals over the last month and the students haven't been taught about the glory that is gabapentin yet thank God. They all say "really!?" when I tell them that this is the one medication I say works best for Panic Disorder. But yes, negative attention on this is not what I need right now.

I don't doubt that for some it just makes them dizzy. But for some of us this shit works better than xanax if you dose it right.

Also Gabapentin is not scheduled yet. Pregabalin is C V but Gabapentin is unscheduled. So far anyway...
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: smalls on December 16, 2015, 08:12:51 PM
Well that's fantastic. And yes, Jega does hate this.

I've been in and out of hospitals over the last month and the students haven't been taught about the glory that is gabapentin yet thank God. They all say "really!?" when I tell them that this is the one medication I say works best for Panic Disorder. But yes, negative attention on this is not what I need right now.

I don't doubt that for some it just makes them dizzy. But for some of us this shit works better than xanax if you dose it right.

Also Gabapentin is not scheduled yet. Pregabalin is C V but Gabapentin is unscheduled. So far anyway...

Glad to see you posting Jega. People have been wondering/worried about you. Sorry to hear you've been in the hospital (unless that's a good thing?). Hope you're doing better.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: skramamme on December 16, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
Well that's fantastic. And yes, Jega does hate this.

I've been in and out of hospitals over the last month and the students haven't been taught about the glory that is gabapentin yet thank God. They all say "really!?" when I tell them that this is the one medication I say works best for Panic Disorder. But yes, negative attention on this is not what I need right now.

I don't doubt that for some it just makes them dizzy. But for some of us this shit works better than xanax if you dose it right.

Also Gabapentin is not scheduled yet. Pregabalin is C V but Gabapentin is unscheduled. So far anyway...

I'm on Lyrica (75mg as often as I want really) and only take 150 at a time once a week or so when my back and hips are really bad and it gets me a little wasted but I really try not to use it very much as I have heard that physical dependency can be a big issue for those on higher doses and that coming off it is really ugly.
One person posted that it was like benzo and opiate withdrawal rolled into one, which is something I don't need.
Of course they say it doesn't result in any withdrawal issues but tramadol was sold as a habit-free med too.

Jega; my GP prescribes it for pain but also says that it could help with my anxiety but I haven't found a sweet spot for that yet and I need to be alert enough to drive my kid around safely etc etc. I assume the dose would have to be much higher than 150mg. You find it good for anxiety? What dose range do you find helpful for your panic disorder?

Overall I do agree that it has abuse potential- the first time I took 25mg I was walking into walls and felt almost drunk and very silly, but tolerance builds up incredibly fast- like, within days I was able to take 75mg with no side effects at all (mind you, I must say it is nice in combination with a little wine, some methadone and valium- a good way to wind down if you don't have to go anywhere , although I'm on subs now so IDK if it's particularly good with that).
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Zoops on December 17, 2015, 12:56:59 AM
Hey Jega, glad to see you're still on this side of the ground.  We were a bit worried about you, since you just went MIA/AWOL and didn't let anyone know your status.

Fill us in on what happened while you were away, please, please.

You wouldn't believe how much we (at least me, but I know it's more than just me) care about you.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Serilia on January 12, 2016, 11:37:51 AM
Ya know I got the 600mg ones the entire time I was in pm and for me when id WD or out and fucked I'd take huge amounts and it would knock me out and let me at least sleep. I haven't had any for a good six months but I think if it works for but ya it does make me sleep.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: SapphireBlue on January 14, 2016, 02:18:25 AM
I'll never understand the appeal of gabap for a high either...I get it scripted for my pain too and that shit makes me foggy-headed as hell and my short term memory go bye-bye.  Back before I got in to my new PM doc, I HAD to take it religiously bc my pain was crazy out of control, but now that I'm back in PM, I've weaned myself down to just 100 mg at night. 

I could probably quit it altogether, but my PM doc would question it if I stopped it.  Can't have that...besides, it IS nice to have around for when I run out  of opies so I can sleep.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Andi on January 14, 2016, 08:18:53 PM
Sure if you want early onset Alzheimer and dementia, by all means keep taking this shit drug...

I'm Rx'd 3600 mgs I've weaned down to 1800 mgs and hope to be off it all together this year. When I was getting it in the beginning apparently I said a lot of shit I don't remember. Even now things come to me slower than I'd like. It's not as great of drug as one would think.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Specter on January 14, 2016, 11:09:09 PM
Gabapentin and Lyrica have both been a great tool to combat WD when you don't have your DoC.  Hell I would rather take either of those than Suboxone for WD...

I'm sure it's just a matter of time before there are tighter controls for both meds but right now Lyrica is Schedule V and Gabapentin is not scheduled at all.  Nevermind I see Snoop corrected himself on that....

The reason I say that-- I was looking at getting into a 3/4 house around here and both of them totally forbid both drugs... Prescribed or not it doesn't matter.  I've never been to a halfway or 3/4 house so I have no idea if this is normal or not but I was baffled that you couldn't use either drug while living there..... Especially gabapentin.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Spore on January 15, 2016, 12:23:37 AM
As Jega has mentioned high doses of GABA does help with panic. I never had panic attacks until I got bedbound a little over a year ago. I get fight or flight, impending doom, smothered/drowning and feeling like i'm going to die. Taking GABA helps that, as does benzos a bit but my tolerance to them is fucked ugh. It's pretty impossible to die or OD on GABA according to a doctor's lecture from stanford on nerve pain vs. say cymbalta.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Chip on December 31, 2017, 07:14:45 PM
My sister was a very experienced opiate user but in the months before she died she had several near-death ODs and strange fluctuations in her blood pressure requiring hospitalization. Although her death was ruled a heroin/fentanyl overdose my thinking was always that her ODs were because some other prescribed medication was complicating her reaction to opiates.  She was a CPP patient and doctors were giving her varying amounts of non-narcotic and narcotic drugs for it.  Gabapentin was among them.

both siblings die from an OD - how tragic.

his mother had also recently died.

it's hard to fathom just how doomed the family was and because they couldn't or wouldn't access medically supervised drug using facilities, they paid with their lives.

please people, buddy up or find a sitter, anybody that may care.

using alone can be DEADLY and watch your benzo intake ! ... using benzos and Heroin made me OD but was fortunately saved by 3 doses of Natcan.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Thoms on January 01, 2018, 02:37:14 AM
I think I’m confused or did you have a little slip boss? I’m sure if you did you know it happens. Knowing you though I think I might have missed something there? @Chipper#3
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Chip on January 01, 2018, 07:27:20 AM
i was reflecting of Deadcat's recent death and just how fragile life can be for opiate users.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Nice on January 09, 2018, 11:19:49 PM
I have a lot of experience here. These drugs are the closest thing to a non-opioid panacea out there, especially pregablin. The issue with gabapentin is that the body can only absorb so much at a time, as the transporters get "saturated" (and it is absorbed further down in the gut, delaying the effects). So you have to stagger your doses, taking like one pill every ~30 minutes (that's how I do it at least). After an hour you are feeling better, and after 2-3 you are near 100%. The only thing it doesn't take away for me is the sneezes. In theory you have to "mega dose" to get opioid withdrawal relief, but you can't overdose on these drugs, and the only real negative effects I've had on heroic doses is myoclonic jerking, usually exasperated by a lack of sleep.

Pregablin doesn't have the absorption issues, so you can just take your entire dose at once, and I'd say 200-300mg pregablin for a first timer will set you straight and have you feeling decent. The "buzz" is more of like a drunken lack of inhibition without the sloppiness of being drunk with interesting CEVs, but these effects go away quickly with repeated dosing, and you will only get relief from withdrawal, along with (maybe) some disassociation at high enough doses once you have a tolerance.

Pregablin doesn't have a generic (yet), so the prescriptions are more expensive. Gabapentin is easy to get prescribed, comparatively, and always a gold standard to my opiate withdrawal protocol. Honestly, I'd rather have one of these than benzos if I had to hold out a few days or more.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Jega on January 12, 2018, 03:39:00 AM
Nice said anything I could say but I don't like Lyrica. Just don't, don't find it as useful, just personal preference. Everytime I am asked what drug helps the most and the first words out of my mouth aren't the name of a Benzo the Dr's are surprised. Gaba Gaba Gaba--The Flintstones for the win.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Mr.pooper on January 15, 2018, 04:45:13 PM
Gabapentin and Lyrica have both been a great tool to combat WD when you don't have your DoC.  Hell I would rather take either of those than Suboxone for WD...

I'm sure it's just a matter of time before there are tighter controls for both meds but right now Lyrica is Schedule V and Gabapentin is not scheduled at all.  Nevermind I see Snoop corrected himself on that....

The reason I say that-- I was looking at getting into a 3/4 house around here and both of them totally forbid both drugs... Prescribed or not it doesn't matter.  I've never been to a halfway or 3/4 house so I have no idea if this is normal or not but I was baffled that you couldn't use either drug while living there..... Especially gabapentin.

Thats horrible they can deny entry if you are prescribed certain medication, that a doctor with a PHD deemed necessary for your health. I wonder if thats illegal somehow. Discrimination based on your medical is made by what doctor at these houses??...

The other ones that make me mad are the banning of Kava, kratom, And fucking Valerian root, as well as melatonin. It just baffles me these places out right deny something that may help the client greatly.

 Their usual justification is "They get you high", while they swallow their anti-depressant, with their 5th cup of extra strong coffee, smoking a cigarette, and eating some shitty fast food with simple sugars and corn syrups. All of which are drugs. All if which produce a high, and are much more harmful. The anti depressant is the exception to that list of legal highs, however they can cause suicidal/homicidal idealization and increased depression with the wrong one.

Caffeine is consumed daily by 80% of people who try it. Cigarettes are just behind alcohol in most damaging drug ever made. Most of our food, atleast 80% of the grocery store foods, have added sugar. One college study found sugar to be 5x more addictive than cocaine, and is linked to a majority of american health issues. But all these are ok and NOT DRUGS according to the people working there. Ive had this argument so many times with rehab staff and employees, just to point out how absurd their rules are, and im usuaully just ignored like im crazy hahahaha.

Wait till there's DUI and public intoxication charges for excess caffeine levels in ones system. Police state has landed.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Chip on January 15, 2018, 04:50:27 PM

@Mr.pooper ... yep, so true i keep on banging on about the danger of banning fairly innocuous soft options - welcome illegal, more dangerous HARDER options.

Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Raine on January 18, 2018, 09:58:19 PM
I recently got prescribed gabapaentin for a comfort/detox med. It helps greatly but it's only been a few days on it.
Yesterday I realized I took about 5 600 mg pills. What would you guys say is a good dose for comfort but also functionality like I'm not gonna be laid out for hours? And should I just pop a few at a time or take one by one until I feel relief? I'm on day 8 of detoxing  today but haven't slept in 2 days and I have to function today.
Sorry if this is the wrong place for this but I'm not in my best mindframe, lol.

I can see why people like it.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Nice on January 25, 2018, 12:38:27 PM
Due to the absorption issues, you want to stagger the doses. Take one pill every ~30 minutes or so until you feel that you are in a good spot. It's very inconsistent and you won't be able to recreate the first few highs no matter how high you dose later on without a long break. Either way, great WD aid.
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Güey on January 25, 2018, 01:15:41 PM
I know this thread is old,  but the original post caught my eye...

The dude is taking opiates and benzos,  and they blame his 6 wrecks on gabapentin jaja

Ive never had much luck with  it,  as a comfort med,  but Ive also only taken small doses. Its things like this that make me believe health care professionals are wildly out of touch. They  make it sound as addictive as  crack....
Title: Re: Gabapentin New Drug of Abuse?
Post by: Chip on January 25, 2018, 02:52:59 PM
Due to the absorption issues, you want to stagger the doses. Take one pill every ~30 minutes or so until you feel that you are in a good spot. It's very inconsistent and you won't be able to recreate the first few highs no matter how high you dose later on without a long break. Either way, great WD aid.

what he said. tolerance develops so quickly, it's a short-lived thing despite being significantly intoxicating once upon a time.
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