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Title: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Anesthesia on September 03, 2015, 03:47:29 AM
I will (hopefully) be going in to have all four of my wisdom teeth completely dug out in the next couple weeks here, depending on how much of my surgery Medica covers.

When I went in for my consultation they assured me I would be given a narcotic for post surgery pain.  Have any of you had experience with this? What did they give you?

I'm sure I will get 15 5/500 vicodin, as this is what I got for my last surgery, but have heard tell of people getting 30 5mg Percs with two refills!!   Has anyone else had this experience? I've also heard of people getting a bottle of Tylenol 3 and some 500mg ibuprofen, hopefully that isn't the case.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Jega on September 03, 2015, 03:58:51 AM
Everything go ok? Get your pills filled already?Could they pull all 4 or did some or  all have to be cut out?
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Griffin on September 03, 2015, 05:03:38 AM
When I got mine out they put me under with anesthesia and then took them out and sent me home. When they gave me the anesthesia they told me to count back from 100 but said I was laughing to hard to count but made it about 7 seconds. I was out the whole day and was 15 at the time. I got a bottle of 60 lortab 7.5s and they were gone in about 4 days. Then I got dry sockets because I started dipping the day after I had them out and got another bottle and did the same thing. My mom had her gallbladder removed a few months prior and had about 55 of her 60 perk 10s left with a refill left so I took all her meds and got her refill too and took them all and was out of everything within 2 weeks.

My mom is a beast she has the highest pain tolerance of anyone I have met my oldest brother does too. She shattered her ankle and her shoulder 6 months apart and only took narcotics in the hospital because she required surgery both times. When she got home she only took maybe 5 of her pain pills both times and took tylenol the rest of the time.

This was the first time I had ever had opiates except when I was like 5 and crushed my finger in a car door. They gave me codeine for the broken finger and stitches at the hospital and I was bouncing off the walls. They had to give me tranquilizers to calm me down.

 I loved the lortabs and percocets and I knew that if I ever tried them again I would be an addict. Once they were out I kept trying to get refills for everything and once they wouldn't give them to me I vowed to never try and get opiates again or take them. Fast forward 5 years someone had lortabs at a party and I took one and sense that day I have taken opiates every day except when withdrawaling and trying to stay clean after. From the time I took them at that party I took them every day until I became addicted and continued until I was an IV user and homeless and finally found methadone.

 Sorry for the derail it was just one memory that always stuck with me because I knew when I took them after having my wisdom teeth taken out that I would be addicted to them if I ever tried them again and I remember it vividly.


Griffin
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: alpha on September 03, 2015, 05:17:50 AM
I got mine taken out back in 1983, and it was my first taste of opiates.  They had to break my jaw in 2 places to get them out, and then sent me home with percocet, but I quickly called back and said they weren't helping.  Got a script for 30 4mg dilaudids, knew they would be great for recreation, suffered through the pain with the percs, and enjoyed the dilaudids after my mouth had healed.  Thus began the long journey down Poppy Road.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Narkotikon on September 03, 2015, 07:50:40 AM
I went to my childhood dentist first.  My wisdom teeth were barely coming in, so they were mostly impacted.  They'd have to be cut out.  I was concerned about pain and asked him prior to the procedure "how should I deal with the pain afterwards?"  He said I'd only have to take Tylenol.  I jumped up from the chair and immediately left, saying I'm not going to let this happen without proper pain control.  I was 19 at the time and my mother was with me.  She was mortified.  Besides, I was just getting into drugs and my RN sister told me I'd probably get a script for Vicodin.  I wanted to try that.  Plus, I really was concerned about the pain.  Fuck surgery with no pain meds. 

Fast forward a few years and my wisdom teeth are now fully in.  My mouth is bursting with teeth and little space.  I went to an oral surgeon this time.  They gave me nitrous oxide when I first got into the room, then fentanyl and versed via IV for the procedure.  When I went home I got a script for 16 7.5mg hydro.  They were gone in about two days.  I also got a script for antibiotics.  I was considering trying to get dry socket for more meds.  Smoking (one of the causes) didn't cause it though. 

I got my best score from a dentist right after I graduated college.  I had a lot of cavities, and the dentist took 2-3 out each week over the course of 6 weeks.  Each week I'd get a script for 16 10mg hydro.  I also got one before I even went in b/c my sister was friends with the dental staff.  I was in mild pain, played it up, she called and said I had an upcoming appointment, so they called it in.  After that I started buying poppy pods, that progressed, and here I am.

I think it depends on your doctor.  Also if it's a dentist or an oral surgeon.  Some get nothing, some small scripts of hydro, some get larger scripts, some get percs or better.  It just depends. 

Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: St. Theresa on September 03, 2015, 09:26:25 PM
The ibuprofen will help swelling and pain from inflammation better than any opiate when it comes to tooth pain from a rct or extraction. But if you get any Vicodin consider yourself lucky. Get some ice packs, and don't smoke or use a straw. If you must smoke, place fresh gauze over the sockets and again after smoking. Don't eat anything small like rice that can get trapped. And don't rinse and spit. You need to keep that clot there or you'll risk getting a dry socket.

Good luck and feel better.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Jega on September 04, 2015, 04:03:49 AM
The ibuprofen will help swelling and pain from inflammation better than any opiate when it comes to tooth pain from a rct or extraction. But if you get any Vicodin consider yourself lucky. Get some ice packs, and don't smoke or use a straw. If you must smoke, place fresh gauze over the sockets and again after smoking. Don't eat anything small like rice that can get trapped. And don't rinse and spit. You need to keep that clot there or you'll risk getting a dry socket.

Good luck and feel better.

All That. Do That.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Lolleedee on September 04, 2015, 06:26:49 AM
What my fellow CDA , St. T said!  I just want to reiterate..NO SMOKING, NO SUCKING THROUGH STRAWS, NO SUCKING ANYTHING FOR 72 HOURS!!!!  Also, if you use dip...don't!  All the above mentioned can lead to dry socket and if you get one, you will wish for death!!!  They hurt like hell and even if they give you an opiate for a dry socket it will not even touch the throbbing in your face and head!

I have found that most oral surgeons, IF they give a narcotic at all, tend to favor Vicodin or Vicoprofen.  They take all the fun out of surgery!!!!

Good luck with the surgery!
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Poppy on September 04, 2015, 07:15:10 AM
I have to chime in and say count yourself lucky that you live in the US not the UK. Here they just use local anaesthetic to remove the teeth and the only take home script you' might get would be one for antibiotics, and instructions to take ibuprofen and/or paracetamol. Severely impacted wisdom teeth might warrant a general anaesthetic, but no script for post operative pain.

There's a reason Brits are famous for having shit teeth and its basically a lack  of pain relief post procedures and sedation when undergoing the procedur.

Of course if you are rich enough to go private you can probably expect a similar experience to that which you guys receive.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Chip on September 08, 2015, 12:22:37 PM
how timely; i just lost two out of twelve teeth to be pulled.

dying for a smoke but trying to kick Nicotine and freaking out about developing "dry socket" ... hey, i worry a bit.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Sand and Water on September 08, 2015, 06:41:23 PM
how timely; i just lost two out of twelve teeth to be pulled.

dying for a smoke but trying to kick Nicotine and freaking out about developing "dry socket" ... hey, i worry a bit.

Along with ibuprofen, You *can* do SUPER GENTLE salt water rinses; as said above, absolutely no spitting, just let it run out of your mouth. It tastes like crap, but really helps bring down swelling & flush out foreign particles.   Also, no drinking from a straw or soda containers. This will sound dirty, but I don't know how else to say it- suction is bad-- it will up the chances of dry socket.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Chip on September 08, 2015, 06:54:00 PM
thanks Zoops but I'm counting on the meth. induced blood thickening and faster clotting (side effects of stimulants) will make that baby clot quickly and well.

I have the salt water on hand and can't help but worry about dry socket.

the dentist also prescribed antibiotics but I'm going to avoid them unless I absolutely have too.

so do you agree that meth may actually help here ?
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Anesthesia on September 08, 2015, 11:59:13 PM
thanks Zoops but I'm counting on the meth. induced blood thickening and faster clotting (side effects of stimulants) will make that baby clot quickly and well.

I have the salt water on hand and can't help but worry about dry socket.

the dentist also prescribed antibiotics but I'm going to avoid them unless I absolutely have too.

so do you agree that meth may actually help here ?

I have yet to have mine pulled but the day of the surgery is quickly approaching.

Why don't you want to take your antibiotics? 
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: OxyOpanaAlphaOmega on September 09, 2015, 05:33:08 AM
thanks Zoops but I'm counting on the meth. induced blood thickening and faster clotting (side effects of stimulants) will make that baby clot quickly and well.

I have the salt water on hand and can't help but worry about dry socket.

the dentist also prescribed antibiotics but I'm going to avoid them unless I absolutely have too.

so do you agree that meth may actually help here ?



No methamphetamine is a toxic deadly drug it helps with nothing, not a single thing
Sorry to be blunt but you tend to glorify meth like its a natural aid or some kind in a lot of posts; it's not at all

Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Chip on September 09, 2015, 05:59:49 AM
this site was built with meth.

it gives me the motivation and desire to pursue such tasks ... no way would I have attempted to work on computer systems like this (that i don't know well) now that I am out of a work environment.

you are right - to me, it's a wonder drug that enables me to produce much quality output so without meth, we wouldn't be here chatting now.

It's not toxic it's just a very potent stimulant that i use weekly ... with NO physical dependency.

yep, I love my opiates too but they always end up with me being chained to the drug, the clinic and my doctor.

so crystal meth it is ... you don't like being stimulated ? why not ? that rush of the dopamine release, in the short term, is bliss !
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Jega on September 09, 2015, 06:20:19 AM
No methamphetamine is a toxic deadly drug it helps with nothing, not a single thing

The makers of Desoxyn (Methamphetamine Hydrochloride) http://www.rxlist.com/desoxyn-drug.htm
Might have a thing to say about that.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Chip on September 09, 2015, 06:43:06 AM
No methamphetamine is a toxic deadly drug it helps with nothing, not a single thing

yes, your statement is a prejudiced one and reminds me of on old Methadone doc. that said the opiates were poison.

this is not an attack on you but your opinion isn't based on fact and is something that the media might say.

i understand what you mean because the drug is responsible for a lot of stupid, criminal behaviour but amphetamines DO NOT KILL like opiates do.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Diacetylmorphinefiend on September 09, 2015, 07:40:51 AM
I had mine out in 2008. All 4 where severely impacted so I was put under general anesthesia with nitrous and fentanyl and maybe versed? Then I was given 20 Demerol I had my mom call back 3 days later and was called in 30 10mg lortab. I ran through them super quick but I had a pretty fun 6 days. I remember being so high that I was having friends over to smoke bongs and play pool while my head was swelled like I got hit by a baseball bat.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: OxyOpanaAlphaOmega on September 09, 2015, 10:13:41 AM
No methamphetamine is a toxic deadly drug it helps with nothing, not a single thing

The makers of Desoxyn (Methamphetamine Hydrochloride) http://www.rxlist.com/desoxyn-drug.htm
Might have a thing to say about that.



Yes I am biased lost several good people to the drugs
But I'm not getting into semantics nor could I give a thought to what a drug company says; do you also believe only one percent of opiate users become addicted too, that is what Purdue says about OxyContin

Anyways meth causes damages to a users endocrine and your nervous system also changes the brain chemistry
It's not hard to see this happen in users
Does it have the same physical dependence as opiates maybe not, but it's addictive and a dangerous substance
No one can refute that who has seen the effects first hand

I'm not judging anyone and the use, do what you want to do.
But to me scripted 5mg methamphetamine is to ICE as pharm grade H is to BTH; it's not the same

The route of admin and dose changes the effects it has, that is undeniable

Like I said no offense should be taken, it's IMO
AND only imo
No big deal
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Jega on September 09, 2015, 10:25:51 AM
No methamphetamine is a toxic deadly drug it helps with nothing, not a single thing

The makers of Desoxyn (Methamphetamine Hydrochloride) http://www.rxlist.com/desoxyn-drug.htm
Might have a thing to say about that.


Yes I am biased lost several good people to the drugs
But I'm not getting into semantics nor could I give a thought to what a drug company says; do you also believe only one percent of opiate users become addicted too, that is what Purdue says about OxyContin

Anyways meth causes damages to a users endocrine and your nervous system also changes the brain chemistry
It's not hard to see this happen in users
Does it have the same physical dependence as opiates maybe not, but it's addictive and a dangerous substance
No one can refute that who has seen the effects first hand

I'm not judging anyone and the use, do what you want to do.
But to me scripted 5mg methamphetamine is to ICE as pharm grade H is to BTH; it's not the same

The route of admin and dose changes the effects it has, that is undeniable

Like I said no offense should be taken, it's IMO
AND only imo
No big deal


I, frankly, don't like stims. Don't use em, really. Have and wasn't impressed. But your argument is flawed. If we're saying small medical doses are ok but large ones are bad, I wonder what would happen if you took a couple grams of Prozac.

It happens to be some peoples drug of choice. I don't judge it and hope they don't judge my own.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Anesthesia on September 17, 2015, 08:25:48 AM
A little update - tomorrow is the big day. Insurance only covers two of my teeth so that's all I'm having taken out. 

Will update on what pills I receive. 

Here's a question though, how strict is the don't eat for 8 hours prior to surgery rule? I have a physically dependency to kratom and would like to take a few capsules to keep me feeling well before I get the anesthesia.  Will this be okay or is it a big no no?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Jega on September 17, 2015, 08:46:35 AM
Unless your going under general anesthesia (which you could be, people do, but you would know if you were going to be) the idea is don't throw up on your dentist.

If you can accomplish that still with your morning bagel, or your Kratom, you'll survive.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Sand and Water on September 17, 2015, 08:51:29 AM
A little update - tomorrow is the big day. Insurance only covers two of my teeth so that's all I'm having taken out. 

Will update on what pills I receive. 

Here's a question though, how strict is the don't eat for 8 hours prior to surgery rule? I have a physically dependency to kratom and would like to take a few capsules to keep me feeling well before I get the anesthesia.  Will this be okay or is it a big no no?

Thanks!

It depends on what type of anesthesia you're having--if its conscious sedation (you're awake, but getting gas & maybe a bit of versed), you can usually eat up to 4 hours prior.  If its full sedation where you're knocked out, the very closest I've ever seen is 6 hours prior to the procedure.

The reasons for this are the risk of aspiration with anesthesia. Even if one has had numerous procedures in the past w/no problems, nausea and vomiting is a really common side effect.   I don't know how much fluid you need with the capsules--if its just enough to swallow them; say a few ounces, you should be ok, BUT in the interests of Harm Reduction, I strongly advise you to not take it in combination with everything else you'll have in your system the day of the surgery.

There's been so little research on the ingredients and the risk of problems from poly-drug combo/interactions in this case appears fairly high. Good luck & I hope it all goes smoothly for you :)
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Anesthesia on September 17, 2015, 09:29:18 AM
I will be under full anesthesia.  1-2 grams of kratom would be enough to keep me well for the time that I am hooked up to an IV, which absolutely TERRIFIES me. 

Usually my kratom dose from the night before can hold me until 8:00am or so. I'll have to see.  I have to be at the office at 8:45 for check in.  Really its gonna be seeing how I feel tomorrow morning and if I am feeling sick and restless odds are I will take 1 or 2 grams to help calm down a bit..I'm sure this wouldn't have much effect but that is why I am asking you guys.   Thanks for the answers.  We will have to see what I feel like tomorrow morning. :-/  once I get that fentanyl through the IV it will be no problem haha :-)
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Anesthesia on September 17, 2015, 09:45:41 AM
A little update: the homie just came in and said he could get some 7.5 Percs. Would it be better to take these to feel well than use kratom the morning of the surgery?
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Taytoechip on September 17, 2015, 09:53:51 AM
A little update: the homie just came in and said he could get some 7.5 Percs. Would it be better to take these to feel well than use kratom the morning of the surgery?

Personally, Not even the same ballpark. No question.
But then again, i have no experience with kratom whatsoever
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Anesthesia on September 17, 2015, 09:58:38 AM
A little update: the homie just came in and said he could get some 7.5 Percs. Would it be better to take these to feel well than use kratom the morning of the surgery?

Personally, Not even the same ballpark. No question.
But then again, i have no experience with kratom whatsoever

I'm not using to get high tomorrow I just need something to make me feel okay while they're plugging me into the IV mostly and while I sit in the office waiting to go in for surgery.   Just to be clear. I think such a small amount of drug would be better too but am worried about the oxycodones ability to hinder the effectiveness of the anesthesia?
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Taytoechip on September 17, 2015, 10:03:12 AM
A little update: the homie just came in and said he could get some 7.5 Percs. Would it be better to take these to feel well than use kratom the morning of the surgery?

Personally, Not even the same ballpark. No question.
But then again, i have no experience with kratom whatsoever

I'm not using to get high tomorrow I just need something to make me feel okay while they're plugging me into the IV mostly and while I sit in the office waiting to go in for surgery.   Just to be clear. I think such a small amount of drug would be better too but am worried about the oxycodones ability to hinder the effectiveness of the anesthesia?

I wont lie, i submitted that reply prior to reading the entire thread.

Having no experience with Kratom though, i still stick with choosing the percs.
Though i have even less experience with anesthesia, So hopefully someone else can provide you with good solid information.

sorry  :-[
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Narkotikon on September 17, 2015, 10:06:33 AM
If I had to guess, they'll probably give you fent and versed.  A little oxycodone isn't going to severely interact with those.  Not at doses to just keep you comfortable.  I know you're not talking about getting high.  And even if it did affect the anesthesia, it would increase it's effects, not decrease them.  They're all CNS depressants. 

I've only done Kratom a few times (leaf and extract), but I noticed they caused me to have a nauseated stomach.  Fent and versed could also cause you to be nauseated.  I'd play it safe and stick with the oxy.  I'm saying this b/c I'm assuming opiates don't upset your stomach anymore. 

Hell, for me personally, opiates ease my stomach now.  I'm more likely to have an upset stomach without them.  As soon as I have opiates in my system, it calms down.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Anesthesia on September 18, 2015, 04:18:06 AM
Well, a little update for you guys

I made it through the surgery!  Feel like total horseshit, but I made it.

Ended up getting all four teeth pulled. We read the EOB? Wrong, turns out insurance completely covered all four teeth (thanks Obama!)

I took 1.5grams of kratom this morning when I woke up and did just fine with the anesthesia. No puking during the procedure and no nausea upon waking.  Felt fine while getting the IV, all was well.

They gave me 30 5/325 lortabs.  Not so bad I guess... Was hoping for percs since I was getting all four removed but no such luck.

All is well though. Still can't feel my face from the novacaine and its been 5 hours. Great.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Jega on September 18, 2015, 04:41:40 AM
Oh trust me wait 5 hours (probably not even that long) and you'll be saying what happened to the damn Novocaine!

Glad you're doing well. Don't fuck up for a day or two and end up with a dry socket. If you want to know how useless a 5/325 anything is let open air touch bone. Not fun. Neither is a dental abscess.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Riddick on September 20, 2015, 06:30:01 AM
I didnt get shit. When they took my brothers tonsils out, they just literally tied him to a chair and put a little bucket under the seat so he could spit out the blood and just did it. Must of been terrible.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Anti-hero on September 22, 2015, 02:39:23 PM
You know what with the prices
Dentist charge.
Straight up tell them
My tolerance for pain is just way too low
Do you know how much heroin I could get for the
Gillizon dollar co pay

I want my post opp script in my hand pre opp
N don't fuck around holms.
By the way I got anxiety of that chair too

How's that pool in the back of your house
Working for you now mister dentist

Some med evil pain for nsrko/Vicodin
And I'm paying for this
Where is the logic
It's not like the can script you enough to get a habit
And every one knows tooth pain is horrid.
I mean you couldld have 16 2mg dillys
Orally the about the same
Iv well that's another story
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Narkotikon on September 22, 2015, 05:47:27 PM
You know what with the prices
Dentist charge.
Straight up tell them
My tolerance for pain is just way too low
Do you know how much heroin I could get for the
Gillizon dollar co pay

I want my post opp script in my hand pre opp
N don't fuck around holms.
By the way I got anxiety of that chair too

How's that pool in the back of your house
Working for you now mister dentist

Some med evil pain for nsrko/Vicodin
And I'm paying for this
Where is the logic
It's not like the can script you enough to get a habit
And every one knows tooth pain is horrid.
I mean you couldld have 16 2mg dillys
Orally the about the same
Iv well that's another story


Yeah, I didn't have a habit after that 6-week dental trip.  But it definitely left me craving and wanting more.  I knew that might happen b/c I had gotten codeine / hydro pills and a lot of Tussionex at college prior to that.  But I didn't care.  I wanted to get high.  After that dentist stuff is when I got the bright idea of ordering pods.  Those AZ Purples definitely got me dependent, addicted, and in w/d.  Fun times but such a stupid decision on my part.  It all went downhill after that. 
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Riddick on September 24, 2015, 02:21:55 PM
Just get dry sockets on purpose. Solved.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Jega on September 24, 2015, 02:25:20 PM
Just get dry sockets on purpose. Solved.
You'll get your shot of 2mg of Dilaudid, and also an ER on call doc doing dental surgery.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Riddick on September 24, 2015, 02:27:18 PM
Just get dry sockets on purpose. Solved.
You'll get your shot of 2mg of Dilaudid, and also an ER on call doc doing dental surgery.
Are you meaning good or  bad?
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Jega on September 24, 2015, 02:33:13 PM
It is what it is. But it will hurt so bad you'll be heading to the ER and whatever happens happens.
Title: Re: Wisdom Teeth Removal
Post by: Riddick on September 24, 2015, 02:51:59 PM
It is what it is. But it will hurt so bad you'll be heading to the ER and whatever happens happens.
Lol.I guess good or bad would weather on whether your that hungry or not. Good info.
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