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Core Topics => Drugs => Cocaine => Topic started by: Tainted on April 03, 2016, 09:48:20 PM
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so, for as long as ive smoked (8-10 years, normally not that often) I've always had a problem with taking my hits. I pack a HUGE piece for my first rip, then medium size pieces (on the bigger side of medium) rest of night.
It could have something to do with my technique as far as lighting it goes, but ive had pros watch and say im doin it right, looks like im gettin plenty of smoke. not to mention, ive tried using less flame, more flame, etc.
but when it comes to setting the stem up, I'm almost certain I'm fuckin the chore boy up. last night, me and my boy got a dub and used a stem that was old and setup by someone else, got great hits, blew out tons of smoke.
Today, we each tried to to replace the chore on our stems. It doesn't seem like it's too tight or too loose, since we can inhale thru it fine. We also don't really see tons of resin dripping down the stem , so it seems like it is mainly staying in the chore.
Anyways, for years, it's like everytime i set up my own stem (and honestly sometimes even when i use other ppl stems) ill throw a decent piece on to a fat piece, ill hit it, and anyone watching can see the smoke going thru the stem and into my lungs, sometimes i even feel like im getting too much smoke, have to stop, and hand it off to a friend to clear whats left in it. I'll hold it for 5-30 seconds and I'll exhale either a real small bit of smoke to a mediocre amount, when I should be exhaling a big cloud (and I'm def not ghosting it.) I get a nice high, but a fraction of what it could and should be. I am not sure what the fuck I'm doing wrong, but when I do get excited and decided to spend money on it, I feel like I'm wasting it.
My technique varies, but i Inhale very lightly, only while the lighter is on it and for a second after I take the lighter off. I spin the stem in my mouth as I hit it (always keeping it level, never upwards once its melted, and very very rarely do i point the end downyard, VERY rarely). I do my best not to torch it, but it has been pointed out to me that i maybe torching it some of the time, because the resin on the glass past the chore can be black.
then i get the chore, i dont know how mcuh i use total, but i basically take it and crumple it up it a little bit longer than i want it and a little bit thinner, then i use a pusher to to push it to the end, and kind of block the end with my finger, so it just squishes down.
right now, after doing the push and smoking a bunch, the chore in my stem is about 3/4 of an inch. it is also pretty much at the end of the stem, like when i put a rock on top of it, if it wobbled sideways, it probably wouldnt touch the glass.
IF anyone has any clues as to why it seems like im getting a huge hit, you can see the smoke going thru the stem, but when i exhale (even if i did so immediately, although i hold it for a while) please let me know.
Ive googled how to properly make stems and they havent been helpful honestly.i dont know if its the chore or my lighting style, but the reason im thinking its the chore is i was with my boy today, he normally gets mosnter rips, but this time, with his new chore, he wasn't getting near the smoke he used to so.
So, if anyone has some suggestions, tips, criticisms (other than dont do that shit) it would be greatly appreciated. When I first started smoking, I used to get MONSTER rips, like bell ringers. now i im lucky if i get a small cloud of smoke and a mediocire hit off a huge rock
Sidenote: Does being on opiates (as in, a dose that gets you well, not high) lesen the effects of the coke? (even 6-8 hout) same goes with benzos. cant help but thinkit does dullit
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I've noticed that although being on opiates while smoking crack can be an awesome combination, it DOES tend to attenuate (lessen, that is) the high. Benzos even more, and it's not a good euphoriogenic combination like opies and coke.
There really isn't much of a "technique" to putting chore in the stem properly. Firstly, it shouldn't be too much. 3/4 of an inch is just about right. And it shouldn't be so tight you can't pull through it. It shouldn't wobble around and move all by itself either. Usually, I or people I smoke with will cut a small piece of chore off the pad, eliminate all the tiny pieces of copper "glitter," then push it in with a screwdriver. You are talking about the novelty glass tubes with the little plastic rose inside them, sealed on one end with a piece of sticky foil that you have to peel off, that they sell in gas stations right? (hashtag at #@ www.I need one rose and one chore please.com) The copper scouring pads that they sell in DC and NoVA are called "Jolly Dude" pads lol.
Only thing I can think of that might be fucking up your hits is that you're not letting the stem cool off between hits. I've found that although you still get a hit, if the rock melts onto and down into the chore when you put it on, that the hit isn't as good. I've been like "hurry the fuck up!" before waiting while someone is blowing on the stem, rubbing it in a Kleenex and shit before. Sometimes I wished that we had two stems going around at a time - one cooling and one being smoked on.
Damn this shit is making me feen like a motherfucker now.
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Lol I've never had a problem smoking crack... if the shit is good, you'll smoke it... and you get high. The only "trick" I've been taught is to burn the chore boy before packing it in... like burn it black. Probably just some crackhead shit but something something about burning the coating off or something.
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Lol I've never had a problem smoking crack... if the shit is good, you'll smoke it... and you get high. The only "trick" I've been taught is to burn the chore boy before packing it in... like burn it black. Probably just some crackhead shit but something something about burning the coating off or something.
choreboy has copper coating on it. you dont wana breath that shit in, its REALLY bad for you, so there is a VERY good reason to burn that shit off.
to the other replier, I always let stem cool down before taking another hit, its never so hot that it instantly melts.
maybhe my problem isnt the chore, maybe my problem is how much heat im putting on it, or how hard im inhaling or something. or maybe my lung acapacity is fucked. lately, when i cant inhale any longer (i stop inhyaling when flame isnt on it, for most part) and i suck gently, but after im done with my hit, its still smokin, normally can pass it to my boy and he can get a small hit without lighting it. go figuer
was hopin someone else expeirenced same problem as me, getting hits that should have been huge, but barelyt blowingout any smoke (regardlessof how long it was held down for)
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Burning the Brillo before packing it into the pipe makes a difference IMO.
Some peeps swear by this technique, Melt rock into the Brillo, hold lighter underneath Brillo and not directly onto Brillo. Push the Brillo through to the "wet spots" and repeat holdin flame underneath Brillo to vaporize. The key is to vaporize and not burn it. Hold flame as far away as possible.
Mr. Pooper Personal crack favorites...being constipated from opiates and taking a fat rock rip and having a bowel moment so fierce I have bloody shits.
Taking a metal tire gauge and gutting it so ur left with a metal stem. Get a wet sponge. After taking hits roll stem onto sponge to instantly cool the stem down.
Get thermo tape and wrap it around both ends of stem and never worry bout burning lips or fingers from over heating.
Get a bong for weed and get a bigger piece of Brillo than normal and shove it in the bong bowl. Load fat rock on top. TAKE FAT CRACK RIPS OFF A BONG....THAT RUSH.
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Mr. Pooper Personal crack favorites...being constipated from opiates and taking a fat rock rip and having a bowel moment so fierce I have bloody shits
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I had to quit smoking crack about 4-5 years ago, but this brought a smile to my face. What a feeling!
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Why is crack so much better than coke? I actually feel the high is more mellow.. like not as jittery... maybe because the way it's cooked cleans it up?
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Guts, that's part of it, and the fact that you are getting a massive amount into your brain really quickly smoking crack vs snorting powder
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You know you're in the right part of town when they have individual chore boys on the counter by the register :P
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You are also in the right place when all the cars parked in the area have the antennas broken off!
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Yeah I know that but... it doesn't even feel like the same drug...
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You reeeeeeeeally shouldn't use copper cho-boy, I heard that about metal weed pipes YEARS ago.
Get the steel shit.
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true.
copper gets everywhere ... I bought some green speed that had been made with copper piping.
avoid it where possible.
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I had the exact same problem from time to time when I would smoke as well. The EXACT same.
Once the quality of white and hard had gone completely to shit here, I started doing speedballs.
I must admit there is nothing quite like getting a shot ready, taking a fat rip, holding in the smoke while hitting said shot, then blow out the smoke.
R.I.P that awesome feeling.
:(
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I’ve had the same problem when I smoke crack. I have only done it maybe like 10 times but i always got shittier hits than my friends. I sucked at smoking blues too when that was a thing. My buddy and his brother went thru a crack phase and I would occasionally partake. I like it. It’s good but I gotta have opiates too and I rarely was willing to spare money on crack that could be spent on opiates. Now that I am scripted dilaudid tho I should have some extra money lol so maybe I’ll get a yard sometime here soon.
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You reeeeeeeeally shouldn't use copper cho-boy, I heard that about metal weed pipes YEARS ago.
Get the steel shit.
wHATCHU mean bout using the metal weed pipes?
Why not chore boy? Seems like most other brands of copper brillo glitter out super badly. Ive noticed chore boy doesnt seem to do that nearly as bad. Ive also tried steel and it didnt work very well. Maybe i should try another brand of steel ones?
I tried using weed wax health stone to no avail. felt wasted. Dab rigs were also pretty wasteful. Maybe i need to try another kind of nail.
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I'm so glad I found someone who not only has the same problem but has also followed all the same steps as I have to try and weed out the problem. I've had this issue a couple times, one of them being about an hour ago, hence why I found this post. Ive been a smoker for only a year, BUT the person who introduced it to me, who I still smoke with every day, is really knowledgeable. Everyone has their own preference, tricks, & what works for them, but there is a science to it. I've come to the conclusion its IMPOSSIBLE to get it down and perfect every time. Each time you smoke it's different, you gotta adjust how hard and long you hit/how much and long you hold the flame/ if you gotta rub out or pack the chore, it goes on.
Let me start off and say OP, just the fact that you're THAT self aware and knowledgeable about the 'science' of it, you will figure it out. I take pride in my ability to get the most out of my work by making and keeping a good stem.
The "perfect" stem is a glass rose stem with copper chore boy that has about 3/4 of an inch of chore packed down that someone smoked a 20 bag out of already. A NEW chore that you burn and put it, when you first hit ya can still taste it. Ew.
Anyways, had this problem earlier like I said. Took it out and tried adding more/less,burning it more, adding more work per hit, adding less work per hit, adjusting the time and distance of flame..and STILL. SHITTY ASS HITS. then I copped from a different dude, loaded a FAT hit just to get the chore primed up, and it was perfect again after that.
..so maybe it's just your quality?
Other than that, I just wanna add. Does anyone else "rub out" their chore? Use it for, let's say, a 30 bag. I take it out and rub it against each other to get out the black dust and residue ball it back up and pack it back down with a wooden chopstick. Perfect. If you're reading this, DONT CHANGE YOUR CHORE TOO MUCH. You dont have to! All that copper is horrible anyway so keep it to a min. Just try rubbing it out and adding a LITTLE BIT of new.(burned beforehand) chore, little by little to the old one.
Post Merged: October 27, 2019, 05:33:39 AM
I'm so glad I found someone who not only has the same problem but has also followed all the same steps as I have to try and weed out the problem. I've had this issue a couple times, one of them being about an hour ago, hence why I found this post. Ive been a smoker for only a year, BUT the person who introduced it to me, who I still smoke with every day, is really knowledgeable. Everyone has their own preference, tricks, & what works for them, but there is a science to it. I've come to the conclusion its IMPOSSIBLE to get it down and perfect every time. Each time you smoke it's different, you gotta adjust how hard and long you hit/how much and long you hold the flame/ if you gotta rub out or pack the chore, it goes on.
Let me start off and say OP, just the fact that you're THAT self aware and knowledgeable about the 'science' of it, you will figure it out. I take pride in my ability to get the most out of my work by making and keeping a good stem.
The "perfect" stem is a glass rose stem with copper chore boy that has about 3/4 of an inch of chore packed down that someone smoked a 20 bag out of already. A NEW chore that you burn and put it, when you first hit ya can still taste it. Ew.
Anyways, had this problem earlier like I said. Took it out and tried adding more/less,burning it more, adding more work per hit, adding less work per hit, adjusting the time and distance of flame..and STILL. SHITTY ASS HITS. then I copped from a different dude, loaded a FAT hit just to get the chore primed up, and it was perfect again after that.
..so maybe it's just your quality?
Other than that, I just wanna add. Does anyone else "rub out" their chore? Use it for, let's say, a 30 bag. I take it out and rub it against each other to get out the black dust and residue ball it back up and pack it back down with a wooden chopstick. Perfect. If you're reading this, DONT CHANGE YOUR CHORE TOO MUCH. You dont have to! All that copper is horrible anyway so keep it to a min. Just try rubbing it out and adding a LITTLE BIT of new.(burned beforehand) chore, little by little to the old one.
Edit: I didnt mean "it might just be your quality" as in only good work produces a lot of smoke & only shitty work will give you no smoke, or even the other way around. It could be good OR bad and be made a bit improperly to give you no smoke. Just a guess that was though, it ended up being what my problem was. Heh.