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Core Topics => In the Media => Topic started by: corlene on November 14, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-west-delray-doctor-painkillers-verdict-20151112-story.html#navtype=outfit
Sorry can't copy and paste the whole article, I'm sitting in the er right now. It's worth a read tho!!
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1,590 30s is a 30 day supply??? Ugh. Yes please. Wonder what happened to that patient after the doctor was arrested.
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That's just one patient. He's being charged in a separate cases with manslaughter and murder. The guy mentioned in the report testified at the trial. He's seeing other doctors to treat his pain.
This doctor in the article had hundreds of patients that received similar scripts. There's a shit ton of doctors still issuing scripts maybe not as large, but way over any therapeutic index.
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1,590 30s is a 30 day supply??? Ugh. Yes please. Wonder what happened to that patient after the doctor was arrested.
lol...............
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1,590 30s is a 30 day supply??? Ugh. Yes please. Wonder what happened to that patient after the doctor was arrested.
lol...............
how could somebody even metabolize that much binder/filler in over 40 30s per day? that many 30s u'd need to use a soup ladle to start eating them.
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I gather he was selling alot of these pills. At one point though, I'd start off my day by drinking a bottle of oxyfast (600mg) I know people who had absolutely massive oxy habits tho, we're talking multiple grams everyday.
At the time you could support yourself financially aswell as your habit and all your friends habits by visiting a couple of doctors a week.
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1,590 30s is a 30 day supply??? Ugh. Yes please. Wonder what happened to that patient after the doctor was arrested.
lol...............
how could somebody even metabolize that much binder/filler in over 40 30s per day? that many 30s u'd need to use a soup ladle to start eating them.
I dunno but I'd give it a try. As corlene says, one could sell a bunch and still have plenty left for personal use: one for you, two for me.
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It's insane to me that these doctors are so obvious in what they're doing..all that schooling and no common sense..
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Almost all of these doctors aren't so squeaky clean, most have their licenses suspended in other states, or have completed the term of sanctions handed down by the florida board of health from prior offenses.
Many of them have already technically retired from practice. They still hold their golden ticket tho, their medical license allowing to work so called part time without having to take C ME courses or anything,
There's a psychiatrist who can't even write his own scripts due to parkinsons his nurse does. The fucker can't even see! He will write you whatever u want for 75 dollars a script. Well his nurse will write you.
I've been to pill mills where the doctor uses a rubber stamp to "write" the script. It's got the dosage and use instructions already in the rubber transfered with its ink and just uses a swiggley line as a signature . Writing so many scripts a ray he can't 3 en be bothered to write out the full script himself. He's still writing those scripts too, or we'll stamping them.
It's a shit show down here, has been since these clinics first opened around 99.. after 2010 it's calmed quite a bit, but aslong as you seek you shall receive
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Fuck me, it's bloody hard to find a Dr who will even prescribe fucking Tramadol. I mean, I get morphine but only 20x 30mg every 21 days. Fark, I would love a Dr who gave me carte blanch wrt to pill scripts. I think our health dept is just too uptight. IIRC they're even trying to phase out xanax.
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Come on down this way, I'll guide u in the right direction lol... just gotta read the newtimes.
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Wow over 40 oxy 30mgs a day would suit me fine...I would love to get some pills that the insurance pays for, I think enough time has passed since my turbo bitch of a pain doctor gave me the boot..I must be the most unlucky pain clinic patient after reading these stories. I got shown the door after I failed my first and only drug test for WEED! I have a list of very valid pain issues but that devil weed doomed me!
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Corlene,there's a book called "American pain" by John Temple. You should check it out.
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Nick,
Someone from the board here hooked me up, I have been to this clinics mentioned, and the pharmacy they had in ft lauderdale.. those guys were straight ass holes.
The pill game is still strong here just your spending 25 to 30 for a dilaudid 8 or oxy 30.
I don't know many people who can maintain on that. Heroin is getting huge here, in the suburbs even, couple years ago it was all palm beach and miami.
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1,590 30s is a 30 day supply??? Ugh. Yes please. Wonder what happened to that patient after the doctor was arrested.
lol...............
how could somebody even metabolize that much binder/filler in over 40 30s per day? that many 30s u'd need to use a soup ladle to start eating them.
LMAO!!!!!
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@corlene, if i recall (which after the marathon day today i might not, so apologies), was it you that posted about FL not having PMPs? That would explain a big part of the sideways sort of prescribing (tho it happens to a smaller extent when PMPs are required too) for sure!
And boy are you right about multi state licensure, revocation etc. The level of "white coat hiding" is huge. If anyone's curious, many states have this info on pharmacist, RNs, LPns, nurse aides, dental hygienists, massage and so on. Often, it takes several months for the info to show up, but it IS accessible & viewable by the public.
Interestingly the ONE group exempted from the public being able to access info on complaints, probation, license revocation in its entirety is MDs. I think this is a longstanding perk thats still in place from the good ole "doctor is God" & the AMA had tremendous power days. But just my .002 theory ;)
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I may have said it before 2010 when they put em in place, I think it was around september, don't quote me on that tho... and these docs thst are still doing it are dirty as fuck, they get away with it and it's mostly a cash only business.
I definitely know thst there is a pmp, but doctors and pharmacists are not required to take a peak at certain docs, or the drug seekers.
Some states require you to look at the record. I've gotten the chance to look myself up, it's pretty neat.
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@corlene, if i recall (which after the marathon day today i might not, so apologies), was it you that posted about FL not having PMPs? That would explain a big part of the sideways sort of prescribing (tho it happens to a smaller extent when PMPs are required too) for sure!
And boy are you right about multi state licensure, revocation etc. The level of "white coat hiding" is huge. If anyone's curious, many states have this info on pharmacist, RNs, LPns, nurse aides, dental hygienists, massage and so on. Often, it takes several months for the info to show up, but it IS accessible & viewable by the public.
Interestingly the ONE group exempted from the public being able to access info on complaints, probation, license revocation in its entirety is MDs. I think this is a longstanding perk thats still in place from the good ole "doctor is God" & the AMA had tremendous power days. But just my .002 theory ;)
Au contraire, if I am not mistaken- you can find info like that on Pro Publica, I believe. Also the Dept. of Professional Regulation
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@Wildcat-- I did not know that. That's awesome! If so, that eliminates a LOT of tine-consuming digging (& hit/miss info) for patients! K, have learned *2* new things today-- thanks :)
ETA--sorry if I wasn't clear re:states' websites-- in NYS it's the Office of the Professions; drawing a blank on PEnnsylvania. Curious now, Wildcat are you referring to a National site or a State one?
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@Wildcat-- I did not know that. That's awesome! If so, that eliminates a LOT of tine-consuming digging (& hit/miss info) for patients! K, have learned *2* new things today-- thanks :)
ETA--sorry if I wasn't clear re:states' websites-- in NYS it's the Office of the Professions; drawing a blank on PEnnsylvania. Curious now, Wildcat are you referring to a National site or a State one?
Propublica.org is national
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Propublicia is not up to date, take a look. And the pmp reports information on pharmacists who dispense the crazy amounts. Also information on everyone who receives a schedule 4, 3, 2.
Propublicia is great if you want to see the doctors old habits and old office Info.
Many of the top prescribers in florIda for 2012 are in jail, on probation, lost their license, shit some even committed suicide. The info for Florida is actually 2013, not 2012 sorry.
Professional regulation? Maybe this: https://appsmqa.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASLIST.ASP
You can search for the licensed pain management places in there too^^
I really wish we could share the names of these doctors. You think the guy in the original post is bad, imagine him but only writing for fentanyl products
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@Wildcat-- I did not know that. That's awesome! If so, that eliminates a LOT of tine-consuming digging (& hit/miss info) for patients! K, have learned *2* new things today-- thanks :)
ETA--sorry if I wasn't clear re:states' websites-- in NYS it's the Office of the Professions; drawing a blank on PEnnsylvania. Curious now, Wildcat are you referring to a National site or a State one?
Propublica.org is national
Yes. I knew Pro Pub was national; I was referring to the Dept. of Professional Regulation. Is it national as well? If so I should know this lol, but honestly, when accessed, it's always been for extreme situations (like patient abandonment/abuse or malpractice that was covered up by organization).
ETA: geesh sorry im more tired than i realized--meant to convey was a rare situation that I had to access.
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I know this is an old post but I was reading about pill mills and this thread came up on google. I can vouch for what corlene said. It’s not how it was back pre2011 due to the database you can’t doctor shop , but there are definitely doctors who will still prescribe what you want. They usually only take cash or credit. I can vouch for this first hand that it is still true in 2017, I don’t wanna get any more specific than that. And like corlene said the pill game is still very strong just expensive now. Since people can’t doctor shop that has really cut down on supply but they’re not gone by any stretch of the imagination. One thing I’ve noticed in my area at least is there is less oxycodone and more dilaudid now. I think oxycodone specifically has been demonized from all the press it got. Fine with me dilaudid is wayyy better imho.
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It's kind of a real 'No shit Sherlock' as to why Heroin has become huge in the US again, and so have (mainly illicit) Fentanyl analogues. ???
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The doctor that testified on his behalf just got raided by the DEA about a month ago in my neck of the woods. He should've seen that coming when he testified that he didn't see anything wrong with writing 50+ roxies a day to one person.
It's on the news pretty much every night and they've said that some of his patients are testifying on his behalf. It's BS that they go after doctors so much just 'cause they're easier to bust 'cause they have a paper trail a mile long since everything is controlled and regulated and monitored.
If you got that many roxies a day, you could sell 'em for $30 each and make $47,700 a month and $572,400 a year! I think I'd sell my roxies and go to the closest 'done clinic so that I could make over half a million a year just by going to one doctor once a month. U wouldn't even have to leave your house to sell 'em either unless you wanted to so nobody would know where you lived.
Hell, I'd even buy a kilo of the purest dope I could find or an ounce or two of the purest fentanyl or carfent I could find and still make $300-500k a year depending on how pure the H was and how much it costs. Damn, I'd LOVE to have that script and I don't even like roxies. I'd continue working and make $650k a year! Then, I could retire after a few years and just go to the 'done clinic and get on 200mg's a day and take bars with it.