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Title: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Narkotikon on October 01, 2015, 02:34:05 PM
I saw parts of this on MSNBC on Rachel Maddow last night.  Today I saw it on Comedy Central's news / satire shows. 

Were those douchebags ever going to let that poor woman speak?  They were asking questions then constantly cutting her off.  I loved how she asked "can I answer the question?"  She should have given them an eye roll too. 

Then that fucking idiotic chart.  Um, that's not how charts work Republicans.  There wasn't a Y-axis.  And the numbers were flipped.  Not to mention the chart was made by a right-to-life / anti-abortion group.  Like their statistics aren't ever skewed.   ::)   

I think this is fairly obvious to anyone with a brain: this was simply a hate trial of Planned Parenthood.  In order to get attention for anti-abortion causes, and to get abortion made illegal.  Those panelists were a lynch mob.  They weren't interested in the truth. 

And that guy who said her apology was like a criminal's was an asshole.  I think he might have been the same guy who said "you wouldn't expect us to treat you better b/c you're a woman, would you?"

Even the female Republican.  "You don't really need all that money, do you?"  Sure, b/c they're just taking Medicaid money to pocket.  They don't really provide services.  Only (evil) abortions!   ::)   

Anyone else have any thoughts? 
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: jdub on October 01, 2015, 03:57:56 PM
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 02, 2015, 01:04:30 AM
I watched this on CSPAN after work

I like how the democrats ask her policy and fiscal questions
and most republicans lead off with abortion
the one guy asking "what does PP do in the event a baby survives the abortion"
he was hilarious
"Uuhhhhh, to my knowledge, that has never happened at PP,
but the child and mother would receive medical care"
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: monkawat on October 02, 2015, 01:54:13 AM
I saw parts of this on MSNBC on Rachel Maddow last night.  Today I saw it on Comedy Central's news / satire shows. 

Were those douchebags ever going to let that poor woman speak?  They were asking questions then constantly cutting her off.  I loved how she asked "can I answer the question?"  She should have given them an eye roll too. 

Then that fucking idiotic chart.  Um, that's not how charts work Republicans.  There wasn't a Y-axis.  And the numbers were flipped.  Not to mention the chart was made by a right-to-life / anti-abortion group.  Like their statistics aren't ever skewed.   ::)   

I think this is fairly obvious to anyone with a brain: this was simply a hate trial of Planned Parenthood.  In order to get attention for anti-abortion causes, and to get abortion made illegal.  Those panelists were a lynch mob.  They weren't interested in the truth. 

And that guy who said her apology was like a criminal's was an asshole.  I think he might have been the same guy who said "you wouldn't expect us to treat you better b/c you're a woman, would you?"

Even the female Republican.  "You don't really need all that money, do you?"  Sure, b/c they're just taking Medicaid money to pocket.  They don't really provide services.  Only (evil) abortions!   ::)   

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Yeah- this was handled poorly and many pro-life groups are in fact skewed and hateful in their approach, methods of activism, and ideologies (religious extremists) but that doesn't mean they all are. I for one am very grateful that the group that secretly recorded these planned parenthood doctors and high level executives was able to capture that shit on video.

This is one area I definitely do side with the republicans on. I generally despise a vast majority of general conservative/republican ideologies and viewpoints on various social issues- but I cannot support federal funding for an organization like PP.

Also- on the abortion issue- Has anyone seen the netflix available documentary called "After Tiller"? It is very interesting and generally heinous (the acts performed by these "clinics"- ie late term, partial birth abortions- all the way up to 8.5 months in one instance...) thing to watch. Solidified my view on partial birth, late term abortions and how wrong I feel it is.

I know I'll likely get bitched out and heavily flamed for these views of mine posted on here for all to see- but I don't understand why we have to federally fund a place that does abortions? Why can't we just support a different organization that only provides comprehensive (minus abortions) women's healthcare like PP claims to primarily do. I know that only 3-5% of their work is abortions- but that's still a LOT of abortions...
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 02, 2015, 02:38:29 AM
TIME FOR A FAT INJCTION OF FACTS!

1) Planned Parenthood is REIMBURSED by medicaid,
2) they DO NOT recieve ANY funding to perform abortions from the government
3) the roughly $60 million the receive in discretionary funding is invested back into expanding services


I guess we should just go back to rusty coathangers
and while were at it, defund WIC too
these stupid mms should have thought about feeding their child bfofe getting pregnant
amirite?!
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: monkawat on October 02, 2015, 03:06:14 AM
TIME FOR A FAT INJCTION OF FACTS!

1) Planned Parenthood is REIMBURSED by medicaid,
2) they DO NOT recieve ANY funding to perform abortions from the government
3) the roughly $60 million the receive in discretionary funding is invested back into expanding services


I guess we should just go back to rusty coathangers
and while were at it, defund WIC too
these stupid mms should have thought about feeding their child bfofe getting pregnant
amirite?!

I know they do not receive fed funding specifically FOR abortion. My issue is simply that an organization that performs them at all should be privately funded and not receive any federal money.

Solely invested back into "expanding services"? Bullshit. A company as unethical as this one allocating their funds in a proper and totally honest way? Fat chance.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Opus on October 02, 2015, 03:28:50 AM

Yeah- this was handled poorly and many pro-life groups are in fact skewed and hateful in their approach, methods of activism, and ideologies (religious extremists) but that doesn't mean they all are. I for one am very grateful that the group that secretly recorded these planned parenthood doctors and high level executives was able to capture that shit on video.

lol @ 'secretly recorded' that video is complete bullshit! It's pure propaganda, aka FICTION and entirely misleading.

Just wow.

Mad props to Cecile Richards for pwning those fools who sit there and LIE.

Fact is, if guys could get preggers, this all would be a non-issue. This is about nothing more than some macho assholes trying to put women in 'their place.'

Basic health care should be a right, for everyfuckingbody (ya, pregnant women included).

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Jega on October 02, 2015, 03:48:41 AM
Also I like to try and stay out of the abortion debate as I don't have a uterus and yes I think that matters but let's not forget pregnancy isn't a zero sum game. People die in child birth.

@monkawat, those videos are trash. Just trash.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: jdub on October 02, 2015, 04:11:11 AM

Yeah- this was handled poorly and many pro-life groups are in fact skewed and hateful in their approach, methods of activism, and ideologies (religious extremists) but that doesn't mean they all are. I for one am very grateful that the group that secretly recorded these planned parenthood doctors and high level executives was able to capture that shit on video.

lol @ 'secretly recorded' that video is complete bullshit! It's pure propaganda, aka FICTION and entirely misleading.

Just wow.

Mad props to Cecile Richards for pwning those fools who sit there and LIE.

Fact is, if guys could get preggers, this all would be a non-issue. This is about nothing more than some macho assholes trying to put women in 'their place.'

Basic health care should be a right, for everyfuckingbody (ya, pregnant women included).

Word. That video is complete and total bs. The republicans claim that they're just good christians, but they love to attack the poor and powerless among all manner of other hateful shit.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: razor girl on October 02, 2015, 08:02:24 AM
I saw parts of this on MSNBC on Rachel Maddow last night.  Today I saw it on Comedy Central's news / satire shows. 

Were those douchebags ever going to let that poor woman speak?  They were asking questions then constantly cutting her off.  I loved how she asked "can I answer the question?"  She should have given them an eye roll too. 

Then that fucking idiotic chart.  Um, that's not how charts work Republicans.  There wasn't a Y-axis.  And the numbers were flipped.  Not to mention the chart was made by a right-to-life / anti-abortion group.  Like their statistics aren't ever skewed.   ::)   

I think this is fairly obvious to anyone with a brain: this was simply a hate trial of Planned Parenthood.  In order to get attention for anti-abortion causes, and to get abortion made illegal.  Those panelists were a lynch mob.  They weren't interested in the truth. 

And that guy who said her apology was like a criminal's was an asshole.  I think he might have been the same guy who said "you wouldn't expect us to treat you better b/c you're a woman, would you?"

Even the female Republican.  "You don't really need all that money, do you?"  Sure, b/c they're just taking Medicaid money to pocket.  They don't really provide services.  Only (evil) abortions!   ::)   

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Yeah- this was handled poorly and many pro-life groups are in fact skewed and hateful in their approach, methods of activism, and ideologies (religious extremists) but that doesn't mean they all are. I for one am very grateful that the group that secretly recorded these planned parenthood doctors and high level executives was able to capture that shit on video.

This is one area I definitely do side with the republicans on. I generally despise a vast majority of general conservative/republican ideologies and viewpoints on various social issues- but I cannot support federal funding for an organization like PP.

Also- on the abortion issue- Has anyone seen the netflix available documentary called "After Tiller"? It is very interesting and generally heinous (the acts performed by these "clinics"- ie late term, partial birth abortions- all the way up to 8.5 months in one instance...) thing to watch. Solidified my view on partial birth, late term abortions and how wrong I feel it is.

I know I'll likely get bitched out and heavily flamed for these views of mine posted on here for all to see- but I don't understand why we have to federally fund a place that does abortions? Why can't we just support a different organization that only provides comprehensive (minus abortions) women's healthcare like PP claims to primarily do. I know that only 3-5% of their work is abortions- but that's still a LOT of abortions...

The anti abortion folks are liars and tools.  Do you really want another million kids that people don't want and can't afford to bring up running around?  Seriously?  I don't know about you but I live in a city and we got plenty of those already and it ain't pretty.  Fuck this religious BS, Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, STFU and obey it.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Jega on October 02, 2015, 08:25:30 AM
The anti abortion folks are liars and tools.  Do you really want another million kids that people don't want and can't afford to bring up running around?  Seriously?  I don't know about you but I live in a city and we got plenty of those already and it ain't pretty.  Fuck this religious BS, Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, STFU and obey it.

Preach sister!
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: monkawat on October 02, 2015, 08:43:34 AM

Yeah- this was handled poorly and many pro-life groups are in fact skewed and hateful in their approach, methods of activism, and ideologies (religious extremists) but that doesn't mean they all are. I for one am very grateful that the group that secretly recorded these planned parenthood doctors and high level executives was able to capture that shit on video.

lol @ 'secretly recorded' that video is complete bullshit! It's pure propaganda, aka FICTION and entirely misleading.

Just wow.

Mad props to Cecile Richards for pwning those fools who sit there and LIE.

Fact is, if guys could get preggers, this all would be a non-issue. This is about nothing more than some macho assholes trying to put women in 'their place.'

Basic health care should be a right, for everyfuckingbody (ya, pregnant women included).

Other than the context they attempted to place it under when posting and proliferating it- how is it purely fiction? Perhaps you think of their message and utilization of said video as sheer propaganda makes it partially "fictional" in that regard- but these ARE planned parenthood medical directors on video and this stuff isn't all taken out of context- the setup is painful at times by those posing as potential fetal tissue purchasers but the replies are pretty clear regarding the subject matter at hand.

And I know you are supportive of a single payer system a la Bernie Sanders viewpoints man. Don't think I'm against some of those aspects of that kind of system.

I feel like a broader emphasis on contraception as well as sexuality related harm reduction strategies could serve a good purpose to help cut down on unwanted pregnancies in general.


Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Opus on October 02, 2015, 08:57:48 AM

Yeah- this was handled poorly and many pro-life groups are in fact skewed and hateful in their approach, methods of activism, and ideologies (religious extremists) but that doesn't mean they all are. I for one am very grateful that the group that secretly recorded these planned parenthood doctors and high level executives was able to capture that shit on video.

lol @ 'secretly recorded' that video is complete bullshit! It's pure propaganda, aka FICTION and entirely misleading.

Just wow.

Mad props to Cecile Richards for pwning those fools who sit there and LIE.

Fact is, if guys could get preggers, this all would be a non-issue. This is about nothing more than some macho assholes trying to put women in 'their place.'

Basic health care should be a right, for everyfuckingbody (ya, pregnant women included).

Other than the context they attempted to place it under when posting and proliferating it- how is it purely fiction? Perhaps you think their message and utilization of said video as sheer propaganda makes it partially "fictional" in that regard- but these ARE planned parenthood medical directors on video and this stuff isn't all taken out of context- the setup is painful at times by those posing as potential fetal tissue purchasers but the replies are pretty clear regarding the subject matter at hand.

Dude that video is a total chop job, it's entirely manipulated in order to push an agenda and based on your posts in this thread, I'm not convinced you're working with *facts*.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: monkawat on October 02, 2015, 09:01:38 AM

Yeah- this was handled poorly and many pro-life groups are in fact skewed and hateful in their approach, methods of activism, and ideologies (religious extremists) but that doesn't mean they all are. I for one am very grateful that the group that secretly recorded these planned parenthood doctors and high level executives was able to capture that shit on video.

lol @ 'secretly recorded' that video is complete bullshit! It's pure propaganda, aka FICTION and entirely misleading.

Just wow.

Mad props to Cecile Richards for pwning those fools who sit there and LIE.

Fact is, if guys could get preggers, this all would be a non-issue. This is about nothing more than some macho assholes trying to put women in 'their place.'

Basic health care should be a right, for everyfuckingbody (ya, pregnant women included).

Other than the context they attempted to place it under when posting and proliferating it- how is it purely fiction? Perhaps you think their message and utilization of said video as sheer propaganda makes it partially "fictional" in that regard- but these ARE planned parenthood medical directors on video and this stuff isn't all taken out of context- the setup is painful at times by those posing as potential fetal tissue purchasers but the replies are pretty clear regarding the subject matter at hand.

Dude that video is a total chop job, it's entirely manipulated in order to push an agenda and based on your posts in this thread, I'm not convinced you're working with *facts*.

I suppose I'm not entirely...I really don't know a lot about this subject beyond some very basic research into the videos and PP allocation of title x and medicaid funding. What am I missing that has been edited out or otherwise chopped to further their agenda/leave out the reality of those convos?

I guess I just let my personal views muddy the waters regarding those videos they put out. I tend to take things at face value sometimes- a flaw of mine you could say... I really didn't intend to start any shit about this whole thing- I allowed my recent experience with that After Tiller movie piss me off and cloud my analysis of the Center for whatever it's called's videos.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Opus on October 02, 2015, 09:18:37 AM
Google brother, it's all out there.. If you have something specific to talk about, ok, but I ain't gonna write a thesis on everything that's wrong with that BS. I'd be here all night, but the bottom line is that video is pure propaganda.

dailykos.com has a ton of good info, and the comments are frequently even better than the articles.

Here's Cenk weighing in:


Fact is, Planned Parenthood PREVENTS MANY MANY more abortions than they have anything to do with.

How can anyone argue with that?
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: monkawat on October 02, 2015, 09:33:01 AM
Google brother, it's all out there.. If you have something specific to talk about, ok, but I ain't gonna write a thesis on everything that's wrong with that BS. I'd be here all night, but the bottom line is that video is pure propaganda.

dailykos.com has a ton of good info, and the comments are frequently even better than the articles.

Here's Cenk weighing in:


Fact is, Planned Parenthood PREVENTS MANY MANY more abortions than they have anything to do with, and that's the whole point behind their reproductive health programs, to minimize unwanted pregnancies.

How can anyone argue with that?

Interesting. I think that a lot of their practices are in fact highly questionable though. For instance- I don't like their one day D&E abortions. It is done solely for the purpose of profitability, not for the sake of the woman's health and comfort pre-procedure.

A study found that "Routine use of misoprostol as an alternative to osmotic dilation prior to second-trimester D&E is not recommended due to increased risk of inadequate cervical dilation. Buccal or vaginal misoprostol use may be considered by experienced clinicians in lieu of osmotic dilation early in the second trimester (before 16 weeks) in women at low risk for cervical or uterine injury."

That chick in those videos named Mary Gatter said that her clinic only uses a one-day method of cervical dilation for second trimester D&E (Dilation and Evacuation) abortions. Even a 16 week D&E doesn’t get laminaria to dilate for a day prior. That shaves some time off the whole ordeal which lets the abortion be completed in a single day, even when it's a second trimester abortion. But women often have really severe stomach side effects when they don't have the advantage of laminaria prep.

I know that seems trivial in the long run for a group that does hundreds of thousands of abortions every year- but I think they need to re-examine a lot of their practices. I know they'll claim budgetary or physician time related constraints as the justifications behind some of their procedures, but sometimes women who are already choosing this traumatic procedure deserve a little comfort.

I don't agree with most abortions outside of rape, incest, or maternal health/survival instances and certainly am against 2nd and G-D forbid late term abortions- but I still believe all women going through with it deserve proper medical and emotional respect and treatment. I know my views are unpopular here and that I usually side with most of y'all on social issues- but I am fairly grounded in my stance on abortion in general. Safe access may indeed be a necessity- but I just don't know about PP as the deliverer for that access.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Opus on October 02, 2015, 09:44:27 AM
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I don't agree with most abortions outside of rape, incest, or maternal health/survival instances

..and I don't agree with people who project their ethics.

If you want to quote medical opinion could you also provide the source?


An article from dailykos on funding of PP:

An answer to the GOP Planned Parenthood Question

by leevank

At today's hearing on the supposed "investigation" of Planned Parenthood, several GOP members of Congress harped on Planned Parenthood getting something like 41% of its funds from the government. They decried this fact, and mentioned the thousands of charitable organizations that would love to get significant government funding, but didn't do so. Of course most of those organizations don't perform services that the government reimburses regardless of whether they're performed by a charitable organization or a profit-making business. But at least one of the Republicans went further, and asked Cecile Richards whether she knew of any other charitable organizations that received such a high percentage of their funds from the government. At least in the part of the hearing I watched, she wasn't able to answer that, but with a little bit of research on the internet, I can provide at least a partial answer:

Catholic Charities: In 2010, Catholic Charities received approximately 62% of its funding from government sources.  http://www.nytimes.com/...

Catholic Relief Services: Catholic Relief Services receives 46.7% of its funding from government sources. http://www.charitynavigator.org/...

Although others may feel differently, I have no problem with these Catholic organizations receiving government funds for providing needed services, even though I'm not a Catholic and fundamentally disagree with some of their positions. It's just too bad that Republicans in Congress seem unwilling to extend similar tolerance to Planned Parenthood when it provides needed services, simply because they disagree with some of the other things it does without government money

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/30/1426092/-An-answer-to-the-GOP-Planned-Parenthood-Question

EDIT: please source this?
Quote from: MW
Interesting. I think that a lot of their practices are in fact highly questionable though. For instance- I don't like their one day D&E abortions. It is done solely for the purpose of profitability

I don't believe for a second that PP is cashing in on some quickie abortion scheme, honestly that smells kinda funny to me.

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: monkawat on October 02, 2015, 09:48:03 AM
http://www.contraceptionjournal.org/article/S0010-7824%2807%2900419-2/fulltext

That is the medical journal you wanted sourced.

The sheer fact that they utilize the D and E procedure at ALL is worrysome. But look into PP's packets they provide for these D and E abortions. They never mention anything but the miso.

Their D and E track record is pretty shoddy- Check out the wrongful death suit related to a woman named Tanya Reaves, who died via hemorrhaging resulting from a botched d and e abortion at a chicago area PP.
--------------------------------

This is one of those topics that tends to go nowhere fast as folks don't tend to change their views on stuff like this. I'm not gonna continue on for the sheer sake of conflict and argument. Nothing positive will come out of it.

Take it easy chops



Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Opus on October 02, 2015, 10:07:02 AM
I can't really see much in that article (or the opinion) that's terribly relevant to this discussion, and again, I have big doubts that PP is operating anything like a for-profit quickie abortion factory.

If I cared enough I could run that D&E opinion by a retired OB/GYN nurse who ran a maternity ward at a major hospital for years and years, but I'm not gonna do that, and even if she agreed with you, I don't think that would overshadow the good that PP is doing nor the truth about this crackpot "investigation."

The notion that D&E is done purely for profitability is what I'd like to see sourced.

edit: this is direct from that article:
"Because D&E is safe, cost-effective and efficient, it is the most common means of second trimester elective abortion. In 2003, more than 98% of all second-trimester abortions in the United States were performed by D&E "

%98, but you disagree that PP does this?

So where do you suggest someone go who's 19 and has no other options?

Maybe there's just a teeny little bit of bias there??

c'mon..

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: monkawat on October 02, 2015, 10:12:31 AM
I can't really see much in that article (or the opinion) that's terribly relevant to this discussion, and again, I have big doubts that PP is operating anything like a for-profit quickie abortion factory.

If I cared enough I could run that D&E opinion by a retired OB/GYN nurse who ran a maternity ward at a major hospital for years and years, but I'm not gonna do that, and even if she agreed with you, I don't think that would overshadow the good that PP is doing nor the truth about this crackpot "investigation."

The notion that D&E is done purely for profitability is what I'd like to see sourced.

I never said D & E was done purely for the sake of profit- but rather the lack of a more comfortable prep method for that procedure.

I don't really care what a retired OB nurse thinks about it- a physician who performs abortions would likely be the best authority figure on that- but it doesn't matter really, i also don't care enough to worry about it. There's a doctor who performs abortions that goes to my synagogue- but people like that might not  like to just strike up random convos with people about abortion methods or what they do for a living anyways....

I don't like or support PP. You and everyone else on the forum do support em. It's a moot point now.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Opus on October 02, 2015, 10:24:47 AM
I can't really see much in that article (or the opinion) that's terribly relevant to this discussion, and again, I have big doubts that PP is operating anything like a for-profit quickie abortion factory.

If I cared enough I could run that D&E opinion by a retired OB/GYN nurse who ran a maternity ward at a major hospital for years and years, but I'm not gonna do that, and even if she agreed with you, I don't think that would overshadow the good that PP is doing nor the truth about this crackpot "investigation."

The notion that D&E is done purely for profitability is what I'd like to see sourced.

I never said D & E was done purely for the sake of profit- but rather the lack of a more comfortable prep method for that procedure.

I don't really care what a retired OB nurse thinks about it- a physician who performs abortions would likely be the best authority figure on that- but it doesn't matter really, i also don't care enough to worry about it. There's a doctor who performs abortions that goes to my synagogue- but people like that might not  like to just strike up random convos with people about abortion methods or what they do for a living anyways....

That retired OB nurse has a Masters and more experience on the maternity floor than many MDs. I could go on, but it's about as far beside the point as this quote:

Quote
For instance- I don't like their one day D&E abortions. It is done solely for the purpose of profitability

is BS, and it definitely is exactly what you wrote.

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: thetalkingasshole on October 02, 2015, 11:40:38 AM
As a trump supporter
I only support abortion in the case of immigrants
trying to give birth to anchor babies

AND ID MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT!
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Narkotikon on October 02, 2015, 01:58:53 PM
Monkawat, I realize you're not a member here anymore, and that you can't respond to this, but...

I thought 3rd trimester abortions were illegal.  I'm not sure if that's a Federal law, or a state-by-state law. 

In any case, abortion is a woman's right.  Roe v. Wade allowed women a way out of potentially harmful situations: raising an unwanted child, women who've been raped or the victim of incest, women who are too young or who feel they're not up to the challenges of motherhood, etc. 

I don't agree with abortions being used as a primary means of birth control.  I'm against a hypothetical "get ten, get one free" card.

But I do think abortion should be continued and allowed.  In every state, not just certain ones that perform these services b/c conservative states design laws to effectively curtail the right to abortions.  Things like making a woman drive hours / days to a different state.  That type of thing isn't only impractical, it's financially impossible for a lot of women. 

And yes, if men could get pregnant, I think this would be a nonissue.  I'm sure men would be all over that type of "get out of jail free card." 

I like you and agree with a lot of your opinions.  I'm also saddened you had to leave.  I hope you'll return eventually.  BUT I vehemently disagree with you on this topic.  I don't believe Planned Parenthood provides abortions for a profit to pocket. 

I've not seen the video you saw about officials and board members acting inappropriately.  But I don't believe it to be true.  I'm sure it was planned as a right-to-life ploy.  And if it is indeed illegal, I highly doubt PP provides 3rd trimester abortions. 

I don't think their mission statement includes breaking the law. 
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: jdub on October 02, 2015, 02:42:40 PM
Why is he not a member anymore?
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Z on October 02, 2015, 08:26:59 PM
I think this is intentionally confusing a few issues.

On one hand abortion.  Such a charged issue with both sides feeling very much in the right and very emotionally involved.  You can disagree without making someone feel bad about their views.

On the other hand there is biotech companies sourcing stem cells from 'medical waste.'  Don't get mad.  I'm not going to list all of the sources.

In the modern rules for sourcing stem cells without growing them like the Chinese do, western biotech firms are turning to medical waste.  It seems like a better use of it then the garbage dump/incinerator to me, but I understand the outrage.

Umbilical cords are often saved or sold post birth for the special cells in them.  The issue is really biotech research, and supplying source materials and ethics.  Twisting it all together just provokes gut emotional responses.  Medical tests on the poor babies.

Shame on the people that made that video, even more so because they knew exactly what they were doing.
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: _Enduser on October 03, 2015, 07:24:35 AM
Yeah an incinerator or a fucking commemorative born fast asleep video is much better

Why hasn't this been brought up yet? 



Abortion is essential to women's health.  I can't believe a bunch of junkies don't see through this pro life deal, and the baby brain harvesting video is like, so much more brazen than the ACORN agit-prop vid (if that was even possible), I can't believe anyone really believes this shit anymore.

BTW:  Some context on the video above, is that this was originally created and posted by the parents of "baby jayden", born "fast asleep" (jesus christ wow just wow).  So the choice of awesome early 2000s bassline is purely theirs.  The original vdieo got like millions of hits then was taken down (i wonder why....))  So is using human tissue for research more reverent than that "baby" being in some of the most widely derided videos on the internet that ISN'T fake?  Don't get it twisted.  It's not even a baby, shit needs to be born alive to be a baby.  Everyone has it backwards on this shit.  Why aren't the Republicans up in arms over that gross ass baby jayden shit?  Those necro black lips make me wanna puke.

The first time I saw this video I was coming up really hard on mushrooms and then I was laughing hysterically and then vomiting everywhere
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Narkotikon on October 03, 2015, 11:09:40 AM
Does anyone know the deal on third-trimester abortions?

Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Jega on October 03, 2015, 11:20:27 AM
Does anyone know the deal on third-trimester abortions?
9 states and D.C are no restrictions on abortions , but Third trimester abortions are only available when the life of the mothers is at stake [outside of state regulations] in the vast majority of the country already.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/18/us/politics/abortion-restrictions.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Hearing (i.e., Trial)
Post by: Narkotikon on October 03, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
Does anyone know the deal on third-trimester abortions?
9 states and D.C are no restrictions on abortions , but Third trimester abortions are only available when the life of the mothers is at stake [outside of state regulations] in the vast majority of the country already.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/18/us/politics/abortion-restrictions.html?_r=0

Thanks.  I never knew if it was a Federal law, or a state-by-state law. 
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