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Title: cigarettes
Post by: DiacetylKineval on June 19, 2016, 03:59:16 AM
I fucking love cigarettes man who here also loves stogs
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: sk8phaze on June 19, 2016, 05:11:11 AM
its a love/hate relationship

dead sober i really have no craving for them

but when drinking, with buprenorphine running thru my system,

 and weed, and diazepam and even caffeine. Either of those

psychoactive substances will make me wanna smoke.

my worst habbit is i put out my ciggs before they get to the filter

so when im broke and the pack run out i smoke the remaining

tobacco out of my weed pipe. gives a nice lil buzz actually.

But horrible for your lungs unfiltered or not, and it makes my

weed pipe taste like tobacco when smoking pot and friends complain

boo hoo. idk

all the cigg talkings got me in the mood for that nico-tine-o!

Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: puppy on June 19, 2016, 12:12:11 PM
I smoked for 25 some odd years...3 1/2 yrs ago I switched to vaping...haven't picked up an analog cigarette since...I had a chronic smokers cough that drove me nuts...it was gone in a matter of weeks...but I loved my cigarettes...nothing better than coffee and a cig...
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Bambee49 on June 19, 2016, 03:01:05 PM
I love cigeretts when I'm high but now that I'm not I really don't smoke like I used to. It was nothing for me to smoke a whole pack in 2 hrs when I was fucked up but now a pack can last 2 or more days. Plus I started vaping too like 7 months ago so that helps but even when I got high the vape didn't cut it.

But seriously when I was getting high it had to be full flavor I felt like the menthol taste fucked with my drip from the dope. Anyone else like that??
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: DiacetylKineval on June 19, 2016, 03:52:51 PM
If im bumming im not too good for a menthol, but ive always preferred full flavor. I try to fight it but I seem to be averaging a pack every 6 hours whether drunk high or sober(relatively)

Gotta have a cig after a bowl of bud or joint whatever, of course after a shot, and certainly in rapid succession while drinking.

But on opies fuggetaboutit, i just never ever stop smoking
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: x1x1 on June 21, 2016, 03:24:31 AM
Yup but gotta quit ASAP wish me luck fuckkk
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on June 21, 2016, 08:27:31 AM
i noticed that on the times i use methamphetamine, i lose the desire to smoke altogether.

handy feature but probably wouldn't work for people who use meth daily and of course, for when it wears off.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Nagelfar on June 21, 2016, 03:42:32 PM
i noticed that on the times i use methamphetamine, i lose the desire to smoke altogether.

handy feature but probably wouldn't work for people who use meth daily and of course, for when it wears off.

Indirect dopamine agonists have been studied for their ability to promote smoking cessation in some people. For example, the phenyltropane cocaine derivatives: https://www.google.com/patents/US6479509 (https://www.google.com/patents/US6479509)

*However* I had an ex-GF who 'quit' smoking, and would only pick up a cigarrette thereafter when on coke.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Zoops on June 21, 2016, 07:14:10 PM
I smoked my first cigarette at about age 12 or so. From then to about age 21, it was a on again, off again type thing. Like in college I would always have a pack but it would last me several days. At age 36, when I got divorced, was when I began buying a pack a day, and have smoked a pack a day since then, stopping for a few years while I was in the joint. Recently, since I got out the joint, in December 2012, I switched to menthols. For a long long time it was always Camel lights, or "blue" as they call them nowadays. Now, I smoke Camel Crush menthols. They have a little capsule in the filter that you can snap and it delivers MORE menthol satisfaction.


I had a much-needed dose of PST about two hours ago, and am right now puffing on a Camel "Crush" menthol.

NICE.

When I'm on some amphetamine or cathinone-like stimulant or coke, I smoke. When I nice and opiated, I smoke. When I'm not, I smoke. I try to vape a little bit, but I still smoke on top of that.

One other thing I'll add:

I'm fortunate to live in Virginia, where a pack of smokes is (along with Missouri) the cheapest in the nation - a pack of my beloved Camels is $5.41 at the store across the street. That same pack costs $11.00 and change in Chicago where I just returned from.

(I'll post a synopsis of that visit tomorrow probably - it wasn't the greatest time in the world. My friend turned out to be in total junkbox mode full tilt boogie and was extremely immature and contrarian. But meeting Dizzle was cool).
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on June 21, 2016, 07:30:55 PM
Zoops, I smoke methods through a tar filter.

have done so for years.

Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: MoeMentim on June 21, 2016, 07:51:21 PM
Started smoking at 14, rolling my own since 18.  I get that stuff that's marketed as "pipe tobacco" but isn't, way cheaper than bugler which is my go-to if I can't get to a tobacco shop.  Two bags of four-aces & a pack of bugler papers costs me less than five bucks and lasts me about a week, the pack of papers lasts through 6 bags so really, about 4 bucks a week.  I mostly vape when not drinking, but lately have been drinking every night, so...
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on June 21, 2016, 08:12:19 PM
{snip}

lately have been drinking every night, so...


@MoeMentim, try not to drink every night ...just some friendly advice from a concerned member.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Zoops on June 22, 2016, 06:48:08 AM
Yeah - What Chipper said. Drinking is for the birds. I haven't touched a drop since 29 November 2015. As for other various and sundry substances - that's a whole 'nother story.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Opiophelia on June 22, 2016, 07:07:56 AM
i quit smoking in January and I never thought I could do it. But I got really into vaping. I had to make it my hobby. You know how addicts can be.... I had to replace that addiction with one that tasted better, was better for me, and offered me a hobby. Now I build the fancy, artistic coils that some of you may see on Instagram and elsewhere. My mod and atomizer collection has grown to ridiculous proportions in just six months. You know, if you're gonna do something, might as well go all out!


Smoking is dead and vaping is the future!......(unless the FDA fucks it up for us)
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Daughter of Dionysus on June 23, 2016, 09:20:48 PM
That first cig in the a.m.
Is so fucking good

And the one
Right after a meal
Just seems like
A meal isn't complete without

I smoke
Marlboro black 100's
Sometimes 1 pack
Will last
1&1/2 days
But if I'm high
I can smoke 3 packs a day

When I was in college
I smoked
Camel non-filter
No one ever
Asked to bum a cig 😝
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on June 23, 2016, 09:32:21 PM
Never forget that tobacco kills us more readily than illicit drug use.

less is more lifespan.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: DiacetylKineval on June 23, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
Untrue. Tobacco has more stats from killing longterm users per year, yet has a vast majority of users compared to the death ratio. There are many, many alternatives to death, that one has many years to make the decision about. And even if one decides to die using tobacco, their quality of life may only suffer in the last few years. But an overdose can kill one at a moments notice. Being strung out and insane can lead one to make decisions their soul may regret. Speaking personally, i have enough anxiety and mood swings, that even thinking about quitting has led me to horribly self destructive moods/decisions. Once i was so worried about the longterm effects of smoking that i tried to cold turkey tobacco by using a bunch of methadone pills. And i cant even recall the amount of times that nicotine withdrawal while using other drugs lead me to intense mania, whether i was attempting an honest quit, or simply ran out of cigarettes.

Im not suggesting that everyone deals with the same mood swings i do, or that quitting is a bad thing. But i believe that in alot of cases tobacco is the lesser of evils, can assist with the removal of other addictions, and can be survived after decades of use, unlike many other substances.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: dizzle on June 24, 2016, 12:19:04 PM
vaping is so much better. It tastes better, it's healthier, and cheaper. I haven't smoked in years, and I vape all the time. Honestly, cigarettes taste/smell like shit to me now. I can't believe I used to smoke.



That being said, it sounds like the FDA is going to fuck vaping up something fierce, within 2 years. Big tobacco and the FDA are old pals, and there's too much money that's not going to them, and instead going to small businesses that actually care about their cutomers and their craft, the FDA and big tobacco can't have that. They want the $$, and they want to make sure they kill all the small businesses that are doing so well under the umbrella of this new-ish industry. America, the land of big businesses that have incestual relationships with federal agencies, all obsessed with greed while having ZERO regard for welfare of it's people. But yeah, god bless the USA, lol.... The USA is disgusting nowadays, I wish I didnt' live here.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Zoops on June 25, 2016, 05:16:00 AM
Yeah, Dizzle, you're right, the USA has some pretty grimy shit going on these days, what with corporate and government cronyism, but where else would you live?

Personally, I'd love to at least visit Namibia or maybe South Africa to see if I'd like to live there. Second choice would be Costa Rica, but it's getting expensive there because of so many US and European ex-pats.

You know, big tobacco has the opportunity to make some big bucks off vaping, by just producing the products themselves. Shit, the nicotine that's in the e-liquid is extracted from tobacco, not synthetically produced, AFAIK.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Opiophelia on June 25, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
There are a few companies making "TFN" Tobacco Free Nicotine in vg/pg form. I prefer the TFN e-liquids... They have a better taste. But @dizzle is right. The FDA will ruin vaping. Their new Pre Market tobacco application process is ridiculous and will kill off over 90% of current vape companies. And that's what they want.

What I don't understand is why big tobacco doesn't get try to make mods, and atomizers, and tasty e-liquids. Vaping is an $8 BILLION (yes billion) per year industry. They want a piece of that but don't want put in the R&D to create novel new vape products. Instead they continue to make their shitty cig-a-like e-cigs that don't work to help people quit. At least for me, I wasn't able to quit cigs til I found a good sub-ohm setup and good e-liquid I wanted to vape all the time. Anyway I could ramble on for days. I'm passionate about this stuff. I was more than halfway thru the process to buy a vape shop when the FDA regs came down. Kinda ruined my 5 year plan 😕
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on July 13, 2016, 11:11:31 AM
I once gave the cigs up for quite a few months but now i am still smoking and really want to give them up.

I have lots of time to get bored and restless and this triggers the  desire to smoke.

I plan to give them up really soon but what upsets me is the damage already done.

it's the most addictive substance i have ever come across.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: DiacetylKineval on July 14, 2016, 10:55:14 PM
chip, the absolute worst thing you can do to yourself is worry that youve done too much damage to yourself from past smoking. nothing is gonna lead to pick up another pack faster. personally, I believe that the negative effects of typical addictive drugs are highly propagandized, that time can heal, and even something as intangible as positive thinking and visualization of health can help. If youre going to subscribe to a life view that damns you, why care about quitting in the first place?
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on July 14, 2016, 11:37:29 PM
DiaK, my grandfather died from smoking at 54 and I just feel guilty. With Heroin I never felt any guilt whatsoever and with tobacco we have confronting and scary anti-smoking ads on TV.

at least I can try to cut down but I love a smoke.

All these addictive drugs create a need where previously none existed prior.

a single cigarette is harmless and that's part of my problem ... at $30 a packet of cheap 40's it's cutting into my Meth bill, too  :P
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: puppy on July 15, 2016, 12:42:04 AM
$40.00 for a pack? As in 20 cigarettes? Good grief...that's close what a carton (10 packs) cost ...give or take...when I quit several years ago...that's insane...but then again I've heard that in New York it's close to $20.00...

Chip you need to give vaping a try...if you find the right set up, you'll wonder why you didn't try sooner...
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on July 15, 2016, 01:09:03 AM
I tried vaping but it cost too much for a decent device so I limped on using a cheap one and then gave up on the hassle.

That's a packet of 40 but regular cigs cost about $25-30 for 25. I think we pay the highest prices in the world and it's all tax that supposedly pays the hospital bills of sick smokers.

I do intend on revisiting the vases.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: puppy on July 15, 2016, 02:40:54 PM
Initial set up can be pricey...finding the right set up can be frustrating...but after I finally got it all straight...I buy e-liquid (4 ounces) maybe every 4 or 5 months (i just use the same flavor) and replacement atomizers about the same 4 or 5 months...and that costs me a little over $100 giver take... I use a simple set up...I know a lot of people really get into it making their own coils and use box mods...I just wanted easy and I swear the day I got it I never picked up a regular cigarette again...I had smoked for over 25 yrs and had a horrible smokers cough...that went away in 2 weeks...and I've only had 1 cold in over 3 yrs...


Add...I had started one of the quit smoking apps...I just checked it...since I quit smoking

I haven't smoked 50,960 cigarettes
Saving $ 13,249.00....of course this isn't figuring in what I spent on ecig supplies...
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Zoops on July 18, 2016, 08:30:30 AM
Since I've been courting this lady, I've been very conscious of how nasty and gross smoking tobacco is. It makes your fingers smell bad, breath bad, and makes me cough up grey-colored phlegm. (as an aside, when I was smoking that EVIL Spice/K2 shit, my phlegm was BLACK! -  gross!)

So, after this pack is gone (there are five left) - I've been smoking Camel crush menthols lately, I'm going to try and vape exclusively. It's just that a "break" at work isn't the same puffing on a vape pen as it is on a real cigarette.

I don't even know if she knows I'm a smoker. Because I've never smoked around her.

I told her last night that I'm a recovering alcoholic, after her revelation that she is recovering from anorexia. I sure can pick 'em can't I?
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: 6-mam on July 20, 2016, 06:29:04 PM
I just switched to stuffing my own tubes, actually thanks to moementum up there making the idea of how much money I could save roll around in my head for a wile, and now I'm spending .85 a pack. about 24-25 dollars a month. I can't fucking believe it.

And they taste way better then the cheap ciggs I've been smoking. I'm buying a brand called American Club, you can get it for as little as 10 dollars a pound online. it makes about 2 cartons.

But I'm sick of all this propaganda making us feel guilty for smoking. It's ridiculous. Do we feel guilty driving cars? Making a fire to keep warm? Yea we should be concerned about our health, But I'll be goddamned if it's anyone elses business. I understand Australia has universal healthcare so society feels like they're having to pay more because people smoke, but what about anything else that's a danger to your health? Do you shame people for rock climbing? For swimming in the ocean? No those things are viewed as healthy and natural, but they carry real danger. As does just getting in your car everyday to go to work, not to meantion affecting other peoples health, and that of your childrens childrens children. I guess they do on some levels, but no where near as with tobacco.

I fully understand the risks involved, my mom has copd from smoking. She can barely breath, it's sad, but it was her choice to smoke. She still fucking smokes, even with me pleading her not to. But it's her choice and i'm not going to shame her because of it. That's just wrong.

Chipper, is it like america there where they tax pipe tobacco differently? The reason I'm paying .85 a pack vs, 3.38(which is the cheapest at my local smokeshop, but they're a little expensive) is largely tax.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Dopeless Hopefiend on July 20, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
I've been smoking since I was 13 and I'm now 40, so almost 2/3 of my life. I've tried quitting, usually half-heartedly. I do have a vape pen, which I like a lot but I've found that I just turned it into my indoor/car habit & still smoke cigarettes on top of it. The vape tastes way better, etc but I still crave regular cigs too. The e-liquid I usually buy is only 6mg nicotine, so maybe if I started buying the 12mg strength I would have more luck putting the cigarettes down.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: 6-mam on July 20, 2016, 08:30:46 PM
Omg I'm a dufuss, It's actually 1.08 a pack not .85. I failed to realize I'd need two boxes of tubes per pound of tobacco.

Vaping just never did it for me. I tried to like it, I really wanted to, but it just cant replace my smokes. I'm not just addicted to nicotine, it's the whole ritual, the feel, the smell, its just a comfort thing. I love my cigs. Vaping just isn't nearly as satisfying.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on July 20, 2016, 10:00:08 PM
6M, they tax all tobacco products heavily in Australia.

They soon predict that a packet of regular cigarettes will cost $40 in Australia - the price always goes up and it really stops you from smoking much.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: corpus striatum on July 22, 2016, 05:53:54 PM
I often think that its not fully appreciated how powerful nicotine is to so drastically pervade and corrupt many aspects of ones thought patterns, but in a way which bypasses full conscious inspection. This really becomes apparent once one is unchained from nicotine in all its forms, with the good old cigarette being the most pernicious of the modes of delivery. The hit is pretty crap when one is not addicted; it lacks the bells and whistles that come with the other drugs which rival it in it's ability to hook the user, and yet its claws run deep. Once well entrenched in the habit, the hit matures as the relief from withdrawal it offers becomes more worthy. For me, nicotine exceeds opiates in terms of addiction potential.

For those seeking freedom from nicotine I had excellent results with a compound called Cytisine  , branded as Tabex, which allowed me to quit cigarettes and NRT and, more importantly, has allowed me to get to the point where I have no cravings since completing the 25 day course, and I am respectfully conscious of what a powerful agent nicotine is. Varenicline aka Chantix is a derivative of cytisine; pretty remarkable stuff IMO.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: bonedust on July 22, 2016, 07:29:17 PM
^^^My husband tried Chantix once and had night terrors or something close--he would wake up and start freaking out thinking I was trying to kill him, lol. It's funny now.
I don't know about anyone else but I was just happy enough to see Corpus posting. So informative. :)
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: Chip on July 22, 2016, 09:09:06 PM
Yeah I agree. That was a great post said this smoker.

I plan to stop smoking after I stop the Methadone as I have done before.

I was doing really well but picked up smoking when I started to go on breaks with my colleagues after starting a new job.

I guess there is little chance of that happening as I can't find work anymore.
Title: Re: cigarettes
Post by: DiacetylKineval on August 03, 2016, 09:51:44 PM
It could be genetics, my whole family smokes or dips. But in my early days of smoking, there was probably more bells and whistles to a cigarette hit than anything ive ever had. God help me if a drug ever comes out that can give me that feeling without such a rapid tolerance to subjective effects.

I also agree with the guy that said vaping just doesnt cut it. I will say that ive quit for 3 months before on two occasions. One i was in an an institution. The other time was due to vaping. But i still went back, and ive stopped caring about quitting since then(i was only 22, it was more due to an unrealistic obsessive health kick than actual concern) and ill never waste money on that shit again. It doesnt cut it as a replacement, and if i truly want to quit its too similar to smoking for me to ever stop dancing back and forth and lighting up
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