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Core Topics => Treatment, Recovery and Rehabilitation => Topic started by: Thoms on September 21, 2015, 04:21:58 PM
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Fuck man. Im sick as fuck trying to quit, broke as shit, tears running down my face from pain. I just took more lope and like 5 er six mg of k pin. Ive gone from shooting 180 to 210 mgs of morphine (with some big ass barrels lol) down a good long way but dope sick is dope sick. I think i just needed to get that out. It just sucks to pay that piper when you know you have to stop hell youve known it for prolly 8 months. . thanks for listen.
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Just keep up with the comfort meds as best you can and try to wear yourself out so that sleep may come easier. I may be telling you stuff you already know but I didnt know what else to say other than good on you mate, I admire anyone who has the willpower to withdrawl voluntarily.
I hope it gets easier soon my friend!
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Sure you've heard it all before and been here before but good luck man. Paying the piper is right but try to keep your mind occupied as best you can. Pod casts always helped me since I didn't even want to look at a TV. Listening to YouTube pod casts is my go to...Joe Rogan etc. you got this.
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I have nothing great to add here except that I have been there many, many times and the pain is horrible! I feel for you and wish I could take away the pain! Hang in there! I admire your strength...I just said fuck it and ran to the clinic! I hope the sickness eases quickly!
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@Thoms
Man I really hate to hear that.Do you have anymore comfort meds
Have you tried to add a little robotussin(sic)
That helps was just talking to head this morning
About you and andi
Because of the marriage post
I wish I could swoop in and save the day I would.
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Thanks guys i was just frantic last night hurting times 100. Plus knowing i got worse to go through made it hard. Yeah my and Andi just bought a bad ass car together. The joke was thats like a marriage for two divorced people lol
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I would also use tylenol or another anti inflammatory med to help with the hot/cold sweats and some of the pain. It definitely helps, it's not as good as clonidine but it is better than nothing. Also flexeril and gabapentin are good for some people, if you can get your hands on any of those. I have heard flexiril(cyclobenzaprine) can make it worse but it always made it better for me and helped me sleep. I know you probably don't want to eat or can't hold anything down but things like chocolate, vitamins, and bananas help a little bit also. Good luck and I hope your getting near the end of it, hold strong and keep your eye on the prize. If you do end up using again don't even take half of what you were taking before people don't realize how fast tolerance drops but even after a day your tolerance drops quickly.
Griffin
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Yeah i was eating soma like tic tacs. Flexaril is worse than wds for me with the pain it causes. 800 mg ibp.s are on board. Yeah the tolly drops are great. We will be careful though for sure. Fuck i miss morphine lol. That image of pulling up through the cotton just relays in my head. Ive kicked a lot but this is the first time kicking the rigs too.. That obviously adds to it. I wanted to bang anything last night but thought better of it thankfully.
Oh yeah hero i got lope and some benzos., nsaids, no more soma though. If we had the money an order from mu would be on the way. But we are addicts so money isnt something we normally have
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Have you tried to add a little robotussin(sic)
Adding a LOT works much better.
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I hope you pain passes quickly.
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Try to keep in mind that any progress, is progress. You can't always eat the whole banana in one bite, sometimes it takes a few tries, but every bite counts..
'luck with it.. I'm on the slower version of the same ride, once again.
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The 100mg abg gods smiled on us so hopefully it doesnt set me back to far. I know it will but the fight to get is still there.
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Thanks jega bro. Not really my type of music but i since the sincerity of it across the net and thats what matters. A lot of failures happen. But today we start again. 9.5 hours and we start again. Much love.
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I was totally serious about the dextromethorphan.
Dissociative anaesthetics wont make the wd's go away, but they will make YOU go away.
I've used DXM, Methoxetamine, Methoxydine (4-meo-pcp - the best one IMO).
Even Ether.
Going to the dentist just to get some relief with the nitrous and leave this hell of a physical world for a little while.
I've even used compressed air propellant when my legs were at their worst.
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Lyrica is another great one for opiate withdrawal. I didn't feel anything when I was on like 200-300mg q 6 h.
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Lyrica is amazing for withdrawals! Just be careful...use it only short term bc it can cause some horrible withdrawals itself. Just use it for a week or so during the worst parts and then taper it down also.
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I actually prefer gabapentin/neurontin to pregabalin/lyrica.
Walking out of rehab they wrote me a script of 600mg 4x a day, so ive got a nice supply.
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I am sorry you have to go through it, but as you said, it's an inevitable part of the game. I am putting together a "quit kit" myself. I have some gabapentin, etizolam, kpins, a tiny bit of Xanax, and one Robaxin (methocarbamol), which I have heard very good things about. A lot of people claim that Robaxin takes away the RLS and clammy / crawly skin sensations, which sounds wonderful! So I'd really like to find a few more.
Clonidine seems to be the go-to WD aid. Do you have the luxury of getting a prescription? Low doses are effective, so one script MIGHT cover both of you. DXM was also recommended to me, although it's already been mentioned. Another good suggestion was phenibut (thanks, Nark) which can be had at some local supplement stores. It's likely cheaper online; from the minimal price research I've done, it seemed quite affordable. However, I am not sure whether you have a few bucks to spare. The phenibut may help you sleep if you're habituated to benzos and without Z drugs.
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Everyone and their mother will recommend Clonidine. Clonadine is a α2 adrenergic agonist and imidazoline receptor. aka. it's not what you need to help. Will it relax a normal person? Sure. Will it relax someone in w/d's in my experience not a chance. It's one of those drugs that's better then nothing but it's not what you want. Lyrica is useful but again not the best. I'd vote for Gabapentin. When it comes to unscheduled comfort meds I can't think of one better. I have 4g in me right now (don't do that unless you know what you're doing).
Really, Gabapentin is your winner.
Unless you can get a lot of benzo.
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Everyone and their mother will recommend Clonidine. Clonadine is a α2 adrenergic agonist and imidazoline receptor. aka. it's not what you need to help. Will it relax a normal person? Sure. Will it relax someone in w/d's in my experience not a chance. It's one of those drugs that's better then nothing but it's not what you want. Lyrica is useful but again not the best. I'd vote for Gabapentin. When it comes to unscheduled comfort meds I can't think of one better. I have 4g in me right now (don't do that unless you know what you're doing).
Really, Gabapentin is your winner.
Unless you can get a lot of benzo.
Right, but some people experience moderate to severe blood pressure spikes during CT WD and occasionally during properly planned drops (in the case of a taper). I imagine the clonidine is recommended to have on hand to prevent dangerous spikes. Blood pressure issues run on my father's side of the family, so I (personally) would be more comfortable kicking with a tried and true med within reach. Of course, an accurate BP monitor should be used at regular intervals and blind dosing should be discouraged. Taking it when it's not called for can cause BP dips which bring on dizzy spells and light-headedness upon standing.
But BP spikes aside, I agree with gabapentin FTW! I agree that clonidine likely won't offer much (if anything) in the way of comfort and sleep.
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Everyone and their mother will recommend Clonidine. Clonadine is a α2 adrenergic agonist and imidazoline receptor. aka. it's not what you need to help. Will it relax a normal person? Sure. Will it relax someone in w/d's in my experience not a chance. It's one of those drugs that's better then nothing but it's not what you want. Lyrica is useful but again not the best. I'd vote for Gabapentin. When it comes to unscheduled comfort meds I can't think of one better. I have 4g in me right now (don't do that unless you know what you're doing).
Really, Gabapentin is your winner.
Unless you can get a lot of benzo.
Right, but some people experience moderate to severe blood pressure spikes during CT WD and occasionally during properly planned drops (in the case of a taper). I imagine the clonidine is recommended to have on hand to prevent dangerous spikes. Blood pressure issues run on my father's side of the family, so I (personally) would be more comfortable kicking with a tried and true med within reach. Of course, an accurate BP monitor should be used at regular intervals and blind dosing should be discouraged. Taking it when it's not called for can cause BP dips which bring on dizzy spells and light-headedness upon standing.
But BP spikes aside, I agree with gabapentin FTW! I agree that clonidine likely won't offer much (if anything) in the way of comfort and sleep.
I didn't consider the BP spikes if it runs in your family. This is why family history is important in medicine. I would probably go with propranolol but clonidine could work too.
But again, Gaba FTW! I'm up to 11.4g (again don't do that) It's going to be a long night.
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Fuck christ thats a lot of gaba. Yeah we have bottles of that. Ill give it a shot. I might have a calcium channel blocker blood pressure aid but i dont think that will hel. I can get my temazepam in a day or two. As always im continuing low dose lope. And tic tac.... Er no those are k pins. Btw id go with soma over robaxin. Well that just might be because i like soma a lot. Lol
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Fuck christ thats a lot of gaba. Yeah we have bottles of that. Ill give it a shot. I might have a calcium channel blocker blood pressure aid but i dont think that will hel. I can get my temazepam in a day or two. As always im continuing low dose lope. And tic tac.... Er no those are k pins. Btw id go with soma over robaxin. Well that just might be because i like soma a lot. Lol
Yeah and i've taken more since then but let's leave numbers out of it. I do like my Gaba. And I agree Soma over robaxin. Hell Soma is C4 in some states for reasons passing understanding if gaba is unscheduled. Personally I'd skip the channel blocker unless you feel you need it. And that temazepam is going to help more then anything. But give the gaba a shot. If you've never taken it before like this start with 900mg. You wont hurt yourself. For some perspective i'm prescribed 1200mg 3 times a day. Do I take more then that? Sure. But i'm nuts.
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On the subject of GABA (not GP!) dosages, with no current tolerance for any benzo or GABA agonist, I went through 90 750mg GABA in about 4 days last week. That's a lot even for me, but it's what I needed to keep the jeebies away after 2-3 days eating small amts Xanax during a bad week earlier in the month.
I usually eat 4-6g at a time, sometimes a little more. The shit definitely helps WD, I get little to nothing else but an easing of benzo WD symptoms (and this lovely prickly feeling on my neck & scalp when it kicks in), but to me it's priceless for benzo WD, nothing else helps outside of moar xnx.
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Yeah temaz helps i ate like 6 kpins before work plus work so my bigest issue is back pain. I juSt want out of this shit. Subs are tempting but ive got atleast one herniated disc so i dont want them on my medical paper work. Ve got good medical insurance but id have to suck doc dick to get a reasonable script for my tolly. Getting clean and rid of tracks come first hand
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why are you not on some form of maint. therapy ?
you need to get off that bloody train because it goes nowhere nice and quickly.
please consider MMT or Bupe.
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Lying in my plastic bed
thinking how things were so cool to me
my baby likes to shoot pool
I like laying naked in my bedroom
tying on the dinosaur tonight
used to be so cool
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Chipper and tta hit the nail on the head. Its a hard train to get off. Trust me ive been trying. Subs are a serious thought. But i cringe at having that on my record. I need to do something. Right now im dope sick at work and cant wait to go home and put my last two morphine in my arm. The two from this am held me okay for half a day. I toy with the idea of pm but thats what kind of got me here to start with. Its a bitch. Im 30 years old sticking needles in my arm and i hate it as much as i love it. There just isnt any good answer. God 76 degrees feels like 40....
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Two questions for you. Sorry you're in WD but thought I'd ask you....will at least give you something to do!
You ever try tianeptine? I haven't but have read a lot about it and how it's useful for WD. Anyone?
How do the 30mg morphine compare to the 4mg dilaudids?
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Go easy on the dextromethorphan, I ramped up my use lately to quell the remains of w/d and it spiked my BP to the moon....I had a doc appointment earlier in the week and damn near rang the bell when they took my pressure. I was going to ask her for some IR oxycodone and a shot of midazalom to help settle my nerves, but thought better of it. Bad enough I was chugging purple drank the whole while. I wonder if I'm a...a....drug seeker?