Are You Vegan, Vegatarian, Normal? Why do you choose that

[DeadCat]

I hae not identified yself s vegetrian or bean. However, if gen a choice I decline the meat. If anyone asks I gie them the starndard answer; "Do you mind if I eat your dog"

The crulety involved in factory farming, the ineficient use of grain, the water pollution, the air pollution, the out-sized demand for trucking nd many other resons has the eonomist understnding that it is not  long-trm viable lifestyle.So, I just onou tBUY meat.

Do I think their is something truyly WRONG about eating animals, no If they were raised with indiness and killed quietly and efficiently an painlessly, I could see myself atin (red meat) again,like is (as is now heading) meat was grown in a test-tube minus a CNS and fear.

I am sure it won't be cheap, but cool.


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[Esoteric Anhydride]

I only eat Vegans.

[Taytoechip]

I'm back for another comment regarding milk.
Mostly this

"we are the only species that drinks another species breast milk and were are the only species who drinks another species breast milk after we are babies."

Not to insult you or anything like that for saying it, as i've actually heard very similar statements a few times before. But i dont think this statement really counts for anything. In a way, yeah its true. Now i may be wrong, but what other species has the knowhow and the means to acquire said milk from another species for consumption? I mean my cat fucking loves milk. But if i set him loose on a farm with 14 milk moomoos Steve is not having any milk for breakfast. Aside from giving the cow the ol Bill Cosby Colada i guess. But what could only be described as "Cow rape" is not only frowned up, but highly illegal.. probably.

We're also the only species to drink vanilla almond milk too ya know. 

edit* Yeah my cats name is steve, dont judge me. 

[Pullmyhair.]

I don't know about Griffin's numbers, but the production of dairy and beef products (factory farmed or not) is one of, if the largest cause of greenhouse gasses and water consumption in the US. I know people who are adamant about eating a lot of meat and dairy products like to deny this fact, and are also likely to not believe that global warming exists and is accelerated by pollution, but it's true. The amount of wage it takes to produce one pound of meat is gargantuan (like 1000's of gallons per pound). I don't have the numbers in front of me, and I don't think factoids about equivalences to cars on the road are probably accurately measurable, but they're not hard to find (though the meat and dairy industries do their best to hide/down play just how much pollution they cause). I'm not going to comment on whether or not eating meat or dairy is healthy, though I think eating meat for every meal is insane. Also, there is no humane way to slaughter animals, sure some ways are faster than others, but the animal will always suffer to some extent (if you disagree, think about how you'd feel going through any of these 'humane' methods of slaughter), if you're okay with that, fair enough (though I do find the whole 'animals exist for our benefit' mentality that a lot of people have to be appalling).

[Zoops]

I thought you said it was appealing! Had to reread that a couple times because it didn't make sense.

True, cow farts and termites are the two biggest sources of greenhouse gases (methane in this case) on the planet. Another HUGE source of methane is termites.

Also true, and most people are completely ignorant of this fact, is that producing meat (whether chicken, fish, or beef) is much more energy-intensive than producing food from agricultural sources.

It's really sad how fucking DUMB the average schmoe walking the streets is these days. Many couldn't tell you where Africa is on a global map, for instance. Or what's the square root of 9. And they laugh about it.

[cpwhyme]

Also true, and most people are completely ignorant of this fact, is that producing meat (whether chicken, fish, or beef) is much more energy-intensive than producing food from agricultural sources.

It's really sad how fucking DUMB the average schmoe walking the streets is these days. Many couldn't tell you where Africa is on a global map, for instance. Or what's the square root of 9. And they laugh about it.

.....and some may say ignorance is bliss. In the case of learning about large scale food production I might sort of agree, or loose my appetite.

There is one saying that always sticks in my head, you are what you eat. So I just try to keep a balanced diet, as much as possible or the budget will allow, and just be thankful or grateful for the food I eat.

[nick]

Omnivore(as my waistline attests). I eat meat and feel guilty about it-much more guilty than I do about doing dope.

[Griffin (OP)]

That is my bad on not posting the sources, I thought I did. I wouldn't say I am pumped free of saving all the animals, I am just hoping people hear what I heard as far as how easily change can be obtained and we can still all eat meat, quite a bit of it, without ruining the planet. Here a lot of the citations for some of the stuff I said, some of my quotes were wrong and were going off memory and my post came off as preachy and for that I am sorry, I was a little benzo high and shocked at the time.

I just was trying to see what the communities views were on this subject and if anyone knew about this or thought it was true or just sensationalist nonsense that didn't represent the truth. If you did know about this kind of stuff before or found out any new info from my posts(now that you have the sources) did it change your eating habits or opinions on anything learning about stuff like that.

Here is the actual presentation by a different person
http://www.ffacoalition.org/featured_media

http://www.ffacoalition.org/
http://www.ffacoalition.org/citations (citations from presentation at school)

https://hbr.org/2011/06/local-food-or-less-meat-data-t.html

https://books.google.com/books?id=oIdv6zh-UXQC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=earth+talk+260+million+acres+forest&source=bl&ots=lZM2dCXruG&sig=-ogrldHj-qWcTSviMMHuHQgahJo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAmoVChMIopmIlvOVxgIVCimICh0KuAQ6#v=onepage&q=earth%20talk%20260%20million%20acres%20forest&f=false (deforestation rain forest destruction etc)

http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/migratory-fish.html#cr  (95% decrease of some fish species in atlantic)
http://www.fishnavy.com/image/20-lbs-of-bycatch-per-pound-of-shrimp/

(info about free range, cage free, Bottom Page)

http://www.ffacoalition.org/drought_got_you_down

https://www.google.com/search?q=eating+vegan+once+a+week+takes+cars+off+the+road&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=652&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVoofUq9fLAhUEQiYKHcO1AWgQ_AUICSgE#imgdii=fz7kbo8ZsTSkfM%3A%3Bfz7kbo8ZsTSkfM%3A%3BKOObr5EmC1UoPM%3A&imgrc=fz7kbo8ZsTSkfM%3A


I think my numbers were way off about the cars off the road. Meatless Monday's is the campaign to eat vegan based food once a week would be the same as taking off 240 million cars off the road according to this site. Sorry I could of swore she said different heres a different stat

http://www.ewg.org/meateatersguide/a-meat-eaters-guide-to-climate-change-health-what-you-eat-matters/reducing-your-footprint/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/the-breathtaking-effects_b_181716.html

•If everyone in the U.S. ate no meat or cheese just 1 day a week for a year, it’s like not driving 91 billion miles - or taking 7.6 million cars off the road. (source: Environmental Working Group) http://www.go-eo.org/GoEO/Eat_Less_Meat.html

The numbers are kind of all over the place, my reason for this post wasn't to go on a tirade that every should be vegan, and accuse you guys of killing baby cows in your spare time. I just wanted to see how many people on here were vegan and if anyone had heard some of that stats that I heard in the presentation because they are shocking. I don't watch docs on that stuff because I can't take the pics and videos of graphic stuff like slaughtering animals but there was none of that in here presentation.

I think eating meat is good, but I think it'd be nice if we ate less, and used way less dairy products to make the planet healthier. 1950 levels of meat consumption were good, and if you increased for population it'd be fine, but everything about the dairy industry, water usage, and insane amounts of pollution from factory farming were shocking to me and I was wondering if more people knew about it, and if so did there diet change because of it.

Sorry for coming off as preachy, its annoying. I had no idea about how big the problem is, and how easy it could be helped with very little change, like eating less meat once a month or less than that. Just the pollution it causes made me question a lot of why, and how that is possible and if you guys think this is just a lot of sensationalist stats that don't represent the truth or if you think it is a problem at all. I definitely don't want everyone to come vegan I just wanted to spread the info I heard because I found it shocking and interesting.

I don't think everyone should become pachouli wearing vegans who pour blood on meat eaters, and go off on how much better being vegan is than everything else because that shit is annoying and is the reason why most people don't like vegan people. Some of them come off holier than thou and always ranting and annoyingly biased and opinionated when talking about it trying to convert everyone and that was not what I was trying to do. I was just truly amazed... amazed enough to put a paragraph in caps! lol plus I was on benzos so that makes me preachy.

Hope you guys learn something about it that you didn't know and don't get annoyed by my post,

[Griffin (OP)]

No worries about the negative comments I was just traveling yesterday, was at the airport from 630 until i got on a plane at 140, i missed my first flight because of security being an hour long because of the Belgium thing and spring break. I still feel the love, and I think a lot of you are right i was on a lot of benzos that day and bit pretty hard, the girl was really pretty she could of sold me diet water.  I just think that some of it is shocking and should be known like the water consumption, and pollution.

I still eat meat and will, and think everyone should, I never drank milk but I am still convinced right now that it is bad for you. It has always been disgusting to me I just envision sucking on a cow tit when looking at the stuff. (still love ice cream, and would happy top my ice cream with more cow tit milk because it is delicious am curious to find if there is a better ice cream that doesn't involve any cow titties)

A lot of my numbers were wrong I was quoting from benzo memory but none the less the numbers and pollution are astronomical and it would be a good thing to lower the amount of pollution and I think less animal cruelty would happen if less meat was being ate. I just hope we eat a bit less meat like around 1950s rates.

Huge corporations can be bad for just about everything, and factory farms seem to be awful in many ways and I wish we had more family farms, I grew up on one and lived near about 10. Over 500,000 family owned pig farms have been shut down mostly because of factory farms. Johnson, Nathaneal. "The Making of the Modern Pig." Harper's Magazine May 2006: n. (cited in Foer 158). I think stuff like that is worse than animal cruelty but I can't stand seeing animals being tortured, but I am always going to eat meat, but I am going to try to not help the factory farms at all and not buy from them. Anyway airports suck.

[Zoops]

 

[puppy]

       I've been thinking about this...I don't eat much meat at all...more fish than anything and then not much...but I do eat cheese...alot...I read somewhere that you actually become addicted to it...but I can't recall where...I think I was looking at a paleo diet website...so not sure how true that maybe...
       I've done work at a processing plant that butchered pigs...I don't find baloney palatable anymore...

[Taytoechip]

You know broccoli be screamin when you're pullin them roots

[puppy]

You know broccoli be screamin when you're pullin them roots

Or one could go the route of Sungazing and Breatharianism...lol...sigh...

[Jega]

I eat food. Why? Because I have that food. I don't have a  lot of choices usually. So...Food good.

[Narkotikon]

Poultry, beef, fish, seafood, crispy bacon, very well-done and browned sausages (that's it for pork).

I eat meat.

[Reezy]

@Pullmyhair. a bullet to the head is pretty humane I would say. Now, I've seen videos, where they do do way worse methods so I'm not saying every animal is shot in the head with no suffering. Its more suffering for humans to be shot in the head because they know whats coming..

Anyways, My dad is an avid hunter, I hunt also with him at times, but not as "into" it as him. All the animals he shoots we eat. Or catch, in the case of fish. Deer meat is actually really healthy because it is very lean/low fat naturally, you have to actually add fat to it, in order to make it more "flavorful". Still tastes good, but its like this, If you used to eating chuck meat with 20-25% fat and you go to a meat with 1-2% fat, you will prefer the fattier one... Unless you are TRYING to eat healthy.... I like tasty foods, but just don't eat a big portion. Really, latley ive been trying to eat only when hungry, and only enough to partly satisfy me for the time being. Look at it more as a fuel.